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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:17:00 -
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I quote
"The Phoenix Alliance (PA) is founded on the principles of integrity, honesty, and representative democracy. The PA exists for the purpose of securing the welfare of its member corporations. The PA seeks good relations with all of the other alliances/factions within the EVE universe."
So have you now become pirates then?
I don't mind being pirated (it's part of the game) but hiding under a statement like the above is a bit low. Two of your pilots were attacking non-combatants last night. So would you care to give us a heads up on whether your Alliance condones random attacks on n00b non-combatants now.
Victim: MeatHelmetz
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Cygnus Alpha Syndicate
Destroyed Type: Ferox
Solar System: Thelan
System Security Level: 0.2
Involved parties:
Name: Serpentis Corporation
Name: Othnark (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.6
Alliance: The Phoenix Alliance
Corporation: Occassus Republica
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: 800mm Repeating Artillery I
Regards
Meaty
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:25:00 -
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Occas are pirates. 
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:29:00 -
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This is the description of the Occassus Republica
"Unmeasurable in spirit.
Proud Members of The Phoenix Alliance (PA)
Pirates Be Ye Warned!"
SO the PA have pirates in their Alliance then? If so the at least I shall be warey of any PA member.
Cheers
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:38:00 -
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They also buy accounts off ebay
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OzaLoni
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:45:00 -
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MeatHelmetz..... Im no diplomat but I have raised the issue with the relevant people...... You will be hearing from someone soon....
and to Sun RA.... do you have proof of this..? If not pls refrain from making such statements... unless you want the mods to ban u?
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:48:00 -
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Hakiro was the other pilot. Also a memeber of the PA
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Apoll
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:57:00 -
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MeatHelmetz if the other member was there and was aggro on you, you should have his name in your kill mail. He was just there and didn't mess around with the kill.
Also, keep in mind that if your copr has negative standing against PA they can blow you up without further notice.
Closing PA doesn't have 1 person who is CEO/Chairman atm, (the dark days passed), but Representatives who decide.
Regarding the accusations about ebay i just 
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:26:00 -
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Thanks for the replies
Hakiro was in a Black Bird possibly cloaked to help the Tempest get close but yes he didn't fire on me, though he didn't need to with a Tempest with heavy nos draining my cap.
My point being is that the PA say there are founded on the above principles yet there are pilots under the Alliance name who are carrying out aggresive acts against non-combatant pilots. There were others attacked in the system that night who were not in the same corp.
Our corp does not have negative standing with PA. We haven't aggressed any PA members or affiliates. Neither are we based in PA territory afaik. We are based in Sinq, Thelan to be precise.
Thanks for the replies so far.
Meaty
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:26:00 -
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A ferox is hardly a noncombatant ship. I do not know in detail the politics of who owns what space, nor the geographical locations that peopel inhabit. However a battlecruiser can still cause plenty much damage in the right place and time. And war/conflict etc is never pretty.
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HonorHarrington
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:29:00 -
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PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Rick Dentill
A ferox is hardly a noncombatant ship. I do not know in detail the politics of who owns what space, nor the geographical locations that peopel inhabit. However a battlecruiser can still cause plenty much damage in the right place and time. And war/conflict etc is never pretty.
The ship like most can be used for agression. So if I see some one flying a kessie should I just attack them with out reason? I was the non-combatant not my ferox (which I was using to kill rats)
You talk about war and conflict. If PA are at war with me then I have no problems with that. How ever (unless I am very much mistaken) we/I am not. I didn't lock the pilots in question nor show any signs of agression.
We are discussing finer points of a total different subject here. Having been destroyed by a pilot who is a member of an Aliance which states it has integrity and I understood is anti-pie is what caused me to make this post. NOT the fact that I was killed. If I posted about every time I got killed there would be many posts writen by me.
It may be likely that they have rogue members which need rooting out. On the other hand they may allow their Alliance members to comit acts of piracy. If it is the later then I shall acept my fate without further discussion.
Cheers
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Nataboo
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:43:00 -
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Truely this is very sad. I would URGE the PA to root out these rats among them. This does not help your case in your current conflict with Xelas. Humm, I don't hear of Xelas attacking non-combatants. I would imagine this makes the picture a little clearer.
Nataboo
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:44:00 -
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Your corp is negative standings to them,, so how can it be "an act of piracy"
negative standings= hostile, hostile= get shot at 
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
A ferox is hardly a noncombatant ship. I do not know in detail the politics of who owns what space, nor the geographical locations that peopel inhabit. However a battlecruiser can still cause plenty much damage in the right place and time. And war/conflict etc is never pretty.
Well it's east to tell who owns the space, as it has a proper name and not one like XYZ-23 you can tell one of the empires lays claim.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.07.28 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/07/2005 13:49:32
Originally by: juduzz
Your corp is negative standings to them,, so how can it be "an act of piracy"
negative standings= hostile, hostile= get shot at
Didn't he just say his corp didn't have negative standings and was completely oblivious to the wars of the Pheonix Allaince Juduzz. To be honest it just sounds like a perfectly ordinary incidence of .2 belt piracy to me. The only noteworthy aspect of it is that it was done by a self-declared Anti Pirate corp in a self-declared anti-piracy alliance.
Nobody is saying that capsule pilots can't do whatever the hell they feel like doing of course, but saying one thing in corp descriptions and bios and then doing the exact opposite is pretty low. Its a bit like gank-invite ganking I guess.
Still, gotta say it doesn't really suprise me at all from the likes of Occassius they were always a little on the "kept in dark cellars and fed on red meat" side of the political spectrum in the north 
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2005.07.28 14:04:00 -
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Thank you Aurora and JF guys for your kind words and support for PA. Aren't you hostile towards us btw? 
To MeatHelmetz:
The incident you are referring to sir, can easily be cleared if you contact any PA diplomat. Since you can quote the principles of The Phoenix Alliance you obviously know (or can easily find) who these are, and report this incident. Be sure that this will be resolved.
After communicating with PA through the proper channel mentioned above, and if this is not resolved according to our principles, you will have every right to complain in public.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.07.28 14:34:00 -
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Piracy is strictly forbidden in the Phoenix Alliance. Convo me in game and we can sort this out
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Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.07.28 14:35:00 -
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there is no need for further discussion in this thread, so can a moderator please lock this before any flames can escalate.
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Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat
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Othnark
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:18:00 -
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Resolved.
I apologize.
Randsom returned.
I miss understood one of the senteces in the charter, and will no longer continue aggressing in this manner.
-Othnark
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Othnark
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:29:00 -
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Ok apparently hes not satisfied so...
time to set the record straight.
1: I aggresed him, yes, thats the truth.
2: I stopped before I hit structure, and was gong to let him go for a mere 5 million.
3: Rats kept attacking him, I tried to kill rats, but, 800 Repeaters dont hit intys so well.
4: I fired the last shot on his ship yes, cause i wanted the kill mail.
5: He had A PIRATING SETUP ON HIS SHIP!!!!!!!! All he got was a taste of his own medicine from the bigger fish :o
6: I will make no more reparations to a whining pirate who got pirated :) Handle it helmetz.
Othnark
Out
-Othnark
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:41:00 -
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Told to 'stfu' by pirate in question.
subject closed
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:45:00 -
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and btw
I have never pirated anyone ever.
No need to resort to abusive language.
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:46:00 -
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and nothing has been returned btw :)
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:48:00 -
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lol that good old Pheonix Alliance diplomatic charm at work
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:48:00 -
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Why did you edit out where you admitted that you held me to ransom?
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:49:00 -
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He apologised and gave the ransom back.
But after lying about the value of your modules, lying about being a non-combatant ship (you had a warp scrambler fitted), and persisting in making demands, the alliance will no longer have a part in this dispute. It is now a personal issue between Othnark and yourself.
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Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: MeatHelmetz
Why did you edit out where you admitted that you held me to ransom?
That was funny, he did admit ransoming the guy which is pretty hilarious for an anti pirate corp you gotta admit. 10/10 for high class farce Othnark.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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Majir Kry
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Posted - 2005.07.28 15:51:00 -
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"Misunderstood one of the sentances in the charter"
lol What a lying lowlife.
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:00:00 -
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I dont appreciate you calling me a liar and neither do I appreciate being verbally abused your friend. The money is not an issue, people hiding under the flag of anti-pie is. Trying to make out that I was the pirate all along is just plain rediculous. I have less that 1mil skill points and am barely finding my way in Eve in the 5 weeks I have been here.
This is exactly what I lost
1 x Ferox
Full insurance
5 x Prototype Gauss 250mm (Cost a minimum of 5 mil I've paid up to 8)
1 x Limos Heavy (1mil)
1 x Standard Heavy
3 x Power Diag 1
1 Ballistic Deflection field
1 Heat Dissipation Field I
1 Shield booster II
1 Warp disrupter
1 X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Assorted cargo and ammo
I made a very quick approximation (during a convo) and reconed on 44 million plus the 5mil ransom. Might not be exact by your standards but I don't think I was making gross exagerations.
Think what you like but I am not resorting to foul language and name calling.
Enjoy :)
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Mordineus
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Edoo
....lying about being a non-combatant ship (you had a warp scrambler fitted)...
I am a bit confused here, is it now considered an act of piracy to carry a warp scrambler fitted to your ship? Is it the official posistion of the PA that having one fitted to your ship when in the same system as a member of a PA corp is an act of agression that will rightly result in being ransomed/killed ?
I would like an official posistion on this to clear up any future misunderstandings.
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