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Katchin
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:31:00 - [151]

To those that call us cowards for coming out of the station and warping away, two question.

Were you last in the braincell queue or first in the lobotomy queue?

There were 2 battleships docked, by your own admissions 40 or more ships waited outside, go figure.

To the people that actually didn't **** talk local constantly, good fight.

Katchin
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:31:00 - [152]

To those that call us cowards for coming out of the station and warping away, two question.

Were you last in the braincell queue or first in the lobotomy queue?

There were 2 battleships docked, by your own admissions 40 or more ships waited outside, go figure.

To the people that actually didn't **** talk local constantly, good fight.

Caillech
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:38:00 - [153]

i love how people who wasnt even there comes to these boards and act like they know everything ...

Its pretty pathetic imo.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:38:00 - [154]

<<<
Not gonna work.
>>

Well, we will see.

Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution.

Unless, of course, TTi come out with a clear and categorical statement that they will not interfere with any law-abiding citizens seeking retribution for piracy in Venal or anywhere else.


That this will probably render their deal with the Venal Alliance invlaid (or at least for the "tiny minority or pirates) seems to be a bit of a Catch 22.

I suppose the way too remedy it is for the VA to simply kick out the pirates.

Surprised
Caillech
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:38:00 - [155]

i love how people who wasnt even there comes to these boards and act like they know everything ...

Its pretty pathetic imo.
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:38:00 - [156]

<<<
Not gonna work.
>>

Well, we will see.

Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution.

Unless, of course, TTi come out with a clear and categorical statement that they will not interfere with any law-abiding citizens seeking retribution for piracy in Venal or anywhere else.


That this will probably render their deal with the Venal Alliance invlaid (or at least for the "tiny minority or pirates) seems to be a bit of a Catch 22.

I suppose the way too remedy it is for the VA to simply kick out the pirates.

Surprised
Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:41:00 - [157]

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What Sin/Moo should do is, head down every day. Kill a couple people then go park in a station, and head off to a movie. Come back 3 or 4 hours later and repeat. A week of that and half of TTI will be so burned out from playing the waiting game they will just quit ;p


Very imaginative. Problem is, that won't be happening. Just as it was so elegantly declared that Shollos' Bship was replaced the next day, so was Tolstoy's. I guess people fail to realize that pirate corp's aren't the only rich organizations in the game.


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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:41:00 - [158]

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What Sin/Moo should do is, head down every day. Kill a couple people then go park in a station, and head off to a movie. Come back 3 or 4 hours later and repeat. A week of that and half of TTI will be so burned out from playing the waiting game they will just quit ;p


Very imaginative. Problem is, that won't be happening. Just as it was so elegantly declared that Shollos' Bship was replaced the next day, so was Tolstoy's. I guess people fail to realize that pirate corp's aren't the only rich organizations in the game.


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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:51:00 - [159]

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<<<
Not gonna work.
>>

Well, we will see.

Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution.

Unless, of course, TTi come out with a clear and categorical statement that they will not interfere with any law-abiding citizens seeking retribution for piracy in Venal or anywhere else.


That this will probably render their deal with the Venal Alliance invlaid (or at least for the "tiny minority or pirates) seems to be a bit of a Catch 22.

I suppose the way too remedy it is for the VA to simply kick out the pirates.

Surprised


I am no leading diplomat in TTI, but it is my opinion that TTI deals with VA on a purely business standpoint at this point in time. We both are threatened by m00's presence in Venal; therefore we have an un-official duty to each other to fight that threat. It is not TTI's responsiblity to protect those pirates that are being attacked in retribution for a prior act though - this being said because TTI is not / does not condone piracy. We will, however, help out the alliance if there is a mutual threat, as was shown last night.

* Once again these are my expressed opinions, please do not take these for factual statements coming from TTI itself *

And also on a side note, I enjoyed the conversations with VA during the battle last night. Despite VA having pirate corporations, I can respect their actions and last night just solidified that feeling for me. May we drive m00 out of our territory.


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Mustafa Ken'Yova
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Posted - 2003.07.30 21:51:00 - [160]

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<<<
Not gonna work.
>>

Well, we will see.

Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution.

Unless, of course, TTi come out with a clear and categorical statement that they will not interfere with any law-abiding citizens seeking retribution for piracy in Venal or anywhere else.


That this will probably render their deal with the Venal Alliance invlaid (or at least for the "tiny minority or pirates) seems to be a bit of a Catch 22.

I suppose the way too remedy it is for the VA to simply kick out the pirates.

Surprised


I am no leading diplomat in TTI, but it is my opinion that TTI deals with VA on a purely business standpoint at this point in time. We both are threatened by m00's presence in Venal; therefore we have an un-official duty to each other to fight that threat. It is not TTI's responsiblity to protect those pirates that are being attacked in retribution for a prior act though - this being said because TTI is not / does not condone piracy. We will, however, help out the alliance if there is a mutual threat, as was shown last night.

* Once again these are my expressed opinions, please do not take these for factual statements coming from TTI itself *

And also on a side note, I enjoyed the conversations with VA during the battle last night. Despite VA having pirate corporations, I can respect their actions and last night just solidified that feeling for me. May we drive m00 out of our territory.


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Hiro Protagonist
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:03:00 - [161]

Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 30/07/2003 22:07:11
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Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution.
Whoa, I just had a major revelation.

I kept scratching my head why Morkt is so focused on TTI and VA and why he doesn't seem to realize that the vast majority of major corps belong to some "piratical" regional alliance. I mean, I haven't yet seen him flame an aboveboard company like CNX for being piratically allied with EVO, for instance. All the theories about Morkt "reporting" on TTI/VA because he is biased are totally wrong. He isn't leaking only TTI's private forums because he has an axe to grind with TTI - no!

I know the real truth.

Comment removed, no need for that - Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:03:00 - [162]

Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 30/07/2003 22:07:11
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Somehow I think that the average Galactic resident will be somewhat put-out to know that after Space Invaders robs them, TTi will stop them from gaining retribution.
Whoa, I just had a major revelation.

I kept scratching my head why Morkt is so focused on TTI and VA and why he doesn't seem to realize that the vast majority of major corps belong to some "piratical" regional alliance. I mean, I haven't yet seen him flame an aboveboard company like CNX for being piratically allied with EVO, for instance. All the theories about Morkt "reporting" on TTI/VA because he is biased are totally wrong. He isn't leaking only TTI's private forums because he has an axe to grind with TTI - no!

I know the real truth.

Comment removed, no need for that - Wrangler
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:37:00 - [163]

Well, now that Hiro has covered the response for the TTI pre-schools how about the rest of TTi?
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:37:00 - [164]

Well, now that Hiro has covered the response for the TTI pre-schools how about the rest of TTi?
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:44:00 - [165]

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Edited by: Byterider on 30/07/2003 15:52:39
Say all you want about TTI, what matters is we (the VA) were attacked by the most feared pirate corp in Eve and we held our ground while our attackers retired from the field of battle. It means even more when you're paid a complement along the lines of "You're not the pushovers we thought you'd be."

I feel we earned a measure of respect last night.

Carebears? Maybe, but these carebears can kill you.



Congratulations on your victory, however you do need to bear a few things in mind.

1) 4 or 5 ships should run and hide from 40. Its just common sense. If you stand and fight in that situation you are a fool.
2) The enemy is bigger than 1 battleship my friend just as you are also. You might have repulsed the enemy this time, but you haven't won the war yet.

Still considering that most major engagement victories thus fat have all been on the 'dark side of the force' so far its nice to see traders/corporates/miners repel an enemy assault.

Once again congratulations, but maintain your humility. You aren't fighting noobs.
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:44:00 - [166]

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Edited by: Byterider on 30/07/2003 15:52:39
Say all you want about TTI, what matters is we (the VA) were attacked by the most feared pirate corp in Eve and we held our ground while our attackers retired from the field of battle. It means even more when you're paid a complement along the lines of "You're not the pushovers we thought you'd be."

I feel we earned a measure of respect last night.

Carebears? Maybe, but these carebears can kill you.



Congratulations on your victory, however you do need to bear a few things in mind.

1) 4 or 5 ships should run and hide from 40. Its just common sense. If you stand and fight in that situation you are a fool.
2) The enemy is bigger than 1 battleship my friend just as you are also. You might have repulsed the enemy this time, but you haven't won the war yet.

Still considering that most major engagement victories thus fat have all been on the 'dark side of the force' so far its nice to see traders/corporates/miners repel an enemy assault.

Once again congratulations, but maintain your humility. You aren't fighting noobs.
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Hiro Protagonist
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:55:00 - [167]

Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 30/07/2003 23:04:17
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Well, now that Hiro has covered the response for the TTI pre-schools how about the rest of TTi?
Oh, I know my response was nonsense. But nonsense begets nonsense, and I'm still curious about why you lub us so much. Very Happy

Put another way, I'm trying to understand how your critique of TTI differs from: "HEY! TTI is in a regional alliance! And that regional alliance has (gasp!) pirates! And that's bad!" But you never explained why it is bad, especially given tons of other major non-pirate corps are in exactly the same kind of alliance.

So help me out here - why is it so newsworthy that TTI is in a regional alliance?

P.S. Get a sense of humour man!
Hiro Protagonist
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Posted - 2003.07.30 22:55:00 - [168]

Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 30/07/2003 23:04:17
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Well, now that Hiro has covered the response for the TTI pre-schools how about the rest of TTi?
Oh, I know my response was nonsense. But nonsense begets nonsense, and I'm still curious about why you lub us so much. Very Happy

Put another way, I'm trying to understand how your critique of TTI differs from: "HEY! TTI is in a regional alliance! And that regional alliance has (gasp!) pirates! And that's bad!" But you never explained why it is bad, especially given tons of other major non-pirate corps are in exactly the same kind of alliance.

So help me out here - why is it so newsworthy that TTI is in a regional alliance?

P.S. Get a sense of humour man!
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.30 23:22:00 - [169]

Hiro - I'll take the time to answer in detail and the question is also on the Gal-Summit forum.

FWIW some regional Alliances manage to not only do without pirates but actively avoid them and , indeed, any indivduals below a certain sec level.

What's "Interesting" with TTi is that for a "supposedly" lawful corporation its allowed itself to be manouvered into an alliance which, if it sticks by it, it must defend known pirates.

This is a paradox and how TTi resolves it, both publically and within its own ranks, is interesting.

It is also the largest single political crisis in EVE right now... it is "hot property".


The situation is not the same for SA (Stain Alliance) fairly simply because they don't really give a monkies what anybody thinks or that they cavort with pirates.

The SPC are "clean cut" through and through and represent a truly lawful "regional alliance".

The Fountain Alliance hasn't even gotten off the ground yet in reality - if its even around by the end of next week it would be an achievement.


Thus - only "poor old TTi" present us with an on-going drama.

Does the Corporation who, by needs, sells its goods to "everybody else" stay on side of good - or does it effectively say

"Please buy from us - just remember that if Pirates XY and Z attack and kill you, you musn't come after them anywhere near us , indeed if you do, we will attack you and defend them."


In all fairness to TTi it is almost without a shadow of a doubt they they simple failed to think about this.

They didn't realise they were making their own Catch 22 and publically walking right into it.

Ironically, for the membership, they are "only in this mess" because Mulligan Defense couldn't protect them inside Empire Space, ultimately the Empires and CONCORD are too blame, no doubts there, yet the Leadership of TTi have not solved the problems only exacerbated them.

TTi could have chosen to base themselves in another Region but they opted for Venal and they opted to ally with known pirates - thus creating their own problem.


[OoC]For the rest of us mere Plebians we are simply standing on the sidelines watching the drama unfold and with it watching EVE come alive as a living breathing "world".

Just bear in mind that in no other MOG could this happen on such a "global" scale. This is THE quintisntial advantage of a single-instance game, what affects one affects us all, it is not the mere "happenings" on another shard that nobody cares about.[/OoC]


The "future" for TTi is one where they either are with pirates, a deliberate chosen course of action presumeably backed by their members, or it choices some other future where it maintains its basis as a law-abiding Corporation within EVE.

As the single largest Corporation in EVE of course we are all interested.

"TTi shivers and we all catch a cold"


What the "man in the street" needs to know is:

"When we come to buy things from TTi, do we get to take them home or do we just hand them over to Space Invaders on the way out?"

For certain, if TTi stick with this alliance, anybody trying to get justice from SI at the point of a gun will find themselves also facing off against TTi.


Or will they?


Frankly - i think folks might just want to know?
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Posted - 2003.07.30 23:22:00 - [170]

Hiro - I'll take the time to answer in detail and the question is also on the Gal-Summit forum.

FWIW some regional Alliances manage to not only do without pirates but actively avoid them and , indeed, any indivduals below a certain sec level.

What's "Interesting" with TTi is that for a "supposedly" lawful corporation its allowed itself to be manouvered into an alliance which, if it sticks by it, it must defend known pirates.

This is a paradox and how TTi resolves it, both publically and within its own ranks, is interesting.

It is also the largest single political crisis in EVE right now... it is "hot property".


The situation is not the same for SA (Stain Alliance) fairly simply because they don't really give a monkies what anybody thinks or that they cavort with pirates.

The SPC are "clean cut" through and through and represent a truly lawful "regional alliance".

The Fountain Alliance hasn't even gotten off the ground yet in reality - if its even around by the end of next week it would be an achievement.


Thus - only "poor old TTi" present us with an on-going drama.

Does the Corporation who, by needs, sells its goods to "everybody else" stay on side of good - or does it effectively say

"Please buy from us - just remember that if Pirates XY and Z attack and kill you, you musn't come after them anywhere near us , indeed if you do, we will attack you and defend them."


In all fairness to TTi it is almost without a shadow of a doubt they they simple failed to think about this.

They didn't realise they were making their own Catch 22 and publically walking right into it.

Ironically, for the membership, they are "only in this mess" because Mulligan Defense couldn't protect them inside Empire Space, ultimately the Empires and CONCORD are too blame, no doubts there, yet the Leadership of TTi have not solved the problems only exacerbated them.

TTi could have chosen to base themselves in another Region but they opted for Venal and they opted to ally with known pirates - thus creating their own problem.


[OoC]For the rest of us mere Plebians we are simply standing on the sidelines watching the drama unfold and with it watching EVE come alive as a living breathing "world".

Just bear in mind that in no other MOG could this happen on such a "global" scale. This is THE quintisntial advantage of a single-instance game, what affects one affects us all, it is not the mere "happenings" on another shard that nobody cares about.[/OoC]


The "future" for TTi is one where they either are with pirates, a deliberate chosen course of action presumeably backed by their members, or it choices some other future where it maintains its basis as a law-abiding Corporation within EVE.

As the single largest Corporation in EVE of course we are all interested.

"TTi shivers and we all catch a cold"


What the "man in the street" needs to know is:

"When we come to buy things from TTi, do we get to take them home or do we just hand them over to Space Invaders on the way out?"

For certain, if TTi stick with this alliance, anybody trying to get justice from SI at the point of a gun will find themselves also facing off against TTi.


Or will they?


Frankly - i think folks might just want to know?
StavRUS
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Posted - 2003.07.30 23:44:00 - [171]

OMG TTI is the sexx0r
I tried to 0wn Venal Alliance last night, but
even my sexual powers could not defeat them.






I am so sexay, I turn on the c4tw41k

OMG OMG OGM OGM OGMLaughing
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Posted - 2003.07.30 23:44:00 - [172]

OMG TTI is the sexx0r
I tried to 0wn Venal Alliance last night, but
even my sexual powers could not defeat them.






I am so sexay, I turn on the c4tw41k

OMG OMG OGM OGM OGMLaughing
Brian Hissa
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Posted - 2003.07.30 23:58:00 - [173]

I'm beginning to think none of you got laid last night. If you got a gripe against some corp, keep it between you and the corp. Please don't go sending your angst out among the people.

You don't like how strong a corp has become, deal with it using action, not petty words. Go start a corp war. Just know that if that corp is in an Alliance don't be surprised if you find more than one corp breathing down your neck. Alliances are very real, and they are there to protect themselves, and to profit. Finally, don't be surprised when they start out growing their regions.Confused
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Posted - 2003.07.30 23:58:00 - [174]

I'm beginning to think none of you got laid last night. If you got a gripe against some corp, keep it between you and the corp. Please don't go sending your angst out among the people.

You don't like how strong a corp has become, deal with it using action, not petty words. Go start a corp war. Just know that if that corp is in an Alliance don't be surprised if you find more than one corp breathing down your neck. Alliances are very real, and they are there to protect themselves, and to profit. Finally, don't be surprised when they start out growing their regions.Confused
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Posted - 2003.07.31 00:02:00 - [175]

Morkt, stop the soap opera...
Ask me nicely and I won't pod you...
M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.07.31 00:02:00 - [176]

Morkt, stop the soap opera...
Ask me nicely and I won't pod you...
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Posted - 2003.07.31 00:06:00 - [177]

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LOL, its funny to see how all the Venal and TTI peeps saying it was a large battle and was well fought. Tbh that was nothing compared to some of the engagements we've encountered. I mean at the end Rev and myself had logged off so how many m0o/sin were there 3 or 4? Don't go claiming a victory yet because next time we will be around with more numbers. And even if we are few we can operate like that because we are patient and relentless. TTI are still full of smack talking care bears "Energy Drain Exploit!! wahahaha". Pathetic


rev wasnt logged you silly bear. he was shooting me as I did my part in destroying shollos.

oooh youve been in big battles. k?

we try to be somewhat good sports about the thing but get down played, heh. Sounds to me someone is trying to save some PR.

Next time youll come in more numbers eh? And like, while you gather that force the game just stops for everyone else? Zap it probably wont be the same force you face next time either.


And all this about, VA cant claim a victory because we sooo outnumbered them....so? Did we ask them to come to Venal? Should we just assume they want to have tea with us? Obviously they came to fight, and got dealt with.

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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.07.31 00:06:00 - [178]

Edited by: teh pR3acH3r on 31/07/2003 00:10:09
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LOL, its funny to see how all the Venal and TTI peeps saying it was a large battle and was well fought. Tbh that was nothing compared to some of the engagements we've encountered. I mean at the end Rev and myself had logged off so how many m0o/sin were there 3 or 4? Don't go claiming a victory yet because next time we will be around with more numbers. And even if we are few we can operate like that because we are patient and relentless. TTI are still full of smack talking care bears "Energy Drain Exploit!! wahahaha". Pathetic


rev wasnt logged you silly bear. he was shooting me as I did my part in destroying shollos.

oooh youve been in big battles. k?

we try to be somewhat good sports about the thing but get down played, heh. Sounds to me someone is trying to save some PR.

Next time youll come in more numbers eh? And like, while you gather that force the game just stops for everyone else? Zap it probably wont be the same force you face next time either.


And all this about, VA cant claim a victory because we sooo outnumbered them....so? Did we ask them to come to Venal? Should we just assume they want to have tea with us? Obviously they came to fight, and got dealt with.

_________________________________

Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.31 00:07:00 - [179]

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From your own website, Morkt:

Quote:
BBBB is totally apolitical. What this means in practice is that we treat all people as potential clients and do not distinguish on part of Race or Religion or Security Status or Corporation. Only those individuals or Corporations who actively attack us do we disdain from trading with.


From all I have ever seen, you most assuredly do not adhere to this philosophy. I am not saying you actively are pro-Pirate or actively anti-Corporation, but to date I have seen little if anything to indicate you even try to adhere to this, and in your "reporting" you obviously don't adhere to "normal" journalistic standards.




Missed this on first run through sorry.


You're quoting BBBB info for "Morkt's Defence Weekly" - two different things Gaelen.

The Big-Bang Burger Bar is a food chain with shareholders, board of directors, chefs and so forth.

Im not sure how a Burger can be either pro-pirate or anti-corporation but either way it has nothing really to do with MDW.

Intriguing thought though.


Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.07.31 00:07:00 - [180]

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From your own website, Morkt:

Quote:
BBBB is totally apolitical. What this means in practice is that we treat all people as potential clients and do not distinguish on part of Race or Religion or Security Status or Corporation. Only those individuals or Corporations who actively attack us do we disdain from trading with.


From all I have ever seen, you most assuredly do not adhere to this philosophy. I am not saying you actively are pro-Pirate or actively anti-Corporation, but to date I have seen little if anything to indicate you even try to adhere to this, and in your "reporting" you obviously don't adhere to "normal" journalistic standards.




Missed this on first run through sorry.


You're quoting BBBB info for "Morkt's Defence Weekly" - two different things Gaelen.

The Big-Bang Burger Bar is a food chain with shareholders, board of directors, chefs and so forth.

Im not sure how a Burger can be either pro-pirate or anti-corporation but either way it has nothing really to do with MDW.

Intriguing thought though.


   
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