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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.08.06 14:44:00 -
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To the poster a while back that said that this is a nerf to the moros - heavy drones cannot deal damage to a control tower until the shields/armor are down on the control tower.
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Redblade
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Posted - 2005.08.06 14:45:00 -
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Well if this is an exploit then i'll be petitioning all the losses i have had in a Raven while beeing jammed and my fof only whent for the drones as it shuld be an exploit aswell.
And as we are allowed to discuss the GM's action in this case i would like to say that in some cases "common sens" isn't used in the decission prosess, in this case wouldn't it have been a better sollution for the GM to teleport himself to the said system and basicly told the attackers in local to scope there drones and dont use them unless the need for them is required to kill hostile ships untill a decission can be made about how to handle this problem.
And after that if a shield boost where in order to compensate for the drone problem add 20-30% and let the assult continue.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.06 14:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Ovaron
To example, in en Fantasy RGP , if you get the monster in a zone , who can't defend herself , and your are able to attack them without any danger. You would see this as an "normal" way to kill this monster?
And you are allowed to distract NPC's using light drons. And also against players, for example using light drones to shield against FoF's.
Why the hell is it suddenly an exploit when used against POS?
CCP can say anything is an exploit and you better obey or you will get a ban. It doesnt mean they have given a good reason or that it makes sense.
God mode for POS needs to end. But 5 need to stop whining about GM favouritism, Im sure it just makes the GM's less likely to listen to you.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.08.06 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Everyone has ALWAYS used Light Drones to draw fire.
Light drones against a jammed Raven.
Light drones in complexes to solo them.
Light drones from a cruiser doing lvl4 solo.
Whats the difference? It's just retarded, clearly. Whats even more retarded ofcourse is the POS got set to 100% shield, but none of the BS were returned.
Oh and please, you lads want to stop whining about the lag. Which retards deployed 100s of drones to lag us out in GW and then claimed it was a valid tactic? Add that to the list above btw.
Ollyy respond to this. Terradoct you too.
So far it seems to me like when Xetic gets under attack and lots of carebear subscribers threaten to leave over 'grief tactics' and stuff everything we do starts becoming an exploit or enemy shields start getting repaired a lot for no reason. Such as the previous time [5] wiped out Xetic a couple months ago. Remember the station shields... that was ridiculous. Kinda like this.
Supremacy Keepin it Real
Originally by: Daniel Jackson
PLEASE TELL US WHY, WHY DO U WANT US TO DIE,
I AM JUST GOING FRIGGEN INSAIGN
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.08.06 14:53:00 -
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If its an exploit, fine. Atleast learn to deal with it in a more constructive manner CCP. Just coming in then making an impromptu decision that it is not acceptable and restoring all shields.
How often have we asked for similar fixes when we have faced bugged CCP code resulted in NO WE CANT DO ANYTHING NOW SORRY.
TBH, we will get this station one way or the other. But you guys really need to work on your game and its "SECRET FEATURES" before you release this new content that doesn't work. And stop lying on main page about "NO REPORTS OF LAG WERE REPORTED"
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.08.06 14:55:00 -
[126]
OMFG [5] stop this whinning **** and get ower it. we all know you are using lag tactics in fleet battles and now you are doing it to a POS. its an sploit get ower it buy a dread and take the POS down and stop sploiting.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.08.06 14:59:00 -
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LMFAO at Lunas talkmuch.
"we all know" rofl talk about making generalisations.
Thought your buddy Cartiff said you guys were gonna stick to playing the game and not trolling threads.
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W0lverine
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
OMFG [5] stop this whinning **** and get ower it. we all know you are using lag tactics in fleet battles and now you are doing it to a POS. its an sploit get ower it buy a dread and take the POS down and stop sploiting.
go back to your mining op in yulai or I'll tell your dad
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:02:00 -
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I have petitioned a ship I lost (to Bob :) ). All I got as a reply from the GMs was that they never did anything when PvP was involved. Why do they come in and save some people but not others?
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:07:00 -
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All i sayd stop this whinning ****. when we tryed to take xelas POS down we had so many bugs. But we didnt whine about it on the bloddy forums.. THE GM is saying is a sploit, then is a sploit end...
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:13:00 -
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Quote:
THE GM is saying is a sploit, then is a sploit end...
So its a "sploit". Cool, we got it. Now its time to have these sploits defined to us before we run into them experimentally and our hours of planned activities in a game aren't just nullified because CCP forgot how to write a line of code.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
OMFG [5] stop this whinning **** and get ower it. we all know you are using lag tactics in fleet battles and now you are doing it to a POS.
No the lag is CCP's fault. Or are people not allowed to use drones in fleet? It would be simple to write some code that made drones one object for fleet battles. The fact that I get lag in high pop systems when *nobody* is at the gate is a joke.
The use of light drones against POS is an obvious tactic. My alliance has discussed it several times. Its CCP's fault for doing half the work and not accounting for obvious player tactics.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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W0lverine
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:13:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
All i sayd stop this whinning ****. when we tryed to take xelas POS down we had so many bugs. But we didnt whine about it on the bloddy forums.. THE GM is saying is a sploit, then is a sploit end...
why you whine bout your POS now?
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 06/08/2005 15:15:12
Originally by: Arimas Talasko
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Everyone has ALWAYS used Light Drones to draw fire.
Light drones against a jammed Raven.
Light drones in complexes to solo them.
Light drones from a cruiser doing lvl4 solo.
Whats the difference? It's just retarded, clearly. Whats even more retarded ofcourse is the POS got set to 100% shield, but none of the BS were returned.
Oh and please, you lads want to stop whining about the lag. Which retards deployed 100s of drones to lag us out in GW and then claimed it was a valid tactic? Add that to the list above btw.
Ollyy respond to this. Terradoct you too.
So far it seems to me like when Xetic gets under attack and lots of carebear subscribers threaten to leave over 'grief tactics' and stuff everything we do starts becoming an exploit or enemy shields start getting repaired a lot for no reason. Such as the previous time [5] wiped out Xetic a couple months ago. Remember the station shields... that was ridiculous. Kinda like this.
Let me respond to this, but in all honesty I just see that you guys are so ****ed you can't just admit something which was obviously an exploit can be considered as such (let me laugh with your so called "superior tactics"):
-raven against drones: if raven ain't jammed, he can defend itself. there is also something called a SMARTBOMB to help you. In current case the POS CAN NEVER DEFEND ITSELF. Is it clear ? You can put whatever guns you want, POS can't defend itself. There is 0 chance for a POS to win against a fleet using light drones.
-light drones in complex to solo them -> you are taking an example which is player vs npcs. In current case I'd like to remind you that POSs belong to players, so attacking a POS is PVP. You are completly off topic. I'd to add that the hundreds of npcs in a complex (sorry I only did a level 10 and lvl 5) would kill your drones pretty fast anyway. At a POS you can't deploy 100 sentries JUST TO KILL THE DRONES. (I put it in big in case you were trying to read one word out of 3)
-light drones from a cruiser doing a lvl4 complex solo. In this case you are again off topic, talking about PVE and not PVP. But I'll answer anyway: the amount of npcs + sentries are usually enough to kill the drones a cruiser can carry making the interest of the operation... quite uninteresting. you are also talking about 1 solo cruiser. Here were are talking about 40+ BSs launching hundreds of drones at a POS.
I will finaly add one last thing: the night when we took jv1, I petitonned ccp to know if the use of massive drones against POSs would be an exploit. Answer was they would wait to see it but recommanded NOT to do it. You had the opportunity to ask what CCP thought about your tactic and didn't do it. You lost time and work (and light drones ^^) but all by your very own fault.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
All i sayd stop this whinning ****. when we tryed to take xelas POS down we had so many bugs. But we didnt whine about it on the bloddy forums.. THE GM is saying is a sploit, then is a sploit end...
But thats the whole point. Calling it a exploit is outrageous. The fault is at CCP`s end for hireing ****ty testers. This "problem" should have been identefied before pos`s were released. I mean jesus, thats what game testers are for.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:17:00 -
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You had the opportunity to ask what CCP thought about your tactic and didn't do it. You lost time and work (and light drones ^^) but all by your very own fault.
So we are still Beta testing this game then?
Next time I undock, I might have to ask CCP if clicking that yellow tab at bottom left is an exploit or will I get banned for double clicking in space.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
In current case the POS CAN NEVER DEFEND ITSELF. Is it clear ?
What about the owner then, doesnt he have a responsabilaty?
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:19:00 -
[138]
So, this 'defenceless POS' of yours somehow still managed to blow up 3 of our BS?
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:20:00 -
[139]
the concept is buggy
Remove the whole POS-crap, make outposts use fuel, undestroyable like NPC-station and improve this game.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:22:00 -
[140]
gm madness
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
BRING BACK MMO CASINO |
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Genova Friar
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Redblade
Well if this is an exploit then i'll be petitioning all the losses i have had in a Raven while beeing jammed and my fof only whent for the drones as it shuld be an exploit aswell.
And as we are allowed to discuss the GM's action in this case i would like to say that in some cases "common sens" isn't used in the decission prosess, in this case wouldn't it have been a better sollution for the GM to teleport himself to the said system and basicly told the attackers in local to scope there drones and dont use them unless the need for them is required to kill hostile ships untill a decission can be made about how to handle this problem.
And after that if a shield boost where in order to compensate for the drone problem add 20-30% and let the assult continue.
I agree 100%, that would have been a far better solution than to p*** off 100+ people or wasting a day of their life for nothing; i think most uf us could have lived with that.
To call a new tactic a game exploit is one thing, to punish players for using it instantly after this with no further negotiation is another.
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
All i sayd stop this whinning ****. when we tryed to take xelas POS down we had so many bugs. But we didnt whine about it on the bloddy forums.. THE GM is saying is a sploit, then is a sploit end...
u clearly have nothing to add to the discussion so plzz stay out of the thread and let the ppl who actually have arguments on both side discuss.. and no u GM said so END OF story are not a argument.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
In current case the POS CAN NEVER DEFEND ITSELF. Is it clear ?
What about the owner then, doesnt he have a responsabilaty?
the POS was fitted to its maximum with turrets of all kind like i already said. Small pulse, medium autocanons, medium artilleries, large artilleries. A Fortress. Most large POSs ingame aren't as well protected as this medium one.
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
So, this 'defenceless POS' of yours somehow still managed to blow up 3 of our BS?
Without the lag you created with your "tactic", you wouldn't have lost a single Battleship.
Also, your killboard only has 2 losses reported =^.^=
Originally by: Genova Friar
I agree 100%, that would have been a far better solution than to p*** off 100+ people or wasting a day of their life for nothing; i think most uf us could have lived with that.
To call a new tactic a game exploit is one thing, to punish players for using it instantly after this with no further negotiation is another.
In current case the GM also noticed a bug with strontiums since they permitted only 2 hours of reinforced more instead of several dozen of hours.
This + the drone trick made the GM choose to reload shields. It was justified imo.
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Edited by: Elenia Kheynes on 06/08/2005 15:15:12
Originally by: Arimas Talasko
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Everyone has ALWAYS used Light Drones to draw fire.
Light drones against a jammed Raven.
Light drones in complexes to solo them.
Light drones from a cruiser doing lvl4 solo.
Whats the difference? It's just retarded, clearly. Whats even more retarded ofcourse is the POS got set to 100% shield, but none of the BS were returned.
Oh and please, you lads want to stop whining about the lag. Which retards deployed 100s of drones to lag us out in GW and then claimed it was a valid tactic? Add that to the list above btw.
Ollyy respond to this. Terradoct you too.
So far it seems to me like when Xetic gets under attack and lots of carebear subscribers threaten to leave over 'grief tactics' and stuff everything we do starts becoming an exploit or enemy shields start getting repaired a lot for no reason. Such as the previous time [5] wiped out Xetic a couple months ago. Remember the station shields... that was ridiculous. Kinda like this.
Let me respond to this, but in all honesty I just see that you guys are so ****ed you can't just admit something which was obviously an exploit can be considered as such (let me laugh with your so called "superior tactics"):
-raven against drones: if raven ain't jammed, he can defend itself. there is also something called a SMARTBOMB to help you. In current case the POS CAN NEVER DEFEND ITSELF. Is it clear ? You can put whatever guns you want, POS can't defend itself. There is 0 chance for a POS to win against a fleet using light drones.
-light drones in complex to solo them -> you are taking an example which is player vs npcs. In current case I'd like to remind you that POSs belong to players, so attacking a POS is PVP. You are completly off topic. I'd to add that the hundreds of npcs in a complex (sorry I only did a level 10 and lvl 5) would kill your drones pretty fast anyway. At a POS you can't deploy 100 sentries JUST TO KILL THE DRONES. (I put it in big in case you were trying to read one word out of 3)
-light drones from a cruiser doing a lvl4 complex solo. In this case you are again off topic, talking about PVE and not PVP. But I'll answer anyway: the amount of npcs + sentries are usually enough to kill the drones a cruiser can carry making the interest of the operation... quite uninteresting. you are also talking about 1 solo cruiser. Here were are talking about 40+ BSs launching hundreds of drones at a POS.
I will finaly add one last thing: the night when we took jv1, I petitonned ccp to know if the use of massive drones against POSs would be an exploit. Answer was they would wait to see it but recommanded NOT to do it. You had the opportunity to ask what CCP thought about your tactic and didn't do it. You lost time and work (and light drones ^^) but all by your very own fault.
ok i am not gonna try adn figure who said what and ****.. but at one point u guys say POS are using AI so u cant see em as a player object(PvP) then the next its a a player object and cant be compared whit npcs? what is it? clearly its using AI like NPC and should be dealth like that cause as u say it need to be able to take care of itself whit no player controling it... so u are kinda giving us right there
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
the POS was fitted to its maximum with turrets of all kind like i already said. Small pulse, medium autocanons, medium artilleries, large artilleries. A Fortress. Most large POSs ingame aren't as well protected as this medium one.
And did you go to the pos and help it? If drones mess up the guns then aid the pos with your own ships.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sir JoJo
ok i am not gonna try adn figure who said what and ****.. but at one point u guys say POS are using AI so u cant see em as a player object(PvP) then the next its a a player object and cant be compared whit npcs? what is it? clearly its using AI like NPC and should be dealth like that cause as u say it need to be able to take care of itself whit no player controling it... so u are kinda giving us right there
my dear... Who deploys a POS ? A player right ? So when you attack a POS it's PVP. It's player vs player, you are trying to hurt a corp or a specific player. You know it perfectly, you're just arguing it for arguing.
Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
the POS was fitted to its maximum with turrets of all kind like i already said. Small pulse, medium autocanons, medium artilleries, large artilleries. A Fortress. Most large POSs ingame aren't as well protected as this medium one.
And did you go to the pos and help it? If drones mess up the guns then aid the pos with your own ships.
There were approx 20 ships keeping the gate. And one very important detail: LAG. It was taking like 3 minutes to warp. Attacking the hostile fleet was like committing mass suicide. You are also arguing just for the pelasure to argue it seems.
anybody else got a concrete (and serious) argument to explain why drones should be allowed against POSs ?
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:46:00 -
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ohh and id like to pint out that the trick stated as "exploit" was the locking time on those where to long against its target rotating time.
Now take 150 frigs/intys whit nano and abs u will have ships taking even longer to lock? cause they got les signature radius then drones.... ? so if i do that take a fleet of 100+ intys and frigs to take fire for my bs or shuttles is that a exploit? i doubt that VERY much?
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Xthril Ranger
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Xthril Ranger on 06/08/2005 15:46:53
edit : nevermind
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Kar Brogan
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:47:00 -
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Unless things have changed massively since i was defending a POS (which granted was a fair few months ago) can you not:-
1-Fit small turrets which can deal with the drones?
2-Even better Aim the guns yourself which totaly removes any problems generated by the drones?
If both of these are no longer possible, then yes i could see this being an exploit, if either of these are possible then it is the fault of the defenders that their POS was so easly taken down.
Regardless, a 60% boost to the stations shields is a little extreem and highly suspicious given the quick time in which a GM has seemed to respond.Even if (as was previously posted) there was a bug with the reinforced mode, should not the shields have just been boosted up to their 'reinforced' state?
I think both sides of this are getting (understandably) angry, one side for being affected by a bug and (what apparently, with no warning) is an exploit, the other side for having hrs of planning and co-ordination destroyed by a potentially heavy handed and biased GM response.
The fact that this thread has been locked then unlocked indicates an investigation may well already be under way, so the best we can do is calmly wait for an official response
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.08.06 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
Originally by: Sir JoJo
ok i am not gonna try adn figure who said what and ****.. but at one point u guys say POS are using AI so u cant see em as a player object(PvP) then the next its a a player object and cant be compared whit npcs? what is it? clearly its using AI like NPC and should be dealth like that cause as u say it need to be able to take care of itself whit no player controling it... so u are kinda giving us right there
my dear... Who deploys a POS ? A player right ? So when you attack a POS it's PVP. It's player vs player, you are trying to hurt a corp or a specific player. You know it perfectly, you're just arguing it for arguing.
Originally by: Slaveabuser
Originally by: Elenia Kheynes
the POS was fitted to its maximum with turrets of all kind like i already said. Small pulse, medium autocanons, medium artilleries, large artilleries. A Fortress. Most large POSs ingame aren't as well protected as this medium one.
And did you go to the pos and help it? If drones mess up the guns then aid the pos with your own ships.
There were approx 20 ships keeping the gate. And one very important detail: LAG. It was taking like 3 minutes to warp. Attacking the hostile fleet was like committing mass suicide. You are also arguing just for the pelasure to argue it seems.
anybody else got a concrete (and serious) argument to explain why drones should be allowed against POSs ?
Player vs Player i say yes but we managed to frie the pos so wasent it up to u guys come safe it? ind the end whats killed it was that we used a way to minimise the dammage and u guys did nothing but pettion to stop it insteda of what u should have FOUGHT for it.
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