What i'll never understand is why you types (and you are in EVERy video game with multiplayer and every MMO) can't just leave folks like us alone to have out harsh high competition cut throat games without coming in and trying to water it down.

Mining permits are already a thing, and have been for a while now, how did you miss the threadnaughts and whinefests about the New Order?

lol. The New Order guys have literally zero impact on game-play. Outside of the forums I have never (despite asking frequently) encountered anyone who has bumped into anyone actually doing that mining permit crap. If I ever find one, I will war dec their corp, just for the lols.

But this seems to be the big issue in Null as well. The Blob and such. Dynamism of which you are describing has been killed by the players themselves IMHO.

This is a false (GD fed) perception. Even in null, most pvp has nothing to do with "blobs". I haven't been in a big fleet in 2 years personally. I know some people do nothing but big fleets, but there is plenty of small gang and solo stuff going on.

It's a bit frustrating to experience null for the last 5 years then come here and see how people are SO SURE it's so terrible and all blobs and moon goo. It's just...not.

What i'll never understand is why you types (and you are in EVERy video game with multiplayer and every MMO) can't just leave folks like us alone to have out harsh high competition cut throat games without coming in and trying to water it down.

We get it, you can't stand "losing" even in a game, but where is there for those of us who don't care about that. After you finish ruining EVE, taking it from the unique game experience it was and making it into yet another bland "hold my hand, it's scary in the dark" themepark MMO, what next?

Your type is extremely shortsighted, you hate the things that make EVE what it is and want ccp to change them, not realizing that when the watering down is done, YOU won't like that EVE any more than I do.

Players cannot do that.

Only CCP can.

Civilised as ever, I see.

This would matter if "your type" was the only marketable demographic. Fortunately, over-competitive narcissistic sycophants are a minority fringe, so we don't really care what "your type" wants. But thanks for playing.

We know you care about no one but yourselves, as you do in all games.

But is it too much to ask for ONE game not overrun by people to scared or disinterested to do anything?

Rhetorical question, i know the answer is "yes it's too much to ask that even virtual people have virtual ballsacks". But damn it's frustrating that everywhere you go there are more and more calls for "Civility" and "joining hands". screw that, i want space somalia and want it now.

CCP used to agree with me.

But this seems to be the big issue in Null as well. The Blob and such. Dynamism of which you are describing has been killed by the players themselves IMHO.

This is a false (GD fed) perception. Even in null, most pvp has nothing to do with "blobs". I haven't been in a big fleet in 2 years personally. I know some people do nothing but big fleets, but there is plenty of small gang and solo stuff going on.

It's a bit frustrating to experience null for the last 5 years then come here and see how people are SO SURE it's so terrible and all blobs and moon goo. It's just...not.

But it is grunt work, and surrendering assets to faceless alliances, and 4 AM Alarm Clock Ops.

Just doesn't have the ring of 'appealling'.


edit: But is that Player's fault, or CCP's ??

Should effort not be rewarded as well as risk, though? Time is money, after all. Not to the same extent, obviously, but not unlike hazard pay being substantially higher than a standard peace-time salary in the military, for example.

CCP is trying to maintain a game that serves a broad spectrum of players, not just a certain "type"

it amazes me that "high sec people" see what we do as some kind of slavery where in reality it's just cooperative gameplay.

What i'll never understand is why you types (and you are in EVERy video game with multiplayer and every MMO) can't just leave folks like us alone to have out harsh high competition cut throat games without coming in and trying to water it down.

We get it, you can't stand "losing" even in a game, but where is there for those of us who don't care about that. After you finish ruining EVE, taking it from the unique game experience it was and making it into yet another bland "hold my hand, it's scary in the dark" themepark MMO, what next?

Your type is extremely shortsighted, you hate the things that make EVE what it is and want ccp to change them, not realizing that when the watering down is done, YOU won't like that EVE any more than I do.

Didn't we have a conversation yesterday about you doing highsec incursions for 150m isk/hr?

Did you get back in line after you finished riding that ferris wheel?

"you" types... heh.

Influenced by the players. Even CCPs lead EVE guy said it, most people playing EVE are solo/casual types. And we know solo casual types mostly fly around doing stuff in "empire". Odd as it sounds like me, even when released from the bounds of reality (as in a video game), most human beings STILL can't be arsed to do anything interesting.

While I've observed such behavior in other games, it took me by surprise when I encountered it in games like EVE and Darkfall. WTFmate, even the hardcore games are over-run but squishy soft ego types who can't stand the idea of loss.

As usual you conflate unrelated things. Nothing wrong with doing high sec stuff, I never said there was.

If you don't understand what i'm talking about, just ask rather than make yet another assumption.

While I've observed such behavior in other games, it took me by surprise when I encountered it in games like EVE and Darkfall. WTFmate, even the hardcore games are over-run but squishy soft ego types who can't stand the idea of loss.

Alarm clock CTA's??? -really???
Does this really happens in this game and are there really so many idiots doing it?-this community never ceases to amaze me.

I hear this ALL the time as the primary reason they bailed out of Null.

And how then does that make EVE different from other games except "it has space ships"?

I was attracted to EVe because ti wasn't like other games (not just because it had space ships), but as time goes on, that uniqueness is being cast aside for more money, more subs, "easy to learn, hard to master" BS and every increasing safety in a video game (including actual "safeties", because for 9 years people actually knowing what they are doing and who they were shooting was too much to ask of a video game player).

It's fairly sickening. It's also new, back in "my day" no one asked that the rocks in the 'Asteroids' video game stop killing your ship on impact, or that the Ghosts in pac-man ask to see your pvp flag before bitting you......

The wussification of gaming (and EVE) is something to resist, not welcome.

When you start piping in how anti highsec and how badass you are and hardcore, and then start flaying people referring them to as "you types"... I'm going to call you out on your hypocrisy.

You sit there and argue semantics and apply mentalities like you're better...

doing the exact same activities.

You aren't better. You aren't different. Stop pretending you are.

Sit the f*ck down.

It still isn't like any other game. The fact that you're not the only player here means what attracted you to EVE is irrelevant. Like it or not, if the game is to survive, it needs to broaden its player base to include "wuss" players. You have to adapt to that as much as the "wuss" players have to adapt to the game's harsher aspects, which still exist in substantial glory, and everyone is adapting!

You have to adapt to that as much as the "wuss" players have to adapt to the game's harsher aspects, which still exist in substantial glory, and everyone is adapting!

Ah, moral equivalence. That BS too.

Hardcore players shouldn't have to adapt to non-hardcore BS IN a game advertised as hardcore (which they are STILL doing btw). That's like saying a soccer player in a soccer game should adapt by putting on pads and a helmet and throwing the ball with his hands. Now, if that soccer player were playing football he should do that, but if he's playing SOCCER (my non-U.S. friends will have to forgive the terminology), he should...play soccer.

Their are so many games for Wusses, why not leave ONE pure old school video game alive. Must you types control EVERYTHING

So, you've never seen the Developers talk about EVE online? Their are videos on youtube from way back.

That's simply ignoring what you don't like to hear. What about "high sec" is "cold, harsh and dark"?

I would think they would appreciate the increasing number of "wuss" players.

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