You didn't point out the NOOB farming belt rats getting hotdropped.

The noob who was obviously in null, and who was obviously alone.

The noob.


WTF does a new player need to be able to rat in null belts alone for?

By all means, if you have the balls and the head to do it, do so. Don't come to the forum crying that you flew into someone elses space, started picking off someone elses potential income, and then got hotdropped by the peopel that live there.


What is with all the horrible gamers today?
When I was growing up games were kind of tough, they didn't have saves, and usually when you died you started back at the beginning. When I wasn't playing video games I was outside playing sports, because I was a typical boy that enjoyed competition. When I played sports, we kept score. Someone won, and someone lost.

It's like I'm living in a culture now that doesn't want to keep score, and doesn't any difficulty. Everyting nice and neat on a plate, and handed to me.

It's like I'm playing a game with a bunch of guys that grew up playing dollies, and who's parents put them in little league teams that didn't keep score and gave every kid a trophy. It's firgging sad.

I love you guys.

The fact that so many of you can read, and not understand a word of what you read, is amazing to me.
How often do you forget to put pants on before you leave the house?

You didn't even understand the OP wasn't asking for "more" options, they want gate camps and hotdrops removed.
And no one is saying no to more options, they're saying the OP is a tool.

Apparently you are too.

Edit: Why don't you tell us all how awful it is for you to get hotdropped in high sec, Mr. NPC corp dude.

That doesnt change the fact that pvp isnt pvp when someone can decloak and scram you in 2 secs or less, 5 secs after entering local, then take his time & bring 30 buds, and then disappear again. Thats not pvp. Its player vs broken unbeatable mechanics.

1. Hotdrops are easy to avoid, there's a huge time difference between cyno up to things jumping in. IF u dont like getting hotdropped, run from cynos.

2. Gate camps are gate camps. Generally slow, kinda dumb people trying to catch a straggler on a gate. Use a scout (that can be a 1 day alt in a velator!)

3. That brutix fit is terrible, you should play WoW.

So what you're saying is that you're not a player?

Simply put thats just not fun.

I guess not, because I don't call 30vs1 or docking up all the time "playing".

Then don't play.

It's no loss, as the rest of us will carry on playing and enjoying the game.

I'm happy you enjoy it. I'll continue to get a good laugh at what hot droppers call pvp. Most of the posters in this thread have gotten their feelings hurt when I claimed that what they do has no relation to skill whatsoever, and they feel they need to come here and throw insults and buff their peen. It might require some patience, but certainly not skill. Sorry to burst all yer bubbles, but it's true. Feel free to deny it, and I'll laugh more.

The loss that caused this thread

yeah nerf cynos that'll spite those wormhole dwellers

Turns out nothing will save that fit

From least bad to worst:

Hot drops: they're a legitimate combat tactic that is overused. They've replaced the roam for a lot of people: send a small group of scouts out looking for things to drop on and only jump into the fights they can win. Of course, this is somewhat balanced by their opponents potentially having a larger hotdrop on standby...but still, it's a step down from flying a fleet through space.

It's as legit as saying that a Falcon counter consists of 2 other Falcons.

I asked CCP Zulupark recenly about this crappy game mechanics and his reply was basically:
- well, does it really happen all that often?

LOL

'Overused' and 'rare' - WTF? It's either balanced or not. No middle-ground here.

So... in summation.

The OP was in NULLSEC, which is designated as a PvP area in EVE online. Meaning, there is no repercussions for locking, scramming, shooting, killing or podding. There is no CONCORD for protection, no loss of security status for any actions.

This OP was flying a ship that would normally be described as PvE fit, and performing PvE actions. Meaning, that she was engaging targets generated by the game, with limited AI, predictable actions and well defined offensive and defensive capabilities.

The OP was engaged in PvP by other players using tools that are provided by the game for use in NULLSEC/LOWSEC space only. For the purposes of PvP. The OP was unable to counter this PvP encounter.

So, the OP blames the mechanics of the game instead of looking at her actions that precipitated the event.

I'd suggest that force projection in general is too easy in Eve.

One idea I put out in another thread was the idea of making cynos point-to-point connections: rather than lighting a cyno and everyone in the fleet jumping to it, you'd have two cynos lit and fleet members would have to be on-grid with one to arrive at the other. That wouldn't prevent a staged hotdrop, but it would mean that a botched drop could result in the cyno anchors being lost and the fleet stranded under fire. Would that be risky enough for you?

Speak for yourself.

Unlike folks who whinge or won't adapt, I've turned camps and the (singular) drop on their heads - I use them as playground toys to increase my fun.

The loss that caused this thread

yeah nerf cynos that'll spite those wormhole dwellers

Just want to ask you one thing. You do know what PvP stands for, don't you?

This is not "war" where anything goes, its a game with intended and unintended mechanics.

dat fit. maybe the op should learn to fit a ship before trying pvp.

Tbh, current situation is so bad that I'd be glad to see CCP start doing just *anything* in this regard. What I suspect is they are not even aware of the problem. Let's admit it: hot-dropping crap is mostly a problem for small-scale PvP and it's not that deadly even if your gang is of 20 (that said, it's still OP as heck). If blobbing really hard is what your PvP is all about (check out CCP's last 'event' where their fleet was of like 70) then some surely might even not understand how stupid the whole mechanics is. What is ironic though, they still needed to show up in a cyno-jammed system (incrusion) to make sure they aren't just ganked like the rest of us. Pathetic. What CCP should have done instead is some small-scale gangs (1-8 or 10 people at most) roaming around the universe under regular game rules.

Well thanks to the unfair pvp, unbalanced pvp and all that. People lose ships. Which is kinda the most important element in eve. Without it the markets will crash.

How do they contribute to epic space battles, what this game should be about?

Hot dropping hot droppers is how the most epic space battles happen. Its how you escalate fights, and fights escalating with no stopping point in sight are absolutely nuts, and only one word describes them adequately - epic.

Far too many titans. Everywhere you go you are in range of some gang just chilling on a titan waiting. Back in the day if a cyno went up, it meant mostly capitals would come in. Which you could in a way get away from due to long lock times. Now if a cyno goes up, you ARE getting bridge on.

With what ships? Anything and everything.