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Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:25:00 - [31] As a director of Jericho Fraction I can say we abhor this kind of thinly veiled piracy from an outworld alliance against novice pilots just starting out in the world. Mr MeatHelmetz has politely stated his case and we are going to take the opportunity to give him the sum of 22m isk to partially compensate his loss in the hope that he'll use the money to recover his economic independence and one day strike back against the hypocrisy of the Phoenix Alliance. Have a nice day (cash transfered) "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
MeatHelmetz	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:36:00 - [32] Thank you very much.
Dafuzz	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:53:00 - [33] As a director of Evolution I can say we abhor this kind of thinly veiled piracy from an outworld alliance against novice pilots just starting out in the world. Mr MeatHelmetz has politely stated his case and we are going to take the opportunity to give him assuarance of 1 Corpse of the offender to partially compensate his loss in the hope that he'll use the corpse to stroke to recover his bruised psychological makeup and one day strike back against the hypocrisy of the Phoenix Alliance. We will grab the corpse away from Flatliner, so that it remains relatively unmolested once we obtain it. Have a nice day. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:54:00 - [34] Originally by: Mordineus Originally by: Edoo ....lying about being a non-combatant ship (you had a warp scrambler fitted)... I am a bit confused here, is it now considered an act of piracy to carry a warp scrambler fitted to your ship? Is it the official posistion of the PA that having one fitted to your ship when in the same system as a member of a PA corp is an act of agression that will rightly result in being ransomed/killed ? I would like an official posistion on this to clear up any future misunderstandings. I didn't say it was an act of piracy... what are you going on about. Anyway thankyou Jericho Fraction for refunding this poor man. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Paladineguru	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:57:00 - [35] Snipped, Removed OT and OOC -Abdalion
Paladineguru	Posted - 2005.07.28 17:02:00 - [36] Also please let me take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of OCC for othnark's behaviour Im afraid that in part this is my fault as at the time othnark read the charter he noted a part that said we do not tolerate piracy within our borders, I feel i may have been a bit lax in clarifying for him that that meant everywhere else too, and i assure you that proper compensation will be sent to you as soon as i log in , and that oth has been sent to the mines for a week as punishment.
Irvin	Posted - 2005.07.28 17:10:00 - [37] i will say just one thing chaps, did you read the info on out corp? it's quite short it says "anti pie" pie is short for pirate by the way Have a good day
M'Ar Duk	Posted - 2005.07.28 17:12:00 - [38] Originally by: HonorHarrington PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners Seconded; they even use such charming tactics as false-flagging themselves as ASCN (painball), despite the visible 'Phoenix Alliance' tag above the pilot's bio. An excellent example of integrity! And to the inevitable responders, yes, I know the actions of a single pilot don't reflect the entire alliance blah blah, I just don't care - the only PA I ever see are the ones in our space dodging combat pilots whilst looking for haulers, thus this may as well be the entire organzation. -------------------- [20:08:23] CapNMurphi > Who the hell is M'Ar Duk? [20:08:59] StormyWaters2021 > The sun god, who dwells inside me. [20:09:27] CapNMurphi > In front or in back?
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.28 17:20:00 - [39] Originally by: M'Ar Duk Edited by: M''Ar Duk on 28/07/2005 17:14:02 Originally by: HonorHarrington PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners Seconded; they even use such charming tactics as false-flagging themselves as ASCN (painball), despite the visible 'Phoenix Alliance' tag above the pilot's bio. An excellent example of honesty and integrity! And to the inevitable responders, yes, I know the actions of a single pilot don't reflect the entire alliance blah blah, I just don't care - the only PA I ever see are the ones in our space dodging combat pilots whilst looking for haulers, thus this may as well be the entire organzation. I think thats a valid tactic if someone is stupid enough to fall for it. In regards to us only attacking haulers... just see our killboards. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.07.28 17:28:00 - [40] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 28/07/2005 17:29:21 Originally by: Edoo Originally by: M'Ar Duk Edited by: M''Ar Duk on 28/07/2005 17:14:02 Originally by: HonorHarrington PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners Seconded; they even use such charming tactics as false-flagging themselves as ASCN (painball), despite the visible 'Phoenix Alliance' tag above the pilot's bio. An excellent example of honesty and integrity! And to the inevitable responders, yes, I know the actions of a single pilot don't reflect the entire alliance blah blah, I just don't care - the only PA I ever see are the ones in our space dodging combat pilots whilst looking for haulers, thus this may as well be the entire organzation. The "false flag" tactic just shows you are desperate and lack talent in my opinion. I just saw some guy called "Garishwinner" from FCON corp with Xelas in his Bio in the depths of PA claimed space. Unsurprisingly he fled, but its rather sad to use a false flag labelling tactic in your own backyard no? "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."

Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.28 17:39:00 - [41] Jasmine, you have made your feelings clear towards PA. The JF announcement at a first glance may seem 'honourable', but your endless smacktalk and interloping is not. Please can you maybe just stay out of these threads, to avoid any hard feelings between our members. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Nataboo	Posted - 2005.07.28 22:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Jade Ro Keep in mind all.... ahem... its... only... a .... game... lol... Although... PA has made this game suddenly a heck of a lot more interesting. ; ) I totaly agree PA is full of hypocrits and members who reallly dont live up to PA's "quoted" standards. I would say that would be most PA I have run across actually. Sad really. PA I am sure you have honorable members... lets see some action from you.. and .. not just in reply to this this small minor incident. Jade Ro - CEO Aurora Empire Your noob corp really shoudnt be posting on the forums. Noone has heard of you before and probably will never do so either. Its plainly obvious that you are part of JFs new "LETS START AN ANTI-PA BANDWAGON" strategy. Its so obvious that you should be embarrased to belong to such a puppet corp. And to JF, my sig fits you perfectly. As Jade mentioned we are a Noob corp. But we certainly have no connection to JF or for that matter any other corp. And very true we may never be heard of again. But we may, and I can assure you that it will not be in bad light. Our corp is willing to be friendly to any corp or alliance, unless an aggressive action is taken upon us. Simply we are here to have fun and play the game. We have spoken here even though the topic does not really concern us because a fellow player has been wronged and has evidently felt the need to voice this. I would imagine that he made attempts to resolve this offline, I am sure that came up empty. Sad that it takes a forum post with noob corps posting to make PA notice the wrong done. I think that is about all I want to say on this topic. Thanks Nataboo High Admiral Aurora Fleet
Jade Ro	Posted - 2005.07.28 22:38:00 - [43] checking character age.... checking....checking...GOSH! well u were wrong on the month old thing... lol.. but... I AM A NOOB! OH MY GOSH shivers in terror.... lol
Jade Ro	Posted - 2005.07.28 22:46:00 - [44] "You character is less than a month old. I suggest you not interfere in things that have nothing to do with you. JF and PA have a long standin blood feud, it wouldn't be wise to get involved in it, especially considering JF have a very colorful history of abandoning their allies when it suits them." By the way, Darken Two - Gallente Generals Of Destruction Syndicate - The Forsaken Empire Since when were you PA? It is fun messin with ya... lol
Wraeththu	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:32:00 - [45] Edited by: Wraeththu on 28/07/2005 23:33:00 Originally by: Darken Two How can you label someone as a pirate when you believe there is no such thing as pirate. Basically you wear your badly thought out logic on your arm like a badge. You seem to revel more in your hypocricy than anyone else here. One alliance declares themselves "anti-pirate". A member of that alliance then attacks another person on the guise of being a "pirate" due to having a scram fitted. He then ransoms the guy, which is (based on the criminal forum here on Galnet) considered a "piratical" action. So, by Eve's definitions, a pilot who's a member of an anti-pirate alliance engaged in piratical activity, and used piracy as the reasoning to do it, in an area in which is alliance had no jurisdiction Hence the hypocracy. Substitude "Ninja" for pirate, and it's exactly the same thing. Pilot A is a member of an "anti-ninja" organization. Who then commences ninja activities under the guise of anti-ninja enforcement. If it's still hard for you, I can just keep coming up with different jobs and classifications for you until it makes sense. I'm a big fan of education.
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:36:00 - [46] Originally by: Nataboo Very simple here PA. The only post that really should have been was 'We are sorry MeatHelmetz. Please let us know what was lost and it will be replaced. We at the PA do not practice piracy and strictly punish it. We can assure you that this won't happen again.' Then you should have taken the offenders in their best ship and gave them a swift podding. How sad that JF is the one giving MeatHelmetz isk then the PA or the pilot. These are the simple facts. And unless MeatHelmetz locked your pilots they should not have shot. You never know when you are waking a sleeping giant. But you guys are again good today for another laugh on how you handle these issues. You guys must have a check list of what you can do to **** off the majority of players that can clean house. * Declare an unjustified war .... done * Kill non-combatants ....done * ??????? I am sure others can ad to this list but come one, someone grow up in the PA. But I doubt that will happen, this will be proved by additional PA posts in response to this one.? MeatHelmetz Contact me in game. I would love to assist you anyway I can. Some ISK (though I am a rather new char), etc.. Thank you, Ok im starting to wonder if you are a JF/Xelas alt. So lets put a few things straight, because you really don't have a clue. Xelas declared war on us Most non-combatants don't have guns and a warp scrambler fitted on a battlecruiser We apologised to him through convo Ransom money was paid back We were going to pay the rest back, but after he lied repeatedly and rejected the convo of the person who was about to pay him back, we drew the line. I had respect for your corp's support for Xelas originally, as anyone has a right to have a stance. But you are being plain childish now, and you don't know what you're talking about. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:39:00 - [47] Originally by: Wraeththu Edited by: Wraeththu on 28/07/2005 23:33:00 Originally by: Darken Two How can you label someone as a pirate when you believe there is no such thing as pirate. Basically you wear your badly thought out logic on your arm like a badge. You seem to revel more in your hypocricy than anyone else here. One alliance declares themselves "anti-pirate". A member of that alliance then attacks another person on the guise of being a "pirate" due to having a scram fitted. He then ransoms the guy, which is (based on the criminal forum here on Galnet) considered a "piratical" action. So, by Eve's definitions, a pilot who's a member of an anti-pirate alliance engaged in piratical activity, and used piracy as the reasoning to do it, in an area in which is alliance had no jurisdiction Hence the hypocracy. Substitude "Ninja" for pirate, and it's exactly the same thing. Pilot A is a member of an "anti-ninja" organization. Who then commences ninja activities under the guise of anti-ninja enforcement. If it's still hard for you, I can just keep coming up with different jobs and classifications for you until it makes sense. I'm a big fan of education. He was warned, and punished internally. He also promised never to do it again, and tried to apologise to the victim. Please go away alt. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Nataboo	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:53:00 - [48] Edoo, Wish no ills toward you or anyone. Just a couple more things. 1. Good to know an apology was made, thought it wasn't. (better to state that in the beginning) 2. Sorry if I was incorrect on the facts. I am sure you have been wrong before. (I am sure I may have been partially incorrect. not all though) 3. No need to call me names though by inferring that I am acting childish. 4. Don't assume that I don't know what I am talking about. You never know how much I know. (hey that kinda rymes) All I was hoping to see is if the PA acts according to what it claims to value. I know I do, and my corp does. thats what matters. best wishes, Nataboo High Admiral Aurora Fleet
Wraeththu	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Edoo Please go away alt. Someone's quick to dismiss without any facts or knowing history. A bad sign for a factional diplomat.
Nataboo	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:54:00 - [50] Nataboo High Admiral Aurora Fleet

Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Nataboo Edoo, Wish no ills toward you or anyone. Just a couple more things. 1. Good to know an apology was made, thought it wasn't. (better to state that in the beginning) 2. Sorry if I was incorrect on the facts. I am sure you have been wrong before. (I am sure I may have been partially incorrect. not all though) 3. No need to call me names though by inferring that I am acting childish. 4. Don't assume that I don't know what I am talking about. You never know how much I know. (hey that kinda rymes) All I was hoping to see is if the PA acts according to what it claims to value. I know I do, and my corp does. thats what matters. best wishes, Ok nps, i just had the impression you were flaming us for the sake of it. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Nataboo	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:58:00 - [52] Hey, I don't flame. Just like to see that things are done fair by those that claim to be fair. Thank you, Nataboo High Admiral Aurora Fleet
Jade Ro	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:04:00 - [53] Edoo .....dude... thats a cool hat. No worries Edoo, you know how it is. I respect you guys gave ransom money back. You are right lets not make this a bigger issue.. I would kick whoevers hiny is practicing ransoming pilots in your corp though... He is screwing up your Corps moral... and reputation...no worries man.. Lets have fun in the game.. besides... if there werent pirates.. and player killers in game... my corp would be bored stiff... However, I do think its cool you did something at least... that I can respect...
MeatHelmetz	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:22:00 - [54] @ Unknown Subject No full payment was made. 5 mil was after I was verbally abused in game @ Mortuus I can't see what publicity I am trying to gain for this. I hadn't even heard of this alliance untill yesterday. Not btw it wasn't sorted out. An appology and repayment would have been just fine. Instead I was accused of being a pirate and more or less asking for it. Verbally abused and accused of being a liar. I would have been quite happy with an appology and a repayment of even close to what I had lost. How ever if the alliance had taken a stand by their member and said they concidered it to be a fair action I would have said no more. I was under the impression that the PA were anti-pie. Thanks for the support of the few especially Jade, Nataboo & Jasmine @ Mollari as a 5 week old play how am I supposed to know the protocols of which you speak. I asked the guy in question to stop killing me (in private convo) and even paid him the ransom. @ Edoo this is how your guy "tried to appologise to me" 2005.07.28 15:29:45 ] Othnark > so deal with it [ 2005.07.28 15:29:50 ] Othnark > u got eaten by a bigger fish [ 2005.07.28 15:30:15 ] MeatHelmetz > I am a pirate???????????????????? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:27 ] MeatHelmetz > how on earth do you figure that out? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:35 ] MeatHelmetz > +1 sec rating [ 2005.07.28 15:30:37 ] Othnark > why the hell would u have a Named warp disruptor on while NPCing? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:40 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 weeks in eve [ 2005.07.28 15:30:42 ] Othnark > ok im positive sec too [ 2005.07.28 15:30:44 ] Othnark > doesnt mean **** [ 2005.07.28 15:31:15 ] Othnark > Type: J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot) [ 2005.07.28 15:31:22 ] Othnark > look farmiliar? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:28 ] MeatHelmetz > so what? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:34 ] Othnark > so stfu [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] Othnark > you got owned by a better pilot [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] MeatHelmetz > did i even try to lock u? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:44 ] MeatHelmetz > lol [ 2005.07.28 15:31:48 ] Othnark > thats beside the point [ 2005.07.28 15:31:53 ] MeatHelmetz > u funny guy :p [ 2005.07.28 15:31:58 ] Othnark > meh [ 2005.07.28 15:32:00 ] Othnark > im done with u
MeatHelmetz	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:27:00 - [55] And here is the chat with Edoo. I didn't want it to come to this at all flame fests and the like. [ 2005.07.28 15:02:43 ] Edoo > can u prove that the rats didnt kill you? [ 2005.07.28 15:03:01 ] MeatHelmetz > Othnark laid the final blow. [ 2005.07.28 15:03:28 ] MeatHelmetz > They were involved because I was fighting them at the time [ 2005.07.28 15:05:17 ] Edoo > kk 1 sec [ 2005.07.28 15:05:24 ] MeatHelmetz > as you can see by his chat he was ransoming me. He had drained all of my cap destroyed my shield, armour and most of my hull before even convoing me [ 2005.07.28 15:05:34 ] MeatHelmetz > I didn't have a chance really [ 2005.07.28 15:05:45 ] MeatHelmetz > Put I allso paid him 5 million ISK to let me go [ 2005.07.28 15:06:08 ] Edoo > k 1 sec [ 2005.07.28 15:09:30 ] Edoo > ok he will apologise and give ransom back [ 2005.07.28 15:09:47 ] MeatHelmetz > I lost 45 million after I was paid insurance [ 2005.07.28 15:09:52 ] Edoo > so post on forums that its been settled in a friendly fashion [ 2005.07.28 15:09:55 ] MeatHelmetz > +5 mil ransom [ 2005.07.28 15:10:21 ] Edoo > the mods you lost are not worth that much [ 2005.07.28 15:10:34 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 250mm Prototype Gauss cannons [ 2005.07.28 15:10:40 ] MeatHelmetz > at the cheepest are 5mil each [ 2005.07.28 15:10:52 ] MeatHelmetz > I am not trying to rip anyone off [ 2005.07.28 15:10:56 ] Edoo > why did you have a warp scrambler fitted? [ 2005.07.28 15:11:20 ] MeatHelmetz > Because I have been attacked by pirates many times [ 2005.07.28 15:11:32 ] Edoo > 1 sec [ 2005.07.28 15:18:06 ] Edoo > theres nothing i can do about that sorry [ 2005.07.28 15:18:13 ] Edoo > i have tried though [ 2005.07.28 15:18:31 ] Edoo > he didnt know the rules [ 2005.07.28 15:20:02 ] MeatHelmetz > Well I feel that the Alliance is responsible for his actions. They are a big organisation and are no doubt very wealthy. On the other hand. I have nothing. [ 2005.07.28 15:20:17 ] MeatHelmetz > He is a pilot who is under their title. [ 2005.07.28 15:20:26 ] Edoo > well i do not have access to the alliance account... [ 2005.07.28 15:20:48 ] Edoo > and the alliance only makes money from refine taxes, which are used to replaced lost ships [ 2005.07.28 15:22:19 ] MeatHelmetz > so it's tough luck meaty eh? [ 2005.07.28 15:22:41 ] Edoo > 1 sec [ 2005.07.28 15:23:39 ] Edoo > ok put it this way... [ 2005.07.28 15:24:09 ] Edoo > you had a pretty nice setup for your 'first' ferox, you had a setup that many pirates use, and you greatly exxadurate the value of your mods [ 2005.07.28 15:24:18 ] MeatHelmetz > rubbish] [ 2005.07.28 15:24:30 ] MeatHelmetz > Ferox 30 million [ 2005.07.28 15:24:36 ] MeatHelmetz > Insurance paid out 24 million [ 2005.07.28 15:24:39 ] Edoo > you were insured [ 2005.07.28 15:24:42 ] MeatHelmetz > Insurance paid 8 million [ 2005.07.28 15:25:06 ] Edoo > talk to him now [ 2005.07.28 15:25:09 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 Gauss cannon cost me between 5 - 8 million each [ 2005.07.28 15:25:10 ] Edoo > i think he has something to say [ 2005.07.28 15:25:22 ] Edoo > he was not acting under the alliance charter so we cannot pay ourselves [ 2005.07.28 15:25:35 ] Edoo > i have asked him to refund, but its a personal matter between you 2 now sorry [ 2005.07.28 15:26:12 ] Edoo > convo him if you want your money back [ 2005.07.28 15:26:17 ] Edoo > reject it if you don't [ 2005.07.28 15:27:47 ] MeatHelmetz > a quick sorry and 5 mil isn't really justification for piracy [ 2005.07.28 15:28:49 ] MeatHelmetz > and you cant say he thought I was a pirate just because I carry gauss cannon and scram gear [ 2005.07.28 15:29:39 ] MeatHelmetz > I am 5 weeks old in Eve and have a healthy sec rating [ 2005.07.28 15:29:57 ] MeatHelmetz > anyway I didn't think anything would happen from this :( [ 2005.07.28 15:30:10 ] Edoo > your sec rating is very high for a poor empire noob [ 2005.07.28 15:30:55 ] Edoo > which means you must have NPCed in 0.0 [ 2005.07.28 15:31:12 ] MeatHelmetz > Never been to 0.0 ever [ 2005.07.28 15:31:17 ] MeatH
MeatHelmetz	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:29:00 - [56] [ 2005.07.28 15:30:55 ] Edoo > which means you must have NPCed in 0.0 [ 2005.07.28 15:31:12 ] MeatHelmetz > Never been to 0.0 ever [ 2005.07.28 15:31:17 ] MeatHelmetz > just played a lot [ 2005.07.28 15:31:45 ] Edoo > then if have NPCed that much,surely money isnt a problem [ 2005.07.28 15:32:06 ] MeatHelmetz > now your pilot is abusing me in chat [ 2005.07.28 15:32:12 ] Edoo > im sorry about your loss, but you will have to talk to Othnark about getting a refund. I have tried, but its personal between you 2 now. [ 2005.07.28 15:32:32 ] MeatHelmetz > well he used abusive language [ 2005.07.28 15:33:04 ] Edoo > maybe he's **ed off [ 2005.07.28 15:33:13 ] MeatHelmetz > well he didn't loose his ship [ 2005.07.28 15:33:17 ] MeatHelmetz > why should he be? [ 2005.07.28 15:33:46 ] Edoo > because you are lying maybe? [ 2005.07.28 15:33:54 ] MeatHelmetz > what? [ 2005.07.28 15:33:57 ] MeatHelmetz > about what? [ 2005.07.28 15:34:01 ] Edoo > i have no proof that you werent a pirate [ 2005.07.28 15:34:15 ] Edoo > and i have no proof that you dont have lots of money [ 2005.07.28 15:35:42 ] MeatHelmetz > even if I did would that make it allright? [ 2005.07.28 15:36:26 ] MeatHelmetz > So I get called a lier and verbally abused great [ 2005.07.28 15:36:28 ] MeatHelmetz > thanks [ 2005.07.28 15:36:39 ] Edoo > are you a pirate? [ 2005.07.28 15:36:53 ] MeatHelmetz > no [ 2005.07.28 15:37:04 ] Edoo > we shoot pirates [ 2005.07.28 15:37:04 ] MeatHelmetz > never attacked anyone who didn't attack first [ 2005.07.28 15:37:11 ] MeatHelmetz > only ever killed one pirate [ 2005.07.28 15:37:14 ] MeatHelmetz > been kileld 5 times [ 2005.07.28 15:37:22 ] MeatHelmetz > doesn't look very piraty to me [ 2005.07.28 15:37:32 ] Edoo > what ships have you lost to pirates before? [ 2005.07.28 15:37:49 ] MeatHelmetz > 2 Moas, 1 Kessie, a Corm and this ferox [ 2005.07.28 15:38:55 ] Edoo > PA have warned him, asked him to say sorry, and asked him to pay you back. There is no more we can do, ESPECIALLY in uncertain situations like this. Im sorry. [ 2005.07.28 15:39:25 ] MeatHelmetz > we he didn't appologise he told me to 'shut the ** up' [ 2005.07.28 15:39:40 ] MeatHelmetz > I dont hold u personally responsible [ 2005.07.28 15:40:32 ] Edoo > ok, and please don't hold the alliance responsible either [ 2005.07.28 15:40:36 ] Edoo > it is Othnark alone
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:42:00 - [57] Darken Really, Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Melia Eleven Originally by: Jasmine Constantine As a director of Jericho Fraction I can say we abhor this kind of thinly veiled piracy from an outworld alliance against novice pilots just starting out in the world. Mr MeatHelmetz has politely stated his case and we are going to take the opportunity to give him the sum of 22m isk to partially compensate his loss in the hope that he'll use the money to recover his economic independence and one day strike back against the hypocrisy of the Phoenix Alliance. Have a nice day (cash transfered) You amuse me. I didnt hear you complain when you allied with mOo a well known pirate corp. I distictly remember JF stating time and again that there was no such thing as piracy. Did you just grow an opinion out of thin air because PA were involved? Oh and you refunded the pilot did you? Dont see you refunding all teh other noobs who lose their ships to pirates. I see you are trying to get you bandwagon going again. And you contantly talk about how classy and stylish JF is on the forums. From your posts on this thread, I would say they were crass and uncivilised flaming. You're trying hard to be Jade, too bad you'll never measure up because you just dont have the "class" or the "style". The ladies got a point. Now I'm askin the same question. Care to answer? Or are you going to spew the thesaurus and hope we all forget the issues at hand. I made the comment in bold I'm a bit astounded at. How in space has the lady got a point? She is a recent graduate from the Republic Military School, has already admitted in a previous thread she is possessed by the voices of her "brother" and she's talking about things she clearly can have had no knowledge of. Now Darken I know you don't like Jericho Fraction very much but really, how can you possibly say this "lady" has a point? You can insult me and say I'm not half the arguer Jade was or whatever but really, all I said to that person was she was talking about things in the first person that she didn't have any way of knowing. Lets get that mystery cleared up before we move onto any of the rest of the things you are saying please. Okay? "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Qualitan	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Edoo Ok im starting to wonder if you are a JF/Xelas alt. So lets put a few things straight, because you really don't have a clue. Xelas declared war on us Painball attacked us, we locked PA out of our stations until the problem could be resolved diplomatically. PA then declared war. I sure hope you're not believing your own spin. When all is said and done that delusion will be what kills the PA regardless of if Xelas is left around. Qualitan Xelas Executive Committee Member
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:47:00 - [59] PA are the biggest hypocrites in the history of EVE.
MeatHelmetz	Posted - 2005.07.29 01:11:00 - [60] Edited by: MeatHelmetz on 29/07/2005 01:12:15 You were logged in for several hours and not a peep from you. So far all I've had is accusations and abuse. The 5 mil from your monkey paid to me after abusing me has gone to greener n00bs than myself. I don't want a penny of it. I wasn't after a flame war. Just compensation for an anjust act of piracy. I've been pirated in the past by 'real' pirates, who don't hide behind set of corp values which are seen pretty clearly to be anti-pie, and have no gripes about it. I knew the risks and so forth. Originally by: Paladineguru Also please let me take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of OCC for othnark's behaviour Im afraid that in part this is my fault as at the time othnark read the charter he noted a part that said we do not tolerate piracy within our borders, I feel i may have been a bit lax in clarifying for him that that meant everywhere else too, and i assure you that proper compensation will be sent to you as soon as i log in , and that oth has been sent to the mines for a week as punishment.



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