everyone is told to dock up for safety. Can't risk your precious kill boards!

Imo jumpgates should be done away with entirely except for possibly jumping from region to region.

If you're docking up because of killboards I'd say you're in a terrible, terrible organization. I mean, my corp is as ****** as they come but at least our strategy is along the lines of "**** it, might as well". If my CEO started worrying about our killboards I'd go over to his house, tell him to **** off, and drink all his whiskey.

And whining about gatecamps is so passe. Get some friends and HTFU.

If you are crying this much over gatecamps...i cant image the tsunami of tears that will pour from you when you need to MWD from system to system...or better yet, have the miserable experience of capdrain warp after capdrain warp for 3 hours to get to a next door system.

Clearly you are an idiot if you didn't think there would have to be some new mechanic to allow jumping from systemn to system. Think before you speak.

The loss that caused this thread

yeah nerf cynos that'll spite those wormhole dwellers

Because some other system of intersystem travel wont be camped in any way eventually too right? What is your proposal then? Cynoless jump drives? Random spawn points within lets say 13km of existing gates with 30 seconds of cloaked invulnerability? Dust Shrouds with +1 to teleport? How about we all just petetion GMs whenever we want to be moved from system to system? Wanting to remove gates because of gate camping is like removing your **** because youre afraid of STDs.

If you're docking up because of killboards I'd say you're in a terrible, terrible organization. I mean, my corp is as ****** as they come but at least our strategy is along the lines of "**** it, might as well". If my CEO started worrying about our killboards I'd go over to his house, tell him to **** off, and drink all his whiskey.

And whining about gatecamps is so passe. Get some friends and HTFU.

This

In all the history of mankind and warfare, there have been very few occurrences of "fair" PVP. The Huns, the Mongols, the *****, the Allies, the U.S. Cavalry. The all won battles through the use of unfair tactics. Also when Seal Team 6 took out Bin Laden they did a hot drop that was incredibly unfair.

So don't expect anything different in imagination-land.

lol... thank you for your awesome contribution. Clearly all intermediate corps should just disband, because there is a fair and viable counter to hot dropping that they have somehow missed.

So... We should just introduce a new ship. A Death-Star that was designed with no exploitable vulnerabilities (stupid vader!) and can warp around the galaxy annihilating planets and fleets at will. It's just another mechanic like hot dropping, and we shouldnt limit how people play, right?

You have to draw the line somewhere, and hot dropping is just too easy. At least make the cyno take longer to set up, and limit the number of ships that can come through. They could still "chain-cyno" and get just as many people there, it would just take longer, not *blink* +40 ships pew pew *blink* empty space + debris.

I am kind of with the OP on this one. I am a 10 year vet of EVE. Multiple accounts trained and sold throughout that time and the vast majority of it was fun. Currently I have been on a hiatus from EVE for reasons anchored firmly in reality...unfortunately...but right now I really don't know for sure if I even want to come back to EVE. People talk about how hardcore EVE is with it's PVP but all I have seen for years now is gatecamps, station games and hotdrops. Even WH space PVP got dull because all anybody did was play games on the WH's and crash them thinking they are the "l33t roxxxxor PEE VEE PEEers" because they trap a single ship on one side of a WH and then log off because they are afraid to lose a ship.

It just isn't all that fun anymore. Nullsec is clearly not what it was intended to be with half the galaxy blue to each other and both sides too afraid to actually do anything to the other for fear of losing too much. The Sov system is nothing short of a massive pain in the ass. Jump bridges were a HUGE mistake right from the get go and should be removed entirely from the game to spur more PVP and better economy in nullsec...

I could go on...but I won't. Suffice it to say that EVE has changed. Maybe for the better, maybe not...either way...it isn't for everybody and slowly, very slowly becoming less and less "my game".

Gate camps is the best way to get fights imo.

If you honestly think that hot dropping is on par with a Death Star style weapon then you're really... honestly either the most unlucky low/null dweller alive or you can't counter them as many can. By the way you can just say im a hotdropper right now so i can laugh because i've never used a titan bridge in game

So... We should just introduce a new ship. A Death-Star that was designed with no exploitable vulnerabilities (stupid vader!) and can warp around the galaxy annihilating planets and fleets at will.

How does one lone player (no matter how big a corp hes in) counter 30+ stealth bombers hot dropping on him? You might get lucky now and then but in reality a good hot dropper can always choose his fights, and unless hes targetting the same area over and over nobody is going to have time to react or set a trap capable of exacting revenge. If your hot drops ever fail its simply a matter of you choosing your targets very very poorly.

Seems to me, people have a hard time telling the difference between jousting and combat.

Combat is ugly, brutal, and quick. Every possible dirty trick is used ruthlessly to get the upper hand. Never give a sucker an even break, shoot 'em in the back if you can, and then burn the corpse.

Jousting, on the other hand, involves honor, rules, parity of force and (maybe) skill, etc. etc.


Whenever I see someone whinging about 'lame PvP' or 'bad PvP' or otherwise kvetching about getting blown out of space in ways that are inconvenient, I'm pretty sure I've found another person whom has confused the two.

Bubble camps and gate camps are valid, useful, effective tools for control - and combat. Don't like dying in a gate camp? Bring friends. Or 'up' your skills. Or both. Want to joust? Join Red v. Blue. But know that if you come here to whinge, folks as are interested in combat are going to know that you're their legitimate prey.

Well, only 99.9% invulnerable. theres always a small chance that a 1 man fighter might skim across a trench and shoot a torpedo down a hole and blow it all up. I know what youre thinking...whoa...that sounds like a major design flaw. But it was really just an aesthetic choice by the architect, and its only 2 meters across..which in reality is no bigger than a whomprat, so itll probably be ok.

Eh whatever... The gatecamping was really a side issue, I should have stopped at hot dropping for this topic. In any case my arguement about gatecamping isn't so much about fairness as it is about lameness and boredom.

On the other hand if you think hot dropping doesn't need to be tweaked then eh, bite me. It's no different than the death star example I gave, just to a different extreme, and i think the line needs to be drawn a bit farther back. If this was a FPS game I swear I'd have aim botters here defending their use of hacks. It's available, thus its a viable & valid tactic.

How does one lone player (no matter how big a corp hes in) counter 30+ stealth bombers hot dropping on him? You might get lucky now and then but in reality a good hot dropper can always choose his fights, and unless hes targetting the same area over and over nobody is going to have time to react or set a trap capable of exacting revenge. If your hot drops ever fail its simply a matter of you choosing your targets very very poorly.