Thank you CCP, for another schlong in the face to small new alliances and new capital pilots, this is just one major stealth capital nerf and a gift to the old boy capital blob network.

let me break this down.

1. and primary CCP has some rigs that dont work on capitals, so instead of just fixing said rigs, they chose to introduce a massive isk sync (no make that a huge sucking vortex) in the form of 5X the materials for no real benefit as well as a whole new round of bpo's to be bought and researched.

2. this will increase the price of rigs across the board due to material scarcity. with absolutely no increase in return

3. The existing supers and capitals all have a lower cost to deploy, all future capital pilots will have a massive bump in cost to deploy, so existing major alliances that have a surplus in corp/alliance capitals will have an unfair advantage for a significant time frame.

4. super prices are about to take a massive bump in price AGAIN. when the mineral and drone region revamp hit, all ships took a massive bump of about a 50% increase in price, now the rigs will be about the same bump, so overall, say hello to a doubling in price since CCP figured they could "fix things"


over all, this is bound to mean that the nullsec status quo will be even more entrenched and remove the risk of loss for "new upstarts"

If CCP insists on this route of change for no return, and considering the proliferation of supers at this point, they may as well allow supers to dock at all low and null sec stations finally, after all, the main complaints everyone had about them at the outset have all been either fixed, nullified or made pointless.

I hope your right, tho my arguement isn't so much about the cost as such but a more complicated dynamic especially in relation to wormhole space capital use where T2 rigs on carriers and dreads is very common place.

Well then it's about time to re-think your blingy wormhole capital doctrines. If you really want that 5% advantage you better be ready to pay for it.

Your point 3. Your point does NOT apply to capitals, only supercapitals. I don't know of any major alliance who has T2 rigs in their alliance capital doctrines (well, slowcats and tower bash doctrines at least).

In wormhole space and to an extent some lowsec setups 2x T2 CCC, 1x T1 CCC rig is a standard fitting doctrine on triage Archons - especially in wormhole space where you need to make the most out of the ships you can fit through the mass available and the chances of facing a fleet that has a bhaal or 2 or neuting legions then that extra 100 cap/s or so is very useful - something that in nullsec and to a fair extent in lowsec is rarely if ever a concern. You can't just cyno in yet another triage archon rooks and kings style when **** hits the fan.

But if you insist on using carriers:
The 2xT2+1xT1 CCC adds ~50 cap/s peak (110 total) on an Archon with my skills according to EFT which is a minuscule 12 cap/s more than with 3xT1 CCC .. with that small of a difference and the prospect of it costing as much as it is likely to, then perhaps it would be prudent to look into faction/officer cap mods which should be more than able to close that small performance gap at a price point well below the cost of T2 capital or even large rigs.

In wormhole space and to an extent some lowsec setups 2x T2 CCC, 1x T1 CCC rig is a standard fitting doctrine on triage Archons.

On the kind of fits commonly used for high end wormhole triage - ignoring implants - its around ~96-97 cap/s, with the implants I usually run on my triage its the difference of 114.6 cap/s. Which can make a fair difference against neuting. All my carriers already have a full set of faction CPRs as a matter of course and so will most C5/6 wormhole people.

You don't always have the numbers to go ewar and logi - infact as a lot of fights happen on a wormhole at close range ECM tengus aside most ewar won't live long and as often you go into fights burning bridges behind you (wormholes collapsed) you can't bring the additional numbers in later if they do come online subsequently.

I know where you are coming from and what you are peddling, but think about it .. all rigs will now have an effect on capital mods.

That is HUGE!

Fitting for pure cap is still possible of course but it will no longer be the only path; aux pumps, nano accels and RR augmentors are all viable options to counter potential neuting when it comes to survival of you and yours. In the end it will require minimal tweakage of fits to get around the T2 capital rig price issue.

TBH I'm posting too much in specifics tho my real complaint is the fact that a lot of rigs that are commonly used day to day in other parts of eve outside of general nullsec use are suddenly going to become (a) something thats going to be hard to justify in every day fights even when moderate levels of pimp make sense and more importantly (b) barely used by the ships that are targetted at with no real alternative for the ships that used to use them before.

So we have come from the point when t1 rigs were so expensive that you never fitted them to anything below battleship to the point where people start to QQ when they can't fit the most expensive and rarest of rigs to every ship they fly. When did we become such a bunch of crybabies?

No, you don't need to be able to max pimp your every ship.

Hell, why not make T2 rigs free altogether? Would that make you happy?

Also a bit concerned on the final price of Equiped battleships. Lrge rigs are already a bit expensive, now they are goign to be more expensive due to material shortage AND theie battleship base prices are beign ihcreased.

Not very good for a class of ships that was struglling to keep relevant!

Will there be an egress port maximizer capital Rig to effect the Capital Energy Transfer Array/s or does the Large egress maximizer already effect these mods?

How did this thread get to 16 pages?

The rigs give the same benefit as the small, medium, and large rigs but take more materials to make.

A few pages of "oh noes the sky is falling" because rig materials will bounce around as supplies stabilize.

A few questions about capital specific rigs, such as rigs that affect siege modules similar to ice and mercoxit medium rigs. Also a few questions about BPO cost and availability.

Boom, thread done in 5 pages. Lock, sticky and move on. There really isn't that much discussion to making cap rigs, how this abomination of a 16 page thread happened escapes me.

"existing large rigs on capital ships will automatically and without cost upgrade to their new capital counterpart when the patch hits"

Is this true?

Not seeing any response on whether or not there will be T2 capital rigs or if capital rigs will simply be T2 quality for their increased cost.

I'll enjoy changing from not using T2 Large Trimarks to not using T2 Capital Trimarks...


Svo.

t2 rigs are a bit out of control, cost wise, whether we are talking small rigs or capital. I think that is sort of a seperate issue.

There will be T2 capital rigs. They are all on SISI now of you want to try them out or view stats.

The T2 salvage bottlenecks in place right now make putting 3 x T2 capital rigs that people desire, a 10+ billion ISK venture. It's to the point where you can replace your Aeon or rig it and in some cases you couldn't rig them even if you wanted to. The parts just aren't there.