Tch, you'd deem me a mere troll?

I'll be a Drake pilot till the day I die. 1372 kills in them and going strong.

I am just lamenting the ruin of what used to once be a good ship to now being a second rate piece of trash. Of course I'll "adapt" (geez you guys are like a broken record), but the reason I am complaining is because I do not think adapting is possible after so much performance reduction. I'm sure there are others who feel the same.

no need to respond

Because skill should mean more than numbers.

They. Were. Not. Overpowered. They were the only ships with proper fittings and attributes to do their damn jobs. Now they've been nerfed to be the same as the rest of the crap they call for "ships". Why not pull those up instead, hmm?

I don't think you've ever fought Rifterlings (you don't show up on our KB), so it's understandable why you wouldn't understand how much the Drake means to us. You should really check it and see what we fight in those "keep at range and F1" Drakes before you level stupid accusations like that.

Tch, you'd deem me a mere troll?

I'll be a Drake pilot till the day I die. 1372 kills in them and going strong.

I am just lamenting the ruin of what used to once be a good ship to now being a second rate piece of trash. Of course I'll "adapt" (geez you guys are like a broken record), but the reason I am complaining is because I do not think adapting is possible after so much performance reduction. I'm sure there are others who feel the same.

I'm not sure how you're getting the "same tank" since the Drake got a flat out reduction to its base HP. It is also not only slower but less agile (more massive) and thus far more poorly suited for small gang PvP. On top of that, the "higher damage" claim is only applicable if you use HAMs, which is an exceptionally bad idea when fighting outnumbered, as it means you are probably close enough to not have any route of escape, and will likely just die an embarassing death. HMLs on the Drake are now worthless. Not only do they do significantly less damage, but the "buff" that Fury missiles received also made them be as bad at hitting things as torpedoes are, cutting off the only way to get even close to the same performance.

So, yeah, i'm really enjoying this "buffed" Drake.

The hurricane was one of the most broken ships in the game specifically because it was laughably easy to fit. Apparently CCP meant it to be an artillery platform, so its AC variations had a ludicrous amount of grid with which to fit largest guns + heaviest tank + dual medium neuts. On top of that, it was as fast as a cruiser with virtually no drawback to being so. If you wanted to pick a ship which was ruining small pvp by overshadowing most of the alternatives, the hurricane would be a good choice.

And it's hardly ruined. It's received a minor agility nerf, lost a bit of utility, and now you have to think about what you put on it and why you want those 425mm ACs rather than 220mms.

I keep coming back to this.
See, here's the problem I have: I check-fitted my primary Drake fitting last night, and found a 50% greater throw-weight with a less than 10% EHP hit, and a less than 5% velocity hit.

My Drake hits MUCH harder now than before. I was even able to dump my comically-expensive BCS units for some T2s, and retain almost all of the firepower buff. It's taken minor losses in maneuverability and toughness. Yes, I'm using HAMs. I was using HAMs before, too. Yes, it means managing your ship more intensely, but that's learnable. You're calling the result 'Trash." I'm looking at it and thinking: "Hmm. Interesting..."

Can't wait to take it out and test-drive it this evening.

I like what they've done so far, the drake and hurricane were good... A little too good. They stated in the dev blog that they couldn't bring all BCs to the level of the drake and hurricane, because that would make the cruisers they just finished balancing pointless again.

They needed to bring them down a little bit, and I'm personally glad they brought the other ones up.

When was the last time you saw a prophecy in game? And the myrmidon can now field 5 heavy / sentry drones 4, so its actually better than a vexor. edit: in the drone department

Tiericide is good for EVE, it brings more viable ships to the table, and from what I've seen opens up for a variety of fittings, and not the same old setups we've had for 3-4 years now.

Edited for being bad at math and conceding defeat to the obvious myrm flyers out there :)

terricide took most of the players choice out of the process of fitting the ships. Most of these ships only have one correct way to be fitted and/or used now - ships are missile ships or projectile ships shield ships, armor ships, etc. . . Possibilities for innovation have been removed/limited.

In case you didnt notice the new FOTM for bc's now is the brutix.

-Liang

No, really?

The Drake needed balancing.

Folks bitching today, in most cases, likely weren't around when the Drake was actually much, much tougher. Not including the far more recent changes to heavy missiles, there was also (if memory serves) a change to the shield recharge rate and another change to it's base shield capacity.

Like it or don't, and I'm a little PO'd myself, it still had to be done. Have a large alcoholic beverage to salute the "Days of Yore" and get over it.

What I find funny about it is he starts off ranting about how "some ships required skill to fly" and then goes on to say that nerfing the two most OP battlecruisers was a terrible idea. Heaven forbid CCP make other stuff viable to fight against his ship of choice.

So basically because two BCs got brought down to be in line with ALL THE OTHER BCS, small gangs have been nerfed.

And because some frigates were underpowered and got buffed, suddenly everything is no-skill "orbit and F1" PVP.

OP is whining because his ship of choice got hit with a nerfbat.

The really hilarious part about this is that it wasn't much of a nerf. From where I sit, it actually looks like a buff: Trade a bit of tank and velocity for the ability to punch much harder in-close. I win.

I didn't notice it at first because of who introduced the thread, but this thread is not actually about battlecruisers.

-Liang

I think someone may be getting what this is all about. Enlighten us, please?

So now that Drakefleet is no longer an option, what do the almighty always-right forum warriors of GD recommend that my corp use for FW roams?

Like it or don't, and I'm a little PO'd myself, it still had to be done. Have a large alcoholic beverage to salute the "Days of Yore" and get over it.