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PsyDrakoon Between Stars Inc. 4	Posted - 2013.03.05 18:25:00 - [91] - Quote Kodama Ikari wrote: Mina Sebiestar wrote: Marauders are under performing in PVE(missions and everything else pve) and PVP to pirate counterparts and that is ok? By all accounts (including CCP) the answer is yes, with the machariel scheduled to get some very slight nerfs. I dont get it, why is it ok that a Marauder is underperforming Pirate BS in PvE? Whats the reason then for spend time skilling Marauder if they are anyway loosing against Pirate BS? maybe im just stupid, but i tought its so Example Minmatar: Typhoon, Tempest, Maelstrom < Fleet Tempest, Typhoon < Machariel < Vargur so should it be i tought. whats the reason to skill Tech 2 Ships if they are loosing agains Tech 1 Ship even if they are Faction? Is Loki or Tengu underperforming Faction Cruiser or the other T2 Cruiser? i dont think so.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 215	Posted - 2013.03.05 19:02:00 - [92] - Quote Ship rebalancing is on its way up the chain and I'm sure after command ships they'll rebalance marauders. Not today spaghetti.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Atrocitas 3212	Posted - 2013.03.05 19:15:00 - [93] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: Ship rebalancing is on its way up the chain and I'm sure after command ships they'll rebalance marauders. Maybe I should train Marauders 5 on Liang... >:-) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Atrocitas 3212	Posted - 2013.03.05 19:16:00 - [94] - Quote PsyDrakoon wrote: I dont get it, why is it ok that a Marauder is underperforming Pirate BS in PvE? Whats the reason then for spend time skilling Marauder if they are anyway loosing against Pirate BS? maybe im just stupid, but i tought its so Example Minmatar: Typhoon, Tempest, Maelstrom < Fleet Tempest, Typhoon < Machariel < Vargur so should it be i tought. whats the reason to skill Tech 2 Ships if they are loosing agains Tech 1 Ship even if they are Faction? Is Loki or Tengu underperforming Faction Cruiser or the other T2 Cruiser? i dont think so. I think that claiming the Vargur underperforms agains the Mach is narrow sighted. There are many types of PVE content that the Vargur is much better suited to than the Mach. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Kodama Ikari Concordiat Spaceship Samurai 17	Posted - 2013.03.05 19:22:00 - [95] - Quote PsyDrakoon wrote: I dont get it, why is it ok that a Marauder is underperforming Pirate BS in PvE? Whats the reason then for spend time skilling Marauder if they are anyway loosing against Pirate BS? I was first going to say that the skill differences are negligible, since the getting the lvl 5 battleship skill is very important for the faction BS as well, but pirate BS are so easy on fittings, if you just train for pirate BS you may not train AWU 5 or EGU 5. Regardless, t2 ships require lvl 5 support skills and lvl 5 ship skill. Faction/Pirate ships never require 5's. That's just how it is. That said, the guy in the pirate cruiser/bs is still missing out if he doesn't have good skills. Quote: so should it be i tought. whats the reason to skill Tech 2 Ships if they are loosing agains Tech 1 Ship even if they are Faction? No one ever gave up training minmatar cruiser 5 because they could fly the cynabal without it. It doesn't matter that a pirate ship beats a t2 ship, it doesn't make the t2 ship not useful. This maybe hard to see from a max-pimp max-performance Its-never-gonna-explode-anyway PVE environment. It doesn't really matter if pirate BS are better 9 out of 10 times than the marauders, because the pirate BS are practically a fixed supply, with the price skyrocketing if the current meta game favors them. The lower sp threshold and superior performance come at a price. Specifically, 450m extra. Quote: Is Loki or Tengu underperforming Faction Cruiser or the other T2 Cruiser? i dont think so. You're saying that the marauders should be better than pirate BS because they're t2, and justyfing it with "t3 perform better than pirate and t2" This is a nonsense comparison and you know it.
FT Diomedes The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 137	Posted - 2013.03.05 20:36:00 - [96] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Sexy Cakes wrote: Ship rebalancing is on its way up the chain and I'm sure after command ships they'll rebalance marauders. Maybe I should train Marauders 5 on Liang... >:-) -Liang With Marauders V and all racial BS to V on three accounts, I've been waiting a while for a buff to Marauders.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Atrocitas 3212	Posted - 2013.03.05 20:54:00 - [97] - Quote I don't mind. I don't have a whole hell of a lot left to train on subcaps. Besides, Marauders >> Faction BS in WHs. At least, for lower class ones, I don't know much about high class wormholes. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
FT Diomedes The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 137	Posted - 2013.03.05 23:28:00 - [98] - Quote I wouldn't mind a buff, but they still have their uses. The blaster Kronos is awesome in a Gurista Forsaken Hub - the lower ammo consumption is very nice when using Void. The bonused web is nice too for keeping them in range. The Paladin is unmatched in Drone ratting.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Atrocitas 3212	Posted - 2013.03.05 23:58:00 - [99] - Quote I really like Marauders for wormhole work. Sure, it's a shiny but it's got the utility highs without sacrificing DPS. -Liang Ed: They're also pretty baller in pirate nullsec missions and level 5s. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren

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