No the Nagalfar has a unique broken point. Split weapons systems on any ship is stupid and be thrown away on all ships immediately.

Why not simply alter them so that they are no longer broken? Split weapon systems will still exist on many sub capital ships, so do you also propose removing all of them?...

Only the revised Scythe will be sport a split weapon system as far as I am aware (Phoon is remade into an Armour Raven), provided that 'split weapons' still mean bonuses to two separate and mutually exclusive weapon types. Have seen some odd definitions of it over the years, so just wanted to carve it into the proverbial stone.

that damage boost hardly compensates for the loss of a utility slot and an extra weapon, even with these bonuses its damage output will still be laughable next to their 3 turret cousins

Uh...that's not how that works.

A 50% damage bonus to two turrets means you effectively have 3 turrets. You fail at math.

http://i.imgur.com/xNzo2Qs.jpg

this looks "interesting"

EXACTLY. The Naglfar has a unique selling point with the dual weapons and any changes to it will DESTROY that uniqueness and with it destroys a LARGE portion of EvE as well. I like the way it is now that is why I trained for it and not the other Dreads wich I'll considered main stream in other words BORING AS HELL. Just for example for the dual weapons the Cyclone still have it and that not bothers anyone why this one get scrutinized?

NAGLFAR is a sophisticated ship as EvE itself LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY.

While it's cute to have something all unique and hipster-ish it does absolutely nothing to help gameplay. Yes they could fix the missiles and it would be nice since the phoenix is all but crap- however since they haven't this is a welcome change.

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Pardon me, but I don't see how the Naglfar split weapon system change effecting gameplay itself. Since only 1 dreadnought / race there is no competition between these ships in the same ship class and race. Therefore any changes to the Naglfar weapon layout is on a weak foundation, in fact it sound like a poor excuse to trash something which worked fine for me and I have firm belief it worked for others as well.

(BECAUSE YOU AND OTHERS COULDN'T BOTHER TO TRAIN FOR THE DUAL WEAPONS OR ANY OTHER REASONS DOES NOT CREATE A JUSTIFIABLE POSITION TO THROW OUT THE CURRENT WEAPON LAYOUT)


PS.: To make this thread really fair, the only people who can leave comment and any suggestion to its content to be the ones who have the MINMATAR DREADNOUGHT SKILL on LVL 4

Pardon me, but I don't see how the Naglfar split weapon system change effecting gameplay itself. Since only 1 dreadnought / race there is no competition between these ships in the same ship class and race. Therefore any changes to the Naglfar weapon layout is on a weak foundation, in fact it sound like a poor excuse to trash something which worked fine for me and I have firm belief it worked for others as well.

(BECAUSE YOU AND OTHERS COULDN'T BOTHER TO TRAIN FOR THE DUAL WEAPONS OR ANY OTHER REASONS DOES NOT CREATE A JUSTIFIABLE POSITION TO THROW OUT THE CURRENT WEAPON LAYOUT)


PS.: To make this thread really fair, the only people who can leave comment and any suggestion to its content to be the ones who have the MINMATAR DREADNOUGHT SKILL on LVL 4

I don't know how many times I can say that. There's a reason capital pilots don't currently fly a Nag. And that's because it is terrible.

Because citadel missiles can't even hit a super carrier moving. It can't even hit another capital drifting in siege/triage.

So you have two weapons that can hit, and two that can't. The ship itself is completely broken.

I don't know how many times I can say that. There's a reason capital pilots don't currently fly a Nag. And that's because it is terrible.

You really shouldn't make assumptions. I can fly just about any ship below a titan in the game including the Nag, and use every weapon system.

I'm pretty damn well qualified to tell you that you are an idiot.


edit: aren't you the same moron that fought against Black ops BS having a larger fuel bay?

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The drifting issue you mentioned on other capitals which are in siege/triage again movement penalty from the siege module eventually come to a full stop. Supers or Titans after they jumping in pretty much they pilling on each other any unnecessary movement turn them into bump festival. Titans after using there doomsday it become immobile aren't going anywhere in a hurry.

"(Phoenix suffers most of this but doesn't makes it useless nor broken, at end of the day still the best DPS ship)"

rly?
looks like Vincent Gaines was right especialy if you "fought against Black ops BS having a larger fuel bay"

"I'm pretty damn well qualified to tell you that you are an idiot."

phoenix is a crap , no wonder it costs hundred mills less than the actual dreads

I want to add, that with the TE changes the Moros' range and tracking is going to take a huge hit, and I think even more than it would harm any projectile dread.

Tracking isn't taking any hit at all, and range really isn't that much of an issue for the Moros.

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My main issue it that a long time ago I thought that the Nag was the best looking ship in hte game so I created a toon with the sole purpose of excelling at flying it.

(the honest reason for having every Nag skill at lvl V is the reason anyone does anything in eve - Because I can)

even with a damage bonus you still handicap the naglfar to do less damage than its 3 turreted counterparts in what way do you consider this a fair exchange?

Did you just fall from a stupid tree?

How does this solve problems?

The problem is that rifter cannot kite blaster ships (incursus) on the end of scram range as it did before and as AC platforms are supposed to do. It is too slow for this and its DPS (and damage projection) is no more enough for this. Speed and DPS, two main causes.
Small autocannons (or at least rifter as AC platform) loose their superiority in versatility parameter to blasters loaded with nulls (especially ones coupled with a pair of ambit rigs).

I know that small blasters vs ACs balance is a complicated question, but now it is answered by CCP with noticeable bias to blasters.
My opinion that small blasters were OK even before boosts.

Hope you'll understand...

even with a damage bonus you still handicap the naglfar to do less damage than its 3 turreted counterparts in what way do you consider this a fair exchange?