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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 08:38:00 -
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Description of my idea:
In simple terms, show live gameplay by streaming the desktops of players.
The streams are not full-speed streams as atm it takes too much resources but I am still working on that, so instead a screenshot is taken every 5 seconds and is being sent to a media server of mine.
Users can then watch the live feeds by visiting the site and opening up the stream they want to view.
Interested in participating and showing your gameplay?
You need two things for this to work.
1. Windows Media Encoder - the software I use to capture the dekstop and send the live stream to my media server. Can be downloaded from my site or Microsoft's. It is freeware.
2. The WME script file - obtained via my site, hold the configuration to make it work.
Installation and setup should not take more than 5 min aprox and has so far worked without too much hassle, basicly install and run script file and press start and you're live.
The idea is to show not only EVE players what others are doing but also showing anyone interested what is going on, showing wars, pvp, mining, pirating and more.
I am sure that there will be more talk about this so I will do my best to make everything clear.
So for the viewers: EVE Live!
And for the streamers: Script Generation
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Filiberto
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Posted - 2005.08.30 08:50:00 -
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heading to yulai
I love the idea this is great.
hope other players wil join in.
did you make the site yourself cous it's really profesionall imo.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.08.30 08:53:00 -
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Very nice idea!
If i didnt spend so much time doing nothing these days id join in for certain 
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Gronslick
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Posted - 2005.08.30 08:56:00 -
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Much easyer to catc now:P
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Commander Stringer
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:05:00 -
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Sticky! Sticky! Sticky!
just rememeber NOT to have it active when ur setting up a strike force or some such..don't want ur nme's knowing about it 
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'Blow your own trumpet 'cuz no other fecker is going to do it for you'
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:09:00 -
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You own and deserve a sticky and a free beer during the fanfest.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Filiberto
heading to yulai
I love the idea this is great.
hope other players wil join in.
did you make the site yourself cous it's really profesionall imo.
Yes this is made by me. And hopefully yes others will join in as well, even if they just mine or do something they feel is silly.
Originally by: Neon Genesis
Very nice idea!
If i didnt spend so much time doing nothing these days id join in for certain
Well nothing can be something, if not it looks better to have some streams rather than none ;) But feel free to give it a try if you want.
Originally by: Gronslick
Much easyer to catc now:P
I didn't even know I was that hard to catch in the first place lol
Originally by: Commander Stringer
just rememeber NOT to have it active when ur setting up a strike force or some such..don't want ur nme's knowing about it
But DO remember to turn it on once you're set, I doubt I am the only one that would love to see some real wars/pvp without having to leave the safe carebear space of 1.0 
Originally by: Raem Civrie
You own and deserve a sticky and a free beer during the fanfest.
Beer... can't I get a coke or quafe instead, I wouldn't want CONCORD to bust me for DUI
Plus CCP can give me a free fanfest package so I can come enjoy it as well hehe
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Xendie
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:11:00 -
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drop that freecell game and apply glue over here mods
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Takedo
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:31:00 -
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very nice idea indeed, now lots of us have something to do at work... apart from working of course... :)
keep up the good work Chribba!
Takedo.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:53:00 -
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Awesome, how do we select users to watch?
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:55:00 -
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Nevermind... I see how it works now...
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:55:00 -
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Wow, this is a sweet idea. My boss went off for a meeting, so I had to tune in to see what you're doing  , pity you're only sitting in a station atm (hint hint, get out there and shoot someone!!!!)
This is a great idea in so many ways. There's a lot of times that people in my own corp are in the wrong place when a big battle is brewing. Best they can do is listen on TS as the results come in. With this, everyone can watch if they can't be there!
I can just imagine the viewing figures if this had been going when we aided Supremacy's invasion of Syndicate. Those 5 hour fleet battles would have been compulsive viewing!
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:56:00 -
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That's amazing!
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Palx
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:56:00 -
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Wow, this is one of the best ideas I've sen on the forums yet 
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:58:00 -
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Yarrr, I see Juduzz has a stream going now!
He's such an ebil pirate, he'll surely show us some shooting soon!
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:03:00 -
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wanted to see myself live but didnt work guess it kill my already ****ty connection to much :/
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
wanted to see myself live but didnt work guess it kill my already ****ty connection to much :/
You wanted to see yourself looking at yourself? hehe :)
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Edge1
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:11:00 -
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Very cool Chribba.
I have just been watching a feed for a few minutes, and have realised that the streaming shows all action made by them on the computer (ie I can see them browsing the net during warps etc).
Is there a way for the streaming to be solely of Eve footage?
It may be more appealing to people wanting to stream footage if they dont have to worry/turn off eve-live, everytime they want to do something else during warp etc.
But very cool 
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Edge1
Very cool Chribba.
I have just been watching a feed for a few minutes, and have realised that the streaming shows all action made by them on the computer (ie I can see them browsing the net during warps etc).
Is there a way for the streaming to be solely of Eve footage?
It may be more appealing to people wanting to stream footage if they dont have to worry/turn off eve-live, everytime they want to do something else during warp etc.
But very cool
There is, but I haven't found it working like I wanted it to, hence why it's set to capture the full screen.
In WME you can specify the window that should be captured but like said, it doesn't work like it is supposed and I haven't figured out how to get that working (if it is possible) and I do agree with the interest of seeing someone browse the eve forums while warp etc.
Hopefully I can overcome the problem and present a working solution for it.
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Sumica
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:21:00 -
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Simple way to prevent showing your raid, make it not quite live.
Put a 10 min delay on it or somthing kind of like the LAX website dose with it's airtrafic tracker.
Altho No clue how you would do such a thing, but not sure you could live feed a vid from eve to a site and still have any bandwidth to play eve.
Your not stupid just misinformed Ö
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sumica
Simple way to prevent showing your raid, make it not quite live.
Put a 10 min delay on it or somthing kind of like the LAX website dose with it's airtrafic tracker.
Altho No clue how you would do such a thing, but not sure you could live feed a vid from eve to a site and still have any bandwidth to play eve.
It isn't 100% real-time now, usually around 1-2 min delay in the feed.
Aprox bandwidth is 20-30kb/s so most people with at least 512kbit links should be able to stream without any problem.
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DonTrump
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:28:00 -
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Cool idea, and your search works awsome.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: DonTrump
Cool idea, and your search works awsome.
Thanks :)
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:39:00 -
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I was having problems, then I worked out what it was. I was connected to one of my customers VPNs and everything was being routed through the VPN (ah crap). Wasted some bandwidth :)
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 30/08/2005 10:52:53
Looks very good
Few recommendations:
- Can you get into one of these truly 'neutral' reporting corps, like Eve Radio or the such? Would be a lot easier for you to get into massive fleet battles.
- Delay the feed by 5 mins if possible, especially during fleet battles.
- Get someone to add commentary to these large events.
- Archive some of the better feeds?
- Increase frame-rate for some of the better engagements.
- Get some advertising on your site to pay for all that bandwidth.
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:58:00 -
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nice
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JOSEPHx
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: JOSEPHx on 30/08/2005 10:59:39
Chribba you are a genius, you made me do a sex wee.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:00:00 -
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Wonder how long it takes until someone forgets he's streaming and we see **** :P
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Kye Kenshin
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:32:00 -
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This is cool
I tried out myself but it felt weird thinking people were watching me like i was a cam ***** or something.
I think ill reserve this for when pvp arises. People find out too much about you when you go about your daily business. As everyone knows i do lvl1 missions in a mega now!
But anyway a really good idea
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LoxyRider
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:37:00 -
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Its a very cool idea, the only problem is there are obviously people i dont want watching hehe. Is there anyway to setup like private groups, if i wanted to share my stream with just my corp/alliance/select friends rather then everyone including the enemy hehe.
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Squelch
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:37:00 -
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I wonder who'll be first to get caught with goat **** minimised?
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 30/08/2005 10:52:53
Looks very good
Few recommendations:
- Can you get into one of these truly 'neutral' reporting corps, like Eve Radio or the such? Would be a lot easier for you to get into massive fleet battles.
- Delay the feed by 5 mins if possible, especially during fleet battles.
- Get someone to add commentary to these large events.
- Archive some of the better feeds?
- Increase frame-rate for some of the better engagements.
- Get some advertising on your site to pay for all that bandwidth.
You seriously want me to leave my big alliance for a neutral news corp? lol (but hey anyone wanting to stream can do it)
Not sure I can delay it based on minutes but maybe I can set some option in the server.
Both better speed and audio can easily be set by the streamer, reason I set the values I have is because of my own limitations on my eve box and bandwidth, we can modify when needed.
Ads or a donate-o-meter or something most likely but that's future plans if so.
Thank you :)
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: LoxyRider
Its a very cool idea, the only problem is there are obviously people i dont want watching hehe. Is there anyway to setup like private groups, if i wanted to share my stream with just my corp/alliance/select friends rather then everyone including the enemy hehe.
Yes it can be done, altho anyone basicly could view the stream if they know the URL to it. So yes it can easily be done so you and your friends can view it without it showing on the site.
As for enemy issues, Ikvar mentioned he did not want to reveal his location etc when doing things so I made a small program that you can use to hide parts of your screen (of course you won't see the parts yourself but anyway), blocking out systemname etc.
You can get it here. It is ugly as hell but does the job (so far).
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Kenshin
This is cool
I tried out myself but it felt weird thinking people were watching me like i was a cam ***** or something.
I think ill reserve this for when pvp arises. People find out too much about you when you go about your daily business. As everyone knows i do lvl1 missions in a mega now!
But anyway a really good idea
I got nothing to hide... DO YOU!?! hehe
Originally by: Squelch
I wonder who'll be first to get caught with goat **** minimised?
I hope none, for their sake and mine for streaming such content.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:57:00 -
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i will fire it up when i get home but dont expect me to run it during contracts for obvious reasons, though i may just fire it up so u can all watch me blow some peeps up.
Whats the lag like though? I run a 2meg ADSL will i notice any kinda lag as i most definitely cant have that
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Whats the lag like though? I run a 2meg ADSL will i notice any kinda lag as i most definitely cant have that
Hopefully you won't notice it but I can't vouch for everybody, maybe I am spoiled with my uplinks ;)
Maybe 20-30kb/s. So you should have at least 80% if not more of your bandwidth left. As for CPU usage shouldn't be much at all since it uses 0.2fps
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RobW1
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:09:00 -
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Why am I getting a thing saying "test feed" ?
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Azeusus
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:24:00 -
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sweet stuff, top work, be nice watching this through developments
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: RobW1
Why am I getting a thing saying "test feed" ?
Because I didn't want to stream my desktop while TQ was down, so I decided to put that lame thing there :)
Streams are now back.
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RobW1
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:42:00 -
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hehe i see - thanks, the site is great (from work).
Now I'll need to install the encoder when i get home :)
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Akhual
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:53:00 -
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Superb idea...
If there was a delay option so it owuld show what you did 1 hour ago I'd definatly offer myself for streaming -
Althgouh not sure anyone would want to see me lose yet another destroyer to a coverter, lol... (Damn lack of skills, heh)
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akhual
Superb idea...
If there was a delay option so it owuld show what you did 1 hour ago I'd definatly offer myself for streaming -
Althgouh not sure anyone would want to see me lose yet another destroyer to a coverter, lol... (Damn lack of skills, heh)
I will look into it and see if I can find a delay (buffer) time option, the risk that I can think of right away may be that if you start now and have the delay of 1 hour, the actual stream will not be available to view until an hour later. Dunno if this would cause any problem or not but I will look into it.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:14:00 -
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This was done with Final Fantasy XI, being able to watch live in the game. The camera would switch to various locations, even had cinematic-style camera paths to follow so it would pan around something interesting while the players went around and did their business.
Very cool idea.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:16:00 -
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Oh, to add.
I had an idea once that there would be regional news available through the gate billboards. So you'd be on your way to a gate, when the billboard would freak out about some developing story going on in the game. The billboards themselves would show "video" of the action taking place, say you laying flat a complex, or an interesting bit of PVP.
It wouldn't run at full quality, but your game client would show video based on a simplified simulation of the events, after all we'd be looking at the billboard.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 30/08/2005 13:23:58
Originally by: Winterblink
This was done with Final Fantasy XI, being able to watch live in the game. The camera would switch to various locations, even had cinematic-style camera paths to follow so it would pan around something interesting while the players went around and did their business.
Very cool idea.
Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
The billboard idea is cool, and most likely doable if you use semi-full-stream content.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
Personally, I'd much rather have the server manage the camera. How boring would a fleet fight be, watching it at max zoom-out. Yay, brackets and the occasional bright light! :)
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Chribba
Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
Personally, I'd much rather have the server manage the camera. How boring would a fleet fight be, watching it at max zoom-out. Yay, brackets and the occasional bright light! :)
Signed. Wonder if they will have a hard time implementing secrutity camers at some node gates etc?
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Voltex
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:06:00 -
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Cant get it to stream :/ sumet wrong with my plugin/java
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Galist
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:09:00 -
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lol i broke the broadcast setting on my end 
(turix)
It started streaming live video instead of a pic every few s xD
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Chribba
Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
Personally, I'd much rather have the server manage the camera. How boring would a fleet fight be, watching it at max zoom-out. Yay, brackets and the occasional bright light! :)
Signed. Wonder if they will have a hard time implementing secrutity camers at some node gates etc?
LOL, never. That would be a totally imbecile idea.
Player A: "Is the gate camped ?"
Player B: "No idea, I'll check the security cam."
Player B: "It's safe."
Player A: "Jumping .."
Or:
Fleet commander: "What ships to they have the other side ?"
Player A: "No idea, I'll check the security cam."
Player A procedes to list enemy ships at the gate ...
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Winterblink on 30/08/2005 14:16:32
Can we get a sticky for this topic? This is way cool. :) Maybe when I get home I'll do a night-in-the-life-of-Winterblink stream or something. :) Maybe make a WDA.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Chribba
Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
Personally, I'd much rather have the server manage the camera. How boring would a fleet fight be, watching it at max zoom-out. Yay, brackets and the occasional bright light! :)
Signed. Wonder if they will have a hard time implementing secrutity camers at some node gates etc?
LOL, never. That would be a totally imbecile idea.
Player A: "Is the gate camped ?"
Player B: "No idea, I'll check the security cam."
Player B: "It's safe."
Player A: "Jumping .."
Or:
Fleet commander: "What ships to they have the other side ?"
Player A: "No idea, I'll check the security cam."
Player A procedes to list enemy ships at the gate ...
Who said it hat to be 0.0 gates? ;) Major 1.0 node gates would be cool, where it actually is traffic almost any time of the day.
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Who said it hat to be 0.0 gates? ;) Major 1.0 node gates would be cool, where it actually is traffic almost any time of the day.
LOL ok, anything has to be better than watching a fish tank, a 1.0 EVE-CAM would rock (no pilot names though).
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
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Posted - 2005.08.30 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: ImmortaL ZoorZ on 30/08/2005 15:16:09
This is truly wierd being a fly on the wall. Its great fun tho if you have 2 minutes to spare you should try it!
The software would be very usefull to a covert ops pilot
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.30 15:15:00 -
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It's all fun and games until someone starts browsing their "image collection".
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Sarduk Larish
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Posted - 2005.08.30 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: ImmortaL ZoorZ
Edited by: ImmortaL ZoorZ on 30/08/2005 15:16:09
This is truly wierd being a fly on the wall. Its great fun tho if you have 2 minutes to spare you should try it!
The software would be very usefull to a covert ops pilot
Indeed.The ingame military applications of this software at a private location should be obvious to all.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.30 16:43:00 -
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hmm maybe get some ISD help to film fleet battles with this?
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2005.08.30 16:50:00 -
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Gaaah, now I have to allow the media player to phone home.
Ebil man. Fancy stuff, though.
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Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2005.08.30 17:05:00 -
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meh great idea. I was gonna put it on mine so you can all watch a newbie at work :P
Shame its down atm :(
will keep trying ;)
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Zero35
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Posted - 2005.08.30 20:35:00 -
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Bump to stay on front page..also...sadly the connection to the page is timing out atm.. :(
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.08.30 20:46:00 -
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OMG so curious to see what this is like! O_o
Cant wait for when it's up again..sounds like awsome work on you Chribba
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: dabster
OMG so curious to see what this is like! O_o
Cant wait for when it's up again..sounds like awsome work on you Chribba
Thanks :) You shall know tomorrow.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.08.30 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Chribba
Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
Personally, I'd much rather have the server manage the camera. How boring would a fleet fight be, watching it at max zoom-out. Yay, brackets and the occasional bright light! :)
Signed. Wonder if they will have a hard time implementing secrutity camers at some node gates etc?
it seem that if you app get some buy-in from the DEVs, they could set up a few invulnerable ship at interesting places and stream to you... maybe they can make some sort of macro to have the camera cycle through some cool actions...
really cool though - can't wait to try it!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.08.30 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 31/08/2005 06:21:54
Any chance of this making it onto the billboards ingame so we can actually get anything out of them?
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2005.08.30 22:29:00 -
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slim to none
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Franky B
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Posted - 2005.08.31 04:33:00 -
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fix please!
this would be so useful for alliance hotspot monitoring. pop a cloak ship 200km from a gate and let it stream.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.31 06:59:00 -
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Everything should be back up and running now, let me know if you encounter any problems.
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2005.08.31 09:35:00 -
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"Unable to establish connection to server" When attempting to apply new settings.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.31 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
"Unable to establish connection to server" When attempting to apply new settings.
Should work, just tried and it launched and streamed fine. You didn't change any of the Output settings?
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:26:00 -
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Nope, killed my firewall and everything but it still aint working :S
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Ten'ketel
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:28:00 -
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when i try and open the .wme file to make my own stream, an error comes up saying that the file 'does not appear to be a valid session file'
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
Nope, killed my firewall and everything but it still aint working :S
You have no problem viewing a stream? Everything should be up and running, others have been connected and streamed so it should work. Will have to sort this out. Just make sure that the output server says "stream.evelocal.com"
Originally by: Ten'ketel
when i try and open the .wme file to make my own stream, an error comes up saying that the file 'does not appear to be a valid session file'
Are you using some special characters in the name or description? If so try use a normal name, altho it shouldn't matter as I tried using special chars and it loaded up fine.
Should load fine if it is copied straight off the script generator.
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Ten'ketel
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:29:00 -
[73]
no, it seems the problem was that when i first tried i saved it on wordpad where the default save type was .rtf, even though it showed as being a wme file after save, it didnt work. After saving it on Notepad with save type as .txt, it works fine.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: jbob2000 on 31/08/2005 16:21:53
I'm streaming, and trying to view on my laptop, but ill i get is a black screen on my laptop :/
edit: nm i was using firefox
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:26:00 -
[75]
BTW, blackout doesnt work in fullscreen! oh noes!
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 31/08/2005 16:35:57
Originally by: jbob2000
BTW, blackout doesnt work in fullscreen! oh noes!
As for FireFox there is a guide on the main page of EVE-Live on how to get the plugin, works fine for me in FF.
Does it even capture when running in full mode?
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Oi Poloi
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Oi Poloi on 31/08/2005 16:44:51
markx is watching neekid people!
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Oi Poloi
Edited by: Oi Poloi on 31/08/2005 16:44:51
markx is watching neekid people!
I belive that was the first victim lol let us hope we dun get to see such things again lmao
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MarkX
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:31:00 -
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Sorry guys, that was for a couple corp mates, was only on for about 30 seconds, didnt think anyone would login that fast.
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Zero35
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Posted - 2005.08.31 21:46:00 -
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:( no streams goin on right now....also another bump to stay on front page. need sticky
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shults
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Posted - 2005.09.01 04:09:00 -
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OK for a non pc expert like me how the blazes do i get to see as well can you explain in n00bie terms plz as im pulling my hair out here well whats left of it.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.01 07:23:00 -
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You mean how you get it to stream?
There's a small faq on the left side on this page. I thought it would explain everything needed to be known ;)
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DeathSpawn66
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Posted - 2005.09.02 01:15:00 -
[83]
Im gonna try this out now and turn it....let me know if it works...
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DeathSpawn66
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Posted - 2005.09.02 02:24:00 -
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it keeps saying request not understood by network...whats up with this thing
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.09.02 02:58:00 -
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Awsome idea
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.09.02 05:53:00 -
[86]
Excuse me for beeing ingnorant.
But is it possible that this little program can be filled with some evil code that captures your keystrokes and steal your passwords?
Someone enlight me out of my ignorance
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Excuse me for beeing ingnorant.
But is it possible that this little program can be filled with some evil code that captures your keystrokes and steal your passwords?
Someone enlight me out of my ignorance
Of course it is possible, however I would never put my reputation with EVE-Files, EVE-Search etc at risk by doing such.
As for the software used, you can get it from Microsoft's site as well if you feel that downloading it from me feels untrustworthy.
Get it from Microsoft here.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 06:30:00 -
[88]
Originally by: DeathSpawn66
it keeps saying request not understood by network...whats up with this thing
What says that? The Encoder or when you try to view a stream?
If encoder, did you copy the script properly? And I assume there is no firewall or routers blocking your request?
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.09.02 07:14:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Aelius
Excuse me for beeing ingnorant.
But is it possible that this little program can be filled with some evil code that captures your keystrokes and steal your passwords?
Someone enlight me out of my ignorance
Of course it is possible, however I would never put my reputation with EVE-Files, EVE-Search etc at risk by doing such.
As for the software used, you can get it from Microsoft's site as well if you feel that downloading it from me feels untrustworthy.
Get it from Microsoft here.
Microsoft is the most untrustworthy of all sites. Most virus are downloaded there. I think people should stick with you mate. What can be more untrustworthy than Microsoft?!
Anyhow i felt someone should point this out, mainly because we have no comments from Dev's so far.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Microsoft is the most untrustworthy of all sites. Most virus are downloaded there. I think people should stick with you mate. What can be more untrustworthy than Microsoft?!
Anyhow i felt someone should point this out, mainly because we have no comments from Dev's so far.
A pirate site? ;)
Maybe all devs have gathered at the CCP hq having a meeting about how I stole their idea and how they will get their revenge? 
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuozzo on 02/09/2005 14:18:50
Brilliant, I have to say. IF only I could get it to work :/
Having followed the instructions I'm a bit at loss here, I did a test with the stream encoding properly, no errors showing, but when trying to view the stream I find it neither shows up on evelocal.com nor am i able to connect to it when trying to view it directly over the network. Maybe I am missing something? Announce broadcast?
Virtuozzo
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:08:00 -
[92]
You used the script file and pressed start encode and it never showed up nor get any error?
No error when loading the script?
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuozzo on 02/09/2005 16:44:25
Indeed. No errors whatsoever. I went over the encoder logs in detail but all was fine. Bit odd.
Is it possible I did not use that blackout app correctly? I just used it to create a new window area for which to capture/encode from but I had to close it as the Eve client kept stuck beneath that app window (yes, I have the idea that when it comes to this blackout I'm a bit blonde).
Virtuozzo
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:44:00 -
[94]
Sorry my fault after some changes I made. It has been fixed now and should work properly, sorry for the trouble.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:49:00 -
[95]
Hm, I could use a bit of help on using the blackout tool :/ The stream is working now, thanks for that fix :-) But it seems to be capturing all my monitors ^^
Virtuozzo
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:19:00 -
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Dunno if you can specify a single monitor or not. Another user asked the same thing but I have no clue since I do not have dual myself.
But check the settings on "Source" and configure the "Screen Capture" modules, maybe you can get it working properly there.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:19:00 -
[97]
Right:
In the encoder application, show the session properties, from there on you can configure the source.
By default for the script you will see "screen capture" fpr the video source, but you can also configure that to select an application to capture. That does it, if you have multiple monitors and just want to record Eve. You will have to save the script though.
Virtuozzo
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:36:00 -
[98]
Yup, read up :-) Figured it out. Atm trying to also specify an audio source so TS can go out along with it.
Best damn tool to show people who are not at your place what is so attractive about eve.
I can see folks going to ask you for protected feeds though :P Making them the best spy feeds ISK can buy. Unsettling.
Virtuozzo
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:44:00 -
[99]
I have ideas on how to make protected feeds yes, should be available shortly. :)
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:54:00 -
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Good :-) Folks might even cough up ISK for it :P Though it would be better anyway to just give folks the means to protect their feed and just have fun with the ones that forget.
Question ... how is this on your bandwidth?
Virtuozzo
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Shittake
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Posted - 2005.09.02 18:40:00 -
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Good idea, it got me thinking.
A player could "toggle on" some option which allows a live video feed WITHOUT ship controls, modules, or overview (so they do not give away their setups or give away ship types to the enemy), you could go to the Eve Online site and select from a list of players with this option enabled (perhaps a screenshot next to their names so you can pick the ones NOT docked) and watch things live.
By taking the Eve client out of the job of streaming the video, you would not need to worry about the client lagging. Let CCP generate the graphics on their end and stream them.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 19:36:00 -
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Feature Requests:
- considering that the size of the encoded stream is relatively small, it would be nice to see the script so that there was an option to also save a copy to eve-files.com on authentification.
- it would be lovely to see options for optimising the stream more to make it more fluid for folks with less bandwidth available (it is probably possible but beyond me atm)
- stream protection, very needed indeed and should be switched on by default. Maybe it is possible to script a password in? Maybe there's room for it on the site.
Comments:
- hiding modules & such btw is already possible via the HUD.
- the Blackout app can be used to hide sensitive areas from view (and thus encoding)
(it would be so nice though if it were possible for the Blackout app to only work for the encoder and still have it semi transparent for the user himself so he sees what is in local while travelling :P)
- multi monitor and multi client support is possible with this. Multi monitor is a matter of configuration. Multi clients however will eat your cpu and bandwidth depending on your pc configuration.
All in all I have to say I bloody love this. THANKS!
This will be such a great tool during events, or even when doing N00b invasion tours :-)
Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Emeline Cabernet on 02/09/2005 21:05:20
chribba should should send hes CV to ccp imo.
and wheres the sticky?
and... this is really nice work. Btw, does chribba ever have time to play?
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.09.02 21:27:00 -
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they need to be alot less laggy :P not getting a good strame at all.
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.02 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuozzo on 02/09/2005 21:32:31
It's pretty fluid .. on a 20mbit line :/
I wonder how much folks you could get to watch this :P
Me is sooo thinking of a n--b invasion tour to say, venal or so :-)
Virtuozzo
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.02 22:55:00 -
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No problem bandwidth wise for me, I have plenty of it so it should be alright.
I doubt that CCP will implement this on the live server...
I can easily have my media server save the streams to eve-files (actually I did but turned it off today).
Wonder if CCP pays in isk or cash ;) And of course I play, you haven't seen me zoom around the carebareish way? haha
It's not laggy, it takes a screenshot every 5 sec instead of full-time stream.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.03 12:13:00 -
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Not much time for EVE today :/ So I've set a lovely alt on an afk trip throughout 0.0 and a bit of Empire space :P I'll try to check once a while if he's gotten himself podded live on the web and set him off again :-)
Virtuozzo
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DeathSpawn66
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Posted - 2005.09.03 13:25:00 -
[108]
The following error occurred while setting up the source 'EVE screen capture':
The request couldn't be understood by the server(0xC00D2EE3)
thats what it says when i try to connect
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:27:00 -
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have read this idea at top of thread, not read the rest yet, so i might be shooting wildly here and missing the point,
but isn't a shot of the desktop every few seconds a little dodgy? I mean, what happens if someone had.... explicit material... on their second monitor? would that also be uploaded? hehe
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Slimblues
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Posted - 2005.09.03 14:50:00 -
[110]
you got podded :D
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.03 15:49:00 -
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omg - I got podded :P Time for another trip :P
Virtuozzo
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.03 16:17:00 -
[112]
Originally by: DeathSpawn66
The following error occurred while setting up the source 'EVE screen capture':
The request couldn't be understood by the server(0xC00D2EE3)
thats what it says when i try to connect
Hmmz, you still use the script file on the site? Not sure what that error means, maybe some connectivity issues.
Originally by: Thomus
have read this idea at top of thread, not read the rest yet, so i might be shooting wildly here and missing the point,
but isn't a shot of the desktop every few seconds a little dodgy? I mean, what happens if someone had.... explicit material... on their second monitor? would that also be uploaded? hehe
It could show yes, you can restrict it to show only what you want though but by default it shows everything so use with caution until you got it working properly.
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Spleef
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Posted - 2005.09.03 16:22:00 -
[113]
As some of you may have seen, i have been experimenting :)
I've been using a game of poker to reduce cpu load while i find some decent settings.
By default the script seems to generate a playback of 0.2 FPS, which frankly is a joke. You can alter this tho, by configuring destination.
Perhaps some posts on ideal setups for different connection types might help everyone?
Remember not to let your encoding bitrate exceed your upload.
You can also confine video source to a specific window, Eve's for example. Keep experimenting, i'm gonna post again soon with an optimal setup for UK ADSL (256kbit upload).
Great idea this Chribba, just not sure the technology in end users homes is good enough tho....
PS I know my poker play has been crap, i been focussing on the encoder :p
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:03:00 -
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I uploaded earlier the script containing the settings I use to eve-files.com (where else ^^) and indeed, there is a lot of tweaking possible.
If time permits I'll try to figure out one or two more profiles for bandwidth types. Might make it easier for folks to get a quickstart. In the mean time I got podded again :P
Virtuozzo
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:12:00 -
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Chribba > any way to set a custom delay to start streaming? say a minute or so (or whatever is defined - client is encoding but server is receiving but only sends it out after a set period of time) so folks who get shot while this tool is running can see the stream with their time & method of death once they wake up at a cloning station?
Virtuozzo
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:27:00 -
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I've seen a thing called an IP camera on digidave.co.uk - something like that anyway.
If someone pointed one of these things at their screen and plugged it in, anyone in the world anywhere could see his desktop by opening up a browser and entering the Camera's IP address
I think you can set the things to automatically refresh every once in a while. I dunno, i just saw it in passing and thought of it wen i saw this thread.
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Spleef
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Posted - 2005.09.03 18:15:00 -
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Ugh sorry to say Chribba, but your connection seems too poor for this. Apologies if ive made a noob mistake, but u dont even seem to be able to maintain a *1* fps stream @ 100kbits quality (constant buffering).
If i'm wrong, or misunderstanding something, plz point me in right direction :) My cpu load during encoding is about 10%, and im using a fraction of my upload on a good quality connection.
I want to persevere with this great idea, but I'm stuck with a problem i can't solve now...
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.09.03 18:19:00 -
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spleef > it also depends on your connection, uploading the stream and watching it is bandwidth (downloading that **** in the backgroud obviously also costs bandwidth :)
Serious again, try with the script I uploaded to eve-files.com: right click and save as, then renamed to wme and modify to carry your name instead of mine.
Virtuozzo
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Spleef
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Spleef on 03/09/2005 19:08:42
Thx for info but im not convinced :) I will try your script later, im sure chribba's server was faster late last night.
Here is a trace to his web site, presumably where the video is streamed from:
Tracing route to evelocal.com [213.115.157.54]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 15 ms 14 ms 15 ms lo1-lon3-adsl21.nildram.net [195.112.5.30]
3 13 ms 14 ms 17 ms lon3-14.nildram.net [84.12.224.25]
4 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms lon1-9.nildram.net [84.12.224.14]
5 15 ms 20 ms 16 ms ge1-0.ar2.lon2.gblx.net [195.66.224.112]
6 47 ms 50 ms 48 ms so5-0-0-2488M.ar2.CPH1.gblx.net [67.17.65.182]
7 233 ms 229 ms 231 ms B2-Bredband.so-1-1-0.ar2.CPH1.gblx.net [208.49.1
95.58]
8 228 ms 227 ms 223 ms srp9-0.cr1.mlm2.se.bredband.com [195.54.124.177]
9 226 ms * 230 ms pos3-0.cr2.sto2.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.29]
10 237 ms 238 ms 241 ms pos13-0.cr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.123.105
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11 267 ms 241 ms 241 ms vlan3.dr1.sto1.se.bredband.com [195.54.117.150]
12 235 ms 246 ms * vlan6.dr1.sto15.se.bredband.com [195.54.116.226]
13 245 ms 244 ms 246 ms static-213-115-157-54.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se [2
13.115.157.54]
Trace complete.
Dont think thats a prob my end...
But i'm not criticising, this is an excellent effort, lets hope an answer is found! :)
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Manira
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Posted - 2005.09.03 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Manira on 03/09/2005 21:20:15
hmm ppl are complaining that my steam* is slow compering with the others. any idea why, and how to fix it?
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:55:00 -
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The reason I put 0.2 FPS at start is because full streams take a lot of bandwidth, so it is better to start low and then tweak it (like we all are doing now) until we get a suitable stream.
I could easily make a very good looking stream but then of course it would take a huge amount of bandwidth, that's not good for me nor the clients.
I doubt that there is lack of bandwidth on my end since my link never reached over 50% of its full bandwidth. More a question of server resources if so, since sometimes other scripts can stall the server. So it's hard to say exactly what the issue was but I'm certain that it was not due to limited bandwidth.
Virt, you can delay the stream a bit by changing the buffer value (I think WME max is 100 secs).
And of course EVE-Live is far from being perfect with its streams, hence why I have all you dedicated people doing your things to find the suitable settings for both streamer and client (and of course my hosting).
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.09.05 12:23:00 -
[122]
Chribba is this limited to strickly gameplay or
can eve movies, clips or various other items be streamed as well?
It seems I can stream a movie with sound
Bandwidth is a concern I guess -(
Ive got it now where its basiclly a nice stream for the game play and movies sound is easily added too!
Just cool stuff
Is this going to cost us soon?
I can see real use for this tool and tools like it. A nice cloaked alt streaming me live feeds yeah I likey!
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.05 12:37:00 -
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Well the idea is to show live gameplay, but yes it can stream other things as well (but a suggestion if you want to stream movies that can be done from the server itself, eg if you want to stream a movie already on eve-files it shouldn't be any problem at all).
And no I have no plans of charging you (but hey ISK donations or donations via the donate-o-meter is always nice).
Indeed a cloaked spy could really make a twist of the gameplay, good and bad :)
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MachZERO
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Posted - 2005.09.05 20:06:00 -
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Well Chribba, if we were neighbors I'd throw you a kegger man. You simply rock. Gonna just run missions with corpmates to give you some streams to play with and tweak.. Will give some of the folks out there a dif aproach to lvl 4 missions like angel extrav.. assumming they are even watching when we run them. :/
Top notch..
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.06 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO
Well Chribba, if we were neighbors I'd throw you a kegger man. You simply rock. Gonna just run missions with corpmates to give you some streams to play with and tweak.. Will give some of the folks out there a dif aproach to lvl 4 missions like angel extrav.. assumming they are even watching when we run them. :/
Top notch..
Sounds great, you should stop by the channel "EVE-Live" as well, we have some good script tweakers there so you can get better streams. :)
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2005.09.06 07:53:00 -
[126]
very nice done, would be cool when some pvp player or pirate streams so we could se some cool battles
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.08 13:43:00 -
[127]
Tweaks here and there has improved the quality and speed quite a bit (many thanks to Virtuozzo) so you all should get a much better experience of the streams now.
And do not forget to try and catch Virtuozzo's alt flying around afk in 0.0, perhaps you will manage to see your kill live ;)
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Edge1
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Posted - 2005.09.08 14:52:00 -
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OMG
Having had a quick look on this on the first day you made this available, and having had a look at Virtuozzo's feed, the difference is amazing.
The feed from Virtuozzo's looks as smooth as anything o.0
Oh and btw, your in a pod Virtuozzo :D
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.08 14:57:00 -
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Yeah it looks like 100 times more smooth than the first day. Very good job, I should hook myself up to it tonight so people can watch me mine. :)
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.08 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 08/09/2005 15:49:56
Have added an option at the script making.
Low-Frame and High-Frame.
Low-Frame needs less resources than the High-Frame but as the name states less FPS (and thus less laggy on your machine unless you got the resources).
Low-Frame uses 4 FPS, quite low but easily watched unless you're picky about it ;) Resolution 1024x768
High-Frame uses 12.5 FPS (this is what Virtuozza uses) Resolution 512x384
Additional script tweaking is on the line.
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Del Imbrhir
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Posted - 2005.09.08 16:08:00 -
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That is soooo cool!
I'm too shy to show how bad I play this game, but damn I love that idea !
Best regards,
Del Imbrhir
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.19 06:57:00 -
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=)
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