Originally by: Rick Dentill

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A ferox is hardly a noncombatant ship. I do not know in detail the politics of who owns what space, nor the geographical locations that peopel inhabit. However a battlecruiser can still cause plenty much damage in the right place and time. And war/conflict etc is never pretty.

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Originally by: Rick Dentill

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A ferox is hardly a noncombatant ship. I do not know in detail the politics of who owns what space, nor the geographical locations that peopel inhabit. However a battlecruiser can still cause plenty much damage in the right place and time. And war/conflict etc is never pretty.

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Originally by: juduzz

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Your corp is negative standings to them,, so how can it be "an act of piracy"

negative standings= hostile, hostile= get shot at

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Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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Why did you edit out where you admitted that you held me to ransom?

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Originally by: Edoo

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....lying about being a non-combatant ship (you had a warp scrambler fitted)...

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Originally by: Mordineus

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Originally by: Edoo

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....lying about being a non-combatant ship (you had a warp scrambler fitted)...

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I am a bit confused here, is it now considered an act of piracy to carry a warp scrambler fitted to your ship? Is it the official posistion of the PA that having one fitted to your ship when in the same system as a member of a PA corp is an act of agression that will rightly result in being ransomed/killed ?

I would like an official posistion on this to clear up any future misunderstandings.

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Originally by: HonorHarrington

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PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners

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Originally by: M'Ar Duk

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Edited by: M''Ar Duk on 28/07/2005 17:14:02

Originally by: HonorHarrington

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PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners

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Seconded; they even use such charming tactics as false-flagging themselves as ASCN (painball), despite the visible 'Phoenix Alliance' tag above the pilot's bio. An excellent example of honesty and integrity!

And to the inevitable responders, yes, I know the actions of a single pilot don't reflect the entire alliance blah blah, I just don't care - the only PA I ever see are the ones in our space dodging combat pilots whilst looking for haulers, thus this may as well be the entire organzation.

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Originally by: Edoo

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Originally by: M'Ar Duk

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Edited by: M''Ar Duk on 28/07/2005 17:14:02

Originally by: HonorHarrington

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PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners

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Seconded; they even use such charming tactics as false-flagging themselves as ASCN (painball), despite the visible 'Phoenix Alliance' tag above the pilot's bio. An excellent example of honesty and integrity!

And to the inevitable responders, yes, I know the actions of a single pilot don't reflect the entire alliance blah blah, I just don't care - the only PA I ever see are the ones in our space dodging combat pilots whilst looking for haulers, thus this may as well be the entire organzation.

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The "false flag" tactic just shows you are desperate and lack talent in my opinion. I just saw some guy called "Garishwinner" from FCON corp with Xelas in his Bio in the depths of PA claimed space. Unsurprisingly he fled, but its rather sad to use a false flag labelling tactic in your own backyard no?




"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."

Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Jade Ro

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Keep in mind all.... ahem... its... only... a .... game... lol...
Although... PA has made this game suddenly a heck of a lot more interesting. ; )

I totaly agree PA is full of hypocrits and members who reallly dont live up to PA's "quoted" standards. I would say that would be most PA I have run across actually. Sad really. PA I am sure you have honorable members... lets see some action from you.. and .. not just in reply to this this small minor incident.

Jade Ro - CEO
Aurora Empire

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Your noob corp really shoudnt be posting on the forums. Noone has heard of you before and probably will never do so either. Its plainly obvious that you are part of JFs new "LETS START AN ANTI-PA BANDWAGON" strategy. Its so obvious that you should be embarrased to belong to such a puppet corp.

And to JF, my sig fits you perfectly.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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How can you label someone as a pirate when you believe there is no such thing as pirate. Basically you wear your badly thought out logic on your arm like a badge. You seem to revel more in your hypocricy than anyone else here.

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Originally by: Nataboo

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Very simple here PA. The only post that really should have been was 'We are sorry MeatHelmetz. Please let us know what was lost and it will be replaced. We at the PA do not practice piracy and strictly punish it. We can assure you that this won't happen again.'

Then you should have taken the offenders in their best ship and gave them a swift podding. How sad that JF is the one giving MeatHelmetz isk then the PA or the pilot.

These are the simple facts. And unless MeatHelmetz locked your pilots they should not have shot. You never know when you are waking a sleeping giant. But you guys are again good today for another laugh on how you handle these issues.

You guys must have a check list of what you can do to **** off the majority of players that can clean house.

* Declare an unjustified war .... done
* Kill non-combatants ....done
* ???????

I am sure others can ad to this list but come one, someone grow up in the PA. But I doubt that will happen, this will be proved by additional PA posts in response to this one.?

MeatHelmetz Contact me in game. I would love to assist you anyway I can. Some ISK (though I am a rather new char), etc..

Thank you,

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Originally by: Wraeththu

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Edited by: Wraeththu on 28/07/2005 23:33:00

Originally by: Darken Two

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How can you label someone as a pirate when you believe there is no such thing as pirate. Basically you wear your badly thought out logic on your arm like a badge. You seem to revel more in your hypocricy than anyone else here.

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One alliance declares themselves "anti-pirate". A member of that alliance then attacks another person on the guise of being a "pirate" due to having a scram fitted. He then ransoms the guy, which is (based on the criminal forum here on Galnet) considered a "piratical" action.

So, by Eve's definitions, a pilot who's a member of an anti-pirate alliance engaged in piratical activity, and used piracy as the reasoning to do it, in an area in which is alliance had no jurisdiction

Hence the hypocracy.

Substitude "Ninja" for pirate, and it's exactly the same thing. Pilot A is a member of an "anti-ninja" organization. Who then commences ninja activities under the guise of anti-ninja enforcement.

If it's still hard for you, I can just keep coming up with different jobs and classifications for you until it makes sense. I'm a big fan of education.

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Originally by: Edoo

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Please go away alt.

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Originally by: Nataboo

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Edoo,

Wish no ills toward you or anyone. Just a couple more things.
1. Good to know an apology was made, thought it wasn't.
(better to state that in the beginning)
2. Sorry if I was incorrect on the facts. I am sure you have been wrong before. (I am sure I may have been partially incorrect. not all though)

3. No need to call me names though by inferring that I am acting childish.

4. Don't assume that I don't know what I am talking about. You never know how much I know. (hey that kinda rymes)

All I was hoping to see is if the PA acts according to what it claims to value. I know I do, and my corp does. thats what matters.

best wishes,

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Melia Eleven

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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As a director of Jericho Fraction I can say we abhor this kind of thinly veiled piracy from an outworld alliance against novice pilots just starting out in the world. Mr MeatHelmetz has politely stated his case and we are going to take the opportunity to give him the sum of 22m isk to partially compensate his loss in the hope that he'll use the money to recover his economic independence and one day strike back against the hypocrisy of the Phoenix Alliance.

Have a nice day (cash transfered)

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You amuse me. I didnt hear you complain when you allied with mOo a well known pirate corp. I distictly remember JF stating time and again that there was no such thing as piracy. Did you just grow an opinion out of thin air because PA were involved? Oh and you refunded the pilot did you? Dont see you refunding all teh other noobs who lose their ships to pirates.

I see you are trying to get you bandwagon going again. And you contantly talk about how classy and stylish JF is on the forums. From your posts on this thread, I would say they were crass and uncivilised flaming.

You're trying hard to be Jade, too bad you'll never measure up because you just dont have the "class" or the "style".

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The ladies got a point. Now I'm askin the same question. Care to answer? Or are you going to spew the thesaurus and hope we all forget the issues at hand.

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Originally by: Edoo

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Ok im starting to wonder if you are a JF/Xelas alt. So lets put a few things straight, because you really don't have a clue.

Xelas declared war on us

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Originally by: Paladineguru

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Also please let me take this opportunity to apologize on behalf of OCC for othnark's behaviour
Im afraid that in part this is my fault
as at the time othnark read the charter he noted a part that said we do not tolerate piracy within our borders, I feel i may have been a bit lax in clarifying for him that that meant everywhere else too, and i assure you that proper compensation will be sent to you as soon as i log in , and that oth has been sent to the mines for a week as punishment.

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Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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Edited by: MeatHelmetz on 29/07/2005 01:12:15
You were logged in for several hours and not a peep from you. So far all I've had is accusations and abuse. The 5 mil from your monkey paid to me after abusing me has gone to greener n00bs than myself. I don't want a penny of it.

I wasn't after a flame war. Just compensation for an anjust act of piracy. I've been pirated in the past by 'real' pirates, who don't hide behind set of corp values which are seen pretty clearly to be anti-pie, and have no gripes about it. I knew the risks and so forth.

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Originally by: Qualitan

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I sure hope you're not believing your own spin. When all is said and done that delusion will be what kills the PA regardless of if Xelas is left around.

Qualitan
Xelas Executive Committee Member

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Originally by: Ly'sol

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Ok a few things that bother me about this whole situation.

1.) The claim that the offending pilots didnt 'know' about the charter and defending them.

Well. Ignorance is no excuse. OOC should expel those members from PA for violating the charter. It doesnt matter if the person was in the corp since the begining or joined 5 mins ago.

Second, the avoidance of responsiblity.


And third, the audacity of them thanking Jericho Fraction for doing THIER job.

Stop tripping over your own feet and take responsiblity for your actions.

Darken Two,

Matey i heard some very disturbing information about you. I dont want to call you out on the forums as its disrespectful, at least not yet. Ive taken you off ignore in the game, i would like you to do the same for me so i can find out what exactly happened.

Regardless of our cheap cuts at each other, i like yeah. And i want to hear what you have to say about it. Its in my opinion very serious.

Meathelmetz,

good job at standing up for yourself and not get mad or intimidated.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Jade Ro

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"You character is less than a month old. I suggest you not interfere in things that have nothing to do with you. JF and PA have a long standin blood feud, it wouldn't be wise to get involved in it, especially considering JF have a very colorful history of abandoning their allies when it suits them."

By the way, Darken Two - Gallente Generals Of Destruction Syndicate - The Forsaken Empire

Since when were you PA?

It is fun messin with ya... lol

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Jade Ro

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"You character is less than a month old. I suggest you not interfere in things that have nothing to do with you. JF and PA have a long standin blood feud, it wouldn't be wise to get involved in it, especially considering JF have a very colorful history of abandoning their allies when it suits them."

By the way, Darken Two - Gallente Generals Of Destruction Syndicate - The Forsaken Empire

Since when were you PA?

It is fun messin with ya... lol

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Hmm this is why I think you shouldnt involve yourself in this. Your corp is full of characters who just make assumptions about others and spew bullcrap on the forums. You dont even know anything about anyone in the north. As for me being PA, its not that difficult to check my employment history.

And you're not messing with me. You're proving to everyone that your are a complete and utter ignoramus who shouldnt be let out of their cage.

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Oh don't be such a grump mr Two. Everyone has a right to speak their mind. She's learning anyhow. Its not everyone who knows that the PA and FE are in each other's pockets

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Oh don't be such a grump mr Two. Everyone has a right to speak their mind. She's learning anyhow. Its not everyone who knows that the PA and FE are in each other's pockets

Anyhow, I'm glad the story of this thread has a happy ending and was glad to help out.

Have a nice day all!

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I can assure you that F-E and PA are most certainly not in each others pockets and until very recently GODS for certain was on almost war terms with OCC. So unless you pull ya head out of your rear and start using your mouth to talk I guess you should just stay quiet.

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Now I personally dont give a flying crap wether PA shot up some guy or not, thats their problem to sort. Just pretty weak of this guy to spread it all over forums.

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Darken, there is really no point arguing with JF any further, they have jumped into bed with so many different corps I doubt they even know what their stance on anything is anymore so they just resort to flaming every thread that features a PA or ex PA corp.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Jade Ro

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"You character is less than a month old. I suggest you not interfere in things that have nothing to do with you. JF and PA have a long standin blood feud, it wouldn't be wise to get involved in it, especially considering JF have a very colorful history of abandoning their allies when it suits them."

By the way, Darken Two - Gallente Generals Of Destruction Syndicate - The Forsaken Empire

Since when were you PA?

It is fun messin with ya... lol

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Hmm this is why I think you shouldnt involve yourself in this. Your corp is full of characters who just make assumptions about others and spew bullcrap on the forums. You dont even know anything about anyone in the north. As for me being PA, its not that difficult to check my employment history.

And you're not messing with me. You're proving to everyone that your are a complete and utter ignoramus who shouldnt be let out of their cage.

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Originally by: Jade Ro

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I take back my previous comment of respecting PA for giving back the money. After looking at the copy of that dialog, it paints a totaly different picture. Thank you MeatHemetz. PA your "apology" was a joke and a slap in the face for MeatHelmetz. Show me more proof... and show me Othnarks good reason... and your reason for your sorry excuse of an apology.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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How can you label someone as a pirate when you believe there is no such thing as pirate.

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Originally by: Edoo

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Most non-combatants don't have guns and a warp scrambler fitted on a battlecruiser

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Originally by: A conversation

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[ 2005.07.28 15:18:06 ] Edoo > theres nothing i can do about that sorry
[ 2005.07.28 15:18:13 ] Edoo > i have tried though
[ 2005.07.28 15:18:31 ] Edoo > he didnt know the rules

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Originally by: The Same Conversation

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[ 2005.07.28 15:25:22 ] Edoo > he was not acting under the alliance charter so we cannot pay ourselves

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Originally by: Again! So much fun!

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[ 2005.07.28 15:31:45 ] Edoo > then if have NPCed that much,surely money isnt a problem

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Originally by: Black Bill

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Edited by: Black Bill on 29/07/2005 17:56:15
The attack on MeatHelmetz wasn't in isolated incident, check this log from the PA boards

[ 2005.07.28 14:35:38 ] Fan3Spoitoru > ask them again
[ 2005.07.28 14:35:41 ] Fan3Spoitoru > i said
[ 2005.07.28 14:35:43 ] Fan3Spoitoru > i shot ua
[ 2005.07.28 14:35:47 ] Fan3Spoitoru > a deliberate atak
[ 2005.07.28 14:36:28 ] Fan3Spoitoru > I KILLED U ON PURPOSE
[ 2005.07.28 14:36:51 ] Ramireza > again : why you killed immemoria ?
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:03 ] Fan3Spoitoru > cose i have a f******* big DIC*
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:17 ] Ramireza > so PA shoot at neutrals in neutral space ?
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:21 ] Fan3Spoitoru > npo
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:22 ] Fan3Spoitoru > i do
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:31 ] Fan3Spoitoru > he owes me
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:33 ] Fan3Spoitoru > 20 milion
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:35 ] Ramireza > o_O
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:36 ] Fan3Spoitoru > from 30 minutes ago
[ 2005.07.28 14:37:45 ] Fan3Spoitoru > he damaged my crow
[ 2005.07.28 14:38:13 ] Deep Echo > lol, i was in a indy, how did i dmaged your crow ?
[ 2005.07.28 14:38:26 ] Fan3Spoitoru > you scratched it
[ 2005.07.28 14:38:26 ] xVx Moat > <br>you guys having a good day?
[ 2005.07.28 14:38:26 ] Gwen Horach > how? with his indy?
[ 2005.07.28 14:38:55 ] Fan3Spoitoru > talk to my ceo and sue me
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:04 ] Fan3Spoitoru > talk to the head of my allaince pls
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:12 ] Fan3Spoitoru > if u want u can talk to god
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:24 ] Ramireza > well, and they tolorate shooting neutrals in neutral space fan ?
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:30 ] Fan3Spoitoru > n
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:32 ] Fan3Spoitoru > o
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:38 ] Fan3Spoitoru > they are against it
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:45 ] Immemoria > scratched ? lol
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:52 ] Fan3Spoitoru > BUT U SAID THIS IS NOT PA SPACE
[ 2005.07.28 14:39:59 ] Fan3Spoitoru > so i killed him as i pleased
[ 2005.07.28 14:40:01 ] Fan3Spoitoru > kill me
[ 2005.07.28 14:40:06 ] Ramireza > well, PB wasnt pa space
[ 2005.07.28 14:41:24 ] Drommy > hmm me lost
[ 2005.07.28 14:41:30 ] Drommy > who'd ya shoot fan?
[ 2005.07.28 14:41:43 ] Fan3Spoitoru > some duide that sratched my crow
[ 2005.07.28 14:41:54 ] Fan3Spoitoru > he owes me money neaw
[ 2005.07.28 14:41:55 ] Fan3Spoitoru > 20 mil
[ 2005.07.28 14:41:57 ] Drommy > immemoria?
[ 2005.07.28 14:42:00 ] Fan3Spoitoru > yep
[ 2005.07.28 14:42:11 ] Immemoria > hi Drommy
[ 2005.07.28 14:42:16 ] Drommy > hey mate
[ 2005.07.28 14:42:44 ] Immemoria > this b******d killed my indy killed my pod, did pirating
[ 2005.07.28 14:42:52 ] Drommy > yeh so it seems
[ 2005.07.28 14:43:12 ] Fan3Spoitoru > yep
[ 2005.07.28 14:43:17 ] Fan3Spoitoru > that`s rthe word


drommy (ceo of SIRIO , PA applicants)

Edit to * out expletive i did't notice

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Originally by: Nataboo

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Truely this is very sad. I would URGE the PA to root out these rats among them. This does not help your case in your current conflict with Xelas. Humm, I don't hear of Xelas attacking non-combatants. I would imagine this makes the picture a little clearer.



Nataboo

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Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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@ Unknown Subject No full payment was made. 5 mil was after I was verbally abused in game


@ Mortuus I can't see what publicity I am trying to gain for this. I hadn't even heard of this alliance untill yesterday. Not btw it wasn't sorted out. An appology and repayment would have been just fine. Instead I was accused of being a pirate and more or less asking for it. Verbally abused and accused of being a liar. I would have been quite happy with an appology and a repayment of even close to what I had lost. How ever if the alliance had taken a stand by their member and said they concidered it to be a fair action I would have said no more. I was under the impression that the PA were anti-pie.

Thanks for the support of the few especially Jade, Nataboo & Jasmine

@ Mollari as a 5 week old play how am I supposed to know the protocols of which you speak. I asked the guy in question to stop killing me (in private convo) and even paid him the ransom.

@ Edoo this is how your guy "tried to appologise to me"

2005.07.28 15:29:45 ] Othnark > so deal with it
[ 2005.07.28 15:29:50 ] Othnark > u got eaten by a bigger fish
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:15 ] MeatHelmetz > I am a pirate????????????????????
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:27 ] MeatHelmetz > how on earth do you figure that out?
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:35 ] MeatHelmetz > +1 sec rating
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:37 ] Othnark > why the hell would u have a Named warp disruptor on while NPCing?
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:40 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 weeks in eve
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:42 ] Othnark > ok im positive sec too
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:44 ] Othnark > doesnt mean ****
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:15 ] Othnark > Type: J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:22 ] Othnark > look farmiliar?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:28 ] MeatHelmetz > so what?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:34 ] Othnark > so stfu
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] Othnark > you got owned by a better pilot
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] MeatHelmetz > did i even try to lock u?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:44 ] MeatHelmetz > lol
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:48 ] Othnark > thats beside the point
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:53 ] MeatHelmetz > u funny guy :p
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:58 ] Othnark > meh
[ 2005.07.28 15:32:00 ] Othnark > im done with u

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Originally by: Serilla

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Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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@ Unknown Subject No full payment was made. 5 mil was after I was verbally abused in game


@ Mortuus I can't see what publicity I am trying to gain for this. I hadn't even heard of this alliance untill yesterday. Not btw it wasn't sorted out. An appology and repayment would have been just fine. Instead I was accused of being a pirate and more or less asking for it. Verbally abused and accused of being a liar. I would have been quite happy with an appology and a repayment of even close to what I had lost. How ever if the alliance had taken a stand by their member and said they concidered it to be a fair action I would have said no more. I was under the impression that the PA were anti-pie.

Thanks for the support of the few especially Jade, Nataboo & Jasmine

@ Mollari as a 5 week old play how am I supposed to know the protocols of which you speak. I asked the guy in question to stop killing me (in private convo) and even paid him the ransom.

@ Edoo this is how your guy "tried to appologise to me"

2005.07.28 15:29:45 ] Othnark > so deal with it
[ 2005.07.28 15:29:50 ] Othnark > u got eaten by a bigger fish
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:15 ] MeatHelmetz > I am a pirate????????????????????
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:27 ] MeatHelmetz > how on earth do you figure that out?
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:35 ] MeatHelmetz > +1 sec rating
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:37 ] Othnark > why the hell would u have a Named warp disruptor on while NPCing?
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:40 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 weeks in eve
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:42 ] Othnark > ok im positive sec too
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:44 ] Othnark > doesnt mean ****
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:15 ] Othnark > Type: J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:22 ] Othnark > look farmiliar?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:28 ] MeatHelmetz > so what?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:34 ] Othnark > so stfu
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] Othnark > you got owned by a better pilot
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] MeatHelmetz > did i even try to lock u?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:44 ] MeatHelmetz > lol
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:48 ] Othnark > thats beside the point
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:53 ] MeatHelmetz > u funny guy :p
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:58 ] Othnark > meh
[ 2005.07.28 15:32:00 ] Othnark > im done with u

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This is my unbiased oppinion. I have acctually only had 1 to 2 meetings with the PA back in the day and dont really hate them or like them in any way.

In my oppinion it does not matter whether this guy had a named warp scrambler or even a uber PC slayer cannon of doom.. If this 'newb' meathelmet guy did not lock or make an aggressive action.. Or have bad standings it is a moot point.
There have been many times that during a war i have not changed out from my PC setup to a NPC setup just because i either didnt feel like it or i knew i could take the spawns without changing.

Did the PA guy know he had a warp scrambler on before or after he killed/ransomed him.
And if the PA guy knew before then does the PA go around scanning ppl's ships and considers you a pirate if you fit a warp scrambler?

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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I still don't understand why some guy from the Forsaken Empire is acting as the Pheonix Alliance's pet attack dog on media management issues. whats that all about?

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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I stand up for my friends. It amuses me that every time you post, you have to call me names just to try and beat me down. You are weak. You arguments are even weaker.

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I stand up for my friends. It amuses me that every time you post, you have to call me names just to try and beat me down. You are weak. You arguments are even weaker.

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Fancy a spaceship fight ... you and me, two battleships warp to a moon only one leaves? How does that sound? Or are you too "weak" for that kinda stuff? X-70 good for you, lets make a date?

(I'm slapping you across the face with a gauntlet here mr Two .. lets dance)

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/08/2005 15:23:51
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/08/2005 15:23:29

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I would agree. But I abhorr you too much to do even this. You can fight me when you see me. I respected Jade, but I won't extend you the courtesy of even a pre arranged fight.

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/me taps the universal communicator until it produces a sound vaguely like ... Super Chicken

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: ****take

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Is it me or is this perhaps the biggest "hijack job" of a thread in a long time?

If you actually read the entire thing you will find that MeatHelmetz had his problem resolved pages ago and there were only a few posts that were actually "on topic".

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Originally by: ****take

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Is it me or is this perhaps the biggest "hijack job" of a thread in a long time?

If you actually read the entire thing you will find that MeatHelmetz had his problem resolved pages ago and there were only a few posts that were actually "on topic".

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Admittedly most of us agreed the thread was over a while ago but after mr Two called me "weak" I just had to challenge him to back up those words in a spaceship fight ****take, I'm sure you understand that.

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Originally by: ****take

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Originally by: ****take

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Is it me or is this perhaps the biggest "hijack job" of a thread in a long time?

If you actually read the entire thing you will find that MeatHelmetz had his problem resolved pages ago and there were only a few posts that were actually "on topic".

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Admittedly most of us agreed the thread was over a while ago but after mr Two called me "weak" I just had to challenge him to back up those words in a spaceship fight ****take, I'm sure you understand that.

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I have an idea, why don't you and Mr. Two (as you call him) start a flame thread . . I bet it could go on for weeks, it would be entertaining actually

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Originally by: Mortuus

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Someone please just shoot this thread. Please

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Originally by: Maasu

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People who hide behind false pretences are often refered to as cowards. I guess this all comes back to the time when CyberDyne were doing the exact same thing way back when the PA vs BoB and chums started.

It's rather pathetic that you have not learnt from such a defeat and this is comming from someone, whom at the time, supported you.

If your gonna gank random ppl, then dont talk rubbish about honesty and integrity then talk about wanting good relations with others in the game. It's called hypocrsy.

There's nothing wrong with being a Pirate / Anti Pirate - so long as you dont just reap the rewards of such a stance and try to avoid the set backs by lieing and misleading, as ultimatley it will only lead to your demise.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Darken Two

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Originally by: Serilla

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Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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@ Unknown Subject No full payment was made. 5 mil was after I was verbally abused in game


@ Mortuus I can't see what publicity I am trying to gain for this. I hadn't even heard of this alliance untill yesterday. Not btw it wasn't sorted out. An appology and repayment would have been just fine. Instead I was accused of being a pirate and more or less asking for it. Verbally abused and accused of being a liar. I would have been quite happy with an appology and a repayment of even close to what I had lost. How ever if the alliance had taken a stand by their member and said they concidered it to be a fair action I would have said no more. I was under the impression that the PA were anti-pie.

Thanks for the support of the few especially Jade, Nataboo & Jasmine

@ Mollari as a 5 week old play how am I supposed to know the protocols of which you speak. I asked the guy in question to stop killing me (in private convo) and even paid him the ransom.

@ Edoo this is how your guy "tried to appologise to me"

2005.07.28 15:29:45 ] Othnark > so deal with it
[ 2005.07.28 15:29:50 ] Othnark > u got eaten by a bigger fish
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:15 ] MeatHelmetz > I am a pirate????????????????????
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:27 ] MeatHelmetz > how on earth do you figure that out?
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:35 ] MeatHelmetz > +1 sec rating
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:37 ] Othnark > why the hell would u have a Named warp disruptor on while NPCing?
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:40 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 weeks in eve
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:42 ] Othnark > ok im positive sec too
[ 2005.07.28 15:30:44 ] Othnark > doesnt mean ****
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:15 ] Othnark > Type: J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot)
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:22 ] Othnark > look farmiliar?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:28 ] MeatHelmetz > so what?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:34 ] Othnark > so stfu
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] Othnark > you got owned by a better pilot
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] MeatHelmetz > did i even try to lock u?
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:44 ] MeatHelmetz > lol
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:48 ] Othnark > thats beside the point
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:53 ] MeatHelmetz > u funny guy :p
[ 2005.07.28 15:31:58 ] Othnark > meh
[ 2005.07.28 15:32:00 ] Othnark > im done with u

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This is my unbiased oppinion. I have acctually only had 1 to 2 meetings with the PA back in the day and dont really hate them or like them in any way.

In my oppinion it does not matter whether this guy had a named warp scrambler or even a uber PC slayer cannon of doom.. If this 'newb' meathelmet guy did not lock or make an aggressive action.. Or have bad standings it is a moot point.
There have been many times that during a war i have not changed out from my PC setup to a NPC setup just because i either didnt feel like it or i knew i could take the spawns without changing.

Did the PA guy know he had a warp scrambler on before or after he killed/ransomed him.
And if the PA guy knew before then does the PA go around scanning ppl's ships and considers you a pirate if you fit a warp scrambler?

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The issue has been resolved and the pilot reimbursed. Why are you dissecting the issue now?

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Originally by: Lig Lira

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Can't we all just get along and shoot each other?

You guys have seriously inflated egos, stick a pin in your head and let your guns do the talking.

gl and happy shooting everyone

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Originally by: Lig Lira

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Can't we all just get along and shoot each other?

You guys have seriously inflated egos, stick a pin in your head and let your guns do the talking.

gl and happy shooting everyone

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Here's a thought for the day for you Lig.

Don't like fighting? Stay in a novice corp.
Don't like politics, stay off the forums.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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As a director of Evolution I can say we abhor this kind of thinly veiled piracy from an outworld alliance against novice pilots just starting out in the world. Mr MeatHelmetz has politely stated his case and we are going to take the opportunity to give him assuarance of 1 Corpse of the offender to partially compensate his loss in the hope that he'll use the corpse to stroke to recover his bruised psychological makeup and one day strike back against the hypocrisy of the Phoenix Alliance.

We will grab the corpse away from Flatliner, so that it remains relatively unmolested once we obtain it.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: Dafuzz

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As a director of Evolution I can say we abhor blah blah blah blah blah day strike back against the hypocrisy of the Phoenix Alliance.

Have a nice day.

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Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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I quote

"The Phoenix Alliance (PA) is founded on the principles of integrity, honesty, and representative democracy. The PA exists for the purpose of securing the welfare of its member corporations. The PA seeks good relations with all of the other alliances/factions within the EVE universe."

So have you now become pirates then?

I don't mind being pirated (it's part of the game) but hiding under a statement like the above is a bit low. Two of your pilots were attacking non-combatants last night. So would you care to give us a heads up on whether your Alliance condones random attacks on n00b non-combatants now.


Victim: MeatHelmetz
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Cygnus Alpha Syndicate
Destroyed Type: Ferox
Solar System: Thelan
System Security Level: 0.2

Involved parties:

Name: Serpentis Corporation

Name: Othnark (laid the final blow)

Security Status: 0.6
Alliance: The Phoenix Alliance
Corporation: Occassus Republica
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: 800mm Repeating Artillery I

Regards

Meaty

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Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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Do what you like but maybe you should explain yourself a little more. Paladineguru honorably sorted the whole thing out and this thread should have died with that. Why don't you read the whole thread.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Edited by: pershphanie on 16/08/2005 12:15:22

Originally by: MeatHelmetz

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Do what you like but maybe you should explain yourself a little more. Paladineguru honorably sorted the whole thing out and this thread should have died with that. Why don't you read the whole thread.

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ok. Rather than take up your grievence with a PA diplomat you chose to publicly slander them. Therefor I have decided your a **** and to set your corp to -10 for my alliance.

That clear things up?

On a side note I am tired of the PA being held to this unreasonably high standard. People get blown up and inncidents happen in every alliance. However for some reason every time a minor inncident happens with the pa outside aggitators blow it out of proportion. That's why I <3 my alliance. People expect us to kill them so they dont complain when it happens. Low expectations 4tw! And no one sets the bar lower than us.

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Originally by: Edoo

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He apologised and gave the ransom back.

But after lying about being a non-combatant ship (you had a warp scrambler fitted)

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Originally by: Dao 2

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if u ever ask for a thread to be locked inside the thread 99.9% chance it wont be locked! ;ppp wow o_0

yeah every thread ive ever seen that says 'plz lock' 'plz delete' never had such a thing happen to them ;p

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