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 Gaelen    |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:00:00 -
[31] From your own website, Morkt:
From all I have ever seen, you most assuredly do not adhere to this philosophy. I am not saying you actively are pro-Pirate or actively anti-Corporation, but to date I have seen little if anything to indicate you even try to adhere to this, and in your "reporting" you obviously don't adhere to "normal" journalistic standards. In a previous article, rather than provide a full, unbiased account of an event, you decided to slant an article with your own opinions and selective quotations to serve what purpose I can only hazard to guess. That being beside the point, Your above "article" is a bit misleading. First, TTI at one point in the "skirmish" had 4 of the 8 VA battleships in attendance, not two. Yes, a battleship piloted by Tolstoy was destroyed, as was a battleship piloted by Shollos. The third battleship mentioned was an unfortunate bystander, and was not a member of VA or m0o-sinister (It should be noted that m0o-sinister attacked and destroyed this bystander even though the bystander offered no resistance and was not returning fire; how manly of them.). As for Cruisers lost, there were a couple of cruisers destroyed (may have only been one), but none during the direct conflict (oh, and none were TTI cruisers, FYI). The only losses of cruisers was in random "gankings" by m0o-sinister prior the the actual engagement. You also neglected to point out the fact that during the engagement, of the 40 ships in the encounter TTI was the single largest group represented. Those ships were all on point within 30 minutes of first being notified of a potential combat situation. That's the facts. I'm sorry, but if you want to "purport" to be an unbiased source of information, you may want to be a bit more thorough in your presentation of the facts. And if you wish to portray the Venal Alliance as a "piratical alliance" fine, but just don't expect anyone here to consider you as a reliable source of accurate information. TTI does not go out looking for a fight, but you can rest assured that when one comes looking for us or VA, we will not go quietly in the night.... Sincerely, Gaelen EVP - Banking Operations Taggart Transdimensional, Inc. Akston Ventures Division |
 Gaelen Gallente The Scope |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:00:00 -
[32] From your own website, Morkt:
From all I have ever seen, you most assuredly do not adhere to this philosophy. I am not saying you actively are pro-Pirate or actively anti-Corporation, but to date I have seen little if anything to indicate you even try to adhere to this, and in your "reporting" you obviously don't adhere to "normal" journalistic standards. In a previous article, rather than provide a full, unbiased account of an event, you decided to slant an article with your own opinions and selective quotations to serve what purpose I can only hazard to guess. That being beside the point, Your above "article" is a bit misleading. First, TTI at one point in the "skirmish" had 4 of the 8 VA battleships in attendance, not two. Yes, a battleship piloted by Tolstoy was destroyed, as was a battleship piloted by Shollos. The third battleship mentioned was an unfortunate bystander, and was not a member of VA or m0o-sinister (It should be noted that m0o-sinister attacked and destroyed this bystander even though the bystander offered no resistance and was not returning fire; how manly of them.). As for Cruisers lost, there were a couple of cruisers destroyed (may have only been one), but none during the direct conflict (oh, and none were TTI cruisers, FYI). The only losses of cruisers was in random "gankings" by m0o-sinister prior the the actual engagement. You also neglected to point out the fact that during the engagement, of the 40 ships in the encounter TTI was the single largest group represented. Those ships were all on point within 30 minutes of first being notified of a potential combat situation. That's the facts. I'm sorry, but if you want to "purport" to be an unbiased source of information, you may want to be a bit more thorough in your presentation of the facts. And if you wish to portray the Venal Alliance as a "piratical alliance" fine, but just don't expect anyone here to consider you as a reliable source of accurate information. TTI does not go out looking for a fight, but you can rest assured that when one comes looking for us or VA, we will not go quietly in the night.... Sincerely, Gaelen EVP - Banking Operations Taggart Transdimensional, Inc. Akston Ventures Division |
 Morkt Drakt |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:02:00 -
[33] Arathmon - thanks for that, i take it you missed the RP element of the game entirely?  |
 Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:02:00 -
[34] Arathmon - thanks for that, i take it you missed the RP element of the game entirely? |
 Morkt Drakt |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:11:00 -
[35] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/07/2003 17:15:16 Gaelen Thank you for that. I am glad to see you totally corroborate my statements that m0o lost one battleship, TTi lost one battleship, that a third "unknown" battleship was destroyed and that a number of cruisers were also lost. Having totally corroborated my entire release i am thus bewildered by your claim of "bias". Unfortunately you didn't actually state that you witnessed all of these events first hand - so I must ask you to retract them all unless you can provide clear proof of your witnessing them - and not just going off the "entirely unbiased" opinions and posts of other VA and TTi members? Hmm... hmm? Not too mention of ocurse that your own position remains entirely biased - being a sided member of TTi and a cohort of pirates. hmm..hmm??  - - - As to your claim that the Venal Alliance is not an Alliance with Pirates: Please feel free to explain why The Venal Alliance, that openly has self-admitted pirates as members, is not an Alliance with Pirates. Forgive my utter and total confusion with this, because, for the life of me, I cannot see how an alliance with pirates is NOT a piratical alliance. Did I just miss a change in definitions somewhere? Or was it the bit on the Neocom site for the VA where they state "Pirate them or otherwise remove them from region". Feel entirely free to explain to the Galactic readership how Taggart is not "Lieing down with Pirates" or embarking on "Mutual defence" with Pirates or "Sharing" space with Pirates. And, after you ahve done all of those denials, have the same self-admitted Piratical Corporations come and do the same. Let us see them renounce their ways so that TTi can can "score a point" in that it does not do what if really does, and what everybody knows it does, which is have an alliance with piratical corporations. As I have said to your CEO: TTI members have ane xtra skill, that of being able to make big and easy targets of themselves "politically". You continue to uphold that tradition. (And for the RP blinded that is IC) |
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:11:00 -
[36] Edited by: Morkt Drak on 30/07/2003 17:15:16 Gaelen Thank you for that. I am glad to see you totally corroborate my statements that m0o lost one battleship, TTi lost one battleship, that a third "unknown" battleship was destroyed and that a number of cruisers were also lost. Having totally corroborated my entire release i am thus bewildered by your claim of "bias". Unfortunately you didn't actually state that you witnessed all of these events first hand - so I must ask you to retract them all unless you can provide clear proof of your witnessing them - and not just going off the "entirely unbiased" opinions and posts of other VA and TTi members? Hmm... hmm? Not too mention of ocurse that your own position remains entirely biased - being a sided member of TTi and a cohort of pirates. hmm..hmm?? - - - As to your claim that the Venal Alliance is not an Alliance with Pirates: Please feel free to explain why The Venal Alliance, that openly has self-admitted pirates as members, is not an Alliance with Pirates. Forgive my utter and total confusion with this, because, for the life of me, I cannot see how an alliance with pirates is NOT a piratical alliance. Did I just miss a change in definitions somewhere? Or was it the bit on the Neocom site for the VA where they state "Pirate them or otherwise remove them from region". Feel entirely free to explain to the Galactic readership how Taggart is not "Lieing down with Pirates" or embarking on "Mutual defence" with Pirates or "Sharing" space with Pirates. And, after you ahve done all of those denials, have the same self-admitted Piratical Corporations come and do the same. Let us see them renounce their ways so that TTi can can "score a point" in that it does not do what if really does, and what everybody knows it does, which is have an alliance with piratical corporations. As I have said to your CEO: TTI members have ane xtra skill, that of being able to make big and easy targets of themselves "politically". You continue to uphold that tradition. (And for the RP blinded that is IC) |
 Da5id |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:12:00 -
[37] Edited by: Da5id on 30/07/2003 17:12:10 The guy who lost a Dominix was a member of a corp named Gallentean Trading Federation or something like that - six person company, not a member of VA - and the Moo guys killed him. I kinda feed bad for him, a small corp like that will have a hard time replacing a bship like that. :( |
 Da5id |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:12:00 -
[38] Edited by: Da5id on 30/07/2003 17:12:10 The guy who lost a Dominix was a member of a corp named Gallentean Trading Federation or something like that - six person company, not a member of VA - and the Moo guys killed him. I kinda feed bad for him, a small corp like that will have a hard time replacing a bship like that. :( |
 Hiro Protagonist |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:16:00 -
[39] Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 30/07/2003 17:21:51 Morkt: The "yet unidentified, Dominix-Class Battleship belonging to others in the VA." was the part of your report that was incorrect. It was some 3rd party guy, Aliace or something was the name, I think Stavros killed him. I'll try to get the exact name from my IRC logs if you are curious. Also a question - do you classify Fountain Alliance and Stain Alliance as piratical alliances too? |
 Hiro Protagonist Gallente The Scope |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:16:00 -
[40] Edited by: Hiro Protagonist on 30/07/2003 17:21:51 Morkt: The "yet unidentified, Dominix-Class Battleship belonging to others in the VA." was the part of your report that was incorrect. It was some 3rd party guy, Aliace or something was the name, I think Stavros killed him. I'll try to get the exact name from my IRC logs if you are curious. Also a question - do you classify Fountain Alliance and Stain Alliance as piratical alliances too? |
 mk ultra |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:17:00 -
[41] One thing is for sure we had a lot of fun and I really enjoyed watching lord zap run and i know a lot more did too :P ------------------------ <Beeth> Girls are like internet domain names, the ones I like are already taken. <honx> well, you can stil get one from a strange country :-P |
 Morkt Drakt |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:17:00 -
[42] DaSid - do we actually know this guys name? Neither m0o nor TTi (or at least their CEO) or my contacts as VA know who he is - other than "a miner who had a pass in venal". |
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:17:00 -
[43] DaSid - do we actually know this guys name? Neither m0o nor TTi (or at least their CEO) or my contacts as VA know who he is - other than "a miner who had a pass in venal". |
 mk ultra British Space Corporation |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:17:00 -
[44] One thing is for sure we had a lot of fun and I really enjoyed watching lord zap run and i know a lot more did too :P |
 Morkt Drakt |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:30:00 -
[45] Hiro - Yes. Nobody seems to know who the mystery Dominix pilot is. If "you" are allied with pirates then you are in a piratical alliance. The distinction of being anti-TTi though is obscured by the suggestion that stating RUS was the Aggresor in the SAvRUS conflict is "anti-RUS" or "pro-SA". We will state our opinion. And our opinion is that TTi are incredibly emabarrased by having to admit openly they are allied with pirates. Despite the fact that "everybody" knows this TTi continue to deny it. Why? Nobody knows. You are allied with pirates. Gods man! Just admit it and get over it.  |
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:30:00 -
[46] Hiro - Yes. Nobody seems to know who the mystery Dominix pilot is. If "you" are allied with pirates then you are in a piratical alliance. The distinction of being anti-TTi though is obscured by the suggestion that stating RUS was the Aggresor in the SAvRUS conflict is "anti-RUS" or "pro-SA". We will state our opinion. And our opinion is that TTi are incredibly emabarrased by having to admit openly they are allied with pirates. Despite the fact that "everybody" knows this TTi continue to deny it. Why? Nobody knows. You are allied with pirates. Gods man! Just admit it and get over it. |
Gaelen |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:38:00 -
[47] To answer your question Morkt, yes, I was there and was involved in the operation. I am not hiding the fact that I am in TTI, what are YOU hiding? As for some of the other parts of your response, I guess you must have simply confused my post with that of some others, since I did not make some of those comments. If you want an "official" response about our being members of VA, you will have to ask the Execs. Of course, I would rather be openly known to associate with the VA members than to hide behind the guise of "reporting the facts" (Your definition of "facts" obviously is not the same as the rest of the world's). As for this statement:
I think not. In your original post, you stated:
You also stated this:
I have refuted both of those statements, as my original post so states. Unless you can provide verification yourself, unless you were THERE yourself, you can't verify anything being stated. I see no point in even bothering with you. From now on, you can say what you want, but others won't be listening (except for telling people what they want to hear, just so you can keep an audience). (Oh, and you can hide behind RP all you want, I think everyone here can tell you sleep with Pirates...) Stick a fork in Morkt, he's done. Hey! a rhyme! Gaelen EVP - Banking Operations Taggart Transdimensional, Inc. Akston Ventures Division |
Gaelen Gallente The Scope |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:38:00 -
[48] To answer your question Morkt, yes, I was there and was involved in the operation. I am not hiding the fact that I am in TTI, what are YOU hiding? As for some of the other parts of your response, I guess you must have simply confused my post with that of some others, since I did not make some of those comments. If you want an "official" response about our being members of VA, you will have to ask the Execs. Of course, I would rather be openly known to associate with the VA members than to hide behind the guise of "reporting the facts" (Your definition of "facts" obviously is not the same as the rest of the world's). As for this statement:
I think not. In your original post, you stated:
You also stated this:
I have refuted both of those statements, as my original post so states. Unless you can provide verification yourself, unless you were THERE yourself, you can't verify anything being stated. I see no point in even bothering with you. From now on, you can say what you want, but others won't be listening (except for telling people what they want to hear, just so you can keep an audience). (Oh, and you can hide behind RP all you want, I think everyone here can tell you sleep with Pirates...) Stick a fork in Morkt, he's done. Hey! a rhyme! Gaelen EVP - Banking Operations Taggart Transdimensional, Inc. Akston Ventures Division |
drunkenmaster |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:42:00 -
[49] I think it's a simple misunderstanding/turn of phrase. Although I can see how 'piratical alliance' can indicate is is an alliance *of* pirates, rather than an alliance *with* pirates. Still, nothing to get twisty knicks over.  |
 drunkenmaster Evolution Band of Brothers |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:42:00 -
[50] I think it's a simple misunderstanding/turn of phrase. Although I can see how 'piratical alliance' can indicate is is an alliance *of* pirates, rather than an alliance *with* pirates. Still, nothing to get twisty knicks over. |
 Berd |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:49:00 -
[51]
The Venal Alliance has pirate corps in it = fact. The Venal alliance is a piratical alliance = opinion. Your opinion. Opinions are neither neutral nor impartial. All I am asking is how I should read your publication. Should I read it as a "news medium"; or should I read it as an editorial publication? Oh and if it is an editorial publication, should you not post a disclaimer stating that it is not "news", but opinion? [OOC] Up until this point, I have been in character, Morkt. Do you not think that members of a corporation are not going to attempt to refute negative stories published about them? *rolls eyes* [/OOC] |
Mustafa Ken'Yova |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:49:00 -
[52] Edited by: Mustafa Ken'Yova on 30/07/2003 17:53:33 Hey Morkt, Just FYI, TTI had more then two Bships there. When m00 initially logged off and we grew tired of playing the waiting game, a *lot* of our people went on to other things. While I was only piloting two cruisers myself, I know a lot of people left as I did. At the peak of the stand off TTI had at least 4 Bships there and countless cruiser escorts. We proved our point though, and that will not be taken from us. As a side note, m00 and sinister would have suffered MUCH more losses had they had the testicular fortitude to fight instead of running / logging early in the situation. *Something else I forgot.....I had taken a screenshot of Lord Zap running as well as Rancid Milk running right after claiming that "all corporations in venal must pay 20 M per member" and some other non-sense; these screenshots, however, did not show up in my cache folder.....sadly.* Im sure a lot of people would have liked the sight of 8 Bships and 25 cruisers waiting outside a station and Lord Zap running away ;) ...... |
 Mustafa Ken'Yova Minmatar Reikoku |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:49:00 -
[53] Edited by: Mustafa Ken'Yova on 30/07/2003 17:53:33 Hey Morkt, Just FYI, TTI had more then two Bships there. When m00 initially logged off and we grew tired of playing the waiting game, a *lot* of our people went on to other things. While I was only piloting two cruisers myself, I know a lot of people left as I did. At the peak of the stand off TTI had at least 4 Bships there and countless cruiser escorts. We proved our point though, and that will not be taken from us. As a side note, m00 and sinister would have suffered MUCH more losses had they had the testicular fortitude to fight instead of running / logging early in the situation. *Something else I forgot.....I had taken a screenshot of Lord Zap running as well as Rancid Milk running right after claiming that "all corporations in venal must pay 20 M per member" and some other non-sense; these screenshots, however, did not show up in my cache folder.....sadly.* Im sure a lot of people would have liked the sight of 8 Bships and 25 cruisers waiting outside a station and Lord Zap running away ;) ...... |
 Berd Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc. |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:49:00 -
[54]
The Venal Alliance has pirate corps in it = fact. The Venal alliance is a piratical alliance = opinion. Your opinion. Opinions are neither neutral nor impartial. All I am asking is how I should read your publication. Should I read it as a "news medium"; or should I read it as an editorial publication? Oh and if it is an editorial publication, should you not post a disclaimer stating that it is not "news", but opinion? [OOC] Up until this point, I have been in character, Morkt. Do you not think that members of a corporation are not going to attempt to refute negative stories published about them? *rolls eyes* [/OOC] |
 j0rt |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:52:00 -
[55] Sigh, 2 m0o came both with some sinister, both British it was 3am we do have jobs and need sleep surprisingly. Welldone you must be excpetionally proud |
 j0rt Minmatar Brutor tribe |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:52:00 -
[56] Sigh, 2 m0o came both with some sinister, both British it was 3am we do have jobs and need sleep surprisingly. Welldone you must be excpetionally proud |
 Mustafa Ken'Yova |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:55:00 -
[57] j0rt, had the rest of your people been mustered there when we had our peak fleet, you'd all have been running the same way. Running / logging is a great way to do combat. Did the exploits run out? Is that why m00 has to resort to waiting their opponents out? Very sad. ...... |
Mustafa Ken'Yova Minmatar Reikoku |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:55:00 -
[58] j0rt, had the rest of your people been mustered there when we had our peak fleet, you'd all have been running the same way. Running / logging is a great way to do combat. Did the exploits run out? Is that why m00 has to resort to waiting their opponents out? Very sad. ...... |
Morkt Drakt |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:57:00 -
[59] Galaen you're a star. Not a very bright one, but a star nonetheless. "Sleeping with Pirates" - been thinking of a title for the interview with your CEO and you've given it right to me. I thank you. I take it that you also are in denial over being allied with piratical corporations and are just going to "skip" by that little bit? The "problem" with wanting to believe that "nobody" listens is that the opposite is true. the MDW report on TTi moving to Venal and allying itself with pirates is proven beyond any reasonable doubt. That TTi were outraged that this was made public is also factually shown on Gal-net. Over and over TTi want too present the "public" with a "goody-two-shoes" image but cannot do so whilst we continue to expose them for what they are: A corporation of low morals and scruples who will cavort with piratical corporations whilst openly denying any such actions are taking place. TTi offer their tacit support of Regionally active pirates through open alliance with them - you are providing sales on one hand and taking them away via the support of piracy on the other... intentionally or otherwise. None of which, none of which, is any real shock to the general public. The only "shock" to MDW is that TTi continues to deny it is allied with pirates despite the overwhelming evidence of being so - to the extent of being in the same political alliance as some. - - - - [OoC]Mustafa - Yeah - it will be interesting to see what happens after "hotguns" comes in. I wonder if m0o and others will become more cautious in where they go and what they do, not too mention "who fires first". Berd - yes i did think it was OoC - sry bout that[OoC] - - - <<<< if it is an editorial publication, should you not post a disclaimer stating that it is not "news", but opinion? >>>> Perhaps we can market an implant that allows people to make that distinction themselves? Some of us believe they can do so already.  |
Morkt Drakt Caldari Black Omega Security |
Posted - 2003.07.30 17:57:00 -
[60] Galaen you're a star. Not a very bright one, but a star nonetheless. "Sleeping with Pirates" - been thinking of a title for the interview with your CEO and you've given it right to me. I thank you. I take it that you also are in denial over being allied with piratical corporations and are just going to "skip" by that little bit? The "problem" with wanting to believe that "nobody" listens is that the opposite is true. the MDW report on TTi moving to Venal and allying itself with pirates is proven beyond any reasonable doubt. That TTi were outraged that this was made public is also factually shown on Gal-net. Over and over TTi want too present the "public" with a "goody-two-shoes" image but cannot do so whilst we continue to expose them for what they are: A corporation of low morals and scruples who will cavort with piratical corporations whilst openly denying any such actions are taking place. TTi offer their tacit support of Regionally active pirates through open alliance with them - you are providing sales on one hand and taking them away via the support of piracy on the other... intentionally or otherwise. None of which, none of which, is any real shock to the general public. The only "shock" to MDW is that TTi continues to deny it is allied with pirates despite the overwhelming evidence of being so - to the extent of being in the same political alliance as some. - - - - [OoC]Mustafa - Yeah - it will be interesting to see what happens after "hotguns" comes in. I wonder if m0o and others will become more cautious in where they go and what they do, not too mention "who fires first". Berd - yes i did think it was OoC - sry bout that[OoC] - - - <<<< if it is an editorial publication, should you not post a disclaimer stating that it is not "news", but opinion? >>>> Perhaps we can market an implant that allows people to make that distinction themselves? Some of us believe they can do so already. |
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