Can't agree.
[snip]
- mining: (before the bots) better than in high-sec (ABC and all this stuff) + officer spawns
[snip]

Mining permits are already a thing, and have been for a while now, how did you miss the threadnaughts and whinefests about the New Order?

It's not up to CCP to increase the cost of entry, it's down to us, the players to put such things in place. It's already been done in nullsec, maybe it's time it came to highsec.

this made me laugh so hard.

null sec mining isn't better than high sec mining by any stretch of the imagination. do the maths. scordite is worth more per m3 than even the most lucrative null sec grav site.

Are you mining scordite?

Why? -all you have to do is move to low and do low sec exploration to win billions. Every one should go to low sec, the rewards over there are exponential compared to high sec with minimal risk, no bubbles, no bombs...

this made me laugh so hard.

null sec mining isn't better than high sec mining by any stretch of the imagination. do the maths. scordite is worth more per m3 than even the most lucrative null sec grav site.

-all you have to do is move to low and do low sec exploration to win billions.

The risk is scripted here.

I just posted about having an interceptor like mining vessel (good for gas/moon/ore mining, with 100% yield and like a 5000m3 for any mat or refine) that can be used for ninja mining. The concept is good because it gets miners into the action (real miners not the AFK "I need to make some isk for my main to pewpewpew" types) with true risk vs rewards.

It's not done.

Venture?

2 years ago i was mining in 0.0. made lots of money. No one even tried to speak "0.0 mining is bad" that days. What happened next?

Maybe ABC came to high-sec? Nope
Maybe megacyte, zydrin, etc... do not needed anymore? Nope

Market. Supply/demand. Reduce supply and you get it more lucrative.

BTW: what about officer/faction/transpost spawns? Do high-sec has better of it?

I'm sure this makes sense to you....

So you expect new players, who have no idea how the game really works, to organize and protect themselves against players with much greater SP, much deeper pockets, and greater numbers and organization?

Did you even stop to consider anything, other than your own need to grief noobs?

Anymore in GD peeps crying "risk vs reward' is NULL codeword for nerf HI SEC TBH

...game that supposed to be about player control and interaction having a zone so stable most player never choose to leave it (and thus never try to exert any control over the game)...

The only way to make high sec less profitable is to make veldspar mining less profitable. This can only be done by either increasing supply (mining more of it) or reducing the demand (which only CCP can do and they in fact increased the demand awhile ago)

Any direct attacks on the high sec mining industry itself just decreases supply, increasing prices and make the rest of the miners richer and others more motivated to start doing it.

Yes, because it needs nerfing. How anyone can think that a game that supposed to be about player control and interaction having a zone so stable most player never choose to leave it (and thus never try to exert any control over the game) will boggle my mind until the day i return to ashes and dust.

CCP can talk about "people who log in should be slightly angry" or whatever the quote was, but as long as high sec is like it is, it will only display a shadow of the chaotic human-driven beauty it can and should always have been.

Because it has no relationship to how things really work. You can always make the most money in areas where there is the most stability. And when you think about it that makes sense. here is what doesn't.

The price of stability is a higher "price of admission". I could mine gold in the Congo or in Alaska. In the Congo there are less barriers to entry and lower overall costs, but significantly more risk. It is the first part that is missing in EvE hi sec, barriers to entry and higher overall costs.

Nothing is free in a "civilized" nation or space. Where are the mining permits and the subsequent outlaws that mine without a permit? Where are the taxes, beyond corporate taxes, for living in protected space? Docking permits, trade license, etc.

Beyond making the hi sec experience realistic it could add flavor to the game. Loose practices in some factions including corrupt officials or tight laws down to a specific permit required for each type of ore. All available at a local space station.

Risk versus reward is bozo. Lo sec is about freedom, hi sec is about sacrificing those freedoms for protection.

Posting in the 10 millionth "nerf highsec" thread.

And as far as risk/reward goes, it's much safer in 0.0....So your premise fell apart when you didn't address that.

How does running exploration sites in Low or doing anything in Low at all help me "exert control over the game " ?

WoW. I see new idea of what is Eve Online supposed to be. Would not ask for proofs (you haven't it anyway).

My personal idea about Eve Online is: this is internet game where i meet other people and do something in space. And nothing i see in the game conflicts with this idea.

Maybe the real problem is: wrong idea of what this game is about? And instead of changing game to meet idea you should change idea to meet the game?

By denying a market opportunity to other low sec explorers, unlike high sec mission runners (mission running being the most used PVe in high sec) who are getting infinite missions from the same agents other people get infinitemissions from. Mission runners may interact with markets some because of LP, but thats it.

Low sec is still empire that, real player driven madness (other than the markets) happens in nullsec and wormholes That's why you always see null sec and wormholes featured in CCP's Ads for the game. When was the last time we saw a CCP Advert for the game of a dude running mission after mission after bloody mission in high sec?

I enjoy Highsec as well as nullsec. I'm also a dirty annoying roleplayer.

I like the idea of a higher cost of living in highsec. I don't think it should be anything significant... maybe 100-1000 ISK per station docking or stargate jumping request depending on the system's security status, increasing even more if you have a lower security status. That may not seem like much, but for the active player it would quickly add up, without being an undue burden for those not doing much.

Mining permits are also a great idea, but I'm unsure how you imagine them working mechanically.

imagine a space-themed amusement park and you have several rides

that's what eve is basically going towards

So, you've never seen the Developers talk about EVE online? Their are videos on youtube from way back.



That's simply ignoring what you don't like to hear. What about "high sec" is "cold, harsh and dark"?

I learned everything i could about EVE before I downloaded it, including watching developer videos. When DEVs make a music video telling people to HTFU you kind of see the mind set.

It seems to me CCP has had to compromise the founding principles of the game to keep the game going, because gamers (panseys that they tend to be) can't handle real competition and threat of loss, even in a video game.

I enjoy Highsec as well as nullsec. I'm also a dirty annoying roleplayer.

I like the idea of a higher cost of living in highsec. I don't think it should be anything significant... maybe 100-1000 ISK per station docking or stargate jumping request depending on the system's security status, increasing even more if you have a lower security status. That may not seem like much, but for the active player it would quickly add up, without being an undue burden for those not doing much.

Mining permits are also a great idea, but I'm unsure how you imagine them working mechanically.

You seem to be implying that there are no High Sec Exploration Sites that allow one to 'deny market opportunity' to others.

Or that there is not any Market manipulation or Market PvP going on in High Sec.

Are these not 'exerting control over the game' as well ?

(panseys that they tend to be)

You guys really need to come up with some new material. This stuff is the same old tired crap you been spewing in all other past post you dont like that degrades to trolling until you get the thread locked because you dont like it or agree with it.

Many changes have came to eve and those changes will continue if the game is to not only survive but also grow....So HTFU and deal with it.

I'm sure this makes sense to you....

So you expect new players, who have no idea how the game really works, to organize and protect themselves against players with much greater SP, much deeper pockets, and greater numbers and organization?

Did you even stop to consider anything, other than your own need to grief noobs?

EVE's real potential is outside of CONCORD protection, yet even in a game like EVE, the average human being can't get past the idea of losing PIXELS long enough to do anything meaningful (in the game sense). Whi8le i believe "to each his own", it seems like a huge waste, like a single player game of checkers.

Not to the same extent as in other places, no. Is the Gallente Federation going to cede control of Dodixie to you because you ran 10,000 missions?