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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:33:00 -
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Evil Celeste wrote:No, triage just carrier just takes another cycle if reps are needed.
If they are not, its pretty much over - won or lost - and difference between 600 dps of sentrys and 1000 dps of fighters means absolutely nothing. Especially in fight, where there is need for triage carrier reps - 10k and up damage tanked.
so sentrys can now follow the bs you started killing who warps off. tahts awesom
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
19
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:36:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:its an isk value assement, not man power.
there is no advantage to the carrier over the same isk value of guardians. instead of pushing for carriers in fleet, peopel will push for guardians. why risk something taht will get insta popped by a sc when you can wait 5 mins and get a few extra guardians
If Isk was a valid argument for balancing, one battleship would be better than eight cruisers. One cruiser would be better than 10 friagates. One Estamel-fit drake would own your Nyx.
In Eve, like most MMOs, the money->power scale is EXPONENTIAL, not linear. One item A giving 110% of item B's efficiency will cost three times as much.
And, again, arguing about isks and not taking any other factor like manpower into account will get you nowhere.
If you don't like it, too bad, go play something where it isn't the case. |
Evil Celeste
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:45:00 -
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Smoking Blunts wrote:so sentrys can now follow the bs you started killing who warps off. tahts awesom
So now you are saying, that you are using fighters on random battleships that are not tackled and wasting 1k dps that could be used on primary?
GJ!
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
16
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:48:00 -
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Evil Celeste wrote:Smoking Blunts wrote:so sentrys can now follow the bs you started killing who warps off. tahts awesom So now you are saying, that you are using fighters on random battleships that are not tackled and wasting 1k dps that could be used on primary? GJ!
In a hotdrop scenario it may not matter, since your own side has overwhelming firepower anyway. The argument is valid IMO. |
Evil Celeste
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:54:00 -
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Shooting ship that is not pointed and spreading dps is always fail.
And in scenario, when your side has overwhelming firepower (=blobbing), difference between sentries and fighters is minimal. Not that if you are blobbing, you cant bring some target painters and use fighters with full efficiency. |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
92
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:56:00 -
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Confirming that massive capital hotdrop blobs aren't competent enough to bring tackle.
:elitepvp: |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:56:00 -
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So a ship class which major fleet role is support gets reduced in its role as offence... Sounds good to me.
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Evil Celeste
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:58:00 -
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Carriers role is LOGISTICS - you know, REMOTE REPAIR.
Not dps. |
Cozmik R5
Dock 94
36
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:01:00 -
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"Waaaaahhh, cap nerf!"
QQ more plz. And learn to fly ships that require actual work.
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
77
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:35:00 -
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Evil Celeste wrote:Carriers role is LOGISTICS - you know, REMOTE REPAIR.
Not dps.
so there changing teh thannys bonses away from damage then? if they swap it to rep amount or rep range away from fighters, you know the OFFENSIVE thing, you would have a point
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Evil Celeste
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:49:00 -
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Useless bonus? Maybe, but perfectly in line with its racial supercarrier bonus. And I dont know many people who were complaining about nyx damage bonus.
Ah, its satysfying to harvest all these carrier carebear tears, please continue. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:55:00 -
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Thank you for the feedback! Please have a look at this post by CCP Tallest about the changes to fighters.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator
@ccp_spitfire |
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Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
78
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:58:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Thank you for the feedback! Please have a look at this post by CCP Tallest about the changes to fighters.
i have, can you give my moros its drones back also, removing drones from dreads is short sighted to say the least
CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Just Another Toon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:02:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Thank you for the feedback! Please have a look at this post by CCP Tallest about the changes to fighters.
unbelievable! |
Evil Celeste
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:18:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Thank you for the feedback! Please have a look at this post by CCP Tallest about the changes to fighters.
That i call "Capital carebears strike back" lol.
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Barry Buckmaster
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:24:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Thank you for the feedback! Please have a look at this post by CCP Tallest about the changes to fighters.
and there we go. /end thread.
gotta say that CCP Tallest appears to be pretty damn awesome
+ rep to the CCP team
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adopt
We Need A Home
44
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:40:00 -
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And this is the reason I love CCP, they listen to their customers (mostly  )
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
216
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:47:00 -
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Evil Celeste wrote:Carriers role is LOGISTICS - you know, REMOTE REPAIR.
Not dps.
Yeah, because when the USS Nimitz launches F-22s they're doing it to repair stuff. |
Generals4
119
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:49:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Evil Celeste wrote:Carriers role is LOGISTICS - you know, REMOTE REPAIR.
Not dps. Yeah, because when the USS Nimitz launches F-18s they're doing it to repair stuff.
Well duh, next thing you're going to tell me guns aren't used to repair stuff. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:06:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Evil Celeste wrote:Carriers role is LOGISTICS - you know, REMOTE REPAIR.
Not dps. Yeah, because when the USS Nimitz launches F-18s they're flying off to repair stuff. Seriously, you're a tard.
Confirming an imaginary spaceship in an online game is analogous to real-life naval ship.
That said, carriers are multi-purpose - either logistics or combat ships depending on fit. |
Evil Celeste
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:11:00 -
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Poor guy cant see the difference between reality and internet spaceships. 
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Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:16:00 -
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Ciel Dunois wrote:Fighters will have their tracking nerf more than 3 times with the increase of resolution from 125 to 400.
Now by itself is not a problem, but you gotta remember that fighters orbit their target at 1km, meaning you're going to need high tracking with fighters don't.
That means that fighters will no longer be able to hit STATIONARY BATTLESHIPS.
Heavies have the same resolution (400). Tho, I don't know if fighter's tracking is lower than heavies? (cba to check).
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
216
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:18:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:
Confirming an imaginary spaceship in an online game is analogous to real-life naval ship.
That said, carriers are multi-purpose - either logistics or combat ships depending on fit.
The roles of space ships in Eve are based on real naval ship roles. Not precisely, of course, but close enough that you're not bastardizing the english language when you call them by their class. An interdictor is made to interdict, not mine veldspar. A destroyer is meant to pop frigates, not haul freight. A carrier's role is precisely what it sounds like. It is not meant to be a repair ship, it is meant to be a long distance gank ship. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
452
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:22:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Heavies have the same resolution (400). Tho, I don't know if fighter's tracking is lower than heavies? (cba to check). No and yes. Heavies have current resolution (125) and track more than 3+ù better.
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:38:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
Confirming an imaginary spaceship in an online game is analogous to real-life naval ship.
That said, carriers are multi-purpose - either logistics or combat ships depending on fit.
The roles of space ships in Eve are based on real naval ship roles. Not precisely, of course, but close enough that you're not bastardizing the english language when you call them by their class. An interdictor is made to interdict, not mine veldspar. A destroyer is meant to pop frigates, not haul freight. A carrier's role is precisely what it sounds like. It is not meant to be a repair ship, it is meant to be a long distance gank ship.
Sorry, but APPARENTLY it's meant to be a repair ship ALSO -
- it has bonuses for the repair role
- it has a specific unique module for the repair role
- it has specific unique skills for the repair role
- and it has specific operation mode for the repair role
And after all of the above, you come and claim that it's not meant for a repair role and all of the above is accidental? Riiiiiight!
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
14
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:39:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Evil Celeste wrote:Carriers role is LOGISTICS - you know, REMOTE REPAIR.
Not dps. Yeah, because when the USS Nimitz launches F-18s they're flying off to repair stuff. Seriously, you're a tard.
this made me chuckle 
and it sums up pretty much how i feel about carriers. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
14
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:42:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
Confirming an imaginary spaceship in an online game is analogous to real-life naval ship.
That said, carriers are multi-purpose - either logistics or combat ships depending on fit.
The roles of space ships in Eve are based on real naval ship roles. Not precisely, of course, but close enough that you're not bastardizing the english language when you call them by their class. An interdictor is made to interdict, not mine veldspar. A destroyer is meant to pop frigates, not haul freight. A carrier's role is precisely what it sounds like. It is not meant to be a repair ship, it is meant to be a long distance gank ship. Sorry, but APPARENTLY it's meant to be a repair ship ALSO -
- it has bonuses for the repair role
- it has a specific unique module for the repair role
- it has specific unique skills for the repair role
- and it has specific operation mode for the repair role
And after all of the above, you come and claim that it's not meant for a repair role and all of the above is accidental? Riiiiiight!
so explain what fighters are for then? what do they do better than fighter bombers if the nerf actually happened?
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
217
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:52:00 -
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Karim alRashid wrote:Sorry, but APPARENTLY it's meant to be a repair ship ALSO -
- it has bonuses for the repair role
- it has a specific unique module for the repair role
- it has specific unique skills for the repair role
- and it has specific operation mode for the repair role
And after all of the above, you come and claim that it's not meant for a repair role and all of the above is accidental? Riiiiiight!
I "claim" nothing of the sort, so don't put words in my mouth. Clearly the bonuses are intentional. They are intentionally stupid, and have nothing to do with the role of the class. And they lead stupid people to make stupid statements like "the role of carriers is supposed to be logistics ships." No, that is the role of a logistics ship. If there is a need for a capital logistics ship, then CCP should make a proper ship instead of tacking it onto a ship that makes no sense in having it. |
Alxea
U-208
Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
34
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:54:00 -
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So the bring more ewar to the table to allow fighters to be effective agenst subcaps is a pretty hard concept to grasp it seems. Herp Derp... |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.10.11 13:13:00 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
Confirming an imaginary spaceship in an online game is analogous to real-life naval ship.
That said, carriers are multi-purpose - either logistics or combat ships depending on fit.
The roles of space ships in Eve are based on real naval ship roles. Not precisely, of course, but close enough that you're not bastardizing the english language when you call them by their class. An interdictor is made to interdict, not mine veldspar. A destroyer is meant to pop frigates, not haul freight. A carrier's role is precisely what it sounds like. It is not meant to be a repair ship, it is meant to be a long distance gank ship. Sorry, but APPARENTLY it's meant to be a repair ship ALSO -
- it has bonuses for the repair role
- it has a specific unique module for the repair role
- it has specific unique skills for the repair role
- and it has specific operation mode for the repair role
And after all of the above, you come and claim that it's not meant for a repair role and all of the above is accidental? Riiiiiight! so explain what fighters are for then? what do they do better than fighter bombers if the nerf actually happened?
Do you understand that your question is inconsequential ?
After I state reasons that carriers are meant to be also repair ships, you ask about fighters? Really? |
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