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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1122
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:05:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its currently 2.5 billion. Scary when such info comes from Bat Country...
Why is that scary? They're one of the foremost authorities on the subject...
baltec1 just gave out the secret to avoid freighter ganks. /thread
If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
Whitehound
809
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:10:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:It only takes 1 billion to destroy a 1.3-1.7 billion isk ship so there is that. It only costs 20 Cents to destroy a 50 thousand dollar car. The isk tanking idea is as stupid as it sounds.
You sound like you have a clue. How do I explain immortal pod pilots to my car dealer?
SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Whitehound
809
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:13:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its currently 2.5 billion. Scary when such info comes from Bat Country... Could I please get a notification when the value changes? Thank you. Why is that scary?
The hint is in the comment you have quoted. I have added back into it.
SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
346
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:22:00 -
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Ok for those not following.
Empty hulls are never ganked unless the squad is so high on victory they dont care (these people dont last long as they are wasting money)
there are 2 ways to gank a freighter.
The alphanado (16 nados @110mil each)
and
the Bumping Blastos (only 7 blastos at ~100 mil each) but also includes 2 bump machs and a bump fleet stabber.
Now if the squads are specialized and trained to the max the costs drop significantly and the gank can be done for under 500 mil.
Now onto the loot.
The rng seems to settle on a 60-40 split against you.
So on average only 40 % of all stacks will drop.
So what this means is that if you stack all you may be passed on due to the risk
from this we find that the baseline is 1.25 bil in cargo must be hauled for a perfect gank to break even.
A new gank squad needs 1.75 bil to break even.
So if you exceed those numbers you are at risk.
Exceed them by 1 billion and they will be trying to gank you if possible.
Now each gank ship has between 10k and 15k ehp
so it is possible to protect against a blastos swarm with 2 alphanados of your own.
You must be able to kill the blastos with in 10seconds of it going criminal.
If you can kill one the freighter may survive kill 2 and it is garunteed to survive deep in hull.
Now you must deal with the bump ships.
How is up to you as they will not go suspect and are very adept at their job.
You may also wish to bring logi to fix the freighter so they can not come back with a fleet of gankalysts and get the loot at a minor extra cost. |
Core Researcher
Not You Fat Jesus
1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:22:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:
This is an obvious "CCP patch stupid thread" and the way to prevent being ganked requires a support fleet. You asking for "This shouldn't involve more then 1 person" is stupid beyond measure. And yes, I'll explain this way. Get at least 8 friends, half in Falcons, half in Basilisks or Scimitars. Jump through gate, Falcons uncloak and lock target gank ships, Basilisks uncloak and chain up and preoverheat everything. Freighter begins to warp, logis begin to rep, and it takes coordination between the falcons and targets, spread jams when targets go GCC. It takes more then one volly per ship, unless you use like 20 alpha gank ships.
ok. So,
(a) if you are a freighter pilot and CCP say "" hey look that Core Researcher has somethinge lets double the EHP of freighters," why do you care so much? You get double EHP for nothing.
(b) a lot of freighters run solo - truckers of space. Why do you think it is reasonable for pilots to have an 8 ship fleet at their command everytime they haul?
(c) if i was going to use a fleet i would use 1 freighter and 1 webber. 8 ships is plain stupid. Unless your next response can answer these basic questions I call Troll. |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
461
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:27:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:
This is an obvious "CCP patch stupid thread" and the way to prevent being ganked requires a support fleet. You asking for "This shouldn't involve more then 1 person" is stupid beyond measure. And yes, I'll explain this way. Get at least 8 friends, half in Falcons, half in Basilisks or Scimitars. Jump through gate, Falcons uncloak and lock target gank ships, Basilisks uncloak and chain up and preoverheat everything. Freighter begins to warp, logis begin to rep, and it takes coordination between the falcons and targets, spread jams when targets go GCC. It takes more then one volly per ship, unless you use like 20 alpha gank ships.
ok. So, (a) if you are a freighter pilot and CCP say "" hey look that Core Researcher has somethinge lets double the EHP of freighters," why do you care so much? You get double EHP for nothing. (b) a lot of freighters run solo - truckers of space. Why do you think it is reasonable for pilots to have an 8 ship fleet at their command everytime they haul? (c) if i was going to use a fleet i would use 1 freighter and 1 webber. 8 ships is plain stupid. Unless your next response can answer these basic questions I call Troll.
Instead of using proper precautions and common sense, you're asking CCP to "fix stupid" and in your case ignorant.
Thanks for proving my original point...
Good day sir. o7
*insert witty saying here*
twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
Core Researcher
Not You Fat Jesus
1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:55:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:Core Researcher wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:
This is an obvious "CCP patch stupid thread" and the way to prevent being ganked requires a support fleet. You asking for "This shouldn't involve more then 1 person" is stupid beyond measure. And yes, I'll explain this way. Get at least 8 friends, half in Falcons, half in Basilisks or Scimitars. Jump through gate, Falcons uncloak and lock target gank ships, Basilisks uncloak and chain up and preoverheat everything. Freighter begins to warp, logis begin to rep, and it takes coordination between the falcons and targets, spread jams when targets go GCC. It takes more then one volly per ship, unless you use like 20 alpha gank ships.
ok. So, (a) if you are a freighter pilot and CCP say "" hey look that Core Researcher has somethinge lets double the EHP of freighters," why do you care so much? You get double EHP for nothing. (b) a lot of freighters run solo - truckers of space. Why do you think it is reasonable for pilots to have an 8 ship fleet at their command everytime they haul? (c) if i was going to use a fleet i would use 1 freighter and 1 webber. 8 ships is plain stupid. Unless your next response can answer these basic questions I call Troll. Instead of using proper precautions and common sense, you're asking CCP to "fix stupid" and in your case ignorant. Thanks for proving my original point... Good day sir. o7
yep.I certainly proved something. Enough time wasted on you i think.
Jump freighters are an even bigger issue it seems from the replies so far.
it takes original calcs and adds 5bn more into the mix. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3921
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Posted - 2013.02.14 16:59:00 -
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No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Core Researcher
Not You Fat Jesus
1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed.
thank you your omnipotence, glad you could set us all straight with your reasoning and debate. |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
463
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed.
Don't fix something that isn't broken in the first place.
But fix stupid, incompetent and ignorance as they have a huge issue ATM...
*insert witty saying here*
twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
baltec1
Bat Country
5220
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:16:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:
yep.I certainly proved something. Enough time wasted on you i think.
Jump freighters are an even bigger issue it seems from the replies so far.
it takes original calcs and adds 5bn more into the mix.
The cost of a victims hull means nothing at all in gank calculations. |
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
669
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:17:00 -
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You're asking for a way to be gankproof with just one pilot. Why? One of the established themes of this game is that if all else is equal, more dudes do better than fewer dudes.
To put this in perspective, what if I asked for a way for a single pilot to suicide gank a freighter? You feel you should be allowed to play solo in the middle of an MMO? Have you considered instead playing this as a competitive multiplayer game? It's really good if you get your head in the game.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace
That Red Alliance
414
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:21:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:Ive seen courier packages smaller than a pea with 1bn ISK collateral.
Don't use freighters for these contracts?
Us something small that has a quick align time?
Like an ibis etc? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3924
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:22:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed. thank you your omnipotence, glad you could set us all straight with your reasoning and debate.
You haven't demonstrated that anything needs to change.
Until then the default assumption is that nothing needs to change.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
695
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Posted - 2013.02.14 17:31:00 -
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Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of. |
Core Researcher
Not You Fat Jesus
1
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Core Researcher wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed. thank you your omnipotence, glad you could set us all straight with your reasoning and debate. You haven't demonstrated that anything needs to change. Until then the default assumption is that nothing needs to change.
really?
So to run a few comparisons:
you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'.
you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your +şargo'
and you would be happy with this?
You wouldnt ask for balance
then we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface):
dont try to play solo in an MMO.
Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it.
No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr
Galaxy Pig wrote:Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of.
and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12889
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:39:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of. and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative. No. It's a representative of common sense. The cost of the victim's ship is irrelevant. ISK does not make your ship stronger, for good reason: cost is not a balancing factor. The fact that you can kill billions worth of hull and cargo with less than a million ISK means that the game is balanced properly.
Any demand that some given ship should be harder to kill because it costs more is based on nothing but ignorance GÇö it is a direct request that the game should be unbalanced.
If you don't want your expensive ship blown up, fly it responsibly and don't give people a reason to shoot at it. There, problem solved.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5227
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:40:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of. and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.
If tanks were based upon isk value the federate issue megathron would have a base EHP at least five times greater than any titan. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:43:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Core Researcher wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed. thank you your omnipotence, glad you could set us all straight with your reasoning and debate. You haven't demonstrated that anything needs to change. Until then the default assumption is that nothing needs to change. really? So to run a few comparisons: you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'. you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your +şargo' and you would be happy with this? You wouldnt ask for balancethen we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface): dont try to play solo in an MMO. Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it. No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr Galaxy Pig wrote:Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of. and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.
You might be catching on that being wrong makes you unpopular on Spacebook.
Also, I've read the rambling mess in the above quoted post and I still can't figure out exactly what you're trying to get across. You might want to actually consider your own position and figure out why you are being told you are wrong before jumping into a series of "examples" of non-sequitors that frankly don't make sense in the first place.
You're demanding a single pilot solution to counter the work of 10-30 other players. Maybe you should respond in kind to the obvious opposite. Why can't I gank your freighter with just my one ship? I think its rediculous that I should have to find other people to help me gank you. |
EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
482
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:43:00 -
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I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5228
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:48:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs.
Most of Bat country are either in your space having fun or working on new projects. We arnt exactly short of cash at the moment |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
257
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:EI Digin wrote:I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs. Most of Bat country are either in your space having fun or working on new projects. We arnt exactly short of cash at the moment
Gotta let the fields lay fallow for a while or you overtax the soil. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3927
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:50:00 -
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Core Researcher wrote:So to run a few comparisons:
you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'.
you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your +şargo'
and you would be happy with this?
You wouldnt ask for balance
then we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface):
dont try to play solo in an MMO.
Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it.
No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr
What the hell does any of this have to do with freighter ganking?
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
349
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:51:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:baltec1 wrote:EI Digin wrote:I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs. Most of Bat country are either in your space having fun or working on new projects. We arnt exactly short of cash at the moment Gotta let the fields lay fallow for a while or you overtax the soil.
So when you gonna lay off the moon goo then? |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
467
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Core Researcher wrote:So to run a few comparisons:
you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'.
you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your +şargo'
and you would be happy with this?
You wouldnt ask for balance
then we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface):
dont try to play solo in an MMO.
Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it.
No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr What the hell does any of this have to do with freighter ganking?
Nothing at all, neither does most of the drivel he vomits on his keyboard...
*insert witty saying here*
twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
baltec1
Bat Country
5228
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:56:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:
So when you gonna lay off the moon goo then?
When it finally gets nerfed. |
Meredith Karrde
PORUS- InterStellar Mining Corporation
Black Griffin Advanced Technological Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:58:00 -
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There's an impossible bias towards Pirates/Criminals:
1) They are allowed everywhere, where the non-pirates are being killed if we dare enter their territory.
2) A pirate in Hi-Sec (which is completely illogical, in RL they would not even be tolerated in 0.5 space) is PROTECTED from being killed. Targetting a Pirate/Criminal is basically enough to get aggression from the CCP-Concorde. Even if you have a high standing with the space you are in.
We can complain about this until our tongues are worn off, nothing will change.
Probably because one of the Criminals is a GM.
Yes, they are very favorable biassed... |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
459
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:58:00 -
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It's should be alot lower.
If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
3928
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:03:00 -
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Meredith Karrde wrote:2) A pirate in Hi-Sec (which is completely illogical, in RL they would not even be tolerated in 0.5 space) is PROTECTED from being killed. Targetting a Pirate/Criminal is basically enough to get aggression from the CCP-Concorde. Even if you have a high standing with the space you are in.
No. Go learn the game before you make dumb remarks about the mechanics.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Whitehound
819
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Core Researcher wrote:Galaxy Pig wrote:Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of. and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative. If tanks were based upon isk value the federate issue megathron would have a base EHP at least five times greater than any titan.
So now you want to build Titans out of a single Tritanium, because your argument works here, too.
You then get cheap Titans and because ISK tank makes no sense.
I guess you need to get back under your bridge and find a better punch line than this.
SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
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