There needs to be lots more ISK ability in null systems held by the same alliance the longer they hold it. A lot of fighting and constant harassment has to be dealt with. So more better income is needed during the time of not fighting to balance the time being forced to fight.

Give support to balance the income better.

"more bettter"
the grammar in this country is shocking.

His grammar could be more gooder, true.

In sciences name where did you people learn Engrish?

*more betterer.

In sciences name where did you people learn Engrish?

atleast most of us non english speakers do bother to learn a second or third language and we know we never be perfect in it , that s more than you can say about the language skills of most anglo saxons

atleast most of us non english speakers do bother to learn a second or third language and we know we never be perfect in it , that s more than you can say about the language skills of most anglo saxons

Faction loot everywhere

*more betterer.

In sciences name where did you people learn Engrish?

Mine's from Fresh Prince of Bel Air, I swear we watched every episode to the greatest of detail back in the day. It helps if one has affinity for languages as well.

So, you already live in the best area of the game, with the best rats, sites and resources, living in the complete safety of the blue donut, making isk hand-over-fist from moon-goo, and you want even more isk?

I'm pretty sure i couldn't disagree more with this thread even if i tried.

1. How much money do you think a tech moon makes per month. A rough estimate is enough.
2. How many people do you think can run anomalies non-stop in a fully upgraded -1.00 truesec system?
3. How many ratters/PvE players do you think get caught ratting each day in the supposed safe space?
4. How many man-hours do you think are needed for keeping the space as safe as it is?

1. How much money do you think a tech moon makes per month. A rough estimate is enough...

... and here we go again.

Technetium goes 56K. You can pull 200 unit per hour? 11.2M ISK/Hour. 268M/Day 7.5 Billion ISK/Month. per moon.

Am I close?

....but it's nothing spectacular that makes an alliance super rich.

If you can believe a Goon rep, they believe it does, and they say they warned CCP against the way Moons were implemented.

I am not sure how many of these moons there are... I have seen estimates of 300-500. So 2.2 Trillion ISK per month on the low side to maybe 5 Trillion ISK per month.

Perhaps not making them rich... perhaps it is... but significant wouldn't you say?

I know a lot of moons suck.

...but I will take a shot.

Technetium goes 56K. You can pull 200 unit per hour? 11.2M ISK/Hour. 268M/Day 7.5 Billion ISK/Month. per moon.


Am I close?

My understanding is that often the players do not directly get this money. Corp/Alliance funds, but I could be wrong.

Even 5 Trillion ISK per month isn't that much if you break it down to characters in the CFC. Let's say 20k characters, that's just 250 Million per character per month. Every highsec incursion corp makes more per day than that.

"more bettter"
the grammar in this country is shocking.

No no no, how dare you use "facts" and "logic" in the face of other people's unfounded but closely held beliefs. Don't you know that everyone who simply jumps into null sec gets insta-rich because officer spawns appear at the gate to welcome you with rare loot?

Shame on you sir, SHAME.

And right there I hope I busted your sarcasm meter. Death to Sarcasm meters!.

Technetium goes 56K. You can pull 200 unit per hour? 11.2M ISK/Hour. 268M/Day 7.5 Billion ISK/Month. per moon.

if you want more income i,n null sec work for it
you can already make much more money relative safe in null sec if you want more work for it , farm those animolies , upgrade the system , expand your pi by placing POCO , babysit your moons better etc etc isn't that hard tho

1. How much money do you think a tech moon makes per month. A rough estimate is enough.
2. How many people do you think can run anomalies non-stop in a fully upgraded -1.00 truesec system?
3. How many ratters/PvE players do you think get caught ratting each day in the supposed safe space?
4. How many man-hours do you think are needed for keeping the space as safe as it is?

1. How much money do you think a tech moon makes per month. A rough estimate is enough.
2. How many people do you think can run anomalies non-stop in a fully upgraded -1.00 truesec system?
3. How many ratters/PvE players do you think get caught ratting each day in the supposed safe space?
4. How many man-hours do you think are needed for keeping the space as safe as it is?

2. ****-loads! Back in my days in Providence i'd run them daily, and never had any issues with them running out, though its been over two years since i've been in a null Alliance. Obviously this is going to differ between Alliances. Do you find you have an issue with this then?

3. In my Providence days, i was never caught. I would be able to chain rat continiously, and making an epic amount of isk via bounties and salvage. In the small number of instances where someone unknown appears in local, you just dock or safe up. Null-space was easily the safest place i'd ever played. Obviously, there are going to be exceptions to this, Alliances in the middle of major wars. But common! When was the last time you saw siginificant Alliances committing large numbers of capitals in serious wars? The blue donut is here to stay, people!

In the risk vs reward scale, Nullsec beats everywhere, hands down. Low risk, high reward.

If SOV lands were more volatile with flipping back and forth, requiring more time and effort spent defending and attacking daily - then you might have a leg to stand on but you don't with how things currently work.

There needs to be lots more ISK ability in null systems held by the same alliance the longer they hold it. A lot of fighting and constant harassment has to be dealt with. So more better income is needed during the time of not fighting to balance the time being forced to fight.

Give support to balance the income better.

1. How much money do you think a tech moon makes per month. A rough estimate is enough.
2. How many people do you think can run anomalies non-stop in a fully upgraded -1.00 truesec system?
3. How many ratters/PvE players do you think get caught ratting each day in the supposed safe space?
4. How many man-hours do you think are needed for keeping the space as safe as it is?

1.) Moon not to much depending on the moon some times you cant even pay for the PoS fuel in order to mine it, but we all know thats not why you do moon goo

2.) A metric crap load squared, and if they all can't they will fight over them.

3.) See above

4.) Numbers > man hours (even if they directly correlate)

1. I specifically asked for tech moons.

2. Wrong. If you find a system which can sustain 20 people continually ratting/anomaly running you can consider yourself lucky.

3. see 2

4. More people needed should mean more potential profit. But the more people your alliance/corp has, the less ISK each member can expect to make.

There needs to be lots more ISK ability in null systems held by the same alliance the longer they hold it. A lot of fighting and constant harassment has to be dealt with. So more better income is needed during the time of not fighting to balance the time being forced to fight.

Give support to balance the income better.

Some how I feel like you have never even been in 0.0

Talk to your alliance overlords. At 83.33mil/min of effort per moon goo mining pos, you need to ask your alliance leaders where all your income is going. I mean, you do make up the defense of all that, right? Should you get some of that as discretionary income?

This is a horrible thread.

Ow come on we had worse :)

a -1.00 Truesec system will spawn 4 forsaken hubs. That can support 2 players continually ratting for optimum payout (of course they can bring friends, but this dilutes payout).

The Sanctums and Havens can support maybe 4-6 more , if those people are willing to take the isk per hour hit frigates cause. and maybe 1 more guy belt ratting.

Thats IT. the rest of the anomalies in system will be useless.

And this is where you get caught in a lie.

"Chaining". bounties and "salvage".

Those are things you do in BELTS. who belt rats in a null sec dominated by a system upgrade system of re spawning anomalies in the last 4 years? And epic amount of isk after taking time to salvage.

And this last part is where you prove to be insane. How does the place with 7 times more PVP kills over the last 4 years (while high sec has has 8 to 9 times more characters than null) = to "safe".

The Servers that host high sec systems must have been moved from London to Mexico, because their must be something in high Sec water that makes people hallucinate.

Being an alliance pleb is like marriage some things are not open for discussion

That's the gross income, you have to deduct some for POS fuel and costs to bring the stuff to market. And of course not couting in the costs to defend the moon to attacks. That's roughly 200 hours of missioning in highsec. Sure, it's a nice side income to help fund the sov-costs, but it's nothing spectacular that makes an alliance super rich.

Less income for trespassers because the system owners own the system. So when we have to stay in station trespassers less likely to take income.

Sorry this is not my first language. Do support for better income generation.