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slip66	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Dyvim Slorm Originally by: Deathwing I think they talking about putting our POS where theirs used to be and having all their logged off pilots log in thinking they are safe and finding a gun barrel pointed at their ass Yep, that sums it up, a really neat stroke icing
Robert Dobbs	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:19:00 - [92] So, FA are complaining that BoB went beyond the blatantly obvious to destroy one of their POS'. Well, let's just make some things clear. # The tactics used were valid game mechanics. # It's your fault if you don't protect yourselves against this style of play (for any reason). All in all, I think this thread amounts to FA being very sore losers. Note that BoB haven't started any threads boasting about this accomplishment. They want to kill FA, and they are doing so. So if you are truly a great alliance, stop *****ing on the forums and put up a fight.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:34:00 - [93] Wow, I think only me and Enslaver are finding the FA whines about alt spying and sabotage very funny :S FA is notorious for it, and its a bigger part of Xanadu's reputation than tech II o_O Name? Nah. You got outplayed, and lost. I'd say that calls for a round of GG! _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
Dyneon	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:43:00 - [94] I once had respect for BoB. They were honorable PvPers and I had enjoyable engagements with many of them... Blacklight... Magickangaroo...etc. However, after this unconcionable act committed upon my corp by BoB I have last all my respect for them. No longer are they honorable PvPers in my book. And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... it's quite pathetic. The only way they could do any real damage was to lurk in the shadows and dive to the depths of immorality. No longer shall I hold any respect whatsoever for such an ethically challenge alliance. ----------------------------------- Dyneon Assistant Director of Security
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Dyneon And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... Actually, It was one of your guys that posted this thread. Work for me!
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:01:00 - [96] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 24/07/2005 03:01:44 Originally by: quellious Hi, I really don't post often in here, but i was really ashamed by a lame tactic consisting in : - Making an alt spy going in another corporation - Having this alt getting POS access, then making him turning the POS offline, allowing you fleet to rob all BS/Ship/Modules - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. Before, i had quite a sort of repect for nive PvP tactic, and ability to use ships correctly. Now i have no respect anymore for all BoB players. This include : Evol , Rkk, ... If ever EvE community could blame such lame behavior ... Ciao Quellious - Colsup - FA. Note : You can consider this post as my own or corp or alliance point of view, i don't really mind. I'm just only concerned by such stupid acts. Moved from EVE General Discussion -zhuge O M G processing ........ LOOOOOOLL
Kin Hanyerec	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. Are you saying that exodus and iron are beyond the "lame" tactic of spying and you will never lower yourselves to it's use ? There are no spies. Only agents collecting information like you collect minerals from asteroids. Anyway you are right : there's no brilliance in that operation. From what i've heard it was like taking a candy from a kid.
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:17:00 - [98] Originally by: Dark Shikari Its not a lame tactic, its a stupid corporation. Only you can make yourself a victim. Its a lame tactic. Got spine? ----------------------------------------------
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:18:00 - [99] Originally by: Dyneon I once had respect for BoB. They were honorable PvPers and I had enjoyable engagements with many of them... Blacklight... Magickangaroo...etc. However, after this unconcionable act committed upon my corp by BoB I have last all my respect for them. No longer are they honorable PvPers in my book. And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... it's quite pathetic. The only way they could do any real damage was to lurk in the shadows and dive to the depths of immorality. No longer shall I hold any respect whatsoever for such an ethically challenge alliance. I wasn't even online so don't be blaming me! We have never said anything other than that we play to win and that when it's your turn you had better be bringing a gun because this ain't no knife fight. You'll get a "gg" from us in local after a fight, we 'normally' (there are always exceptions ) won't smack talk, we won't allow people logging in combat or not sticking to 1v1's but if you think we won't use every ounce of political clout, every spy and every element of sabotage and subterfuge we can then you're sorely mistaken. I guess our definition of war and honour must be different to yours. History is written by the victors. Eve Blacklight Style
Zan Esu	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:23:00 - [100] Lmao, good job BoB very ingenious strategy. As for the Fountain Alliance, you should talk about what's honorable and not. You kicked Corm out of the FA long ago along with other corporations with false accusations against us. You broke every prinipal in the alliance charter starting a new one and ridding the alliance of those you didn't deem "worthy" of your alliance. Then you proceeded to give us 24 hours to remove our stuff from the new fountain alliance space, you broke that promise and killed several corm pilots. About time this caught up with you and bit you in the a**. So stop squawking like parrots about what you think is honorable or not, your alliance certainly is dishonorable. This makes me think even less of your alliance.
magickangaroo	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:39:00 - [101] think peeps are confusing this for corp theft i personally view corp theft as stealin valuables like mins,bpos and assets from corp hangers and such. to me this seems to be a valid sneaky attack on a hostile instalation put out their with the intent of killin peeps fa didnt like... it isnt the same thing. think about it if we could take apart their pos whats to stop us from taking their tech 2 bpos... and b4 fa start throwin the stones about LAME TACTICS lets not forget im really glad that this is one less FA pos that i can be warped to when having a 1 on 1 with one of your guys. now i just have to worry bout you guys warpin in two frigs/ceptors in a 1 on 1 but hey the last time you did that turned out ok for me seconded what grim said, smart guy laters
magickangaroo	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:47:00 - [102] Originally by: Dyneon I once had respect for BoB. They were honorable PvPers and I had enjoyable engagements with many of them... Blacklight... Magickangaroo...etc. However, after this unconcionable act committed upon my corp by BoB I have last all my respect for them. No longer are they honorable PvPers in my book. And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... it's quite pathetic. The only way they could do any real damage was to lurk in the shadows and dive to the depths of immorality. No longer shall I hold any respect whatsoever for such an ethically challenge alliance. aww dont say that i didnt even know bout this till you told me. u were gettin to be an intersting guy to have in local :( besides dude like i said earlier, if i were to tar you with the same brush that some of your alliance mates have proven themselves to be you wouldnt like it. this wasnt a sploit or hax or anything that this role playing game doesnt provide. and if you honestly dont think that fa have tried to get spies into bob and if htey got in wouldnt take down that pesky pos of ours in yz your kidding yourself. mgk out dude
Kalened	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:50:00 - [103] Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 04:52:53 Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. Are you saying that exodus and iron are beyond the "lame" tactic of spying and you will never lower yourselves to it's use ? There are no spies. Only agents collecting information like you collect minerals from asteroids. Anyway you are right : there's no brilliance in that operation. From what i've heard it was like taking a candy from a kid. I don't speak for IRON. I'm speaking for myself. Ofcourse we use spies. If we didn't use spies we'd be at a disadvantage. We gather information just like everyone. Deceiving someone online and making them think you're thier friend is about as hard falling off your chair. Some might think you're brilliant for being able to lie to someone online but i don't. Don't be surprised when it happens to you either. You know it will. There is no way to protect yourself unless you just blanketly distrust everyone and if you do that i dont see you getting much use out of your assets. Even those closest to you could be a spy and most likely in the case of BoB they are.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:58:00 - [104] Corp theft for profit is lame. Corp theft as a weapon is part of the game. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:08:00 - [105] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. How is it possibly not brilliant? I don't think anyone is really saying the alt spy offlining the POS is brilliant, but the setting up of their own POS there to kill pilots logging back on most certainly IS. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Kalened	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:14:00 - [106] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. How is it possibly not brilliant? I don't think anyone is really saying the alt spy offlining the POS is brilliant, but the setting up of their own POS there to kill pilots logging back on most certainly IS. I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble.
Larno	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:37:00 - [107] Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Larno Eve would be much more popular if CCP banned corp theft, scamming and the like. I can safely say the number of players who have quit because of scamming and corp theft is greater than the number that would not play the game if there was no scamming and corp theft. Of course the thread starter was stupid to have given out POS access so freely. Was this tactic clever? Yes. Effective? Yes Dishonourable? Imo yes. Lol, coming from Mr. Altcorp. Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:43:00 - [108] Originally by: Larno Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Larno Eve would be much more popular if CCP banned corp theft, scamming and the like. I can safely say the number of players who have quit because of scamming and corp theft is greater than the number that would not play the game if there was no scamming and corp theft. Of course the thread starter was stupid to have given out POS access so freely. Was this tactic clever? Yes. Effective? Yes Dishonourable? Imo yes. Lol, coming from Mr. Altcorp. Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history. Oh sorry tard, I guess I'll have to be more specific. You're corp employees alt corps to war dec your superiors that you fear. Sorry that you're too dense to know that. OMG, WE'RE UBER (POS KILLS for the nubs)
Redblade	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:47:00 - [109] Originally by: Kalened I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble. First of all what do u sugest they do, Stay loged off untill the pos is removed? And why on earth would ccp reemburse them for the losses? If u log at a random moon one nigt and log back on the next day and get owned by a new pos at that moon i dont see any reason for reemburment, same applys to this case. Killboard
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:14:00 - [110] Edited by: Blacklight on 24/07/2005 06:14:36 Oh look this must be a thread about BoB our newest and most dedicated fanboi is here, hello Kalened. Eve Blacklight Style
Tiberius Caesar	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:17:00 - [111] Originally by: Kalened Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. How is it possibly not brilliant? I don't think anyone is really saying the alt spy offlining the POS is brilliant, but the setting up of their own POS there to kill pilots logging back on most certainly IS. I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble. Look, another IRON 'jeanius'.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:22:00 - [112] "I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble." I don't think it's about 'getting many kills'... it's more one of these "control tower: x ISK, POS fuel: x ISK, the look on the face of FA pilot who logs in to their safe POS spot only to find themselves at clone station of choice: priceless" thingies...
Zernin	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:54:00 - [113] Edited by: Zernin on 24/07/2005 07:01:08 Originally by: magickangaroo think peeps are confusing this for corp theft i personally view corp theft as stealin valuables like mins,bpos and assets from corp hangers and such. to me this seems to be a valid sneaky attack on a hostile instalation put out their with the intent of killin peeps fa didnt like... it isnt the same thing. think about it if we could take apart their pos whats to stop us from taking their tech 2 bpos... Actually no you couldn't because CCP finally got off thier collective asses and gave us ways to prevent that kind of bull****. Our BPOs are quite well protected. Unfortunately it seems CCP dosen't learn from its past mistakes and didn't figure out that security measures are the most forking important part of this game, freighters and those annoying cosmos sytems could have waited imnsho. Should CCP have done what they should have before they even released POS's and split up the various levels of access to the PoS's instead of it being an all or nothing switch this never would have come to pass (something that if I understand correctly was originally supposed to be in the last patch but didn't make it, yay for cosmos systems...). I am not surprised BoB took this route. It is war, and as much as they complain about FAs policies BoB has always been the pot regardless of how old this kettle is. In fact most of my anger with bob was over with after the first half hour. In the big picture we lost an arm, but in time it will come back, and it will be stronger then before. What really has me ticked, and I hope a good portion of this community ticked, perhaps even that one semi-honorable member of BoB who didn't really find any fun in this recent move ticked, is CCP's total failure to anticipate this and provide to us in a timely manner the relatively simple changes to prevent this without totally crippling the entire purpose of a PoS as a true base of operations. Much as you will note from the announcement our CEO made on the subject we are not dead simply because you managed to get a virus in for a time, and we don't even place the majority of blame or concern with the virus. We blame the local health administration who should have had, and very well might have, the cure available and simply failed to administer it.
Kalened	Posted - 2005.07.24 07:10:00 - [114] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 24/07/2005 06:14:36 Oh look this must be a thread about BoB our newest and most dedicated fanboi is here, hello Kalened. Oh ouch how snappy that was.. You even had to edit it. Think hard on that did ya?
Andrue	Posted - 2005.07.24 07:57:00 - [115] Edited by: Andrue on 24/07/2005 08:03:31 Originally by: Dianabolic This is an in-character, in-game forum. If we see you in space, we will kill you and do horrible and depraved things to your corpse. Yeah, he reanimates them and forces them to mine Veldspar. I have the alts to prove it -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
MyFire	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:29:00 - [116] From scale 1 to 10 : 1) "Brilliant" = 8 2) "Lame" = 10 3) "Dangerus" = 10+++ BoB has given a new meaning to the "alts", but we should ALL watch out... ppl get inactive and trade/give their accounts, soo login screenshots wont be of any help. Way to go BoB... u just showed all EvE how to get your POS's down. And believe me, you are gonna taste your own medicine one day. P.S. IMHO, everyone should make a line (that goes for rl too) and try not to cross it. BoB just showed us that they have no lines and that has no "honor". DISrespect for the (since now) mostly respected corp/alliance.
Nyk0n	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:41:00 - [117] Edited by: Nyk0n on 24/07/2005 08:43:13 Originally by: Dafuzz Originally by: Recruitment1 WHY THE HELL ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE LAUGHING? Corporation theft is wrong and undermines the game entirely! I bet if more and more pilots started stealing from their corporations, you would get alot of people who put hours and hours into gathering wealth quit eve online all together! Corp theft just ruins the reputation of the pilot if caught too. Wait till you see what's next. Please stay tuned. This all has just begun. There is no spoon.And still no brain Heh while i must admit that putting up a new pos in the same location was a touch of class i never credited evol to have, the reason for that lack of respect is stuff just like how that you used an alt to do it, which is back to the bob i expect, i thought BIG STWONG EVOL just wanted a fight? so as you like to fight so much u avoid fighting a pos using an alt instead to dissable it? Sure it makes sense, but lets look at flip side, if it was a fa member doing it what it have been seen as using there brain and doing things the easy way or desperation cos they are getting pwn'd n cant do it like a man? To read how hard fa is being pwn'd by u guys in these forums, then seeing something like this makes me laugh so dam hard and i pity the members of all bob corps that have enough inteligence to know this actully dosnt look big and clever I doubt any peeps will use the stuck issue as a easy way out, as most of those who matter in bob know, fa comms is so poor they prolly wont even know which is a shame as id love to see them get moved by a gm, because 1 lame trick deserves another dont you think? sarcasm I see that pos as a fair trade, 4 myself and every other member of the fa, the main bulk of the eve population to see how uber you really are and that fa is being crushed and beaten because of how we are outskilled and weak /end sarcasm actully it kinda makes you look fos and lame i cant wait to see wot happens next, i hope it makes you look just as good as this does. Once again, respect to droppin that pos there, class idea, still somewot in shock that it came from a bob member Sorry to derail the mood in here, feel free to return to getting each off over the fact you think the funny side to all this is the security of the corp involved. Thanks 4 this 1, this news has really made my day
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:46:00 - [118] Originally by: Zernin What really has me ticked, and I hope a good portion of this community ticked, perhaps even that one semi-honorable member of BoB who didn't really find any fun in this recent move ticked, is CCP's total failure to anticipate this and provide to us in a timely manner the relatively simple changes to prevent this without totally crippling the entire purpose of a PoS as a true base of operations. Much as you will note from the announcement our CEO made on the subject we are not dead simply because you managed to get a virus in for a time, and we don't even place the majority of blame or concern with the virus. We blame the local health administration who should have had, and very well might have, the cure available and simply failed to administer it. Couldn't agree more, well said.
Leitari	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:52:00 - [119] oh I like this discussion, keep on going /emote gets popcorn Here, Only the silent survive.
Li ShangYin	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:10:00 - [120] Originally by: MyFire P.S. IMHO, everyone should make a line (that goes for rl too) and try not to cross it. BoB just showed us that they have no lines and that has no "honor". Now corrent me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this simply show that where-ever they draw the line isn't where you are drawing it. This obviously crossed a line with many people but not with whoever did this. That you are judging them based on your rules and "lines" only shows you aparently assuming that your morals are imperative. Who knows, they might walk old ladies across the street, and still not judge you for not helping that old lady a couple days back, while it would clearly show their moral superiority to you. ___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree. -- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D.

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