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quellious	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:05:00 - [1] Hi, I really don't post often in here, but i was really ashamed by a lame tactic consisting in : - Making an alt spy going in another corporation - Having this alt getting POS access, then making him turning the POS offline, allowing you fleet to rob all BS/Ship/Modules - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. Before, i had quite a sort of repect for nive PvP tactic, and ability to use ships correctly. Now i have no respect anymore for all BoB players. This include : Evol , Rkk, ... If ever EvE community could blame such lame behavior ... Ciao Quellious - Colsup - FA. Note : You can consider this post as my own or corp or alliance point of view, i don't really mind. I'm just only concerned by such stupid acts.
Guardian Alpha	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:10:00 - [2] CCP has already given their opinion on this. Corp thievery is something that is acceptable, including betrayal. It's all about trusting and putting your corp mates through rules and regulations before granting them a ton of access. Multiple security checks can be made (such as requesting a screenshot of the character selection screen to check for alts) to help prevent this. Even works for RP. The corp already hating you hires a mercenary rookie (everyone has a price, right?) to inflitrate your PoS. Check, check, check, and learn what to not trust. ------------
Zdragva	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:11:00 - [3] Originally by: quellious - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. That has to be the funniest thing I have ever read.
bUBbLeS	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:14:00 - [4] yay for POS cAKe Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
Grunff	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:27:00 - [5] lol can you say pwned?
Tekka	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:27:00 - [6]
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:32:00 - [7] Its not a lame tactic, its a stupid corporation. Only you can make yourself a victim. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Band Zior	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:33:00 - [8] Please transfer 25m() to Tornsol or suffer the consequences(). That would be all. could be more by now ** no idea what consequences, you probably lose hangar rights or whatever. ---------- Richard Simmons in Space
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:34:00 - [9] Harsh, but then again if the POS was in FA space I'm afraid u wudnt have had to use it much anyway :\ - Gob
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:34:00 - [10] classic hahaha ---------------------- Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out Pa1nbringr > sick Fedaykin Naib > lol
Mad'Mike Banks	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:35:00 - [11] boohoo?
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:36:00 - [12] Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on.
Gungankllr	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:36:00 - [13] That's actually pretty funny. Well, not the alt part turning the POS off, but the puting their own POS in its place. I deduct that this thread will get locked either late page 2 or early page 3. www.hadean.org
Redblade	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:38:00 - [14] Originally by: quellious Hi, Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. Funiest ever, /me tips hat to they guy that came up with that idea Killboard
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:39:00 - [15] Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. Well, I for one love this "idea" -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Makkar	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:45:00 - [16] So the enemy managed to sneak a spy into your castle and lower the drawbridge? Quite an old tactic, that.
zincol	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. oh noes! Stuck petitions r flooding in from fountain space...
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:48:00 - [18] Originally by: zincol Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. oh noes! Stuck petitions r flooding in from fountain space... Already pre-empted that one.
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:56:00 - [19] funny stuff
zincol	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: zincol Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. oh noes! Stuck petitions r flooding in from fountain space... hehe with all the stuck systems a bet a few get away with it ;-) Already pre-empted that one.
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:57:00 - [21] I heard the alt was a member for 3 days or so when you gave him access, great security you have there so suit yourselves. Nice work on infiltrating that corp, BoB :) "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
Viceroy	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:58:00 - [22] Lame? Sounds like a good idea to me. It's obvious that you fell for it. __________________________ Finite Horizon Your end is our beginning.
Aeoluz	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. I thought BoB was better than this. I really did! No, this is not a clever piece game manipulation, this is just BoB-inspired corp theft. One can only hope that similar acts of betrayal lie in store for BoB itself. As you sow, so shall you reap. When your time comes, and you too decline into obscurity, all that will be left of you will be the vague memory that you were a motley bunch of disreputable, dishonerable thieves and scoundrels. Congratulations on your marvelous achievement.
Alter Mann	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Alter Mann on 23/07/2005 19:05:47 I am sure if you search the forums on posts from GNW era that you'll find a lot of "covert ops" done by BoB vs PA. It is a part of the war, and how BOB plays. The fact that this happened tells us at least 2 things: a) you haven't done your homework when the war vs bob started. b) the director that granted access is thick as a brick. oh and btw, everybody tries to use spies in wars, its just that some are good at it, and some are not
Mad'Mike Banks	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Aeoluz Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. I thought BoB was better than this. I really did! No, this is not a clever piece game manipulation, this is just BoB-inspired corp theft. One can only hope that similar acts of betrayal lie in store for BoB itself. As you sow, so shall you reap. When your time comes, and you too decline into obscurity, all that will be left of you will be the vague memory that you were a motley bunch of disreputable, dishonerable thieves and scoundrels. Congratulations on your marvelous achievement. CIA MI5 KGB? infiltration like this has as been used by every country in the world and im sure theres plenty of it in the coperate world also
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Aeoluz Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. I thought BoB was better than this. I really did! We don't care what you think. We play to win, we made it very clear before we even embarked on this operation the kind of tactics that we would be employing - if people can't deal with that, that's their problem. As for it happening to us? I look forward to that day, because if someone can rip me off and rob us of the assets we have then I shall shaken his hand and buy him a drink, for he will of had to work DAMN hard for it.
EVILIVE	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:14:00 - [27] That has to be close to or over a billion isk that you lost today. I have to commend you on your cool disposition if the roles were reversed I know I wouldn't be as cool. It wouldn't surprise if you had granted everyone in your corp. that kind of access to the POS. You can call it a lame tactic but what I bet your really ticked about is the fact that you hadn't thought or achieved it first and that it wasn't a Dread that took it out but your own inadequate security measures.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Larno I thought BoB won wars with pure PvP skill, obviously they can't do that so they have to resort to this instead. PvP skill? With that comment, larno, it is obvious you don't know that that is.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Larno I thought BoB won wars with pure PvP skill, obviously they can't do that so they have to resort to this instead. This is PvP. Hell, strip mining a belt is PvP, because you're competing against other miners to sell your goods. Only 1% of PvP actually involves guns. The rest is hunting, spying, sabotage, and propaganda. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Kingpenn	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:22:00 - [30] Originally by: bUBbLeS Edited by: bUBbLeS on 23/07/2005 18:23:59 yay for POS cAKe get orrrf awwwr laaaand rabble rabble rabble!!!
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:22:00 - [31] HAHAHAHAHHAHA this is the best thing Ive ever heard of! PWNED to the highest level! Siddy > i feel like Clubbing a baby seals now
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:24:00 - [32] "- Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in." Gonna make people think twice now before they log off in what they consider their safe haven... :s
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:24:00 - [33] Sounds like good use of infiltration to me. Cant see it as any more lame than barefaced destruction of the ship. In short, whats so lame? __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Alter Mann	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:31:00 - [34] what is amusing is that FA's first reaction was "ZOMG EXPLOITZ!!11one" which is basically the default reaction of every newb since Starcraft. Not that anybody is shocked that FA are newbs, whole eve community knew that, it is just funny if you remember the incident when bob shot up bunch of ships in Fountain and FA council decided they won't fight back. All those "pvpers" yapping about how they wanted blood and all that, and where are they now? Looks like whoever decided not to fight back then knew what material his alliance was made of.
Larno	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Larno I thought BoB won wars with pure PvP skill, obviously they can't do that so they have to resort to this instead. PvP skill? With that comment, larno, it is obvious you don't know that that is. Enlighten me. Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Larno I thought BoB won wars with pure PvP skill, obviously they can't do that so they have to resort to this instead. This is PvP. Hell, strip mining a belt is PvP, because you're competing against other miners to sell your goods. Only 1% of PvP actually involves guns. The rest is hunting, spying, sabotage, and propaganda. You know what I meant smartass.
Nirscout	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Zdragva Originally by: quellious - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. That has to be the funniest thing I have ever read. same :D its just awesome

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:57:00 - [37] Since you mentioned some faction names the thread has been moved here. Just for the record, CCP have no problem with alt characters being used to infiltrate, spy, steal, haul or even sit 200km above a gate, they are all valid game tactics. To everyone else, especially those getting over-excited, please keep your comments respectful, friendly and troll free.

Halkin	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:59:00 - [38] its about time pos access got tighter, last time i checked it was possible for your next door neighbours dog to offline a pos by p*****g on the nearest lamppost if it has changed then a withdraw this post, if not then ccp must accept some blame. when i went to cape in the us i'm fairly sure they didnt let me have access to launch the shuttle, even tho i could get inside the area....
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:01:00 - [39] BRILLIANT!!!
Crzycnck2	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:16:00 - [40] The only lame tactic in this game is logging in combat.. this tactic is BRILLIANT as someone just mentioned. Can anyone say Trojan Horse!! If you'r dumb enough to let it in your fortress then don't be surprised when the enemy gets in. Takes 1 spy to change access to your POS to let his guys in to change everything else. Spy flies around changing access while the corp he's working for goes in and takes over the POS and claims soveriengty. this could work well for taking over stations as well. as they would no longer be invulnerable and if cost the invading corp/alliance 0 isk to do it. In the face of adversity comes the true colours of a man.
Nifel	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:22:00 - [41] Actually Zhuge... BoB won't mind people trolling, flaming and making an ass of themselves. We're not the faint of heart. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago."
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:30:00 - [42] Cause and Effect, yada yada yada.
Recruitment1	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:30:00 - [43] WHY THE HELL ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE LAUGHING? Corporation theft is wrong and undermines the game entirely! I bet if more and more pilots started stealing from their corporations, you would get alot of people who put hours and hours into gathering wealth quit eve online all together! Corp theft just ruins the reputation of the pilot if caught too.
CoolSprog	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:32:00 - [44] Im still, damn horny..
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Recruitment1 WHY THE HELL ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE LAUGHING? Corporation theft is wrong and undermines the game entirely! I bet if more and more pilots started stealing from their corporations, you would get alot of people who put hours and hours into gathering wealth quit eve online all together! Corp theft just ruins the reputation of the pilot if caught too. This was espionage. It is a valid war tactic. Get over it, get even, quit, but ffs, stop whining.
Dafuzz	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Recruitment1 WHY THE HELL ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE LAUGHING? Corporation theft is wrong and undermines the game entirely! I bet if more and more pilots started stealing from their corporations, you would get alot of people who put hours and hours into gathering wealth quit eve online all together! Corp theft just ruins the reputation of the pilot if caught too. Wait till you see what's next. Please stay tuned. This all has just begun. There is no spoon. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Grimster	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:05:00 - [47] What the??? Can't do right for doing wrong it seems. Last week, BoB pilots bravely took 2 POS into reenforced mode, forcing a fleet battle (which they won) and the eventual dismantling of both POS's in a system, and then got called losers for not taking the POS's This week, BoB take the POS and get called losers for taking the POS. Talk about a tough crowd
Larno	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:07:00 - [48] Eve would be much more popular if CCP banned corp theft, scamming and the like. I can safely say the number of players who have quit because of scamming and corp theft is greater than the number that would not play the game if there was no scamming and corp theft. Of course the thread starter was stupid to have given out POS access so freely. Was this tactic clever? Yes. Effective? Yes Dishonourable? Imo yes.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Larno Eve would be much more popular if CCP banned corp theft, scamming and the like. I can safely say the number of players who have quit because of scamming and corp theft is greater than the number that would not play the game if there was no scamming and corp theft. Of course the thread starter was stupid to have given out POS access so freely. Was this tactic clever? Yes. Effective? Yes Dishonourable? Imo yes. Lol, coming from Mr. Altcorp. OMG, WE'RE UBER (POS KILLS for the nubs)
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:48:00 - [50] I think, above all, Grimster states it best. For every question asked of BoB, there is an answer. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
pardux	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:51:00 - [51]
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:54:00 - [52] Ooooo i didnt like BoB before this really but now your cool Im sure you all care
Dragon Slave	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:55:00 - [53] Quote: Corporation theft is wrong and undermines the game entirely! I bet if more and more pilots started stealing from their corporations, you would get alot of people who put hours and hours into gathering wealth quit eve online all together! Corp theft just ruins the reputation of the pilot if caught too. I would say most corporation thefts are simply the lack of security. Keep access and roles to everything valuable only to people you know you can trust for sure, and this sort of thing will never happen. Most members doesn't need access to most hangars or, as the case where here, access to POS'es. More veteran members of the corps can handle this for them, it's an extra step compared to just giving them direct access, sure, but even RL corps and organizations have to go through this for them to achive something called "security"
Dracorimus	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:20:00 - [54] Valid tactic, lack of security on their part, too bad for them. This is war ladies and gentleman, war aint just about guns ya know. - http://www.killboard.net/?p=pilot&n=Dracorimus
AvanCade	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:24:00 - [55] Originally by: quellious Hi, I really don't post often in here, but i was really ashamed by a lame tactic consisting in : - Making an alt spy going in another corporation - Having this alt getting POS access, then making him turning the POS offline, allowing you fleet to rob all BS/Ship/Modules - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. Before, i had quite a sort of repect for nive PvP tactic, and ability to use ships correctly. Now i have no respect anymore for all BoB players. This include : Evol , Rkk, ... If ever EvE community could blame such lame behavior ... Ciao Quellious - Colsup - FA. Note : You can consider this post as my own or corp or alliance point of view, i don't really mind. I'm just only concerned by such stupid acts. Moved from EVE General Discussion -zhuge lol, what stupid ass gives a new person in corp POS anchor rights? Then you ask for it!
Soul Raven	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:28:00 - [56] Edited by: Soul Raven on 23/07/2005 23:29:29 Its a shame people have to play the game this way.... However no blame can be layed at the feet of BoB. They are just living up to expectations.... THIS IS A CCP FAULT as the POS access rights STINK!
Riggwelter	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:30:00 - [57] In the first year or so of eve Corp theft was considered about the worst crime you could commit in eve. To me morally its something i would never even consider doing. The terroist factions of eve seem to now consider that its valid and useful tactic. To them i would say i really hope it doesnt happen to you. No matter how good you think you think your security is it can and will happen. All you can do is make it hard to accomplish. Personally i think eve would be a much happier place if the leaders of every major organisation looked down on it apparently this isnt so. But heaven help you if you logged out in a combat, dont want to fight them, want to mine or run mission. Somewhere along the lines there seems to have been a loss of perspective about what really matters. Destoying others enjoyment now seems to be the major goal of certain parts of the player base and heaven help you if you deem to act outside their rules. They who shout the loudest normally have the least to say.
Deathwing	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:42:00 - [58] All Your Base....well..you get the idea <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
slip66	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Larno I thought BoB won wars with pure PvP skill, obviously they can't do that so they have to resort to this instead. skills which is negated by a pos, problem solved. No one said to give access to anyone. It's got to be one of the most brilliant tactics ever in eve.
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:42:00 - [60] I think corp theft is still frowned upon, however in year 2 the lines are blurred, perhaps BOB have justification for there actions, and as everyone else says...its war
SilverQ	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:43:00 - [61] SABOTAGE: 2 : destructive or obstructive action carried on by a civilian or enemy agent to hinder a nation's war effort Extract from Websters English Dictionary. They even have a name for it. Its almost as if its been done before. Funny that.
Aeoluz	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:46:00 - [62] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Aeoluz Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Possibly the best idea we've ever had, enjoy sitting logged off and / or getting ganked when u log back on. I thought BoB was better than this. I really did! We don't care what you think. We play to win, we made it very clear before we even embarked on this operation the kind of tactics that we would be employing - if people can't deal with that, that's their problem. As for it happening to us? I look forward to that day, because if someone can rip me off and rob us of the assets we have then I shall shaken his hand and buy him a drink, for he will of had to work DAMN hard for it. Its really simple. RKK endorse corp theft. I dont particularly care what you think either, but after two year in this game, this noob ( ) still manages to find some tactics unacceptable. Obviously, you dont. I guess its you lot that have to live with it, not me. Proud RKK reduced to this - shame on you.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Aeoluz Its really simple. RKK endorse corp theft. No, we weed out suckers. It's Eve Darwinism, I'd evolve if I were you, you might be next.
Aeoluz	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:51:00 - [64] Im not sure you should be making personal attacks or threats to individuals on this forum.
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:52:00 - [65] Im sure he should, ingame vendettas are allowed, just like corp theft!
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:54:00 - [66] "But heaven help you if you logged out in a combat, dont want to fight them, want to mine or run mission. Somewhere along the lines there seems to have been a loss of perspective about what really matters. Destoying others enjoyment now seems to be the major goal of certain parts of the player base and heaven help you if you deem to act outside their rules." Considering the affected entity is hardly a shining beacon of light, and instead operates by trying to 'own' and control large part of 0.0 space ... effectively preventing the outsiders who would like to mine or run missions there, from getting their enjoyment ... let's think twice before throwing stones? 'cause someone might get hurt on all that broken glass :s
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Aeoluz Im not sure you should be making personal attacks or threats to individuals on this forum. This is an in-character, in-game forum. If we see you in space, we will kill you and do horrible and depraved things to your corpse. If you REALLY think that that sentiment extends to the real world, might I suggest you're taking this GAME far too seriously, and step away for a bit of a timeout? Our intentions have been made very clear, don't be surprised when we get round to you and hand you your very own spoon and very own, custom made, cup, on a platter, with your balls.
Icomeinpeace	Posted - 2005.07.23 23:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Aeoluz Im not sure you should be making personal attacks or threats to individuals on this forum. Can I have what your on? Your like a wannabe mod except your a ....well I'll just leave that part out. Nice POS, we'll take it.
Sna1ch	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:03:00 - [69] Lame Tactic? What is a lame tactic? Being one of the biggest corps in an alliance and sitting in Empire selling ships and weapons to the enemy so they can use them to kill the fodder Trying to keep fountain clear? ôHi IÆm Mr X from X Corp and IÆm currently in fountain core trying my hardest to keep bob at bay, unfortunately IÆve just lost my ship, could you sell me another ship so I can get back into the fight?ö ôMr X, we would love to sell you a ship but we currently have a long waiting list, Once we have for filled the orders for bob & 5 we will happily SELL you a new ship. Until then Please keep fountain space safe KTHXBYEö Now 2 me thatÆs lame!
dabster	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:04:00 - [70] Cant say I'm surprised, using alts and spies has always been the way the bobsters prefer to play. I find it more amusing to not grief and keep my morale tbh, this is corptheft nothing else. gj ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
Riggwelter	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:09:00 - [71] Originally by: j0sephine "But heaven help you if you logged out in a combat, dont want to fight them, want to mine or run mission. Somewhere along the lines there seems to have been a loss of perspective about what really matters. Destoying others enjoyment now seems to be the major goal of certain parts of the player base and heaven help you if you deem to act outside their rules." Considering the affected entity is hardly a shining beacon of light, and instead operates by trying to 'own' and control large part of 0.0 space ... effectively preventing the outsiders who would like to mine or run missions there, from getting their enjoyment ... let's think twice before throwing stones? 'cause someone might get hurt on all that broken glass :s Your altruism is truely outstanding, nasty FA stopping people running missions and mining. Im sure they must have sacrificed animals too. They who shout the loudest normally have the least to say.
Thrak	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:09:00 - [72] Guys, WTF. You know full well we will take any fight you throw at us and ask for some extra bruising on top. But you won't fight a lot of the time. So we have to you hurt you using every available oriface. Its not so much a case of 'wrong hole' more, every hole twice.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:12:00 - [73] Originally by: dabster Cant say I'm surprised, using alts and spies has always been the way the bobsters prefer to play. Considering that is coming from FA, that is what must be the must amusing thing I have read here in a very long time. Btw, I believe you now owe the alliance 25m for posting on this forum section. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
qtip	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:13:00 - [74] This thread somehow reminds me of the "lame node" accusations we had in the north :S
dabster	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:17:00 - [75] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: dabster Cant say I'm surprised, using alts and spies has always been the way the bobsters prefer to play. Considering that is coming from FA, that is what must be the must amusing thing I have read here in a very long time. How so? One of the reasons FA started to act more with small gangs and on corp-levels, was that gangs and TS in 9/10 cases, were comprimised when hostiles were around. Originally by: The Enslaver Btw, I believe you now owe the alliance 25m for posting on this forum section. Oldest. Assumption. Ever. /me hands over price ___________________________ Chicks dig Brutor's
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:21:00 - [76] "Your altruism is truely outstanding, nasty FA stopping people running missions and mining." Just calling it as i see it; and naming things for what they're has nothing to do with altruism ... unless you're making some wild mental leap to conclusion that BoB is shooting FA because FA prevents people from running missions and mining? In which case i believe you're badly mistaken. o.O;
Aeoluz	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Dianabolic This is an in-character, in-game forum. If we see you in space, we will kill you and do horrible and depraved things to your corpse. ... other irrelevant stuff removed ... Im not sure this forum is the place to make personal in-game, in-character attacks or threats. Does that make it more plain for you? Nobody mentioned anything out of game, out of character. We were discussing the validity of using corp-theft as a tactic; you can threaten me in-game, in-character someplace else, if you feel the need. I couldnt care less. I didnt think it was helpful in this particular forum, or contributed to the discussion.
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:22:00 - [78] Originally by: Riggwelter They who shout the loudest normally have the least to say. In my experience, not saying anything normally means you have nothing to say. Bravo! Flawless strategic integrity. Eve is like an ultra-modern game of chess... we just took your castle with our queen, and now all your pieces that previously were not in play have become vulnerable. *check* - Your Move. Work for me!
Riggwelter	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:24:00 - [79] Edited by: Riggwelter on 24/07/2005 00:24:50 Originally by: j0sephine "Your altruism is truely outstanding, nasty FA stopping people running missions and mining." Just calling it as i see it; and naming things for what they're has nothing to do with altruism ... unless you're making some wild mental leap to conclusion that BoB is shooting FA because FA prevents people from running missions and mining? In which case i believe you're badly mistaken. o.O; Hmm cant rember what you just written or perhaps you made a mistake "effectively preventing the outsiders who would like to mine or run missions there" They who shout the loudest normally have the least to say.
TWD	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:28:00 - [80] FA has played it hard in the past, We play it hard now. Don't go cry about it.
Nira Li	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:30:00 - [81] hehe funneh You Will Cry My Name
slip66	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:32:00 - [82] fraps?
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:35:00 - [83] Edited by: j0sephine on 24/07/2005 00:35:47 "Hmm cant rember what you just written or perhaps you made a mistake "effectively preventing the outsiders who would like to mine or run missions there"" Aye, that's what i wrote. TWD just said up there what i meant, in much simpler and more clear terms. Hope it helps to clear the confusion...
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.07.24 00:39:00 - [84] Originally by: Aeoluz Originally by: Dianabolic This is an in-character, in-game forum. If we see you in space, we will kill you and do horrible and depraved things to your corpse. ... other irrelevant stuff removed ... Im not sure this forum is the place to make personal in-game, in-character attacks or threats. Does that make it more plain for you? Nobody mentioned anything out of game, out of character. We were discussing the validity of using corp-theft as a tactic; you can threaten me in-game, in-character someplace else, if you feel the need. I couldnt care less. I didnt think it was helpful in this particular forum, or contributed to the discussion. FA (espicially Xanadu-BIG) have been involved with so much dirty dealing/spying I find it so amusing that any FA member can sit here and pretend to take the 'moral high ground'. You have your past and you get to live (die) with it. OMG, WE'RE UBER (POS KILLS for the nubs)
Kalened	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:24:00 - [85] Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron.
Deathwing	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. I think they talking about putting our POS where theirs used to be and having all their logged off pilots log in thinking they are safe and finding a gun barrel pointed at their ass <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Dyvim Slorm	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Deathwing I think they talking about putting our POS where theirs used to be and having all their logged off pilots log in thinking they are safe and finding a gun barrel pointed at their ass Yep, that sums it up, a really neat stroke
Kim Wu	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:43:00 - [88] Originally by: Dianabolic Nice moon, we've taken it. Awesome job :), oh and FA dont play the innocent, your members try to gang people and warp them to pos. This is the same thing really in a different way + this is better engineered and LOT funnier ----------------------------------
Klaryssa	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:43:00 - [89] You wouldnt come out of your house, FA; So we came and tore your house down.
Sochin	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:52:00 - [90] Originally by: SilverQ SABOTAGE: 2 : destructive or obstructive action carried on by a civilian or enemy agent to hinder a nation's war effort Extract from Websters English Dictionary. They even have a name for it. Its almost as if its been done before. Funny that. Quoted for truth. This was not an act of corp theft. It was an act of sabotage that in addition to destroying a POS, involved stealing everything inside it. Would everyone suddenly feel better if we had blown all the ships up instead? It makes much better military sense to turn them against their former owners. Nemo me impune lacessit
slip66	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Dyvim Slorm Originally by: Deathwing I think they talking about putting our POS where theirs used to be and having all their logged off pilots log in thinking they are safe and finding a gun barrel pointed at their ass Yep, that sums it up, a really neat stroke icing
Robert Dobbs	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:19:00 - [92] So, FA are complaining that BoB went beyond the blatantly obvious to destroy one of their POS'. Well, let's just make some things clear. # The tactics used were valid game mechanics. # It's your fault if you don't protect yourselves against this style of play (for any reason). All in all, I think this thread amounts to FA being very sore losers. Note that BoB haven't started any threads boasting about this accomplishment. They want to kill FA, and they are doing so. So if you are truly a great alliance, stop *****ing on the forums and put up a fight.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:34:00 - [93] Wow, I think only me and Enslaver are finding the FA whines about alt spying and sabotage very funny :S FA is notorious for it, and its a bigger part of Xanadu's reputation than tech II o_O Name? Nah. You got outplayed, and lost. I'd say that calls for a round of GG! _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
Dyneon	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:43:00 - [94] I once had respect for BoB. They were honorable PvPers and I had enjoyable engagements with many of them... Blacklight... Magickangaroo...etc. However, after this unconcionable act committed upon my corp by BoB I have last all my respect for them. No longer are they honorable PvPers in my book. And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... it's quite pathetic. The only way they could do any real damage was to lurk in the shadows and dive to the depths of immorality. No longer shall I hold any respect whatsoever for such an ethically challenge alliance. ----------------------------------- Dyneon Assistant Director of Security
PaulAtreides	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Dyneon And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... Actually, It was one of your guys that posted this thread. Work for me!
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:01:00 - [96] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 24/07/2005 03:01:44 Originally by: quellious Hi, I really don't post often in here, but i was really ashamed by a lame tactic consisting in : - Making an alt spy going in another corporation - Having this alt getting POS access, then making him turning the POS offline, allowing you fleet to rob all BS/Ship/Modules - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. Before, i had quite a sort of repect for nive PvP tactic, and ability to use ships correctly. Now i have no respect anymore for all BoB players. This include : Evol , Rkk, ... If ever EvE community could blame such lame behavior ... Ciao Quellious - Colsup - FA. Note : You can consider this post as my own or corp or alliance point of view, i don't really mind. I'm just only concerned by such stupid acts. Moved from EVE General Discussion -zhuge O M G processing ........ LOOOOOOLL
Kin Hanyerec	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:16:00 - [97] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. Are you saying that exodus and iron are beyond the "lame" tactic of spying and you will never lower yourselves to it's use ? There are no spies. Only agents collecting information like you collect minerals from asteroids. Anyway you are right : there's no brilliance in that operation. From what i've heard it was like taking a candy from a kid.
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:17:00 - [98] Originally by: Dark Shikari Its not a lame tactic, its a stupid corporation. Only you can make yourself a victim. Its a lame tactic. Got spine? ----------------------------------------------
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:18:00 - [99] Originally by: Dyneon I once had respect for BoB. They were honorable PvPers and I had enjoyable engagements with many of them... Blacklight... Magickangaroo...etc. However, after this unconcionable act committed upon my corp by BoB I have last all my respect for them. No longer are they honorable PvPers in my book. And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... it's quite pathetic. The only way they could do any real damage was to lurk in the shadows and dive to the depths of immorality. No longer shall I hold any respect whatsoever for such an ethically challenge alliance. I wasn't even online so don't be blaming me! We have never said anything other than that we play to win and that when it's your turn you had better be bringing a gun because this ain't no knife fight. You'll get a "gg" from us in local after a fight, we 'normally' (there are always exceptions ) won't smack talk, we won't allow people logging in combat or not sticking to 1v1's but if you think we won't use every ounce of political clout, every spy and every element of sabotage and subterfuge we can then you're sorely mistaken. I guess our definition of war and honour must be different to yours. History is written by the victors. Eve Blacklight Style
Zan Esu	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:23:00 - [100] Lmao, good job BoB very ingenious strategy. As for the Fountain Alliance, you should talk about what's honorable and not. You kicked Corm out of the FA long ago along with other corporations with false accusations against us. You broke every prinipal in the alliance charter starting a new one and ridding the alliance of those you didn't deem "worthy" of your alliance. Then you proceeded to give us 24 hours to remove our stuff from the new fountain alliance space, you broke that promise and killed several corm pilots. About time this caught up with you and bit you in the a**. So stop squawking like parrots about what you think is honorable or not, your alliance certainly is dishonorable. This makes me think even less of your alliance.
magickangaroo	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:39:00 - [101] think peeps are confusing this for corp theft i personally view corp theft as stealin valuables like mins,bpos and assets from corp hangers and such. to me this seems to be a valid sneaky attack on a hostile instalation put out their with the intent of killin peeps fa didnt like... it isnt the same thing. think about it if we could take apart their pos whats to stop us from taking their tech 2 bpos... and b4 fa start throwin the stones about LAME TACTICS lets not forget im really glad that this is one less FA pos that i can be warped to when having a 1 on 1 with one of your guys. now i just have to worry bout you guys warpin in two frigs/ceptors in a 1 on 1 but hey the last time you did that turned out ok for me seconded what grim said, smart guy laters
magickangaroo	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:47:00 - [102] Originally by: Dyneon I once had respect for BoB. They were honorable PvPers and I had enjoyable engagements with many of them... Blacklight... Magickangaroo...etc. However, after this unconcionable act committed upon my corp by BoB I have last all my respect for them. No longer are they honorable PvPers in my book. And for them to come on the boards and boast of their cowerdly actions.... it's quite pathetic. The only way they could do any real damage was to lurk in the shadows and dive to the depths of immorality. No longer shall I hold any respect whatsoever for such an ethically challenge alliance. aww dont say that i didnt even know bout this till you told me. u were gettin to be an intersting guy to have in local :( besides dude like i said earlier, if i were to tar you with the same brush that some of your alliance mates have proven themselves to be you wouldnt like it. this wasnt a sploit or hax or anything that this role playing game doesnt provide. and if you honestly dont think that fa have tried to get spies into bob and if htey got in wouldnt take down that pesky pos of ours in yz your kidding yourself. mgk out dude
Kalened	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:50:00 - [103] Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 04:52:53 Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. Are you saying that exodus and iron are beyond the "lame" tactic of spying and you will never lower yourselves to it's use ? There are no spies. Only agents collecting information like you collect minerals from asteroids. Anyway you are right : there's no brilliance in that operation. From what i've heard it was like taking a candy from a kid. I don't speak for IRON. I'm speaking for myself. Ofcourse we use spies. If we didn't use spies we'd be at a disadvantage. We gather information just like everyone. Deceiving someone online and making them think you're thier friend is about as hard falling off your chair. Some might think you're brilliant for being able to lie to someone online but i don't. Don't be surprised when it happens to you either. You know it will. There is no way to protect yourself unless you just blanketly distrust everyone and if you do that i dont see you getting much use out of your assets. Even those closest to you could be a spy and most likely in the case of BoB they are.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.24 04:58:00 - [104] Corp theft for profit is lame. Corp theft as a weapon is part of the game. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:08:00 - [105] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. How is it possibly not brilliant? I don't think anyone is really saying the alt spy offlining the POS is brilliant, but the setting up of their own POS there to kill pilots logging back on most certainly IS. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Kalened	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:14:00 - [106] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. How is it possibly not brilliant? I don't think anyone is really saying the alt spy offlining the POS is brilliant, but the setting up of their own POS there to kill pilots logging back on most certainly IS. I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble.
Larno	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:37:00 - [107] Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Larno Eve would be much more popular if CCP banned corp theft, scamming and the like. I can safely say the number of players who have quit because of scamming and corp theft is greater than the number that would not play the game if there was no scamming and corp theft. Of course the thread starter was stupid to have given out POS access so freely. Was this tactic clever? Yes. Effective? Yes Dishonourable? Imo yes. Lol, coming from Mr. Altcorp. Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:43:00 - [108] Originally by: Larno Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Larno Eve would be much more popular if CCP banned corp theft, scamming and the like. I can safely say the number of players who have quit because of scamming and corp theft is greater than the number that would not play the game if there was no scamming and corp theft. Of course the thread starter was stupid to have given out POS access so freely. Was this tactic clever? Yes. Effective? Yes Dishonourable? Imo yes. Lol, coming from Mr. Altcorp. Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history. Oh sorry tard, I guess I'll have to be more specific. You're corp employees alt corps to war dec your superiors that you fear. Sorry that you're too dense to know that. OMG, WE'RE UBER (POS KILLS for the nubs)
Redblade	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:47:00 - [109] Originally by: Kalened I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble. First of all what do u sugest they do, Stay loged off untill the pos is removed? And why on earth would ccp reemburse them for the losses? If u log at a random moon one nigt and log back on the next day and get owned by a new pos at that moon i dont see any reason for reemburment, same applys to this case. Killboard
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:14:00 - [110] Edited by: Blacklight on 24/07/2005 06:14:36 Oh look this must be a thread about BoB our newest and most dedicated fanboi is here, hello Kalened. Eve Blacklight Style
Tiberius Caesar	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:17:00 - [111] Originally by: Kalened Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. How is it possibly not brilliant? I don't think anyone is really saying the alt spy offlining the POS is brilliant, but the setting up of their own POS there to kill pilots logging back on most certainly IS. I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble. Look, another IRON 'jeanius'.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:22:00 - [112] "I can't see you getting many kills before the word gets out. I wouldn't doubt they could petition and get their ships back. I can't possibly see how its worth the trouble." I don't think it's about 'getting many kills'... it's more one of these "control tower: x ISK, POS fuel: x ISK, the look on the face of FA pilot who logs in to their safe POS spot only to find themselves at clone station of choice: priceless" thingies...
Zernin	Posted - 2005.07.24 06:54:00 - [113] Edited by: Zernin on 24/07/2005 07:01:08 Originally by: magickangaroo think peeps are confusing this for corp theft i personally view corp theft as stealin valuables like mins,bpos and assets from corp hangers and such. to me this seems to be a valid sneaky attack on a hostile instalation put out their with the intent of killin peeps fa didnt like... it isnt the same thing. think about it if we could take apart their pos whats to stop us from taking their tech 2 bpos... Actually no you couldn't because CCP finally got off thier collective asses and gave us ways to prevent that kind of bull****. Our BPOs are quite well protected. Unfortunately it seems CCP dosen't learn from its past mistakes and didn't figure out that security measures are the most forking important part of this game, freighters and those annoying cosmos sytems could have waited imnsho. Should CCP have done what they should have before they even released POS's and split up the various levels of access to the PoS's instead of it being an all or nothing switch this never would have come to pass (something that if I understand correctly was originally supposed to be in the last patch but didn't make it, yay for cosmos systems...). I am not surprised BoB took this route. It is war, and as much as they complain about FAs policies BoB has always been the pot regardless of how old this kettle is. In fact most of my anger with bob was over with after the first half hour. In the big picture we lost an arm, but in time it will come back, and it will be stronger then before. What really has me ticked, and I hope a good portion of this community ticked, perhaps even that one semi-honorable member of BoB who didn't really find any fun in this recent move ticked, is CCP's total failure to anticipate this and provide to us in a timely manner the relatively simple changes to prevent this without totally crippling the entire purpose of a PoS as a true base of operations. Much as you will note from the announcement our CEO made on the subject we are not dead simply because you managed to get a virus in for a time, and we don't even place the majority of blame or concern with the virus. We blame the local health administration who should have had, and very well might have, the cure available and simply failed to administer it.
Kalened	Posted - 2005.07.24 07:10:00 - [114] Originally by: Blacklight Edited by: Blacklight on 24/07/2005 06:14:36 Oh look this must be a thread about BoB our newest and most dedicated fanboi is here, hello Kalened. Oh ouch how snappy that was.. You even had to edit it. Think hard on that did ya?
Andrue	Posted - 2005.07.24 07:57:00 - [115] Edited by: Andrue on 24/07/2005 08:03:31 Originally by: Dianabolic This is an in-character, in-game forum. If we see you in space, we will kill you and do horrible and depraved things to your corpse. Yeah, he reanimates them and forces them to mine Veldspar. I have the alts to prove it -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
MyFire	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:29:00 - [116] From scale 1 to 10 : 1) "Brilliant" = 8 2) "Lame" = 10 3) "Dangerus" = 10+++ BoB has given a new meaning to the "alts", but we should ALL watch out... ppl get inactive and trade/give their accounts, soo login screenshots wont be of any help. Way to go BoB... u just showed all EvE how to get your POS's down. And believe me, you are gonna taste your own medicine one day. P.S. IMHO, everyone should make a line (that goes for rl too) and try not to cross it. BoB just showed us that they have no lines and that has no "honor". DISrespect for the (since now) mostly respected corp/alliance.
Nyk0n	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:41:00 - [117] Edited by: Nyk0n on 24/07/2005 08:43:13 Originally by: Dafuzz Originally by: Recruitment1 WHY THE HELL ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE LAUGHING? Corporation theft is wrong and undermines the game entirely! I bet if more and more pilots started stealing from their corporations, you would get alot of people who put hours and hours into gathering wealth quit eve online all together! Corp theft just ruins the reputation of the pilot if caught too. Wait till you see what's next. Please stay tuned. This all has just begun. There is no spoon.And still no brain Heh while i must admit that putting up a new pos in the same location was a touch of class i never credited evol to have, the reason for that lack of respect is stuff just like how that you used an alt to do it, which is back to the bob i expect, i thought BIG STWONG EVOL just wanted a fight? so as you like to fight so much u avoid fighting a pos using an alt instead to dissable it? Sure it makes sense, but lets look at flip side, if it was a fa member doing it what it have been seen as using there brain and doing things the easy way or desperation cos they are getting pwn'd n cant do it like a man? To read how hard fa is being pwn'd by u guys in these forums, then seeing something like this makes me laugh so dam hard and i pity the members of all bob corps that have enough inteligence to know this actully dosnt look big and clever I doubt any peeps will use the stuck issue as a easy way out, as most of those who matter in bob know, fa comms is so poor they prolly wont even know which is a shame as id love to see them get moved by a gm, because 1 lame trick deserves another dont you think? sarcasm I see that pos as a fair trade, 4 myself and every other member of the fa, the main bulk of the eve population to see how uber you really are and that fa is being crushed and beaten because of how we are outskilled and weak /end sarcasm actully it kinda makes you look fos and lame i cant wait to see wot happens next, i hope it makes you look just as good as this does. Once again, respect to droppin that pos there, class idea, still somewot in shock that it came from a bob member Sorry to derail the mood in here, feel free to return to getting each off over the fact you think the funny side to all this is the security of the corp involved. Thanks 4 this 1, this news has really made my day
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:46:00 - [118] Originally by: Zernin What really has me ticked, and I hope a good portion of this community ticked, perhaps even that one semi-honorable member of BoB who didn't really find any fun in this recent move ticked, is CCP's total failure to anticipate this and provide to us in a timely manner the relatively simple changes to prevent this without totally crippling the entire purpose of a PoS as a true base of operations. Much as you will note from the announcement our CEO made on the subject we are not dead simply because you managed to get a virus in for a time, and we don't even place the majority of blame or concern with the virus. We blame the local health administration who should have had, and very well might have, the cure available and simply failed to administer it. Couldn't agree more, well said.
Leitari	Posted - 2005.07.24 08:52:00 - [119] oh I like this discussion, keep on going /emote gets popcorn Here, Only the silent survive.
Li ShangYin	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:10:00 - [120] Originally by: MyFire P.S. IMHO, everyone should make a line (that goes for rl too) and try not to cross it. BoB just showed us that they have no lines and that has no "honor". Now corrent me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this simply show that where-ever they draw the line isn't where you are drawing it. This obviously crossed a line with many people but not with whoever did this. That you are judging them based on your rules and "lines" only shows you aparently assuming that your morals are imperative. Who knows, they might walk old ladies across the street, and still not judge you for not helping that old lady a couple days back, while it would clearly show their moral superiority to you. ___________________________________ A spring day at the edge of the world. On the edge of the world once more the day slants. The oriole cries, as though it were its own tears Which damp even the topmost blossoms on the tree. -- Li Shang-yin, Exile, ninth century A.D.
babycow	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:28:00 - [121] HELLO BOYS AND GIRLS OK NOW I WILL TELL U WHAT IS THE IDEA:) IN LOVE AND WAR EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE,CORP THEFT IS BAD INDEED HOW LONG IS USED IN A NON WAR ACTION. I WANT TO REMEMBER U BOB AND FA ARE IN WAR AND IN THIS MOMENT EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE SO STOP BEING STUPID AND COME WITH SMACK ON THIS FORUMS. FA U ARE BETTER THEN BOB OK PROVE IT (IF U CAN) ABOUT THE PPL WHO SAID THIS TACTIC IS LAME , MY FRIENDS I WANT TO TELL U 1 SINGLE THING,U ARE JUST JELOUS BECAUSE U ARE NOT THE OWNER OF THIS TACTIC AND U CANT THINK SO MUCH TO SET UP A TACTIC LIKE THIS SO ...DONT COME TO BLAME WHAT U DONT KNOW TNX FOR YOUR ATENTION AND I AM SORRY IF I UPSET SOME1 EBIL TWINS 4TW FEAR OR ......SEE U LATER
Dell	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:28:00 - [122] cry! RN Killboard
kashkaisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:35:00 - [123] so at the final, what Bob did soundz good to you ? So if i understand, if someone get stupid enough to trust you at a point he want to give you acces to pos and bpc, bpo... You should just bakstab him cause most of your friend is in the other team ? I dont say that cause im in FA...i just say that cause at one point, b4 you make a decision like that,b4 that second your about to make that kind of move, it come something call honor and respect! Am i stupid enough to make that kind of move...? If yes, Bob is still hiring...If not, i ave respect for you even if we are ennemy and even if you blow me 100 time. Anyway...Respect to all who fight whit honor !
babycow	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:47:00 - [124] so at the final, what Bob did soundz good to you ? So if i understand, if someone get stupid enough to trust you at a point he want to give you acces to pos and bpc, bpo... You should just bakstab him cause most of your friend is in the other team ? I dont say that cause im in FA...i just say that cause at one point, b4 you make a decision like that,b4 that second your about to make that kind of move, it come something call honor and respect! Am i stupid enough to make that kind of move...? If yes, Bob is still hiring...If not, i ave respect for you even if we are ennemy and even if you blow me 100 time. HOW U CAN FIGHT WITH HONOR WHEN THE ENEMY DONT COME TO GIVE U A HONORABLE FIGHT? AND THE SECOND POINT IS : IF U DONT KNOW HOW TO PROTECT YOUR GOODS MEANS U ARE STUPID AND U NEED TO PAY FOR THAT JUST 1 ADVICE FOR EVERY1 THINK 100 TIMES BEFORE U DO SOMETHING
Dell	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:49:00 - [125] honor and respect!!!! FA dont have any! and never will RN Killboard
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:03:00 - [126] Originally by: Dell honor and respect!!!! FA dont have any! and never will Well I havent met much FA, but from the ones I've seen I agree. ------------------------------------------
Dukath	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:08:00 - [127] If people want to compare this to corp theft... well its their right to do so. But then it has to be the slowest corp theft ever. All in all it took more than 6 hours to remove the POS. 6 hours in which FA had all the opportunity to stop us. 6 hours to get a fleet up and attack. 6 hours to send in 5 people with some fuel to quickly online it again. What did fa do? nothing. They saw what was happening and they continued what they were doing (probably in empire using their alts). Secondly sure you need to trust people, but giving access to someone you don't know in less than a couple of days? Come on, you don't even know if the person will fit in in the corp. This is not even about security, this is common sense. A possible solution of course is removal of all alts. But i guess this would hurt fountain a lot more than BoB :)
Dr Screamm	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:10:00 - [128] Soo much love in here, makes me all warm and fuzzy. Btw, Sabotage is the word, NOT Corp Theft.
LokeDemonG	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:18:00 - [129] Originally by: quellious Hi, Before, i had quite a sort of repect for nive PvP tactic, and ability to use ships correctly. Now i have no respect anymore for all BoB players. This include : Evol , Rkk, If ever EvE community could blame such lame behavior ... Ciao Moved from EVE General Discussion -zhuge Respect in EVE lol. EVE is runned by ****s, Thats includes CCP EVOL runned by Swede, enough said. Right Shrike?
SilverQ	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:19:00 - [130] Edited by: SilverQ on 24/07/2005 10:19:36 In the Bible did they not use spies and sabotage? In WW1 did they not use spies and sabotage? In WW2 did they not use spies and sabotage? In Vietnam did they not use spies and sabotage? Hell, in every war i can think of have spies and sabotage not been used? So catch up with a 1000 years of history or face it being used against you. "All's Fair In Love And War"
Larno	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:20:00 - [131] Originally by: Darkrydar Edited by: Darkrydar on 24/07/2005 06:14:53 Originally by: Larno Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Larno Eve would be much more popular if CCP banned corp theft, scamming and the like. I can safely say the number of players who have quit because of scamming and corp theft is greater than the number that would not play the game if there was no scamming and corp theft. Of course the thread starter was stupid to have given out POS access so freely. Was this tactic clever? Yes. Effective? Yes Dishonourable? Imo yes. Lol, coming from Mr. Altcorp. Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history. Oh sorry, I guess I'll have to be more specific. You're corp employees alt corps to war dec your superiors that you fear. Sorry that you're too dense to know that. LMAO. WLD is a pure PvP corp. Why would we want to hire mercs? Even if we wanted to we couldn't afford it anyway. Lol you are about the dumbest person I have ever seen on these forums, and that really is saying something! LOL!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:37:00 - [132] Originally by: LokeDemonG Respect in EVE lol. EVE is runned by ****s, Thats includes CCP EVOL runned by Swede, enough said. Right Shrike? Nice personal, out of game, attack you've got going on there.
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:43:00 - [133] Originally by: Dr Screamm Btw, Sabotage is the word, NOT Corp Theft. well, if you didn't take posession of sghq property but "only" destroyed it then i'd say it was sabotage, if you did take what you got there i'd say it was sabotage and corp theft.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:58:00 - [134] Originally by: Gerome Doutrande Originally by: Dr Screamm Btw, Sabotage is the word, NOT Corp Theft. well, if you didn't take posession of sghq property but "only" destroyed it then i'd say it was sabotage, if you did take what you got there i'd say it was sabotage and corp theft. It's all semantics, Gerome, whatever people call it those who play this game like we do will respect it, those who do not will call it griefing, but what no one can deny is that it must be acknowledged as a VALID game tactic that MUST be defended against. Yes, and I've said this long before now, CCP need to get roles implemented for POS security ASAP, the current system is appalling - it's either 100% trust or 0% trust. The people that have this kind of access in RKK have been with us for a very long goddamn time and it hurts us as much as it hurts anyone else not to be able to allow our newer players to, for example, refit at the pos. Having said all that, I have immense pity on those who, with corporations such as GHSC around, will give access to a just_joined_3_days_ago character. I do hope that Sturmgrenadier bounce back, I do hope they learn from this, a very, VERY harsh lesson, I do hope that they will, one day, make us pay for our operation yesterday. That IS what EVE is all about, I just hope it doesn't consume them so much it makes this game about hatred. From what I've seen they've handled this very well, and for that they have my respect - not that they care, I'm sure, but then - neither do I.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:01:00 - [135] Who the hell cares anyway ? I know I don't. I choose to measure my and my corps actions by my set of principles. They allow it, end of dilemma. Coming here to cry about this being dishonourable adn all that is fine, if it weren't that Like Dukath said your 2K player alliance had 6 hours to remove 20 people robbing a pos from the system in question. You could at the very least have sent some frigates to try and kill our haulers when they moved the ships and modules we looted right into our corp hangars in your own 'core' system... What FA did, was post a thread crying about honour. I think that concludes this nicely, don't you ? _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Talon SilverHawk	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:07:00 - [136] Truly ebil putting another pos in place was genius. Sorry to the corp that lost but you did sort of do it to yourselves... Tal
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:08:00 - [137] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 24/07/2005 01:24:43 For those of you thinking this is brilliant i question your definition of brilliance. Last time i checked theres no difficulty factor in deceiving someone online. Every major alliance in this game has spies at the top level even BoB. I'll never understand how people take pride in espionage on this game. Since CCP allows for espionage they should put in some form of counter espionage. The only way you have to catch a spy today is if the spy is a moron. The fact you can use espionage in this game so effectivly is the reason it ROCKS, i grew up watching 007 now i can be him if i choose too \o/ We're coming for you
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:27:00 - [138] Originally by: Dianabolic It's all semantics, Gerome, whatever people call it those who play this game like we do will respect it, those who do not will call it griefing, but what no one can deny is that it must be acknowledged as a VALID game tactic that MUST be defended against. that is of course correct, while i'd personally rather call it a matter of (personal) attitude than semantics. but what is "lame" or not is most certainly not something one can decide objectively (some people consider non consentual combat in eve as lame for example).
Bizarre	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:51:00 - [139] Porro! ------------------------------------------------- Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
Alter Mann	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:06:00 - [140] Originally by: LokeDemonG EVOL runned by Swede, enough said. Right Shrike? Molle is E.T.
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:31:00 - [141] U really cant be blaming anyone but urselves. U allowed a n00b member POS access. Thats just retarded. No matter what u think of us, or our tactics. Its part of everyday life. And its part of EvE. Any alliance that doesnt use spies to gather intel etc isnt playing right. Every war in the world has had spies, covert agents yada yada. Its not like we infiltraded ur corp and emptied ur corp hangers, we took down a POS and looted ur ships etc. Had we not been able to loot them, they would have died. So calling it theft makes no odds, makes no sense to NOT take them if we can. FA are really in no postion to talk of honour. Ive lost count of the times arranged 1v1s etc have been broken up by other FA members warping in. Or having us try and warp to a POS, along with the old ' gang invite ' . Ive seen it in writing, stating FA deliberatly dishonour 1v1s , and will continue to do so. Add to this the lack of resistance in ur core systems. What a shining example of honour u guys are. But, i guess if u dont have the respect and honour to fight for ur alliance, why show it to others eh We will keep on using all valid ingame tactics to play our game. We play to win, not to be nice
Kryztal	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:45:00 - [142] You didnt care enough about the POS to come protect it or save it or hell give us a lil beating, you kept doing your thing which means you couldnt have cared that much. All is fair in war and your just whining cos this happened to you. If it was reversed you would be cheering insted of this drama. Come show us some of that honorable fighting plz or is operation "bore them into leaving" the best youve got?
Grimster	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:51:00 - [143] Edited by: Grimster on 24/07/2005 12:52:08 Originally by: Larno Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history. Personally wouldn't go as far as to call anyone an idiot here (there's not tangible backup and you really don't know anyone so can't come to that assumption), but I remember when Wildcats were on these forums crying that Mercenary Frigates were shooting them a while back. Whine ftw Think maybe the point is you ain't involved man - shhhh
CoolSprog	Posted - 2005.07.24 13:00:00 - [144] Lol i have got a great idea! Hows about....you STOP whining about the loss of your POS, about how lame we are for doing it etc etc, maybe if you defended your space we wouldent have even got there, maybe if your allience had one testicle beteen the lot of you, we would have been more busy fighting you off. Instead we had loads of spare bored ships+pilots, so why not take down your POS, your own faul tbph! oh and Nyk0n, well done, your the biggest retard here, "Fight the POS instead of disable it!" SUREEEE M8, tell you what, you go in first, i'll be right behind you! No? didnt think so, so hush! OH and this whole POS thing has made me uber horny
Sinjin Smythe	Posted - 2005.07.24 14:38:00 - [145] This is probably one of the most awesome things I have heard about in EVE yet. Cant believe how funny this is. Pure gold!
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 14:40:00 - [146] FA are ******* hypocrits. Lame tactics, using alts to take out our POS!!! What's all that talk about honrable fights? Fight us! We would, if you were actualy there to fight. Alts are lame! Look who's talking. I don't know any other alliance who uses more alts to take care of their business. FA people are saying that they don't use alts, so this means 1 of 3 things: 1: They DO use alts and leave their mains logged off in Fountain. This means they DO use alts and so they make themselves look incredibly stupid with their claims of everyone being lame who uses alts. 2: They don't use alts and use their mains in Empire, which means they abandonded Fountain. Yet, they still claim to be defending their region and accuse us of not fighting. Who looks stupid now, i wonder? 3: They don't use alts and don't use mains. They simply ***** the forums to flame us whenever they can. Sporadically fa frig groups kill a bob frig and claim it as a major victory, all the while they can't mine and can't npc. They refuel their pos only when we shoot it and waste money on a station they can't use. So, this is all going good for FA then i guess? I can name a few more things. It's really hypocricy, an FA corp calling tactics they themselves employ lame. I just wonder why they can't see that for themselves. Are they simply stupid? :) Reiisha's Skills
Grimster	Posted - 2005.07.24 15:14:00 - [147] Originally by: Larno I think maybe the point is, I will post in whatever threads I like. Oh I've not got a problem with that at all, you pay the bill mate. But, that said, I wouldn't think about commenting on a thread about Quantum Mechanics, something I know absolutely nothing about other than it's got something to do with Newtonian mechanics and Maxwellian electromagnetism, at the atomic and subatomic levels. To spout off at people who deal with this stuff all the time would make me look silly. Apply.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.07.24 15:15:00 - [148] Originally by: Larno Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Larno Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history. Personally wouldn't go as far as to call anyone an idiot here (there's not tangible backup and you really don't know anyone so can't come to that assumption), but I remember when Wildcats were on these forums crying that Mercenary Frigates were shooting them a while back. Whine ftw Think maybe the point is you ain't involved man - shhhh As I told Mr. Darkrydar - check my employment history. I have not been in Wildcats for very long and I know nothing about 'Mercenary Frigates', whoever they are. So anyone care to explain why I am 'Mr Alt Corp'? I think maybe the point is, I will post in whatever threads I like. Back when 5 was bring Xetic to its knees SNRA got a flurry of alt corps declaring wars on us. One was from Wildcat members. Alas, they are so irrivant I cant recall the name. Point is, before you spout off about BOB and whatnot being 'lame' you need to check what the corp you're in stands for. OMG, WE'RE UBER (POS KILLS for the nubs)
Valdi	Posted - 2005.07.24 16:05:00 - [149] omg omg omg pwned pwned heheheheh u know that work right ? hehehhehehehehehhehehehehhehehehehheheheheheh Gold this goes down in histories please tell me u got it frapsed --- We just came to crush... Director of Recruitment
K'isa	Posted - 2005.07.24 17:28:00 - [150] Edited by: K''isa on 24/07/2005 17:31:29 Originally by: Grimster Edited by: Grimster on 24/07/2005 12:52:08 Originally by: Larno Lol you are a complete idiot. Check my employment history. Personally wouldn't go as far as to call anyone an idiot here (there's not tangible backup and you really don't know anyone so can't come to that assumption), but I remember when Wildcats were on these forums crying that Mercenary Frigates were shooting them a while back. Whine ftw Think maybe the point is you ain't involved man - shhhh hehe. I remember as we had mostly 2-3 week old m00bs in corp and than came MF and have declared war on such easy target. and one of this m00bs was so disrupting by this war that he have spammed forums with "why a hell ... ?". and even than he have fought. anyway even than we have not run away and except with exception of just one battle I cann not remember any action where Cats have lost vs. this "strong mercenary corp" MF. pffft... ======= about lame and not lame. most of flaming here are so-called PvP'ers. when have You read last time SUN TZU (The Art of War) ? this book is old like a world and nevertheless still be actual. war is not a competition and fairness have there no place. but also Larno is right by speaking about those who leave EVE because of scummers. it is really frustrating to see how many people have low morale and no respect for other people's feelings when they have not to fear about being punished by RL-laws
Lizaa	Posted - 2005.07.24 17:30:00 - [151] Originally by: Valdi omg omg omg pwned pwned heheheheh u know that work right ? hehehhehehehehehhehehehehhehehehehheheheheheh Gold this goes down in histories please tell me u got it frapsed yes i managed to grab 105 gigs of fraps from that little experiment..... all full screen and high res. *Lizaa Director of Grief TacticsÖ*
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.07.24 17:40:00 - [152] HA!
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.24 17:46:00 - [153] Originally by: K'isa ...when they have not to fear about being punished by RL-laws Jesus christ what planet are you from? If I wanted to be punished in RL I'd go bomb a factory, as it is I don't. take your "fear of RL laws" elsewhere, thanks.
K'isa	Posted - 2005.07.24 17:56:00 - [154] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: K'isa ...when they have not to fear about being punished by RL-laws Jesus christ what planet are you from? If I wanted to be punished in RL I'd go bomb a factory, as it is I don't. take your "fear of RL laws" elsewhere, thanks. hehe. and again an example of a "very nice" person. this is really amusing to see, with which pleasure some people try to punish other with words... nvm. I have no time for such questionable art of fun. so have a fun without me
slip66	Posted - 2005.07.24 18:12:00 - [155] Originally by: Lizaa Originally by: Valdi omg omg omg pwned pwned heheheheh u know that work right ? hehehhehehehehehhehehehehhehehehehheheheheheh Gold this goes down in histories please tell me u got it frapsed yes i managed to grab 105 gigs of fraps from that little experiment..... all full screen and high res. gimmie gimme! :) It's bound to be a anti climatic end to FA though. be cool to see them loggin in then go POP..
Grimster	Posted - 2005.07.24 18:18:00 - [156] Originally by: K'isa anyway we had not run away and with exception of just one battle I cann not remember any action where Cats have lost vs. this "strong mercenary corp" MF. pffft... I will now refer you to this thread and leave it at that. tyvm.
chao226	Posted - 2005.07.24 21:52:00 - [157] Quote: Originally by: K'isa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- anyway we had not run away and with exception of just one battle I cann not remember any action where Cats have lost vs. this "strong mercenary corp" MF. pffft... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will now refer you to this thread and leave it at that. tyvm. like k'isa said we were noobs back then no PvP experiance but the majority of us did fight when we were attacked.
Perego	Posted - 2005.07.24 22:13:00 - [158] I think it is part of the game, the best way to make things change is to do the same to them...5 accounts, 6 months and some fun, BOB will taste the same... With patience, nothing is impossible, use the same weapons as your ennemy. i'm a i'm a Spy i will have as much fun they had
Robert Dobbs	Posted - 2005.07.24 22:23:00 - [159] Originally by: Larno I think maybe the point is, I will post in whatever threads I like. Larno, stop being lame before I tell everyone about that incident with the sheep and the ketchup bottle. :D
Larno	Posted - 2005.07.24 23:09:00 - [160] Originally by: Robert Dobbs Originally by: Larno I think maybe the point is, I will post in whatever threads I like. Larno, stop being lame before I tell everyone about that incident with the sheep and the ketchup bottle. :D Please, no! I'll do anything!!
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2005.07.24 23:59:00 - [161] lol how did u guys fall for that?!
Dracorimus	Posted - 2005.07.25 00:42:00 - [162] Edited by: Dracorimus on 25/07/2005 00:43:13 Originally by: Sinjin Smythe This is probably one of the most awesome things I have heard about in EVE yet. Cant believe how funny this is. Pure gold! We aim to please All these folks declaring how lame we are for doing it probably dont have the balls to do it themselves and therefore feel they should call us all names because "we did it"... Kinda sad really, but oh well, it's funny how we seem to affect SOOOOOO many people.. Regards - http://www.killboard.net/?p=pilot&n=Dracorimus
Shr3k	Posted - 2005.07.25 00:47:00 - [163] pure class, how anyone can say its lame i have no idea, absolute genius move :)
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.07.25 01:17:00 - [164] Edited by: Allen Deckard on 25/07/2005 01:21:00 chawks have been a corp for 15 years now with nearly all members still intact. (incase your wondering started in air warrior 1) The reason we have stayed together for so long is we make friends with those around us and with each other. We live around the world from each other and on occasion come together during vacations ect. This is the first game we have ever been in that we have decided to become a closed corp not open to outsiders. Not sure it it is the childish acts of a few that spoil it for all or if it is really a good majority of the population that have no real life character to stand up behind their game face. Really to bad. *like to edit this to add our dicision to be closed corp obviously had nothing to do with this incident. But from what we have seen in general.
Serret	Posted - 2005.07.25 03:45:00 - [165] Originally by: Allen Deckard Not sure it it is the childish acts of a few that spoil it for all or if it is really a good majority of the population that have no real life character to stand up behind their game face. Childish is flying around in pretend spaceships in an imaginary universe, making war by shooting laser beams at each other in between mining rocks to build made-up toys, and then thinking that it has anything whatsoever to do with real life.
Purask	Posted - 2005.07.25 04:12:00 - [166] Edited by: Purask on 25/07/2005 04:13:42 i always hear "war" to justify such actions. I hope ppl realise that this is a game and a war in rl has a totaly other meaning. In a game there can be always a winner, in war there are no winners and if ppl keep to continue playing in such a way there wont be any winner in Eve. It should be here about having real "fun", its one thing to spy to gather information but another thing to do stuff like this. Its totaly unneeded and adds nothing to the game. Btw the reasoning "in war everything is allowed" was used in the history for many bad war crimes. Im sure u can perfectly do good in eve without something like this here. The only thing u achive is to make ppl quit cause like someone said, there should be somewhere a line. Else this will end with ppl trying to hack the comps of other players to get access to all possible stuff (with the justification in mind in war all is allowed). Dont let it get this far.
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2005.07.25 05:17:00 - [167] Thats the lowest, cruellest, most depraved heartless trick I've ever heard of. My congratulations. Whoever masterminded this brilliant performance, bravo, oh, bravo. That has got to be the single most decisive manouver (via espionage) I've ever seen! Though I myself woulnd't condone such an act, nor conduct it, I most certainly wouldnt be against capitalizing on the oppertunity. Molle must have had a hand in this, he's one of the few people who could masterminded such a performance. Even if he didnt. molle, you've become an evil bastard. Welcome to the Right side of the Wrong. it suits you. P.S. suddely I'm equating Molle with Rid****, but I dont know why. I am Jack's broken moral compass. STILL trapped in eve limbo. maybe not for much longer...
Edster	Posted - 2005.07.25 06:22:00 - [168] Originally by: quellious Hi, - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. Priceless !!!
Deathwing	Posted - 2005.07.25 06:39:00 - [169] Originally by: Edster Originally by: quellious Hi, - Even worse, placing a new POS at the same place, in order to kill any pilot that logged off at POS, when he log in. Priceless !!! Days to have an Alt get access to an entire POS......4 Ammount on Ships and Modules Stolen from POS.....Billions Putting Your POS where theirs used to be and watching them log in to die like lemmings.....priceless <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:02:00 - [170]
XtcDragon	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:34:00 - [171]

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.07.25 11:01:00 - [172] Thread has run its course. Locked.


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