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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:00:00 -
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celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Pandora Barzane wrote:always find it funny when someone has a legimate suggestion to get more highseccers into low/null they always get hammered by the same nullbears who dont want any change. But at the same time are whining they arent enough highseccers leaving for low/null.
Seriously guys, make up your mind.
except it isn't a legitimate suggestion to get more people in to low / null. it's a suggestion that will let him do as he pleases without consequence. I already enter low sec with little consequences , I clone jump but it's a PITA to do so. I could spam warp on a pod, and get safe. I'm not going to do it with a full set of +5s.
you clone jump, therefore you simply shift the risk from expensive implants to being unable to clone jump for the next 24 hours. to you, losing the ability to clone jump for 24hrs is less of a risk.
there's still a consequence, you're just changing what it is.
what you're asking for is a removal of this consequence.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
Quixotic Hegemony
56
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:01:00 -
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You make a choice to get maxed out skill point gain and can choose to risk it in combat. Personally, I use +4s and the genolution pair of implants in every set of my clones except one right now. And that one is empty because Im saving up for a full virtue implant set =P
Dont undock or plug in what you cant afford or are willing to lose. And if you think you're safe in high sec with your +5 clone, youre terriblely wrong because some people WILL pop you even in high sec.
Id do it too just for your dumbass post, OP. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
Paper Tiger Coalition
782
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:03:00 -
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Olga Ivanovna wrote:I am ALWAYS against ALL changes, and as soon someone suggests something, let's hammer it down!
This is really a helpful post, don't you think? Just like some others already in this thread.
I ALLWAYS blame it on BITTERVETS and EVE COMMUNITY when a stupid change get's hammered down.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Wolfsbrigade
Lost Obsession
313
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:09:00 -
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I just find it funny that one of the primary reasons I choose to fly in lowsec over other parts of space is the variety of having several pirate / expensive implant sets (slaves, halos, talismans, triage...) and the play-styles they afford.
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celebro
Confederate States of Eve
44
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:10:00 -
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Wasn't the intended purpose of clone jumping to move easily around on Eden?
Then why the hell do I need to clone jump to lower my risks? |
baltec1
Bat Country
4920
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:12:00 -
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celebro wrote:Chandaris wrote:Congratulaions OP, you just failed to grasp the entire point of the game: consequences. I'll take the consequences when I see more rewards. edit: Its official now, low seccers care more about the implant market than actually have more players active in low sec, this is not all about me but all players like me who refuse to lose implants.
Unlike you we look at the bigger picture. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
Paper Tiger Coalition
782
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:17:00 -
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celebro wrote:Chandaris wrote:Congratulaions OP, you just failed to grasp the entire point of the game: consequences. I'll take the consequences when I see more rewards. edit: Its official now, low seccers care more about the implant market than actually have more players active in low sec, this is not all about me but all players like me who refuse to lose implants.
So far i mostly see null and empire people responding so YET AGAIN for the third time in this thread it is not because someone disagrees with your idea that they are habitants of low-sec.
MY GOD , lill stubborn are we or trolltastic ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:19:00 -
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As I moved to lowsec about 2 months ago I can hopefully give you some advice.
- As your POD nearly instantly gets into warp, your implants are nearly safe. It can happen, but it's unlikely. (Smartbombers and Fastlockers are a possible threat to your clone.)
- Make use of the tools EVE provides (D-Scan, local, Contact-List) and the tools EVE does not provide (killboards like eve-kill).
- Presume, that the ship you fly into lowsec WILL be destroyed. It might happen, that you make it into highsec again with it. But better excpect a negative outcome and be surprised by a positive one.
- Have friends at your side! Be it a fleet of like 5-10 fellow pilots or join a corp that operates from lowsec.
- Learn to read and learn about the area of your operation. People tend to settle and therefore you will see some names, corps and/or alliances more often than others.
- Incursions might bring activity in the respective constellation to a minimum level.
- Engagements are never fair. Either you are overrun by some entity that is just mightier than you or you overpower someone.
- If you had at least some fun in a fight (even if you lost a ship), give a "gf" (good fight) in local. That tells your opponent, that you are not whining over the loss of your ship and might credit your name as someone whos eager to learn something and is about to come back soon.
- If you like to mine in lowsec, bring friends that protect you! 1 miner needs like 2 or 3 protectors.
- The more expensive your ship is, the likelier it will be hunted, the likelier it will be destroyed. Use T1-Frigs to start with.
(Sidestory: I tackled a BS with a T1-Frig and laied the path to killing it with my fellow pilots.)
- If you plan to kick some buckets down the roads, use a clone without or with cheap implants. Learning is not only a thing thats only done via skills. RL-Learning how to play in lowsec is another part of it.
- It is fun to be there. 
PS: Obvious forum alt. Paranoia ahoy! :) |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1205
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:19:00 -
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celebro wrote:Remove implant loses from pod kills. I hate to clone jump in a low implant clone just to transport some goods or have a peek at low sec to fool around. I am sure there are many players who would like to enter low sec for a few hours, at lower risks, without the inconvenience to change clones. It would also encourage those who don't have a clone too.
I don't mind losing my ship, I always take what I can afford to lose and usually its just an impulse or spur of the moment thing, and not something I plan a whole day to do.
Translation: I don't want to sacrifice anything to gain something.
Besides, why would you not just take whatever clone with whatever implants into low se?. Its not like you're gonna lose a pod in low sec, there are not bubbles there, just spam warp to something when you ship gets to hull and your pod will warp.
I pvp in low sec with +5s in and never lost a pod. |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
793
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:20:00 -
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celebro wrote:Remove implant loses from pod kills. I hate to clone jump in a low implant clone just to transport some goods or have a peek at low sec to fool around. I am sure there are many players who would like to enter low sec for a few hours, at lower risks, without the inconvenience to change clones. It would also encourage those who don't have a clone too.
I don't mind losing my ship, I always take what I can afford to lose and usually its just an impulse or spur of the moment thing, and not something I plan a whole day to do.
If you lose a pod in high- or low-sec, you're either AFK or a complete idiot. I'd let you slide with the "extreme lag" explanation once, but if it became an ongoing thing I'd wonder why you even try playing games online.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Dave Stark
1687
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:21:00 -
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flakeys wrote:celebro wrote:Chandaris wrote:Congratulaions OP, you just failed to grasp the entire point of the game: consequences. I'll take the consequences when I see more rewards. edit: Its official now, low seccers care more about the implant market than actually have more players active in low sec, this is not all about me but all players like me who refuse to lose implants. So far i mostly see null and empire people responding so YET AGAIN for the third time in this thread it is not because someone disagrees with your idea that they are habitants of low-sec. MY GOD , lill stubborn are we or trolltastic ?
i fail to see the connection between the location of the poster, and the fact that this idea is terrible?
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
DarkFidelity
Vengance Inc.
Renegade Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:21:00 -
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It is super hard to get podded in low sec. You have to not be paying attention for it to happen. You spam Warp as your pod gets into structure and you will instawarp to the selected object on ship destruction. Hell, I've only been podded once in NULL and that was because of a Sabre and I go there purely for PVP (And I've been visiting Null for 9 months or so). Oh. I actually don't use a JC either and I run with implants. Stop crying. It isn't that bad. If I can do it in Null, you can definitely do it in Low.
Lowsec isn't that scary. It's full of FW, pirates, and explorers mostly. FW will give you fair fights if that's what you are looking for, pirates run for the hills as soon as PVP pilots start engaging them, and explorers just want to be left alone.
I just recently returned to lowsec and the piracy mentally is disgusting. What happened to the honor? Ransom pilots and kill them anyway. Get in a fight with a PVP pilot and run away. Yuck. Piracy sure has changed since the years I was one. I guess I'm better off staying in Null and picking on TEST & friends and their gigantic bubble camps. vOv |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1205
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:23:00 -
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Pandora Barzane wrote:always find it funny when someone has a legimate suggestion to get more highseccers into low/null they always get hammered by the same nullbears who dont want any change. But at the same time are whining they arent enough highseccers leaving for low/null.
Seriously guys, make up your mind.
This is high sec folks imagination run wild. where are these magical "nullbears" who are trying to get you out of high sec?
All folks like me are saying "don't change the game because you can't figure out how to play, change yourself and move forward". The OP can't even figure out how to keep from getting podded in low sec where there are not warp disruption bubbles but rather than figure it out he wants the GAME to change....
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
Paper Tiger Coalition
782
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:28:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:flakeys wrote:celebro wrote:Chandaris wrote:Congratulaions OP, you just failed to grasp the entire point of the game: consequences. I'll take the consequences when I see more rewards. edit: Its official now, low seccers care more about the implant market than actually have more players active in low sec, this is not all about me but all players like me who refuse to lose implants. So far i mostly see null and empire people responding so YET AGAIN for the third time in this thread it is not because someone disagrees with your idea that they are habitants of low-sec. MY GOD , lill stubborn are we or trolltastic ? i fail to see the connection between the location of the poster, and the fact that this idea is terrible?
Wich is what i'm saying dave but somehow the ones who support this idea think anyone who is an empire boy MUST be a supporter of the idea.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Dave Stark
1687
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:37:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Dave Stark wrote:flakeys wrote:celebro wrote:Chandaris wrote:Congratulaions OP, you just failed to grasp the entire point of the game: consequences. I'll take the consequences when I see more rewards. edit: Its official now, low seccers care more about the implant market than actually have more players active in low sec, this is not all about me but all players like me who refuse to lose implants. So far i mostly see null and empire people responding so YET AGAIN for the third time in this thread it is not because someone disagrees with your idea that they are habitants of low-sec. MY GOD , lill stubborn are we or trolltastic ? i fail to see the connection between the location of the poster, and the fact that this idea is terrible? Wich is what i'm saying dave but somehow the ones who support this idea think anyone who is an empire boy MUST be a supporter of the idea.
oh there isn't a connection? good! i was getting worried that i had to some how live in all 3 sections of space and only log in to update my skill queue in order to be able to post!
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2403
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:38:00 -
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Actually, I have made the argument that making pods indestructible but useless is WORSE than being destructible, and that changing things such that any SHIP loss causes damage/loss to implants, no matter who destroyed it.
No more "podded home", no more jumping out of the clone vat to a rack of 20 waiting new ships (hence no more FPS style "respawn point") .
But everybody gets to enjoy RISK across the board, from high sec to null.
"but you gotta get the pod for intel!" scream the KB addicts.
Well a pod that can only see gates and stations on the overview and is blind to local cannot provide intel.
It's also noob friendly. No implants or cheapies, little cost.
It's big blob unfriendly: lose a ship 40 jumps from home, you gotta go home to get one. Also, the end of "stupid ship loss", no more tossing metal in a grinder with crap tactics and less tolerance for moron FCs.
It's rich carebear and veteran unfriendly. Get lazy in a lvl4/5 and lose a ship, lose some implants that cost hundreds of millions too.
It would also reduce one of the huge issues with getting out of highsec. People are not totally risk averse, they are averse to the inevitability of losing everything.
Of course, nothing will change. KB addicts would rage, carebears who never leave highsec with their crystal sets would rage, goons would rage because that would be a change and establishments (like RL corporatists) hate change, and certainly those whose very ePeen relies on being leet over some arbitrary claim of consequence would rage too.
Rage rage rage while frankly, there is still way more to rage about in RL. A bonfire of neckbeardedness. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
42
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:41:00 -
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OP does speak truth somewhat.
I wouldn't go into low sec without a jump clone.
Truth be told that despite the align and warp to body trick, that there are people who do fly in these fleets that have ships with very fast lock times and do understand how to turn on their point before they start locking and can catch a pod or two.
I think jump clones are the best solution but in order for new players to get involved they should reduce the standings requirement of installing a jump clone somewhere.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
795
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:46:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I wouldn't go into low sec without a jump clone.
This is true. I often jump into my clone fitted with a full Slave set before going into low-sec.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
baltec1
Bat Country
4921
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Posted - 2013.01.25 16:47:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:OP does speak truth somewhat.
I wouldn't go into low sec without a jump clone.
Truth be told that despite the align and warp to body trick, that there are people who do fly in these fleets that have ships with very fast lock times and do understand how to turn on their point before they start locking and can catch a pod or two.
I think jump clones are the best solution but in order for new players to get involved they should reduce the standings requirement of installing a jump clone somewhere.
Nothing locks as fast as a pod can warp. |
Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:06:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:You're a bad eve player, suggesting CCP do his.
Learn to make more isk with les effort, or use a clone with cheaper implants.
You sound like a bitter vet with too many alts. |
Ildryn
The Inf1dels
75
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:10:00 -
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Diamond Bull wrote:Dear CCP,
The people in Low actually don't want more people in Low unless those people are hindered by the game in ways that makes them easily exploitable. The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards. They do not actually want more people to fight. They want more people to kill. In order to improve the population of Low you must get rid of these people who are interested in only easy high profit/low risk kills. I have no idea how to do this. Maybe by increasing the risk that Pirates must experience in order to set a trap on a gate or a station?
Nah, that wouldn't work.
Moral of the story? Low is only broken because of the asshats that have populated it.
Toodles!
You are a ******* moron.
I will bet my wallet that without killboards.
People still get killed and podded.
Post with your main coward. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1179
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:18:00 -
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No offence, but anyone who knows what they're doing in low doesn't lose pods. It is very very easy indeed to get your pod out after you ship is destroyed. So long as your spamming the warp button before your ship explodes, your warp will warp from the wreckage practically instantaneously. Unless you a experience a rather large lag spike, it is impossible for anything to target you before you are gone.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Thorrahrafn
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:19:00 -
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Want more people in low/null? Make security status a one-way street. Start at 5.0 and only go down from there. Eliminate the ability to grind sec status back up. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
394
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:20:00 -
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The solution, nerf highsec isk fountain falls . Remove jump clones from the game.
Problem solved.
If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1250
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:28:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:OP does speak truth somewhat.
I wouldn't go into low sec without a jump clone.
Truth be told that despite the align and warp to body trick, that there are people who do fly in these fleets that have ships with very fast lock times and do understand how to turn on their point before they start locking and can catch a pod or two.
I think jump clones are the best solution but in order for new players to get involved they should reduce the standings requirement of installing a jump clone somewhere.
There is, in fact, a one second delay between the lock completing and the module activating, thanks to the way EVE pings the servers. I know this because I have let more than one ship escape by doing exactly what you are suggesting. |
Dave Stark
1692
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:35:00 -
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celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:don't want to risk your implants? then you don't get the reward of dicking about in low sec.
simple. Wow like there's so much rewards in low sec!!
if there are no rewards in low sec, why are you going there? as such, why are you worried about losing your pod?
you make no sense.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:53:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:don't want to risk your implants? then you don't get the reward of dicking about in low sec.
simple. Wow like there's so much rewards in low sec!! if there are no rewards in low sec, why are you going there? as such, why are you worried about losing your pod? you make no sense.
because the reason of going to lowsec is only isk. wow youre so hardcore, you want a bananasticker?
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Dave Stark
1692
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Posted - 2013.01.25 18:56:00 -
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Pandora Barzane wrote:Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:don't want to risk your implants? then you don't get the reward of dicking about in low sec.
simple. Wow like there's so much rewards in low sec!! if there are no rewards in low sec, why are you going there? as such, why are you worried about losing your pod? you make no sense. because the reason of going to lowsec is only isk. wow youre so hardcore, you want a bananasticker?
if the only reason to go to low sec is for isk, why is he worried about losing implants, he will have the isk to replace them?
i honestly don't understand what he is talking about.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Solstice Project
T E R R O R I S T S
2656
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:36:00 -
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*lol*
This thread is so full of ignorance, it's only worth posting in it *once*.
You might not be the usual troll and seriously believe your suggestion makes sense ...
... and it does in it's own way, but ignores lots of details ...
... but it would mean that you're not losing something that gets destroyed,
when you *should* lose it when it gets destroyed, because it makes no natural sense that you shouldn't.
Something that gets destroyed is *gone*.
Your pod dies, thus your implants go poof.
Your idea of removing loss is common, but flawed.
Those who want to use expensive implants, those won't go to lowsec either way.
Besides, there's something more to this.
If they can afford expensive implants, they at least - at one time - had enough money to buy them.
That also means that they have ways to make that amount *again* !
Now, if you're talking about those people who ...
... can't/don't want to afford to replace their loss ...
... then why would they *want* to dive into lowsec in the first place ?
They could lose their ships, even before they could lose their implants.
Reducing loss does not help in any way or form,
because as long as there's the general danger of loss ...
(or lack of sufficient protection projecting a sense of security)
... these people will avoid said loss.
Why do you think anything would change at all ?
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
celebro
Confederate States of Eve
48
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Pandora Barzane wrote:Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:Dave Stark wrote:don't want to risk your implants? then you don't get the reward of dicking about in low sec.
simple. Wow like there's so much rewards in low sec!! if there are no rewards in low sec, why are you going there? as such, why are you worried about losing your pod? you make no sense. because the reason of going to lowsec is only isk. wow youre so hardcore, you want a bananasticker? if the only reason to go to low sec is for isk, why is he worried about losing implants, he will have the isk to replace them? i honestly don't understand what he is talking about.
The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.
EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump. |
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