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        |  KingMazz ONE
 Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 20:44:00 -
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 is it true that ice will be removed from hi sec ? and moved to null and low sec .
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        |  Jooce McNasty
 Republic Military School
 Minmatar Republic
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:05:00 -
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 If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get.
 
 It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.
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        |  CCP Zymurgist
 C C P
 C C P Alliance
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:14:00 -
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 In CCP Greyscale's blog he discussed moving Ice to null sec as part of the 0.0 Industry revamp. It hasn't been decided yet if this will happen or not. I suggest checking out the archived Features and Ideas forum for some more info on what was discussed.
 Zymurgist
 Community Representative
 CCP NA, EVE Online
 Contact Us at http://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx
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        |  Andre Jean Sarpantis
 University of Caille
 Gallente Federation
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:26:00 -
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 Jooce McNasty wrote:If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get. 
 It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.
 
 
 You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt.
 
 Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead.
 
 If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence.
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        |  Rhinanna
 Brutor Tribe
 Minmatar Republic
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:31:00 -
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 Anyone leaving because the price of ANY one commodity gets changed, is simply ********.
 
 Oh noes, so it costs twice as much to run a POS or jump capital ships.... seriously.....
 
 Either its an alt industry char and you have other options to make ISK or you are a heavy industry guy and have other options to make ISK.
 
 
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        |  mkint
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:31:00 -
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 Well, removing ice from highsec would mean more income for the RMTers that control 0.0, the CSM, and possibly certain devs, so yeah, sooner or later it probably will be. However, one of the devs said that they were taking it off the table for now. It'll probably stay off the table until RMT income starts suffering.
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        |  Mr Kidd
 Center for Advanced Studies
 Gallente Federation
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:34:00 -
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 The essence of the ice removal hypothesis is that in order to make null more attractive to the masses, CCP is willing to scorch the rest of New Eden with game breaking improvements in favor of null. This is otherwise known commonly as "the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer" or "stealing from Peter to pay Paul". The logic of it all eludes me. It is only when I ponder whether CCP is benefiting financially from null RMT operations does it make sense.
 We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
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        |  Baralosus
 Crimson Empire.
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:34:00 -
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 Why not reduce the number of ice belts in hi sec systems and slightly increase number of ice belts in null sec? At least there will still be hi sec ice to be mined, only it'll be more scarce. Would be a better alternative to getting rid of ice in hi sec completely. Prices will go up but not nearly as much as the alternative.
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        |  Jooce McNasty
 Republic Military School
 Minmatar Republic
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:37:00 -
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 Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:Jooce McNasty wrote:If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get. 
 It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.
 You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt. Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead. If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence. 
 
 I realize this will happen, EVE needs a big shake up this coupled with the super nerf up-comming might keep things interesting for awhile, and yes I do use I products on some of my chars.
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        |  Zendoren
 Aktaeon Industries
 The Black Armada
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:54:00 -
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 My vote is to take away Belt Ice in high and low sec and move it to probeable grav sites. However for this to be a success, ice needs to be worth mining and as it stands right now (Goon ganking aside) Ice is not worth mining.
 
 TL;DR
 1) ice as Grav sites in empire space.
 2) Reduce Iso requirements for POS and increase requirements for capital ships (adjust Iso's m3 also)
 3) make ice depletable.
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        |  Weaselior
 BUTTECORP INC
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 540
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:57:00 -
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 mkint wrote:Well, removing ice from highsec would mean more income for the RMTers that control 0.0, the CSM, and possibly certain devs, so yeah, sooner or later it probably will be. However, one of the devs said that they were taking it off the table for now. It'll probably stay off the table until RMT income starts suffering. 
 ahahahahahahahahaha
 
 look at the loon
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        |  Ladie Harlot
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 21:59:00 -
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 mkint wrote:Well, removing ice from highsec would mean more income for the RMTers that control 0.0, the CSM, and possibly certain devs, so yeah, sooner or later it probably will be. However, one of the devs said that they were taking it off the table for now. It'll probably stay off the table until RMT income starts suffering. Goons are literally running your life.
 
 The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
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        |  Renan Ruivo
 Hipernova
 Vera Cruz Alliance
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:03:00 -
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 Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:Jooce McNasty wrote:If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get. 
 It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.
 You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt. Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead. If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence. 
 
 Go mine ice in low-sec or null.
 
 Problem solved.
 Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
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        |  Psychophantic
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:06:00 -
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 Same CSM who declares war on hi-sec ice was involved in brain-storming session about its eventual removal.
 
 Didn't happen soon enough?
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        |  mkint
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:12:00 -
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 lol, look at goons attacking my suggestion that there are RMTers on the CSM. Guilty much?
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        |  Andre Jean Sarpantis
 University of Caille
 Gallente Federation
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:12:00 -
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 Renan Ruivo wrote:Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:Jooce McNasty wrote:If its not do you really want to keep mining it in highsec while the Goons are on their current campaign? I support them in what they are doing but I do not know how long this will last and how wide spread it will get. 
 It would be cool to see them keep this campaign going for a year or more, especially if they are willing on spending the isk to keep the hulks dying.
 You really have no clue what you're talking about HUH?......If they remove all curenntly in hisec located ice into lowsec and 0.0 you can expect the market break through the roof and then collapse in a big bang followed by hundreds of hisec players leaving the game if not thousands of them.....if ice can't get mined anymore in hisec and keep the price in a somwhat tolerable and affordable range most the hisec POSes in hisec and also lowsec will get removed and construction research and much other stuff will come to a nearly complete halt. Simply due to the fact Hisec research facilitys will get swamped and blocked more for months from a few keeping their jobs within the queue while the rest can suffer their soon forseeable financial dead. If you really want this happen...or talking about the remove without having a idea what the consequences will be of this totally unneeded move you better should stay quite and go in a corner and get ashamed by your incompetence. Go mine ice in low-sec or null. Problem solved. 
 
 And get blown up by every moment i try it? No thanks......if the remove happens and peoples will get forced to lowsec or 0.0 you can watch my bum leaving outta the door unsubbing my account with others along and saying good bye to the F**ed up game that Eve has gotten lately brougth to the state by the Glourious and selfish CSM and CCP which is seemingly listen to them without remorse and fullfilling their wishes.
 
 We'll see if CCP is really that stupid and kills his own game hisselfs or uses the few left braincells and stops the bullshit which is laying on the table in form from plans written up by the allready richest Allys in Eve just to f**k up the average player even more.
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        |  Obsidian Hawk
 RONA Corporation
 RONA Directorate
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:13:00 -
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 As i recall since goons started destroying anyone mining blue ice, the price has nearly quadrupled in places. This has made it so that a instead of 4 million / day to run a large pos tower of gallente style, it is nearly 12 million per day.
 
 So yeah I really doubt high sec ice will be removed.
 
 Also, dont fix what ain't broken. High sec ice is fine if anything adjust the refine amounts - like i kept saying in the features and ideas thread.
 
 
 high sec ice - 250 isotopes per refine
 low sec ice - 325 isotopes
 0.0 ice - 400 isotopes per refine.
 
 Thats balance and will encourage low sec and 0.0 mining.
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        |  Daedalus II
 Helios Research
 Combat Mining and Logistics
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:13:00 -
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 I am one carebear that would like to see this happen. Maybe it will be worth it to take a fleet out into lowsec and mine some ice under heavy protection. That sure as hell would be a lot more fun than sitting in high sec with bleeding eyes watching your cargo hold slowly fill with ice.
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        |  mechtech
 SRS Industries
 SRS.
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:19:00 -
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 Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:And get blown up by every moment i try it? No thanks......if the remove happens and peoples will get forced to lowsec or 0.0 you can watch my bum leaving outta the door unsubbing my account with others along and saying good bye to the F**ed up game that Eve has gotten lately brougth to the state by the Glourious and selfish CSM and CCP which is seemingly listen to them without remorse and fullfilling their wishes.
 
 We'll see if CCP is really that stupid and kills his own game hisselfs or uses the few left braincells and stops the bullshit which is laying on the table in form from plans written up by the allready richest Allys in Eve just to f**k up the average player even more.
 
 Oh please, in 7 years of playing this game it's never been easier for the high sec player than it is now. From a game design standpoint CCP can see that high sec is too easy, and 0.0 doesn't really pay off for the extra risk and work involved.
 
 A true eve player welcomes change, embraces the new dynamics brought to the table, and profits from the new opportunities. Geez, what game are you playing?!
 
 Don't whine, don't be a sheep, Adapt or Die.
 
 
 
 Daedalus II wrote:I am one carebear that would like to see this happen. Maybe it will be worth it to take a fleet out into lowsec and mine some ice under heavy protection. That sure as hell would be a lot more fun than sitting in high sec with bleeding eyes watching your cargo hold slowly fill with ice. 
 Exactly.
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        |  Andre Jean Sarpantis
 University of Caille
 Gallente Federation
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:26:00 -
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 mechtech wrote:Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:And get blown up by every moment i try it? No thanks......if the remove happens and peoples will get forced to lowsec or 0.0 you can watch my bum leaving outta the door unsubbing my account with others along and saying good bye to the F**ed up game that Eve has gotten lately brougth to the state by the Glourious and selfish CSM and CCP which is seemingly listen to them without remorse and fullfilling their wishes.
 
 We'll see if CCP is really that stupid and kills his own game hisselfs or uses the few left braincells and stops the bullshit which is laying on the table in form from plans written up by the allready richest Allys in Eve just to f**k up the average player even more.
 Oh please, in 7 years of playing this game it's never  been easier for the high sec player than it is now. From a game design standpoint CCP can see that high sec is too easy, and 0.0 doesn't really pay off for the extra risk and work involved. A true eve player welcomes change, embraces the new dynamics brought to the table, and profits from the new opportunities. Geez, what game are you playing?! Don't whine, don't be a sheep, Adapt or Die. Daedalus II wrote:I am one carebear that would like to see this happen. Maybe it will be worth it to take a fleet out into lowsec and mine some ice under heavy protection. That sure as hell would be a lot more fun than sitting in high sec with bleeding eyes watching your cargo hold slowly fill with ice. Exactly. 
 
 You Sir seems not gotten the point i wanted to bring up aside from the large impact Hiseciceremoving will have not only on infrastructure, market and economy it also will FORCE....i repeat me agein FORCE technically players to leave hisec to go to either lowsec or 0.0 to get what they need.....please understand there are peoples DOESN'T want to go there at all....they simply decided to stay in hisec cause of beeing saved before the stress low and 0.0 sec activity can cause....stress which if it really gets bad and hard kills every relaxing amount this game can and had for them.
 
 Remember, some peoples are coming home from a stressfull day at work and loggin in to eve to have a bit relaxing activities here and enjoying their stay with some friends they have here as well....if this goes away....those players will go away ( leave ) as well and that Sir....is a promise which will happen if CCP is not finally ligthens up and starts to think a bit themselfes again.
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        |  Weaselior
 BUTTECORP INC
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 540
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:29:00 -
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 mkint wrote:lol, look at goons attacking my suggestion that there are RMTers on the CSM. Guilty much? attacking is sort of the wrong word I think mocking you and hysterically laughing at you is a more accurate phrase
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        |  Rhinanna
 Brutor Tribe
 Minmatar Republic
 
 4
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:29:00 -
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 Ok, I can make 45mil/hour (average) in hi-sec running missions easily.
 
 I can MAX out at 60mil/hour, in a good system, with a lot more RISK and hassle (moving ships/ammo down e.t.c.)
 
 This is all using the same ship, I could easily use a lot more powerful/expensive ship in empire with very little risk, particularly in a 0.8 or above (no change to bounties or loot which is most of the income) with practically ZERO danger.
 
 In null, having to deal with AFK-cloakers, roaming gangs, solo-hunters e.t.c. involves risk and even if you play PERFECTLY 100% OF THE TIME and never get caught, it still costs you a lot of time, which is income gone.
 
 All in all, high-sec currently has almost all the advantages for players, Null only has advantages for alliances, it should have both or there is no reward for the risk for the players. The advantages for alliances are however been reduced as I believe moon-goo is getting nerfed.
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        |  Name Family Name
 Imperial Academy
 Amarr Empire
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:30:00 -
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 The interesting bit is the fact that e.g. white glace is rising damn fast, whereas goons only interdict gallente ice mining atm (may have missed some events, as I'm not really actively playing atm).
 
 Pure speculation? Dev info leaked? Who knows...
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        |  Daedalus II
 Helios Research
 Combat Mining and Logistics
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:31:00 -
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 Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:You Sir seems not gotten the point i wanted to bring up aside from the large impact Hiseciceremoving will have not only on infrastructure, market and economy it also will FORCE....i repeat me agein FORCE technically players to leave hisec to go to either lowsec or 0.0 to get what they need.....please understand there are peoples DOESN'T want to go there at all....they simply decided to stay in hisec cause of beeing saved before the stress low and 0.0 sec activity can cause....stress which if it really gets bad and hard kills every relaxing amount this game can and had for them.
 
 Remember, some peoples are coming home from a stressfull day at work and loggin in to eve to have a bit relaxing activities here and enjoying their stay with some friends they have here as well....if this goes away....those players will go away ( leave ) as well and that Sir....is a promise which will happen if CCP is not finally ligthens up and starts to think a bit themselfes again.
 No one is forced to do anything.
 If you were mining ice for profit in high sec, you can just as well start mining ore instead, it gives roughly the same income and experience.
 If you were mining ice for your POS because you're too cheap to buy it then you will just have to buy it instead if you absolutely don't want to go to low sec. Buying fuel is ever so easy and safe. I would assume that if you run lvl 4 missions roughly as long as it would take you to mine the ice, you get enough money to buy it instead.
 
 Two easy solutions; just use some imagination.
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        |  Jooce McNasty
 Republic Military School
 Minmatar Republic
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:34:00 -
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 Name Family Name wrote:The interesting bit is the fact that e.g. white glace is rising damn fast, whereas goons only interdict gallente ice mining atm (may have missed some events, as I'm not really actively playing atm).
 Pure speculation? Dev info leaked? Who knows...
 
 
 They have expanded their reach, it is now just not in Gallente space that they are paying out bounty's, you can get them in Caldari space now and soon Minimatari space. Could be just a matter of time before all of hisec miners are under attack.
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        |  Mr Epeen
 It's All About Me
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:35:00 -
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 mechtech wrote:Oh please, in 7 years of playing this game it's never been easier for the high sec player than it is now. From a game design standpoint CCP can see that high sec is too easy, and 0.0 doesn't really pay off for the extra risk and work involved.
 
 
 That's kind of a funny thing to say. The extra risk is in staying in empire.
 
 I'm much more comfy going for a dump when I'm on one of my 0.0 characters than on any I might have in high sec. It's null that's never been safer. Or easier for that matter. Bots to do all the grunt work and next to no wars. Just sit around a bubbled gate and chitchat while drinking cheap hooch and pretending you are playing a game.
 
 Keep the ice in high sec for the few people that enjoy mining and the people that enjoy killing them.
 
 Mr Epeen
  
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        |  Andre Jean Sarpantis
 University of Caille
 Gallente Federation
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:42:00 -
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 Daedalus II wrote:Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:.
 No one is forced to do anything. If you were mining ice for profit in high sec, you can just as well start mining ore instead, it gives roughly the same income and experience. If you were mining ice for your POS because you're too cheap to buy it then you will just have to buy it instead if you absolutely don't want to go to low sec. Buying fuel is ever so easy and safe. I would assume that if you run lvl 4 missions roughly as long as it would take you to mine the ice, you get enough money to buy it instead. Two easy solutions; just use some imagination. 
 
 Whatever....what i'm also trying to imply is....if hisec POSses getting closed cause of beeing anylonger profitable due to the iceproducts prices rising to the stars....production will also get a huge impact so will research and more stuff going down within hisec, not speaking about t2 production which will after a while be fully in the hands from the 0.0 allys so they can whenevery they want totally manipulate the t2 market.
 
 or as mentioned before by a former post from me come up with the threat to the still present hisecpopulation as following:
 
 Hisec ally: 'if you want to have t2 products to your pleasure with an modest price you will have to leave hisec and join us so you get the supply's you're looking for....from now on we're totally blocking t2 product delivery to hisec so you are all F****ed!! Mhuahuahuahua!!!'
 
 this is just a vision what 'Can happen' but Must not happen.
 
 Again we'll see what will come but i'm very dissapointed about CCP even thinking about the step at all.
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        |  Name Family Name
 Imperial Academy
 Amarr Empire
 
 35
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:46:00 -
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 Jooce McNasty wrote:Name Family Name wrote:The interesting bit is the fact that e.g. white glace is rising damn fast, whereas goons only interdict gallente ice mining atm (may have missed some events, as I'm not really actively playing atm).
 Pure speculation? Dev info leaked? Who knows...
 They have expanded their reach, it is now just not in Gallente space that they are paying out bounty's, you can get them in Caldari space now and soon Minimatari space. Could be just a matter of time before all of hisec miners are under attack. 
 
 Probably, but I have never seen a public announcement about said Bounties and given GSFs relatively strong PR, I should have seen something along those lines on the forums, despite only sporadically checking them.
 
 Checking dotlan, there don't seem to be many kills in Caldari Ice mining systems as well, yet people are starting to buy white glaze as if there's no tomorrow...
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        |  The Apostle
 The Black Priests
 
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       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:46:00 -
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 Ironically, NONE of these arguments hold water until someone (CCP) can put percentages on the table justifying why the idea even needs a mention.
 
 So little of nullsec ice is mined now. It's mostly purchased/hauled from highsec. A lot of it from 0.0 alliance bots.
 
 Yes, there will be massive impacts on research, T2 invention and manufacture given that sooo much of that is done by the carebears in highsec.
 
 Having said that, good moons are a rare commodity, not accessible to your average player and yet carebears still build and sell T2 with little problem.
 
 I can't see loss of ice to highsec as a major issue providing, and this is the key, it becomes a profitable enough commodity to make 0.0 indy chars actually go mine it and transport it. And this concerns me. If they don't, T2 production, BPO research etc. will be left purely in the hands of 0.0. (not enough slots CCP!)
 
 CCP would know that 0.0 MUST mine the ice if they remove it from highsec. If they don't, the Eve economists will react very quickly because inflation will go through the roof or worse, carebears will simply throw their hands up and say, I quit.
 
 Of course, it could also promote alliances helping carebears get into 0.0 - if for nothing more than to ensure their own supply is maintained. Otherwise there will be CTA's for Mackinaw gangs to form up.
 
 imho, the idea of a reduced supply is best solution. A scannable ice belt seems most logical. I run a single medium Blood faction tower for BPO research and I need less than 20 cubes of ice a day to run it. About 20 minutes work on 3 chars.
 
 If you're a greedy pig with 20 towers and you're in highsec cash grabbing, then maybe you need to go do some real work out there.... you know.... space.....
 Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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        |  Weaselior
 BUTTECORP INC
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 541
 
 
       | Posted - 2011.10.11 22:48:00 -
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 nothing in 0.0 is mined because regular minerals are glutted thanks to the drone regions, so mining a/b/c/m ores in a hulk is less isk/hour than ratting, and isotope ice is a stupendously useless 15% better in 0.0 than highsec so obviously nobody touches that either
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