Concerning the Tristan, you appear to be doing it wrong.

It sounds like you're implying that a 3 neut afterburner setup is good. It's not.

Are you sure you're playing the same game?

Naglfar

Please don't change the dual weapon setup. If you do this then it makes the ship just like the others. The advantage of training for the Naglfar is that even if it takes you longer to master you can have the highest dps dreadnaught. It is a pain in the ass to train up 2 capital weapons so the tradeoff is you can have the highest dps. Eve tends to be "you get what you put into it" so if you put in the extra time u get more dps in this case.

DONT DO IT!!

And for the quick update to the plan, we are looking at adding 1 Powergrid to the Rifter in this pass. Let us know what you think.

It sounds like you're implying that a 3 neut afterburner setup is good. It's not.

Fiddling with 15 fits of mine the changes translate to about a
5% buff to the effectiveness of the rifter.

Like everything else in EvE it's situational.

Would I take it on a Null Sec roam with a bunch of MWD fit frigates? No.
Does it have uses outside that? Oh hell yes.

The issue with the Rifter is not fixable with 1 PG.
What role can you have with the rifter + 1PG that you don't have already? Is better than the slasher for it?
Despite the initial sarcasm, more PG is always good.
A few examples to fully demonstrate your statement would be a nice thing to have.
Otherwise, it seems you are only throwing more wood into the fire, nothing more.

*fitting stuff*

Neug

I have a genolution clone for frig 1v1. The extra 1PG allows me to fit a T2 armor plate for 5% more tank plus another 2% from the +50 armor.

Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Micro Auxiliary Power Core II 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Internal Force Field Array I
1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I 200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Rocket Launcher II

The extra PG allows a active armor rig increasing the speed of the following rifter by 5% without having
perfect fitting skills and without compromising tank in 1v1 scenarios.

Small Projectile Burst Aerator
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Auxillary Nano Pump I
Damage Control II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
1MN Afterburner II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
200mm AutoCannon II
Rocket Launcher II

The above fit is a very generic ab rifter fit. The extra speed should
translate to better ability to hold the right range during an engagement

Neug

and the +1 grid is primarily a small change to help make the common SAR+200mm and Focused Pulses setup less reliant on the Advanced Weapon Upgrades skill for newer players.

Fits

You're supposed to be balancing ships for All Level 5 skills. What is wrong with you?

i cant be the only person who thought of how high the volley on these nags would be with arty...

About the same volley as a phoenix but from a much farther distance...

You could use these things as anti slow cats for sure if you got far enough away....imagine like 20 of these things cynoing in 100km away from a slowcat fleet... you would only need 5 or 6 of em to volley a carrier.

so something like 4 carriers getting popped every 15 secs :D even 2 would be pretty cool

I didn't even know that Punishers are considered bad at 1v1...I always thought it was me being bad at eve.
With its monstrous > 9k EHP buffer tank I think the Punisher is a very forgiving frigate even in 1v1, that usually wins by outlasting the enemy instead of outgunning him

Some of you will notice that there are certain imbalances that these changes do not fully rectify (for instance the current strength of light missile speed fits

All the Rifter needs to get back in the ring is a speed buff or a mass reduction. I don't think losing its tracking bonus would be a good idea. Unbonused ac's don't track that well, which is why ac wolfs are a good target for certain ships. I think a double damage bonus would make the rifters selectable damage op and put us back where we were before the rebalancing. Yes, the other ships get a tank bonus, but isn't minmatars tank speed a lot of the time. Out running damage is part of it but mainly it's its ability to get to a position quickly where incoming damage in reduced and leave if the fight goes south.

Part of me thinks it should get a double-damage bonus just like the Rupture, Hurricane, and Tempest above it. Minmatar tank is a good part speed and signature radius, yes, but it is also simply killing the enemy as quickly as possible and warping out before the blob comes. Double-damage, combined with target painters which allow your weapons to track and hit better, can be a beautiful combination at range.

Fair points, although I would say that fights at frig level have a different character than cruiser, bc and bs level. Particularly in a close orbiting brawl where tracking is a much better damage bonus than a more explicit one. As to killing quickly before the blob, that is something I would ascribe to gallante than minmatar. I'd thought minmatar style is more getting into their blind spot and exploiting their weaknesses.

Does that gank power not come from selectable damage, hitting them hard where it hurts the most. It doesn't seem so much on paper put can shave thousands of ehp of your opponents tank. It's not completely selectable but still rewarding when you get it right.

Ed. if I we were losing the tracking bonus, I'd rather have a falloff bonus than a rof bonus. Bear in mind that a rof bonus would eat into your overheat time, which is especially important in a frig, where you are usually overheated for all of the fight.

In frigate fights, at least, the ten second reload time to switch ammo types can be a real killer.

Check their killboard and take a punt :)

The only mid fight switch I might do is changing to barrage or back. If i find myself with the wrong ammo loaded its better to persevere than waste 10 secs.



Ed the wolf needs an optimal bonus, but that's a topic for another thread

(Ccp Fozzie nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

i cant be the only person who thought of how high the volley on these nags would be with arty...

About the same volley as a phoenix but from a much farther distance...

You could use these things as anti slow cats for sure if you got far enough away....imagine like 20 of these things cynoing in 100km away from a slowcat fleet... you would only need 5 or 6 of em to volley a carrier.

so something like 4 carriers getting popped every 15 secs :D even 2 would be pretty cool