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James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 4672	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:14:00 - [151] - Quote Andski wrote: The goal is clearly to entrench the groups with superiority anyway vOv There's literally nothing positive I can think of that will come from this change. Nothing. Sure Odyssey is an expansion about exploration, of which we have so far absolutely no details. Maybe they're trying to increase salvage profit, but surely there's a better and less damaging way of doing so. There's no reason to drive the costs up on rigs for capital ships except to make the barrier to entry higher, and there's no game balance reason to do that. Supercapitals I'd be fine with, but not regular capital ships. Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix.
Moondog Hansen Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:30:00 - [152] - Quote CorryBasler wrote: Moondog Hansen wrote: My supercap is now worth an extra 4-5bil! :D not sure on your logic, If what im understanding is true, your super will still have large trimark II's after patch. It will be like when they added small medium and large in and people have large rigged frigates. Yea, I still have an inty and a few hacs with large rigs lying around. The thing is, the first time they only created lower value rigs and because all rigs have the same effect it didn't matter the size fitted. Now it's the same situation but reversed, because size doesn't matter a supercap with large rigs will be worth the same as a supercap with capital rigs, for example: Lets use round numbers and assume a Nyx costs 20b (hull only). Currently t2 trimarks are ~350m each, so a full set is ~1b. As it stands I can buy a Nyx and rig it (with large rigs ofc) for 21b, lets declare this the current market price. Now fast-forward to odyssey, Nyx costs the same but each rig costs five times more, so a full set is ~5b. If someone buys a Nyx and rigs it, it will cost 20b (hull) + 5b (rigs) to buy, so the post odyssey market price is 25b. Pre-odyssey Nyxes have large rigs but they work exactly the same way as the capital rigs, so when buying a Nyx you will still pay 25b because it's the new going rate. In other words, buy and rig a supercap now, selling it during the summer is a guaranteed 4b in profit (or would be if the prices were stable enough). This means that each supercap (with t2 trimarks) got a 4b increase in market value. Also I just realised I'm posting with a noob corp char but I'm too lazy to change now.
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1466	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:32:00 - [153] - Quote ITT Mynas makes up 15 trillion out of thin air and says we got it. I for one want my share, praytell Mynas how can i extract my part of this 15 trillion?
Meduza13 Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus 13	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:35:00 - [154] - Quote gascanu wrote: i don't really understand why are ppl complaining: it's a logic move, and it was a long time coming one. t1 trimarks where @15milion/u for a long time, now they are like what 7 mil; regarding t2 ones, if the t2 capital ones are too expensive then you maibe should not be in one...or you can fit t1 Agreed, no problem , but if set of t2 rigs is more expensive than a ship they are fitted on, (like carrier) makes very little sence, and price/gain ratio is just crazy low.
Sodohm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 23	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:40:00 - [155] - Quote Meduza13 wrote: gascanu wrote: i don't really understand why are ppl complaining: it's a logic move, and it was a long time coming one. t1 trimarks where @15milion/u for a long time, now they are like what 7 mil; regarding t2 ones, if the t2 capital ones are too expensive then you maibe should not be in one...or you can fit t1 Agreed, no problem , but if set of t2 rigs is more expensive than a ship they are fitted on, (like carrier) makes very little sence, and price/gain ratio is just crazy low. T2 rig any t1nonfaction subcap ship and rig price will be higher than ship price, I cant see any problem with this applying to caps as well ...
Quindaster Infernal laboratory Infernal Octopus 39	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:41:00 - [156] - Quote Welll CCP always add this - remove that. And "server works fine" For this idiotic patch, now CCP simply nerf carriers and especially triage carriers, because of rarity of T2 salvage and because of x 5 building cost - prices on T2 CCC and other rigs like T2 trimarks will be over 1.5 bill, and noone will be able to fit T2 rigs on carriers, because carrier cost 1.3 bill and noone will use T2 rigs on them in PvP for 3 bill, cos it's stupid. So only on super capitals will be able to use this T2 rigs but I'm not sure people will use them for 5-7 bill. And problem is, for this x5 building cost we will have much more less T2 salvage and prices will goes up much more, because whole eve fly now after last cruser patch on **** T1 crusers and as we know, you cannot salvage T2 salvage from T1 crusers...so for this even for T2 crusers and T3 crusers medium T2 rigs will cost over 100 mill each... So CCP simply removed abillity to use T2 rigs on capitals because noone will use them for this crazy price. So I ask, what for we will have T2 capital rigs in this game if they will be useless because of crazy price on them?! Thank you CCP, like always you nerf absolutely different parts of eve and now we really all need to fly on ** ships with T1 rigs in PvP. And all this because of idiotic CCP idea to buff noobs on crusers and frigates who still on trial accounts and for CCP absolutely same what players think who play this game over 5-8 years...only important how new players will feel itself even if they will not play after 2 month...
Destoya Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 77	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:41:00 - [157] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: ITT Mynas makes up 15 trillion out of thin air and says we got it. I for one want my share, praytell Mynas how can i extract my part of this 15 trillion? You see Grath, all we need to do is rig the stockpile of titans that we have on the shared CEO accounts with large rigs now, then sell them later for a massive profit! That's even ignoring all the money we're going to make off market speculation on large from all the devs PL has in our secret Skype channels. Better get your passport ready for the alliance-wide trip to the Bahamas that's getting funded by dat RMT isk
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession 502	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:51:00 - [158] - Quote CCP Tallest wrote: Hey We're putting capital rigs into EVE. Not much else to say, really. They will work pretty much as you would expect them to. Some things to note: * Rigs that previously did not affect capital modules will affect capital modules ** (Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard, Auxiliary Nano Pump and Nanobot Accelerator rigs) * Tech I BPOs will cost 50 Million ISK * Manufacturing Capital rigs will use 5 times the materials of Large rigs Questions? Comments? Please don't have them made from the same things as small, medium and large. Even more so for T2 Rigs. No one outside of the stupid use T2 rigs on Battleships because they simply cost way too much. So please have capital rigs made from other things. So subcap rigs are more reasonably priced. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Rivr Luzade The Flaming Sideburn's Ineluctable. 15	Posted - 2013.04.23 21:57:00 - [159] - Quote Meduza13 wrote: So who is going to buy t2 rigs for anything smaller than mothership? whats the point of creating such thing like t2 capital rigs which nearly noone going to buy? You produce them for your own needs, if you see it necessary to use them for your own pleasure or that of a corp/alliance member? Maybe. You don't have to put everything on the market and make huge profits from it, you know? R
Mole Guy Xoth Inc Unclaimed. 68	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:03:00 - [160] - Quote heres the prollem as i see it. at first there were rigs. all were the same size. and for those of us inty/AF pilots who rigged out ships we were called all sorts of names, but they worked well. when ccp extrended rigs to small/med/large, they made ALL rigs large. that way, no one lost money and anything fit would still work. we started making smaller rigs since they were available. now, everyone with a t2 rigged super IS going to get a huge bonus because they wont have to pay the rate as the newer pilots just stepping into a super. before, it was done at the benefit of ALL... now the only ones who will gain this 4.5 bill, are the ones with the cheeply rigged t2 (large) supers. now, either ALL rigs should be changed to capital, and we ALL gain from this, or ALL large rigs need to come off from being installed and put into your cargo. then, all super pilots can purchase them as we will have too, or we ALL benefit from selling capital t2 rigs until their supply dries up. itl totally unfair to favor one group over another or make changes that affect folks in such a way as to benefit some. just like when BOB was given a lot of the t2 bpo's back in the day...some became super rich from them and we all suffered with their high prices. it was supposed to be a lotto, but we know that wasnt what happened... make it so everyone benefits.

FT Diomedes The Graduates RAZOR Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:06:00 - [161] - Quote So, a Titan or Supercarrier just got a few billion more expensive? Big deal. Minor variations in tritanium prices will have more impact on most Supercapital prices.
Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 623	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:09:00 - [162] - Quote CCP Tallest wrote: Jane Wade wrote: do ships with large rigs already in them keep their bonuses? Yes. Your currently fitted rigs will stay in place and keep their bonuses. Why pamper the multi-billionaires in such an overt fashion? Remove installed large rigs and dump them ship cargo .. let the fat cats pay for their diamond studded toy mice!
Meduza13 Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus 14	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:09:00 - [163] - Quote Sodohm wrote: Meduza13 wrote: gascanu wrote: i don't really understand why are ppl complaining: it's a logic move, and it was a long time coming one. t1 trimarks where @15milion/u for a long time, now they are like what 7 mil; regarding t2 ones, if the t2 capital ones are too expensive then you maibe should not be in one...or you can fit t1 Agreed, no problem , but if set of t2 rigs is more expensive than a ship they are fitted on, (like carrier) makes very little sence, and price/gain ratio is just crazy low. T2 rig any t1nonfaction subcap ship and rig price will be higher than ship price, I cant see any problem with this applying to caps as well ... sure so lets make mothership price 20 bil and 3 rigs for it 30 bil, so its consistent (yes, sarcasm) if cruiser price is exapmle 10 mil, and t2 rigs for it 20 mil , its 10 mil difference, not damn 1 bil
Moondog Hansen Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:16:00 - [164] - Quote Most people are ignoring the good bit of news that CCP Tallest cleverly hid in this announcement: With this change CCP is finally introducing T2 capital sized mods, in this particular scenario rigs. Now that they opened that door, it's reasonable to expect t2 capital guns, which are long overdue.
Zak Centauri Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:16:00 - [165] - Quote Happy with the changes, T2 rigged capitals could be seen as slightly OP. Would have been more interesting if CCP built logic so that if rig size is less than that which ship requires they don't work. 1000's of capital pilots having to get new rigs could have been interesting indeed. Looking forward to the change, active tanking buff as someone has already said capital cap booster be appreciated with cap booster 1600's or 3200's. I wan't to turn my moros into a giant triple rep hyperion.
Quindaster Infernal laboratory Infernal Octopus 40	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:26:00 - [166] - Quote fukier wrote: tech II trimarks on a vindi with a full slave implant is pretty awesome1 First, you EFT warrior, second, you never had vindicator and third - you never can use it in solo fight because you will get blob on this vindi. And vindi cost same price like carrier but for carrier T2 rigs will cost like 2-3 carriers. You feel difference?!
Meduza13 Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus 14	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:27:00 - [167] - Quote Zak Centauri wrote: Happy with the changes, T2 rigged capitals could be seen as slightly OP. Would have been more interesting if CCP built logic so that if rig size is less than that which ship requires they don't work. 1000's of capital pilots having to get new rigs could have been interesting indeed. Looking forward to the change, active tanking buff as someone has already said capital cap booster be appreciated with cap booster 1600's or 3200's. I wan't to turn my moros into a giant triple rep hyperion. you clearly never flown capital ship and have no clue about dreadnoughts, you are probably EFT pilot
Tarsas Phage Freight Club 167	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:37:00 - [168] - Quote Mole Guy wrote: itl totally unfair to favor one group over another or make changes that affect folks in such a way as to benefit some. just like when BOB was given a lot of the t2 bpo's back in the day...some became super rich from them and we all suffered with their high prices. it was supposed to be a lotto, but we know that wasnt what happened... make it so everyone benefits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoSUnJqJ7Yw So by your logic, super/titan pilots who got their ships dirt-cheap before the drone poo nerf also enjoyed an unfair advantage as mineral prices subsequently rose? There wasn't really an outcry over that. My Aeon was built in 2009 and passed through 2 owners before coming to me. Did I pay 2009 prices for it? No, I paid 2013 prices for it, because that's what the market dictated. Look at freighters, orcas and all capitals - their price has nearly doubled, or has nearly, since the drone poo nerf... so what's the difference here, where the affected ships are vanishingly small in number compared to those who had any ship which consumed a lot of minerals to build before the drone poo nerf?
ariana ailith Dynakinetics Reciprocal Aegis 48	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:37:00 - [169] - Quote All this nonsense and useless speculation...
Vibramycin Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:48:00 - [170] - Quote Moondog Hansen wrote: Most people are ignoring the good bit of news that CCP Tallest cleverly hid in this announcement: With this change CCP is finally introducing T2 capital sized mods, in this particular scenario rigs. Now that they opened that door, it's reasonable to expect t2 capital guns, which are long overdue (as well as reps, fighters, cap boosters, etc). wth? you realize t2 guns and reps already exist, and fighters/fighter bombers are already for carriers only... I'm just gonna go ahead and assumed I have fallen victim to a troll?

Aliventi Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 51	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:55:00 - [171] - Quote Vibramycin wrote: Moondog Hansen wrote: Most people are ignoring the good bit of news that CCP Tallest cleverly hid in this announcement: With this change CCP is finally introducing T2 capital sized mods, in this particular scenario rigs. Now that they opened that door, it's reasonable to expect t2 capital guns, which are long overdue (as well as reps, fighters, cap boosters, etc). wth? you realize t2 guns and reps already exist, and fighters/fighter bombers are already for carriers only... I'm just gonna go ahead and assumed I have fallen victim to a troll? T2 Capital Guns, T2 Capital reps , T2 Capital RR, T2 Captial Cap transfers, T2 fighters and T2 fighter bombers do not exist.
Moondog Hansen Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.04.23 22:56:00 - [172] - Quote Vibramycin wrote: Moondog Hansen wrote: Most people are ignoring the good bit of news that CCP Tallest cleverly hid in this announcement: With this change CCP is finally introducing T2 capital sized mods, in this particular scenario rigs. Now that they opened that door, it's reasonable to expect t2 capital guns, which are long overdue (as well as reps, fighters, cap boosters, etc). wth? you realize t2 guns and reps already exist, and fighters/fighter bombers are already for carriers only... I'm just gonna go ahead and assumed I have fallen victim to a troll? Perhaps you should read the post you quoted a little more carefully. Up until now there was no "cross-polination" between subcap mods and t2 capital modules, the only t2 capital mods we had were siege mods, which were capital-only to start with. T2 capital rigs change that (T1 capital rigs do not however).
JetCord The Brony Herd Lost Obsession 5	Posted - 2013.04.23 23:37:00 - [173] - Quote does this mean we can invent T2 capital rigs later?
Jovat Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.04.24 00:26:00 - [174] - Quote My first intuition is to suspect that this is an unbalancing change for the t2 rig market in isolation just because it will further push t2 rigs away from most people because of the increased demand for t2 rigs on caps and supercaps, but maybe it will be so expensive that existing cap pilots won't be able to afford new rigs so maybe there will be only a modest bump, with the largest impact being in t1 salvage. I wish they'd increase the drop rate on blue salvage by five fold to help drop the price on t2 rigs and increase volume, and then include the t1 rig as the manufacturing material like in other t2 production (to prevent bizarre scenarios like t1 rigs that cost more than a t2 rig and to support the t1 salvage market), so that more people could use t2 rigs. 300-600 mil for a rig is a bit much for battleship sized rigs, and I'm just trying to imagine what a t2 capital semiconductor fitting on would do to my wallet.
fukier 931	Posted - 2013.04.24 00:39:00 - [175] - Quote Quindaster wrote: fukier wrote: tech II trimarks on a vindi with a full slave implant is pretty awesome1 First, you never had vindicator would you like to bet on that? and yes it does have tech II large trimarks faction gear and a full slave set clone to go with it... its called being drunk and lots of plex isk. At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 228	Posted - 2013.04.24 01:38:00 - [176] - Quote So far..... What I've read tells me that a Marauder is going to become a lot more 'efficient' in missions compared to current. Since if the amount os salvage required goes up, price is likely to rise a bit, meaning the extra salvage a marauder turns while blitzing missions is going to increase it's profit compared to current, since the salvage value will be higher. Predictions, Marauder price will go up a bit due to demand, Pirate BS price may drop slightly due to less demand, but more likely people will just move from T1 BS to Marauders & stay in Marauders. Salvage price will go up a little. More salvage will be on the market. Probing out & salvaging lvl 4 missions with a noctis will become more profitable also. It's almost like the economy will adjust.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band 440	Posted - 2013.04.24 02:55:00 - [177] - Quote I'd like to see carrier and dreadnought rats appear sometimes in anomalies and complexes (especially the high ones) which could be salvaged for special components that go into capital rigs. Along with this I would like to see the large rig component cost reduced from 5x to, say, 2x or 3x. Otherwise, it'll hurt people who are trying to rig their battleships, and it will allow people to farm capital rigs entirely in highsec. Mittani, where have you gone to? I miss you :(
Xolve Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1341	Posted - 2013.04.24 03:27:00 - [178] - Quote Marc Callan wrote: Can we get a definitive answer on which ship classes will require capital rigs? I'm assuming Titans, Supercarriers, Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and Capital Industrials; any others? (TL;DR: can we get an answer regarding the Orca?) The Orca is a Industrial Command Ship, and isn't listed as a capital ship in EFT/Pyfa. The Rorqual is a Capital Industrial Ship, and has all attributes listed as such in EFT/Pyfa. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator.
Legault Revan Hard Knocks Inc. 6	Posted - 2013.04.24 05:06:00 - [179] - Quote It would seem that I need to start Tech 2 rigging every capital I can come across.
IrJosy Caldari Provisions Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.04.24 05:33:00 - [180] - Quote 1.5b isk t2 rigs seem a bit much



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