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Paladineguru	Posted - 2005.07.29 18:29:00 - [91] Depends on where you are and what not, I know that PA usually attempt contact of some kind before just blowing an unfamiliar face out of the water in PA SPACE, though during times of war (such as now) we are more likely to shoot then pay for it afterword if there's any doubt, In regards to space outside of PA it is our stated policy to not target or fire upon neutral organizations unless they have acted in a hostile manner toward us first. While all will agree this is an admirable policy any large organization will tell you that making it a reality is sometimes difficult at best, theres always one or two bad apples in a bunch along with the mis-informed, new guys , and those with personal agenda's as for the above log with the HAOS member all i can say is that While i have a great and deep respect for the romanians, They can be a bit touchy when threatened, But they are an emotional bunch as prone to great acts of love and respect as well as terrible violence upon a percieved enemy, Any PVP organization walks a fine line with its pilots when it tries to hold itself to the ideals we have stated in our charter, by their nature combat pilots are agressive, fearless, and are often in situations that demand snap judgement that critics later pick apart on these forums, add to that that their are literally hundreds of such pilots in alliances the size of PA and others and you begin to get an idea of the amount of personal trust put in such people in that they represent a whole with thier actions even sometimes without knowing that or without realizing that their actions affect the image of all their bretheren. In general this Will lead to isolated incidents at times most especially during war time and after an extended period of peace which leads to boredom among combat pilots but i think that in the overall picture you will find that PA goes out of its way to prevent such incidents when possible, and to correct wrongs when fact finding finds us in the wrong. Im sure some in this thread will disagree and call us warmongering vace people, but asking around for pilots that have actually delt with us i think youll find we do about as good a job as is possible for an organization that contains hundreds of members of differing nationalities, languages and backgrounds and professions both in and out of eve.
Nataboo	Posted - 2005.07.29 21:17:00 - [92] Well spoken. Nataboo High Admiral Aurora Fleet
E'lucid	Posted - 2005.07.30 15:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Nataboo Truely this is very sad. I would URGE the PA to root out these rats among them. This does not help your case in your current conflict with Xelas. Humm, I don't hear of Xelas attacking non-combatants. I would imagine this makes the picture a little clearer. Nataboo I would like you to take note of one kaisresouza of Xelas that attcked & destroyed one of our members haulers,even though i have taken this matter up with his CEO & it has been resolved ( thanx btw) this goes to show that all alliances have members that do not obey the rules & it does not specifically represent the attitude of the alliance
asdfgasdf	Posted - 2005.07.30 16:42:00 - [94] Edited by: asdfgasdf on 30/07/2005 16:42:19 Edited by: asdfgasdf on 30/07/2005 16:41:55 i withdraw my post
Hepatitis	Posted - 2005.07.30 17:13:00 - [95] last i knew PA was not a pirate alliance. they even rejected an old corp of mine not too long ago because we pirated. we can not tag PA for what one member did. if one PA member/corp pirated, then all of PA must be pirates. wrong, you can not control the actions of every man on eve. ----------------------------------------- I am a forumaholic.
Serilla	Posted - 2005.08.01 03:14:00 - [96] Originally by: MeatHelmetz @ Unknown Subject No full payment was made. 5 mil was after I was verbally abused in game @ Mortuus I can't see what publicity I am trying to gain for this. I hadn't even heard of this alliance untill yesterday. Not btw it wasn't sorted out. An appology and repayment would have been just fine. Instead I was accused of being a pirate and more or less asking for it. Verbally abused and accused of being a liar. I would have been quite happy with an appology and a repayment of even close to what I had lost. How ever if the alliance had taken a stand by their member and said they concidered it to be a fair action I would have said no more. I was under the impression that the PA were anti-pie. Thanks for the support of the few especially Jade, Nataboo & Jasmine @ Mollari as a 5 week old play how am I supposed to know the protocols of which you speak. I asked the guy in question to stop killing me (in private convo) and even paid him the ransom. @ Edoo this is how your guy "tried to appologise to me" 2005.07.28 15:29:45 ] Othnark > so deal with it [ 2005.07.28 15:29:50 ] Othnark > u got eaten by a bigger fish [ 2005.07.28 15:30:15 ] MeatHelmetz > I am a pirate???????????????????? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:27 ] MeatHelmetz > how on earth do you figure that out? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:35 ] MeatHelmetz > +1 sec rating [ 2005.07.28 15:30:37 ] Othnark > why the hell would u have a Named warp disruptor on while NPCing? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:40 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 weeks in eve [ 2005.07.28 15:30:42 ] Othnark > ok im positive sec too [ 2005.07.28 15:30:44 ] Othnark > doesnt mean **** [ 2005.07.28 15:31:15 ] Othnark > Type: J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot) [ 2005.07.28 15:31:22 ] Othnark > look farmiliar? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:28 ] MeatHelmetz > so what? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:34 ] Othnark > so stfu [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] Othnark > you got owned by a better pilot [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] MeatHelmetz > did i even try to lock u? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:44 ] MeatHelmetz > lol [ 2005.07.28 15:31:48 ] Othnark > thats beside the point [ 2005.07.28 15:31:53 ] MeatHelmetz > u funny guy :p [ 2005.07.28 15:31:58 ] Othnark > meh [ 2005.07.28 15:32:00 ] Othnark > im done with u This is my unbiased oppinion. I have acctually only had 1 to 2 meetings with the PA back in the day and dont really hate them or like them in any way. In my oppinion it does not matter whether this guy had a named warp scrambler or even a uber PC slayer cannon of doom.. If this 'newb' meathelmet guy did not lock or make an aggressive action.. Or have bad standings it is a moot point. There have been many times that during a war i have not changed out from my PC setup to a NPC setup just because i either didnt feel like it or i knew i could take the spawns without changing. Did the PA guy know he had a warp scrambler on before or after he killed/ransomed him. And if the PA guy knew before then does the PA go around scanning ppl's ships and considers you a pirate if you fit a warp scrambler?
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.08.01 13:09:00 - [97] Originally by: Serilla Originally by: MeatHelmetz @ Unknown Subject No full payment was made. 5 mil was after I was verbally abused in game @ Mortuus I can't see what publicity I am trying to gain for this. I hadn't even heard of this alliance untill yesterday. Not btw it wasn't sorted out. An appology and repayment would have been just fine. Instead I was accused of being a pirate and more or less asking for it. Verbally abused and accused of being a liar. I would have been quite happy with an appology and a repayment of even close to what I had lost. How ever if the alliance had taken a stand by their member and said they concidered it to be a fair action I would have said no more. I was under the impression that the PA were anti-pie. Thanks for the support of the few especially Jade, Nataboo & Jasmine @ Mollari as a 5 week old play how am I supposed to know the protocols of which you speak. I asked the guy in question to stop killing me (in private convo) and even paid him the ransom. @ Edoo this is how your guy "tried to appologise to me" 2005.07.28 15:29:45 ] Othnark > so deal with it [ 2005.07.28 15:29:50 ] Othnark > u got eaten by a bigger fish [ 2005.07.28 15:30:15 ] MeatHelmetz > I am a pirate???????????????????? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:27 ] MeatHelmetz > how on earth do you figure that out? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:35 ] MeatHelmetz > +1 sec rating [ 2005.07.28 15:30:37 ] Othnark > why the hell would u have a Named warp disruptor on while NPCing? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:40 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 weeks in eve [ 2005.07.28 15:30:42 ] Othnark > ok im positive sec too [ 2005.07.28 15:30:44 ] Othnark > doesnt mean ** [ 2005.07.28 15:31:15 ] Othnark > Type: J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot) [ 2005.07.28 15:31:22 ] Othnark > look farmiliar? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:28 ] MeatHelmetz > so what? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:34 ] Othnark > so stfu [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] Othnark > you got owned by a better pilot [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] MeatHelmetz > did i even try to lock u? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:44 ] MeatHelmetz > lol [ 2005.07.28 15:31:48 ] Othnark > thats beside the point [ 2005.07.28 15:31:53 ] MeatHelmetz > u funny guy :p [ 2005.07.28 15:31:58 ] Othnark > meh [ 2005.07.28 15:32:00 ] Othnark > im done with u This is my unbiased oppinion. I have acctually only had 1 to 2 meetings with the PA back in the day and dont really hate them or like them in any way. In my oppinion it does not matter whether this guy had a named warp scrambler or even a uber PC slayer cannon of doom.. If this 'newb' meathelmet guy did not lock or make an aggressive action.. Or have bad standings it is a moot point. There have been many times that during a war i have not changed out from my PC setup to a NPC setup just because i either didnt feel like it or i knew i could take the spawns without changing. Did the PA guy know he had a warp scrambler on before or after he killed/ransomed him. And if the PA guy knew before then does the PA go around scanning ppl's ships and considers you a pirate if you fit a warp scrambler? The issue has been resolved and the pilot reimbursed. Why are you dissecting the issue now? Originally by:** Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2005.08.01 14:02:00 - [98] Because it highlights the issues PA has, same kind of arrogance issues that led to the GNW? I suppose some people think PA just might learn some day. Join Jericho!
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.01 14:08:00 - [99] I still don't understand why some guy from the Forsaken Empire is acting as the Pheonix Alliance's pet attack dog on media management issues. whats that all about? "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.08.01 14:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I still don't understand why some guy from the Forsaken Empire is acting as the Pheonix Alliance's pet attack dog on media management issues. whats that all about? I stand up for my friends. It amuses me that every time you post, you have to call me names just to try and beat me down. You are weak. You arguments are even weaker. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.01 14:51:00 - [101] Quote: I stand up for my friends. It amuses me that every time you post, you have to call me names just to try and beat me down. You are weak. You arguments are even weaker. Fancy a spaceship fight ... you and me, two battleships warp to a moon only one leaves? How does that sound? Or are you too "weak" for that kinda stuff? X-70 good for you, lets make a date? (I'm slapping you across the face with a gauntlet here mr Two .. lets dance) "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.08.01 15:05:00 - [102] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Quote: I stand up for my friends. It amuses me that every time you post, you have to call me names just to try and beat me down. You are weak. You arguments are even weaker. Fancy a spaceship fight ... you and me, two battleships warp to a moon only one leaves? How does that sound? Or are you too "weak" for that kinda stuff? X-70 good for you, lets make a date? (I'm slapping you across the face with a gauntlet here mr Two .. lets dance) I would agree. But I abhorr you too much to do even this. You can fight me when you see me. I respected Jade, but I won't extend you the courtesy of even a pre arranged fight. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.01 15:19:00 - [103] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/08/2005 15:23:51 Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/08/2005 15:23:29 Quote: I would agree. But I abhorr you too much to do even this. You can fight me when you see me. I respected Jade, but I won't extend you the courtesy of even a pre arranged fight. /me taps the universal communicator until it produces a sound vaguely like ... Super Chicken "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.08.01 15:25:00 - [104] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/08/2005 15:23:51 Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 01/08/2005 15:23:29 Quote: I would agree. But I abhorr you too much to do even this. You can fight me when you see me. I respected Jade, but I won't extend you the courtesy of even a pre arranged fight. /me taps the universal communicator until it produces a sound vaguely like ... Super Chicken Ok this is becoming too much of a ** flinging match between the two of us. I'm outta here. Originally by:** Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.01 15:40:00 - [105] Do let me know if you ever want to back up your words with action in space y'hear mr Darken Two Have a nice day "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Shittake	Posted - 2005.08.01 17:55:00 - [106] Is it me or is this perhaps the biggest "hijack job" of a thread in a long time? If you actually read the entire thing you will find that MeatHelmetz had his problem resolved pages ago and there were only a few posts that were actually "on topic".
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.01 18:03:00 - [107] Originally by: **take Is it me or is this perhaps the biggest "hijack job" of a thread in a long time? If you actually read the entire thing you will find that MeatHelmetz had his problem resolved pages ago and there were only a few posts that were actually "on topic". Admittedly most of us agreed the thread was over a while ago but after mr Two called me "weak" I just had to challenge him to back up those words in a spaceship fight *take, I'm sure you understand that. "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."*
Shittake	Posted - 2005.08.01 18:08:00 - [108] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: **take Is it me or is this perhaps the biggest "hijack job" of a thread in a long time? If you actually read the entire thing you will find that MeatHelmetz had his problem resolved pages ago and there were only a few posts that were actually "on topic". Admittedly most of us agreed the thread was over a while ago but after mr Two called me "weak" I just had to challenge him to back up those words in a spaceship fight **take, I'm sure you understand that. I have an idea, why don't you and Mr. Two (as you call him) start a flame thread . . I bet it could go on for weeks, it would be entertaining actually
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.01 18:17:00 - [109] Originally by: **take Originally by:** Jasmine Constantine Originally by: **take Is it me or is this perhaps the biggest "hijack job" of a thread in a long time? If you actually read the entire thing you will find that MeatHelmetz had his problem resolved pages ago and there were only a few posts that were actually "on topic". Admittedly most of us agreed the thread was over a while ago but after mr Two called me "weak" I just had to challenge him to back up those words in a spaceship fight *take, I'm sure you understand that. I have an idea, why don't you and Mr. Two (as you call him) start a flame thread . . I bet it could go on for weeks, it would be entertaining actually Sad thing is he never really does anything new. I kinda hoped I could get a fight out of him with the "Superchicken" theme tune but failing that ... lol, I'm baffled "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."*
Mortuus	Posted - 2005.08.01 21:05:00 - [110] Someone please just shoot this thread. Please

Dafuzz	Posted - 2005.08.01 22:13:00 - [111] Originally by: Mortuus Someone please just shoot this thread. Please Bang, Bang, Bang. There, happy now? -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2005.08.02 01:23:00 - [112] me/ hands Dafuzz some more ammo so he can shoot the thread some more Black Nova Corporation COO
Maasu	Posted - 2005.08.02 01:26:00 - [113] People who hide behind false pretences are often refered to as cowards. I guess this all comes back to the time when CyberDyne were doing the exact same thing way back when the PA vs BoB and chums started. It's rather pathetic that you have not learnt from such a defeat and this is comming from someone, whom at the time, supported you. If your gonna gank random ppl, then dont talk rubbish about honesty and integrity then talk about wanting good relations with others in the game. It's called hypocrsy. There's nothing wrong with being a Pirate / Anti Pirate - so long as you dont just reap the rewards of such a stance and try to avoid the set backs by lieing and misleading, as ultimatley it will only lead to your demise. ATUK, The Forlorn Hope of Corps.
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.08.02 06:32:00 - [114] Originally by: Maasu People who hide behind false pretences are often refered to as cowards. I guess this all comes back to the time when CyberDyne were doing the exact same thing way back when the PA vs BoB and chums started. It's rather pathetic that you have not learnt from such a defeat and this is comming from someone, whom at the time, supported you. If your gonna gank random ppl, then dont talk rubbish about honesty and integrity then talk about wanting good relations with others in the game. It's called hypocrsy. There's nothing wrong with being a Pirate / Anti Pirate - so long as you dont just reap the rewards of such a stance and try to avoid the set backs by lieing and misleading, as ultimatley it will only lead to your demise. PA weren't defeated by a 10 man frig fleet in a week were they? They fought against superior numbers and over a large area for a long long time, and in the end, are still where they started out. No matter what you think of them, I believe they have earned the right to set their own policies at the very least. As for hypocracy, you'll find it running rampant all through out the eve universe, its not a particular disease afflicting the PA. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Serilla	Posted - 2005.08.02 07:30:00 - [115] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Serilla Originally by: MeatHelmetz @ Unknown Subject No full payment was made. 5 mil was after I was verbally abused in game @ Mortuus I can't see what publicity I am trying to gain for this. I hadn't even heard of this alliance untill yesterday. Not btw it wasn't sorted out. An appology and repayment would have been just fine. Instead I was accused of being a pirate and more or less asking for it. Verbally abused and accused of being a liar. I would have been quite happy with an appology and a repayment of even close to what I had lost. How ever if the alliance had taken a stand by their member and said they concidered it to be a fair action I would have said no more. I was under the impression that the PA were anti-pie. Thanks for the support of the few especially Jade, Nataboo & Jasmine @ Mollari as a 5 week old play how am I supposed to know the protocols of which you speak. I asked the guy in question to stop killing me (in private convo) and even paid him the ransom. @ Edoo this is how your guy "tried to appologise to me" 2005.07.28 15:29:45 ] Othnark > so deal with it [ 2005.07.28 15:29:50 ] Othnark > u got eaten by a bigger fish [ 2005.07.28 15:30:15 ] MeatHelmetz > I am a pirate???????????????????? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:27 ] MeatHelmetz > how on earth do you figure that out? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:35 ] MeatHelmetz > +1 sec rating [ 2005.07.28 15:30:37 ] Othnark > why the hell would u have a Named warp disruptor on while NPCing? [ 2005.07.28 15:30:40 ] MeatHelmetz > 5 weeks in eve [ 2005.07.28 15:30:42 ] Othnark > ok im positive sec too [ 2005.07.28 15:30:44 ] Othnark > doesnt mean **** [ 2005.07.28 15:31:15 ] Othnark > Type: J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Fitted - Medium slot) [ 2005.07.28 15:31:22 ] Othnark > look farmiliar? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:28 ] MeatHelmetz > so what? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:34 ] Othnark > so stfu [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] Othnark > you got owned by a better pilot [ 2005.07.28 15:31:40 ] MeatHelmetz > did i even try to lock u? [ 2005.07.28 15:31:44 ] MeatHelmetz > lol [ 2005.07.28 15:31:48 ] Othnark > thats beside the point [ 2005.07.28 15:31:53 ] MeatHelmetz > u funny guy :p [ 2005.07.28 15:31:58 ] Othnark > meh [ 2005.07.28 15:32:00 ] Othnark > im done with u This is my unbiased oppinion. I have acctually only had 1 to 2 meetings with the PA back in the day and dont really hate them or like them in any way. In my oppinion it does not matter whether this guy had a named warp scrambler or even a uber PC slayer cannon of doom.. If this 'newb' meathelmet guy did not lock or make an aggressive action.. Or have bad standings it is a moot point. There have been many times that during a war i have not changed out from my PC setup to a NPC setup just because i either didnt feel like it or i knew i could take the spawns without changing. Did the PA guy know he had a warp scrambler on before or after he killed/ransomed him. And if the PA guy knew before then does the PA go around scanning ppl's ships and considers you a pirate if you fit a warp scrambler? The issue has been resolved and the pilot reimbursed. Why are you dissecting the issue now? Because the thread has not been locked and i have just read it :P
Serilla	Posted - 2005.08.02 07:34:00 - [116] oh and as the other guy on page five said about why we are discussing this and its all just flames.. Well yeah every thread on the board is lol. But anyway glad it was resolved. was just a bit curious and the post button is so easy to hit. Guess the topic didnt really matter to much IMO anyways. Only reason why i even felt like reading this was that it happend in empire. I dont think there are any pirates in 0.0.. thats how life is. But i think anyplace under concord law is under a diffrent standard.
Lig Lira	Posted - 2005.08.02 09:14:00 - [117] Can't we all just get along and shoot each other? You guys have seriously inflated egos, stick a pin in your head and let your guns do the talking. gl and happy shooting everyone
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.02 09:16:00 - [118] Originally by: Lig Lira Can't we all just get along and shoot each other? You guys have seriously inflated egos, stick a pin in your head and let your guns do the talking. gl and happy shooting everyone Here's a thought for the day for you Lig. Don't like fighting? Stay in a novice corp. Don't like politics, stay off the forums. Have a nice day. "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Darken Two	Posted - 2005.08.02 09:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Lig Lira Can't we all just get along and shoot each other? You guys have seriously inflated egos, stick a pin in your head and let your guns do the talking. gl and happy shooting everyone Here's a thought for the day for you Lig. Don't like fighting? Stay in a novice corp. Don't like politics, stay off the forums. Have a nice day. What politics? Jade discussed politics and tho she was a stubborn and annoyingly hardheaded individual, don't think Jade really ever resorted to personal insults. You on teh other hand, You discuss nothing, put out information that is blatantly false, and in most cases, just made up and as thge icing on the cake, if anyone questions you, you resort to calling them names. I'm unsure as to what you're trying to prove when you call people, "dogs","cavemen" or "superchicken". I have offered Jade a 1 vs 1 before because she was a worthy opponent. You on teh other hand behave like a child, and I don't shoot children. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.08.02 10:01:00 - [120] Please get back on topic, if you have nothing to say about the topic then please don't reply. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.




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