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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:31:00 -
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Tristan and Kestrel are already pretty studly ships. |
Garcia Arnst
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:34:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Firstly, I think the nag change is lazy. How hard can it be to change a missile hardpoint into a turret hardpoint?
A more important point though is the order of ship balancing. The phoenix is in a worse position than the nag right now because it can't be used to counter battleship fleets (which every other dread can). The phoenix really needs some attention (for example the tracking enhancer affecting missiles).
Also, if the moros is widely acknowledged to be way OP and to be in receipt of an incoming nerf bat, what's with the new NAG? You trade off a little tank and alpha for substantially better tracking and selectable damage types. |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
238
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:59:00 -
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Love the changes. The nag can be turning into the ultimate tracking dread ^^ with the burst tank of shield + slightly higher dps than a moros if fit right. |
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
527
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:32:00 -
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The only one of these ships that actually changed is the tormentor, I mean how is the punisher any different now that it has slightly more cap? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
675
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Posted - 2013.03.12 01:02:00 -
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Quote:Well I already answered this in my previous post. I'm not seeing cercers being used this way though. They are usually pulse fit and brawling.
If you think 40.5km (maybe 50km with some range mods) optimal is sufficient to use a group of coercers to kite other and probably faster ships in a similar manner as a group of 100km cormorants then have at it. I think you will find that that 50km differnce has a huge practical effect on the length of time you can engage in the tactic, or even survive with it.
I don't give a damn about what you see, because your point of view is only one perspective. On my end I see far more beam coercers than rail cormorants. In fact, I've seen a grand total of maybe two of the latter, ever, mostly used to drive out long-ranged plexers.
not every possible battle is a group of sniper destroyers being chased by a group of other stuff and having to inflict X damage before being tackled. Poorer damage means that it will be harder to kill something before it just warps out, unless you're working with closer-range tackle in which case poorer damage means that the tackle is likely to die before you can do anything about it. |
Lili Lu
716
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Posted - 2013.03.12 03:56:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:Well I already answered this in my previous post. I'm not seeing cercers being used this way though. They are usually pulse fit and brawling.
If you think 40.5km (maybe 50km with some range mods) optimal is sufficient to use a group of coercers to kite other and probably faster ships in a similar manner as a group of 100km cormorants then have at it. I think you will find that that 50km differnce has a huge practical effect on the length of time you can engage in the tactic, or even survive with it.
I don't give a damn about what you see, because your point of view is only one perspective. On my end I see far more beam coercers than rail cormorants. In fact, I've seen a grand total of maybe two of the latter, ever, mostly used to drive out long-ranged plexers. not every possible battle is a group of sniper destroyers being chased by a group of other stuff and having to inflict X damage before being tackled. Poorer damage means that it will be harder to kill something before it just warps out, unless you're working with closer-range tackle in which case poorer damage means that the tackle is likely to die before you can do anything about it. lol i don't give a damn about your perceptions either because they are only one perspective as well. I think I already addressed possible reasons why perceptions might differ in the faction frigate thread. It could be different theatres gal/cal or amar/minm as to why you see more coercers. Regardless, ccp has ship use stats. Would be good to know if they are seeing an abudance of certain types.
and when did i say "every" battle is sniper corms v everything else? I'm just saying I see a lot of it in the gallente/caldari area. which of course would make sense seeing as so many of those pilots are training caldari. Where you are so many may be training amarr. But I don't see sniper catalyst gangs kiting gangs that enter a plex. If things were less skewed one might actually see that. |
Bawb Zennshinagas
Pro Synergy Frozen Shipyards
0
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: The locations of turrets on an Enyo have been changed to display properly.
Just gonna note that the myrmidon has a blank turret spot now
Steve is sad. Nobody likes a sad Steve. |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
56
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:08:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Caius Sivaris wrote:Will you reimburse the SP I sunk in Citadel torps and cruise missiles?
I basically love the rebalance work, but I hate the impact on my SPs. The BC skill change will leave me with a Gallente BC 5 I have zero use for (I trained Gallente cruiser for angel ships, I have zero hybrid skills) and now the Naglfar changes will leave me with even more completely useless SP, that will still count toward my (stupidly expensive) clone cost. No they won't. Don't even start this **** again, we're still getting threads from the damned Orca changes. Also, in case anyone missed the point of my response: NO. They are not reimbursing skill points for skills that still exist in game (even if you, personally, no longer need them). They never have and (hopefully) they never will. The only time skill reimbursements are done (based on CCP statements and past precedents) is when one of the following two criteria are met: 1. The skill (and it's underlying mechanic are removed from the game) - Learning Skills 2. There is a fluke that results in the character having skills trained which no longer have any in game benefit. (Not sure this one has ever happened, but the planned destroyer/battlecruiser reimbursements fall into this category, according to the Dev Blog from Ytterbium.) This change meets neither of the two requirements above - the skill obviously will still exist, and it will have an in game benefit (just not to you any more).
Well, the fact that people have been complaining for weeks is possibly strong indicator that the politic is not well thought out. There is a lot of very wrong stuff going on, from giving the finger to people that didn't cross train (they don't get any free SP) to having people stuck with SP they have no use for, to people after the patch being able to fly ships they don't qualify for.
The skills changes themselves are mostly for the better, but the policies them around the are quite fucked up. |
Bizheep
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:25:00 -
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since you are V3ing capitals i think its a good opportunity to give a 3rd turret to the Nag, not doing that now its just laziness.
about frig rebalancing, i dont see how a +50 armor its going to fix the rifter, change the bonus give the thing more fittings because atm its just terrible compared to the others, i can understand you want to keep the utility high but its impossible to fit anything there with some tank, give it some fitting so you can fit mwd nos guns and either a medium SE or a 400mm plate and then it might be decent, or just change the bonuses (it have the same bonuses of the slasher) give it a 5% rof instead of damage and maybe a falloff bonus instead of tracking and then it might have a use.
i dont see any problem with the breacher it can hold its own against pretty much every other frigs not that +50 hull will make it OP anyway
the punisher like the rifter its ridiculized by the the merlin and incursus give it better bonuses it wont be able to hold its target solo but at least it might have an use in gangs
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Mourning Souls
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:39:00 -
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Rifter needs more buff IMO. Rest is good. |
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To mare
Advanced Technology
174
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:47:00 -
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Mourning Souls wrote:Rifter needs more buff IMO. Rest is good.
no, +50 armor will fix everything. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
676
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Posted - 2013.03.12 06:27:00 -
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Quote:lol i don't give a damn about your perceptions either because they are only one perspective as well
I never presented my own observations as evidence of balance.
Quote: If things were less skewed one might actually see that.
Gallente ships are by design based around blasters. Even still, rail catalysts have always been a thing. |
Luscius Uta
Unleashed' Fury Forsaken Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.03.12 07:00:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:De'Veldrin wrote: We could try starting a "Hybrids for the Phoenixes" charity and see how much traction we can get?
Thing is though, how would you make it different to the Moros, yet still make both useful? Bonuses to damage and optimal maybe? Or damage and shield resists?
Can't say I wouldn't welcome such idea, maybe even it would be good to introduce a second dread to each race, being more designed for fleet engagements than shooting stationary structures. One of their bonuses would be for tracking, optimal or faloff (or missile explosion velocity, if Minmatar one goes the way of Talwar & Cyclone) Second bonus would be defensive, so either resists or repair/boost amount. No damage bonuses, so they would have slightly lower DPS than current dreads but being more likely to hit other ships and have greater survivability.
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Sinzor Aumer
Atlas Research Group Aerodyne Collective
110
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Posted - 2013.03.12 07:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Madracoon wrote:What about the Moros doing a ton more DPS than the others? Because blasters? Blasters should be short-range, lasers - long range, and autocannons in-between. What do we have now? Let's compare range (optimal+falloff) for subcap and capital turrets:
Mega Pulse II (32 km) -> Capital Pulse (47.5 km) = +48% 800mm AC II (24 km) -> Capital AC (53.8 km) = +124% Neutron Blaster II (17.2 km) -> Capital Blaster (45 km) = +161%
I dont know if capital lasers are inferior, or both projectiles and blasters deserve nerf, but something is wrong here - as blasters having almost the same range as lasers is a nonsense. |
Goldensaver
Marsuud And Sons Industries
162
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Posted - 2013.03.12 07:31:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote: Well I already answered this in my previous post. I'm not seeing cercers being used this way though. They are usually pulse fit and brawling.
If you think 40.5km (maybe 50km with some range mods) optimal is sufficient to use a group of coercers to kite other and probably faster ships in a similar manner as a group of 100km cormorants then have at it. I think you will find that that 50km differnce has a huge practical effect on the length of time you can engage in the tactic, or even survive with it.
I wouldn't mind some Coercer buffs, personally. It's hard to fit, can only use its biggest guns in EXTREMELY gimped fits, and has a paper tank. But I never brawl in my Coercers. I prefer to turn on the MWD, drop the point, load Scorch, and apply ~250 DPS at 20-25km. Brawling is bad, because no tank is bad.
Lili Lu wrote:Don't really see it with Talwars. But then what's the common denominator of Coraxs and Cormorants? Yep. And no, I don't see packs of 50km Coercers kiting and sniping. Why don't you convice a bunch of guys to try it with you and tell us all how it goes.
My corpmates almost never use Coraxes. Something to do with everything the Corax does, the Caracal does better. But I don't know what it is about the Talwar that makes them use that instead, but they go crazy over it.
The only benefit to the Corax over the Caracal is that it's a destroyer (people will engage a destroyer when they wouldn't a cruiser, it can get in small plexes, and people will only bring a half dozen cruisers to kill a Corax, as opposed to the few dozen for a Caracal), and the 50% explosion velocity. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny Cha Ching PLC
114
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Posted - 2013.03.12 08:01:00 -
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To mare wrote:Mourning Souls wrote:Rifter needs more buff IMO. Rest is good. no, +50 armor will fix everything.
what it needs is more distintion from the slasher which has the same bonuses, number of turrets and a lot more speed.
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Volstruis
The Tuskers
12
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Posted - 2013.03.12 08:11:00 -
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I still think that ewar needs to be looked at. Kiting TD meta is a bit broken, especially in t1 frigate land. |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
229
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:08:00 -
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Callic Veratar wrote:Unforgiven Storm wrote:Ouoman wrote:How will the new Nag affect the current sov warfare meta? Aka cap blobs. Since:
(...) A Nag fleet as small as 40-50 alpha nags (...) If the hostiles escalated with supers and titans the Arty nags could theoretically blap a super or titan in 3-5 volleys. (...)
I'm not a cap pilot so this is obviously theoretical. Let me correct this: Assuming null sec and my area of space, if the we escalate with supers and titans the Arty nags will die to the DDs of 40-50 titans and the rest will die to the supers, soon after. I want to see this happen.
Already did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-l-QGC3g0 Official CSM 8 Campaign HQ * Unforgiven Storm for CSM8 * My Blog
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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
492
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:16:00 -
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Volstruis wrote:I still think that ewar needs to be looked at. Kiting TD meta is a bit broken, especially in t1 frigate land.
Yup. The main problems with ewar atm are
1) It costs too little cap. Like WAY too little cap.
2) Scripts are too powerful. They should be -75/+50 instead of -100/+100
3) They are too easy to fit
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To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:21:00 -
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Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:To mare wrote:Mourning Souls wrote:Rifter needs more buff IMO. Rest is good. no, +50 armor will fix everything. what it needs is more distintion from the slasher which has the same bonuses, number of turrets and a lot more speed. Yep i think the slasher should have its number of turret reduced to 2 or one bonus removed, so everythingwill be fine. |
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Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
35
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:19:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hello gentlepilots! It's once again time to start soliciting feedback on more ship balance changes! We'll be starting off our Summer lineup gently with some proposed tweaks to a few of the previously adjusted T1 frigates and a change to the Naglfar that was frankly a long time coming (and that I didn't want to create a whole new sticky for).
Naglfar Instead of requiring a complete redesign of the classic Naglfar hull to do our rebalancing, or waiting until our comprehensive Dread rebalance to touch this most glaring flaw, CCP Ytterbium decided that we'd get the job done using the tools available to us.
So we're removing both the two launcher hardpoints from the Nag (and two highs), and replacing them with a fixed +50% Capital Projectile Weapon damage role bonus that puts the two-turreted Nag on roughly equal footing with its three turret peers.
Are trying to say that your 3D artists are LAZY? |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Light Industries Sick N' Twisted
393
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:32:00 -
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Bagehi wrote:Rolling out a collection of tier 2 dreads with the alternate weapon system for each race would likely even things up with the tank preferences for cap fleets. That would work great for Caldari and Minmatar, but Drone boat Dreads for Amarr and Gallente? MODULAR DRONES
MORE ORE SHIPS |
Riapsed Alvilla
La Familia Alvilla
4
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:34:00 -
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Tormentor needs CPU not PG |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
250
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Posted - 2013.03.12 11:01:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Volstruis wrote:I still think that ewar needs to be looked at. Kiting TD meta is a bit broken, especially in t1 frigate land. Yup. The main problems with ewar atm are 1) It costs too little cap. Like WAY too little cap. 2) Scripts are too powerful. They should be -75/+50 instead of -100/+100 3) They are too easy to fit Silly ideas. EWAR is already nearly useless on unbonused hull and besides web, scram and TP, CPU cost is insane. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:56:00 -
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Mourning Souls wrote:Rifter needs more buff IMO. Rest is good. But then who do I call? Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Miss Miley Cyrus
Day Trippers
0
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Posted - 2013.03.12 12:59:00 -
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Can we cool it on the frigs already. I imagine this isn't all the changes but there are a lot more ships in order and if we keep doing summer sults on "already balanced ships" mad players will remain mad players. Maybe the whole "lets keep things a secret and surprise them" with t2 cruiser fixes isn't ideal. Tell us and people will stop complaining and come flocking back from ship spinning. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:06:00 -
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I don't think +50 armor is going to "fix" the Rifter, but I'll wait to see what happens.
I have a request:
In the interest of lessening weapon confusion (something CCP Fox Four had been doing), can someone please consider renaming the 800mm Repeating Artillery. It's not artillery. Thank you! "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:07:00 -
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Miss Miley Cyrus wrote:Can we cool it on the frigs already. I imagine this isn't all the changes but there are a lot more ships in order and if we keep doing summer sults on "already balanced ships" mad players will remain mad players. Maybe the whole "lets keep things a secret and surprise them" with t2 cruiser fixes isn't ideal. Tell us and people will stop complaining and come flocking back from ship spinning. Rebalancing is never a done deal, and as someone from CCP has said the days of balance and forget are over (I can't find the exact words or who said it though). Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
630
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Posted - 2013.03.12 13:16:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Miss Miley Cyrus wrote:Can we cool it on the frigs already. I imagine this isn't all the changes but there are a lot more ships in order and if we keep doing summer sults on "already balanced ships" mad players will remain mad players. Maybe the whole "lets keep things a secret and surprise them" with t2 cruiser fixes isn't ideal. Tell us and people will stop complaining and come flocking back from ship spinning. Rebalancing is never a done deal, and as someone from CCP has said the days of balance and forget are over (I can't find the exact words or who said it though). It was CCP Fozzie who said that Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
Alek Row
Silent Step
4
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Posted - 2013.03.12 14:40:00 -
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I really really doubt you will be able to improve the rifter / punisher without a bonus change / new role. One thing is to say "that the days of balance and forget are over", other thing is to make it real. 50 armor? 50 hull? You are fixing nothing with those, you are just throwing a bone, I'm not a fan of half-baked fixes.
Naglfar, I believe that those changes will improve it for sure (despite the laziness)
And since the metagame is always on the move and will never settle, I don't think you should mention it that much, it starts to sound like a excuse to not perform changes at a better pace. It's a valid reason, but still an excuse.
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