While 500K subscribers is impressive, and good for job security and the future of the game as a whole -- I really hope it translates into more hardware. Soon (TM).

I wonder what the breakdown between servers and games isGǪ

1 million+ in 2 years from now! The gamers playing bs mmo's have to grow up some time.

To be clear, the 500k number includes both our TQ and Serenity (Chinese) servers, but only includes subscribing EVE Online accounts, not Dust accounts.

1 million+ in 2 years from now! The gamers playing bs mmo's have to grow up some time.

Only possible because of how awesome our subscribers are. :D

But if they do that they'll lose their "inevitable win" blanket and actually have to deal with losing stuff.

Only possible because of how awesome our subscribers are. :D

Guess you never tried rolling on splinters in naxxramas, bindings in molten core or the phoenix in tempest keep... you should try playing an mmo where you can't just plex back what you loose.

"Subscribers" is wholly misleading. You do not have 500,000 subscribers but 500,000 accounts. In a game where multiboxing is heavily prioritized, this is an outright lie.

"Subscribers" is wholly misleading. You do not have 500,000 subscribers but 500,000 accounts. In a game where multiboxing is heavily prioritized, this is an outright lie.

Congratz on reaching the milestone CCP.

"Subscribers" is wholly misleading. You do not have 500,000 subscribers

"Subscribers" is wholly misleading. You do not have 500,000 subscribers but 500,000 accounts. In a game where multiboxing is heavily prioritized, this is an outright lie.

Not sure how many subs are in China, but lets assume all these numbers are on the same server. So there are 500K accounts and ~50K players online every day. This means each of us would have around 10 account. Man... this is serious boting :|

"Subscribers" is wholly misleading. You do not have 500,000 subscribers but 500,000 accounts. In a game where multiboxing is heavily prioritized, this is an outright lie.

So there are 500K accounts and ~50K players online every day. This means each of us would have around 10 account. Man... this is serious boting :|

What exactly constitutes a subscriber? If a pay for 3 accounts am I 3 subscribers? If so what is the number of actual paying players excluding their alt accounts? Is PLEX figured into those numbers?

Confirming that every single character in EVE is actually part of my vast alt network.

Guess you never tried rolling on splinters in naxxramas, bindings in molten core or the phoenix in tempest keep... you should try playing an mmo where you can't just plex back what you loose.

For most MMOs, this question is meaningless, as 95%+ of the player base only has one account. Very few would have two. But in in this game, it's not uncommon to have 3-6 accounts, it's kinda important.

Does anyone have survey numbers, or will we have to resort to anecdotes and hearsay?

500k subscribers (individual humans), or 500k paid accounts? There's QUITE a bit of difference between the two when it comes to EVE. Not in terms of income CCP gets from subs, but from the standpoint of the size and quality of game's actual population.

That can't be right, CCP employees aren't allowed to suicide gank (silly rule).

Hehe I was there for all of them. Plus the STR + AGI super rare MC ring also called "guild breaker" because the 2 times a year it'd drop, it was claimed by half the guild, each had accumulating 1 trillion DKP to buy it. Let's say that the loot losers would not take it nicely.

I'm only suicide ganking my own characters so it's all good.

EVE is dying.

"Subscribers" is wholly misleading. You do not have 500,000 subscribers but 500,000 accounts. In a game where multiboxing is heavily prioritized, this is an outright lie.

To be clear, the 500k number includes both our TQ and Serenity (Chinese) servers, but only includes subscribing EVE Online accounts, not Dust accounts.

I'm only suicide ganking my own characters so it's all good.

How many of the 500k are TQ?

I'm not going to provide any numbers about Serenity without specific approval from the people above me, sorry.

Not even for a cookie? :3

Confirming that every single character in EVE is actually part of my vast alt network.

I'm not going to provide any numbers about Serenity without specific approval from the people above me, sorry.

I call BS. Sorry.

Peak login is at what, 55-60k on TQ?

500K subs?

Yes it includes China but damn.

Not sure how many subs are in China, but lets assume all these numbers are on the same server. So there are 500K accounts and ~50K players online every day. This means each of us would have around 10 account. Man... this is serious boting :|

But if they do that they'll lose their "inevitable win" blanket and actually have to deal with losing stuff.

I'm not going to provide any numbers about Serenity without specific approval from the people above me, sorry.

..... and the inclusion of china in the numbers

Confirming that every single character in EVE is actually part of my vast alt network.

its called time zones... shesh... not everyone plays 23/7

I'd also like to know the percentage of those accounts that are alts. Should be easy as I recall they do ask for our address when we sign up.

I call BS. Sorry.

Peak login is at what, 55-60k on TQ?

500K subs?

Yes it includes China but damn.

I wont waste my time explaining why that's an illogical argument.

Let's just wait for CCP to release the figures...which they won't do.

I'd also like to know the percentage of those accounts that are alts. Should be easy as I recall they do ask for our address when we sign up.

I call BS. Sorry.

Peak login is at what, 55-60k on TQ?

500K subs?

I wont waste my time explaining why that's an illogical argument.

Let's just wait for CCP to release the figures...which they won't do.

Do we get free stuff?

What exactly constitutes a subscriber? If a pay for 3 accounts am I 3 subscribers? If so what is the number of actual paying players excluding their alt accounts? Is PLEX figured into those numbers?

My ship exploded, I docked and got a free piece of tritanium!

Yes? And? It's about the same PCUs we had the last time TQ sat at 400k+ subscribers. So where's the BS?

Good. Wasting time on trying to explain why black is white just makes you look silly. But then, so does posting things that look like rebuttals when they're actually not.

What figures are you talking about? The PCUs? We have them already. The subscription numbers? We have those too, fresh of the presses. Historical figures? Have themGǪ and without much reason to assume that the subscriber behaviour has changed in the meantime, we have all we need.

What is it you're after, really?

What we are after is the historical record of TQ subscribers. In other words, are TQ subscriptions growing, or not? Also is the player base for TQ growing, or not?

As CCP is not releasing these numbers it seems that they would cast the current game activity in a poor light if they did. They published the one number that made it look like the game was doing well, and hid all the ones that would make it look bad.

As CCP is not releasing these numbers it seems that they would cast the current game activity in a poor light if they did. They published the one number that made it look like the game was doing well, and hid all the ones that would make it look bad.

500k subscribers sounds certainly better than 500k accounts but its probably accounts.

You can probably run a ballpark figure for TQ, based on the PCU avg of TQ vs Serenity (since those 500K reflects the numbers that are currently subscribed).
It should correlate closely to the actual per server split which CCP isn't disclosing atm.

Welcome to corporate communication.

But yes, by the looks of it, TQ subscriber numbers are up significantly, roughly to where they were during the heydays of early 2011.

actually you cant, because TQ is spread over basicly the whole world (lots of timezones) while serenety is only spread over 2 (or 3?) timezones in china, so their subscription to PCU ratio is way different to TQ.

The PCU is near a record. And its up despite the war on bots. The last PCU record was set when bots were far more rampant than now, and were staying on en-mass 23/7. Its quite likely we have broken the record for peak concurrent Valid subscriptions.

Also the weekly PCU for Serenity is 25% of TQ, so the 400K / 100k split seems about right.

Not when you average it over 24h or even weekly/monthly.
You're after a reasonable ballpark figure, not accuracy to 3 decimal places.

Surveys ask about it, but I have never seen any numbers on it being published. The best guesstimates anyone has been able to offer is ~2 accounts per person, but that was eons ago and good luck not just finding the thread,

There isin Dr E's last QEN a statement that Eve averages 2 characters per account... don't know if thatwas what you were remembering?

With the price of PLEX in China at roughly abillion ISK I wonder if they have significantly less ALTs per character?

Now just don't ask me what that has to do with the price of tea in China

To be clear, the 500k number includes both our TQ and Serenity (Chinese) servers, but only includes subscribing EVE Online accounts, not Dust accounts.

Really, did you stop counting dusties in wardecs finally?

Well, the fact that all these ~500K players are playing on the same sever is awesome. We hate, love, kill, scam each other every day, but at the end of the day we are like a big family, something that you can never feel in any other mmo. Truly impressive!

What is it you're after, really?

Now I really want tea, its hard to get good tea in Iceland

I'm assuming all tea in Iceland is made from rotten sharks.

Only possible because of how awesome our subscribers are. :D

Not to downplay the achievement or anything but,

I suspect it's a testimate to how well changing Chinese partners has worked for them. Didn't the 450k mark come with a comment about how the change in partnership has resulted in more people playing in China?

It sounds like serenity is blowing up.

It suspect TQ didn't see a big jump and is still sitting around 350k, and it's Serenity that's seeing the boom and has gone from a little under 100k a few months ago to almost 150k now.


They don't have retribution yet do they?

Serenity will be the reason that EVE hits a million combined subs.


I think you guys should provide the numbers for both worlds if you're going to give the total.
You put a lot of emphasis on the "one world, one server" stuff, and I think it's only fair that you not lump us all together. It gives the wrong impression, and isn't really faithful to the spirit of EVE.

PS: Use the added revenue to get more devs to work on EVE please. Like say on expanding avatars so we can leave our ships. :)

ah, yes if you take the weekly average then it should be comparable

So as of 21st february taken from http://eve-offline.net/
TQ weekly avg : ~36.800
SR weekly avg : ~7.800

so serenity is actually only about 17.5% of the whole population, or about 87.5K subscribers, this would put TQ at 412.500 subs :)

It suspect TQ didn't see a big jump and is still sitting around 350k, and it's Serenity that's seeing the boom and has gone from a little under 100k a few months ago to almost 150k now.

Unless player behaviour has drastically changed for no apparent reason, the activity numbers wouldn't really support that suspicion.

If that were the case, chinese players have suddenly chosen not to play any more even though they're buying tons of accounts, and TQ players are suddenly playing a whole lot more without any corresponding increase in number of active accounts. Neither makes sense given how people have historically approached the game.

My anecdotal experience is that quite a few old corpies have returned to EVE over the last few weeks.

From what I've heard, from people who have access to Serenity, the server is throttled. More subscribers may not mean a higher PCU, because the server may not allow for more.

Do we have a chart for TQ's server activity from the month of december to now?

If this has spilled over into (re)activated accounts, that would mean an increase from 350k:ish to 420k:ish (again, assuming the normal player behaviour that has pretty consistently made PCUs and subs covariate for as long back as I have seen official numbers).

Where do I find the graphs for SR?

http://eve-offline.net/?server=serenity
Not nearly as neat, but the downtrend ever since the relaunch is pretty obvious anyway.

EVE is dying.

Not sure how many subs are in China, but lets assume all these numbers are on the same server. So there are 500K accounts and ~50K players online every day. This means each of us would have around 10 account. Man... this is serious boting :|

I wont waste my time explaining why that's an illogical argument.

Let's just wait for CCP to release the figures...which they won't do.

I'd also like to know the percentage of those accounts that are alts. Should be easy as I recall they do ask for our address when we sign up.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=serenity
Not nearly as neat, but the downtrend ever since the relaunch is pretty obvious anyway.

cool, but its a shame most of its not on TQ and they most all alts.

An alt is a paying account, thus exactly as good as another customer.

Keeping track of different people paying for the game instead of active accounts makes no sense.

Also, there are people (like me) who only have one account.

Only possible because of how awesome our subscribers are. :D

So with all these players being added over the years and the space remaining the same can CCP look at increasing the space we have to play in?

Most of nullsec is still empty.

So with all these players being added over the years and the space remaining the same can CCP look at increasing the space we have to play in?

agree but its controlled by empires where the little guys have no chance of taking any of it without there permission in reality

...but its controlled by empires where the little guys have no chance of taking any of it without there permission in reality

...also mining in high sec can be just as profitable :)

Great news for all of us :)