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Smelly Muff
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:06:00 -
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Ok, so now you can protect your can and attack ore thieves. All the macro miners have to do now is leave their drones out while mining Ice and any ore thif will get blasted by drones..... while the macro miner sits at work/sleeping etc.
Saw another group of 3 ice miners in nooby corps with a hauler constantly dragging nothing from the can until ice that is dragged auto into the can appears. Leaving a bookmark in the can so it doesnt implode.
Petition...nothing gets done..they still carry on weeks after...oh well
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Necolycan
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:07:00 -
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Because drones are scary? Pfft.
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Douglas McCracken
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:13:00 -
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Cant see this change in the patchnotes
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:14:00 -
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Actually itll screw up Macro Miners.
Bring a Bs, Steal ore, Laugh as they agro 
Sure you can no longer steal exploited Ore but you get to blow up them up now 
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Oi Poloi
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:27:00 -
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Or better yet, the reverse:
1) Pop their can
2) put yours in place of it.
3) Wait till macro grabs your stuff
4) Profit!
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Oi Poloi
Or better yet, the reverse:
1) Pop their can
2) put yours in place of it.
3) Wait till macro grabs your stuff
4) Profit!
OMG quoted for truth...
This would be absolutely hilarious.
Macro mining 4tw!!!
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:29:00 -
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now if their indys had local hulls equipped ..... hmmmmmmmmm
CCP hurry up the dammn can patch!
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Smelly Muff
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:52:00 -
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I hadn't thought of that... If you take from their can and they attack you, can you defend yourself and blow them up without concorde killing you?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Smelly Muff
I hadn't thought of that... If you take from their can and they attack you, can you defend yourself and blow them up without concorde killing you?
If they attack you, yes.
Better yet, they take from your can, and you can aggress--even if they don't have drones!
All you have to do is empty their can, create your own, and when they take from your can as part of the macro, you own them. 
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:55:00 -
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ofc... but if your in a gank BS :P you could have some fun.. or better yet hope all of them aggro you and only the one that made the can gets concoorden :)... another alternative atm would be putting drugs in the can that they are currently using hehe... watch to see if there are any customs agents around however.
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:57:00 -
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Yea?
And how will you make them open your can?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.25 22:00:00 -
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im assuming the macro does it off the overview since the place elsewhere on the screen would be totally random... and since cans on the overview are not tagged with the owner :) you can follow on from there :)
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2005.08.25 22:07:00 -
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Do what that guy in the inty did. Bumpify them. It'll throw off the macro-code.
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Xachariah
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Posted - 2005.08.25 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Xachariah on 25/08/2005 22:29:32
Nevermind, found it...
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.25 22:32:00 -
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It's not in this patch, it's in testing
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Trevin Starwind
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Posted - 2005.08.25 22:33:00 -
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as i understand it u can fire at ppl who take from your can.. but if they shoot back they will get nuked by concord...
if thry could fire back unrestricted it would mean a while new to allow pirates in empire..
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.25 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Trevin Starwind
as i understand it u can fire at ppl who take from your can.. but if they shoot back they will get nuked by concord...
if thry could fire back unrestricted it would mean a while new to allow pirates in empire..
I don't think so, if you decide to fire upon a thief you have initiated the aggression and the thief will be able to defend thier ship.
As I read it, it's up to the miner/mission runner/NPC hunter to decide if he wants to start combat.
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Makotar
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Posted - 2005.08.25 23:02:00 -
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Ah, I see what some are saying, but what if...
BS drops a can for miner to put ore into, BS doesn't attack miner. Ore theif comes and takes out of the can, can you say light up his life?
Possibilities, and revenge. Risk vs. Reward now? Think so!
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.25 23:08:00 -
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easy solution. Mammoth has 5 midslots. 1 ab 4x racial jammers. Look @ the BS type. Oooh its a megathron. Megathron starts fires 1 shot. OMGF im jammed. Ore thief takes ore and runs.
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Alexis Ayala
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Posted - 2005.08.26 00:36:00 -
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Except that jamming doesn't always work.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.08.26 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Ayala
Except that jamming doesn't always work.
But 4 race specific jammers on the same ship, is going to work far more often then not. Its almost a certainty that you will get away.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.08.26 01:06:00 -
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Also, it won't automatically cause the person to go aggro.... They'll just be able to shoot you if they want to.
If someone can set up a macro which can automatically decide who has stolen from their can, and to start shooting them... I'd be mighty impressed :P
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.26 02:30:00 -
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u know it would be funny if the macro picked the wrong target and ganked one of its own ships.. resulting in it getting concoorden... would be interesting lol
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.26 03:26:00 -
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CCP's official stance is that if you profit in any way from the crime of macroing, you are an accessory and can be banned as well as the macroer when caught. So you arent supposed to be stealing macroer ore anyway. And you can sui-gank macroers, but you'd better not have an alt/team member take their drops. And CCP forbid that you run a protection racket on macroers. Yeah, that's right, CCP doesnt want you to prey on the people who deserve it, only on the honest miners trying to maximze their profits with the largest containers available. Go figure.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.08.26 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Actually itll screw up Macro Miners.
Bring a Bs, Steal ore, Laugh as they agro
Sure you can no longer steal exploited Ore but you get to blow up them up now
Only if they attack you first.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.26 07:11:00 -
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The macro program they use is based on colors. If you steal ore or pop there can, there not going to do anything different. All the macro program is doing is going "if there is a certian amount of grey here, this is a can, open it and put stuff in it"
"when orange bar at top is completly full, grab hauler"
None of your suggestions are going to work. They are not going to agro, the macro will just be stuffed until the person finds out.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.08.26 07:19:00 -
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for the ew on hauler thing, just launch the drones before, and have 1 cap drainer on - the drones will put serious dmg on the hauler, and the one cap drain will elt the hauler run out of cap cause he has to tank the drones, and jammers use much cap too.
so he will fail to jamm at one point
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.08.26 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oi Poloi
Or better yet, the reverse:
1) Pop their can
2) put yours in place of it.
3) Wait till macro grabs your stuff
4) Profit!
You good Sir, have come up with a Plan. Well done.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.26 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: TjanitN Tcroxlr
CCP's official stance is that if you profit in any way from the crime of macroing, you are an accessory and can be banned as well as the macroer when caught. So you arent supposed to be stealing macroer ore anyway. .
Thats why one have to petition macaro miner BEFORE steal their ore.
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Emarald Sween
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Posted - 2005.08.26 08:09:00 -
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i thought we already resolved this issue... go join MM killers chanel and report your macro sightings!!!
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.08.26 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: infused
The macro program they use is based on colors. If you steal ore or pop there can, there not going to do anything different. All the macro program is doing is going "if there is a certian amount of grey here, this is a can, open it and put stuff in it"
"when orange bar at top is completly full, grab hauler"
None of your suggestions are going to work. They are not going to agro, the macro will just be stuffed until the person finds out.
Wrong.
The programs that they use are based on figures, everything has to be set correctly before the program is configured for it to work, which is why bumping them about is the best way to stop them.
But if you tried to put your can there instead of theres, that WOULD NOT work as they have to open your can, but the macro is designed to work with an already open can.
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.26 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: TjanitN Tcroxlr on 26/08/2005 14:42:40
You are all assuming all macroers use the same, off the shelf, "Eve-Mine macro III". Some of these macroers use self-made macros that are really crappy because they are only programmed for mining and don't consider ANY of the what-if secenarios. On the other hand, I have seen a few macroers whose macro was so good that bumbing them out of range wqouldnt work because the macro well seek out the nearest roid of the same type and start all over.
My point is, while none of the above solutions will work in EVERY case, all of them will work in SOME cases.
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Rakasashan Endir
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:02:00 -
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only enables the owner to shoot without getting CONCORDOKENED himself.
Sounds like the ore thief can't fight back without getting concordokened, which makes sense. You steal ore, the miner has the option to shoot you. If you shoot back, you are escalating the crime and concord steps in.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:03:00 -
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if your shot at you always have had the right to defend yourself... afaik. Thats how its always been. Ie, with sentry guns etc...
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Smelly Muff
New anti ore thief patch will help macro miners !!!!
You sir, are spot on. Nasty name btw...
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Rakasashan Endir
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
if your shot at you always have had the right to defend yourself... afaik. Thats how its always been. Ie, with sentry guns etc...
In the past, the only shooting in 0.5+ that didn't result in getting concordokened was war or mission related. This doesn't exactly fit in with the previous model, and it may very well be handled differantly. I wouldn't be surprised to see threads whining about getting concordokened for fighting back.
It just wouldn't make sense to have such an easy out for killing in 1.0-0.5
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:16:00 -
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If someone shoots you in >=0.5 space you CAN help CONCORD because you are relatiating.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:21:00 -
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theres always ways around it. Introduce a newbie alt by proxy then. Get a 2nd acct or friend in a newbie alt to create a can and move the ore over to his can. Then just grab from there and move it into your can that you create. Can belongs to you now and whoever takes from it you can toast them.
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Rakasashan Endir
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
If someone shoots you in >=0.5 space you CAN help CONCORD because you are relatiating.
That is a pilot attacking a criminal, as flagged do to his/her actions. It's not hard to imagine it being differant for a criminal flagged player attacking the 'victim'
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 26/08/2005 18:15:01
nevermind...
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Krulla
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: TjanitN Tcroxlr
Edited by: TjanitN Tcroxlr on 26/08/2005 14:42:40
You are all assuming all macroers use the same, off the shelf, "Eve-Mine macro III". Some of these macroers use self-made macros that are really crappy because they are only programmed for mining and don't consider ANY of the what-if secenarios. On the other hand, I have seen a few macroers whose macro was so good that bumbing them out of range wqouldnt work because the macro well seek out the nearest roid of the same type and start all over.
My point is, while none of the above solutions will work in EVERY case, all of them will work in SOME cases.
Actually, I think you are being paranoid.
Of all the macros I have seen, they all base their work on repeative cursor movements (eg, moving ore from hold to can), or the color of a pixel on a predetermined location, after which it will initate a preprogrammed series of actions.
If the "macro" miner moves back to a roid, I think you are just being paranoid, and that is actually a live player mining.
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Rakasashan Endir
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
I honestly don't see how CCP will implement this.
So in 0.5 and above you steal ore, Concorde comes & smacks you? Or are you simply flagged, and the victim can fire, but if the Thief fires back heÆs concordganked?
The latter is how I read it. There was nothing in the article dictating that the thief may fight back without getting concordokened, and it states that all the flag will do is allow the (former) owner of the oar to fire upon the thief.
At any rate, that's just my interpretation of the article.
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Criminal flag pilots that take from jettisoned cans which don't belong to them
This is needed to allow the owner of the can to shoot the one taking from his own jettisoned can and to allow the owner to shoot anyone taking from the loot cans which drop from the NPC's the owner destroyed. This does NOT include a CONCORD response, only enables the owner to shoot without getting CONCORDOKENED himself. Could be applied to agent missions too, registering jettisoned containers to the mission owner.
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2005.08.26 23:09:00 -
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Interesting how CCP is promoting their own exploit.
jettisoned can were not meant to mine in them, but now CCP protects the jettisonet canned full with ore.
Quite pathetic realy
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Messerschmitt facility
Interesting how CCP is promoting their own exploit.
jettisoned can were not meant to mine in them, but now CCP protects the jettisonet canned full with ore.
Quite pathetic realy
They simply need to dis-allow ore to be placed in jet cans, and introduce a secure can with a similar m3...
Then apply these new rules to loot cans only, etc...
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Messerschmitt facility
Yea?
And how will you make them open your can?
Most advanced macros will open the nearest can by deafault..
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Messerschmitt facility
Interesting how CCP is promoting their own exploit.
jettisoned can were not meant to mine in them, but now CCP protects the jettisonet canned full with ore.
Quite pathetic realy
Once CCP give official suport it it no longer becomes an exploit.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.27 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Messerschmitt facility
Interesting how CCP is promoting their own exploit.
jettisoned can were not meant to mine in them, but now CCP protects the jettisonet canned full with ore.
Quite pathetic realy
It is not an exploit and has not been considered one for some considerable time (even in Beta). If it were, it would have been patched out ages ago.
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