Just about everybody agrees that the damn t3 strategic cruisers are broken.

*just about everyone who doesnt have any idea what theyre talking about.

^fixed that for you.

T3s are flat out not over powered.
They are unbalanced with each other (legion im looking at you) and the different subsystems definitely could use rejigging to make more of them useful but as a ship compared to other ships, T3s are perfectly fine.

So far there have been rumors of nerfing the Tengu (which almost everyone agrees is the most broken t3 cruiser of them all...) for quite some time.

They are broken in regards to overpowering their supposedly more specialized T2 counterparts in almost every aspect.

In fact I'd say the Legion is the only one that's fine (except for being better at being a Booster than the Damnation, being a better prober than the Anathema, being a better Pilgrim than the Pilgrim itself and a better AHAC than the Zealot, but in the last two cases, cost offset works imho).

No T3 should ever surpass the specialized T2 ship in its specified role

T2 prices should be raised to subbed t3 level, because t3 price is... you know, overpowering. Also, you should lose a lvl of that t2 ship skill.

No T3 should ever surpass the specialized T2 ship in its specified role

They offer versatility for the price.

I used to love flying a legion with a locus analyzer, covert reconfiguration and an interdiction nullifier with a sisters expanded probe launcher whilst being able to fit an analyzer and a codebreaker in hostile space (well - fitting ACs and later Blasters to it was key) when T3s were introduced.

That's an example of a ship thats's still enourmously economic and being extremely versatile whilst being impossible to catch unless the pilot is drunk to the point of passing out.

A fine example of what a T3 should be. However, it still takes a fraction of the time to train for all that than training for most of the T2 counterparts, so the 4-5 days to take a sub back to V are negligible unless you're really low on SP or manage to lose them on a regular basis (in which case you should see a doctor and have your genome checked).

5 sub skills to V takes how long? So 5 skills with different stat remaps take 4-5 days total to train, right? Then you lose it when you pop. Yet it's still so much better than 1 perception/willpower skill that you keep forever, right? What are you smoking and can I haz?

So, for the price of several fitted t2 boats, I can get a set of different subs, that needs a station to fit (more difficult than swapping a ship), and it should be worse than one of these t2 boats?

See? This is why we can't have nice things - risk averse bums want to nerf expensive boats into the ground because they would never be willing to fly them anyway. The envy...

They're changing SMA's to allow you to reconfig subs in space...

Also, 5 sub skills to V takes 20-25 days. For example, getting logi, HAC's, and Recon to V takes bloody forever in comparison. But by getting all subs to V (assuming they only buff the bad subs, and not nerf any) you'll get a ship that does all of that, AND BETTER for only 20-25 days... Oh, and the worst that happens, you spend 5 days reskilling to 5.

I agree they should be worth their cost compared to the T2 ships, but they shouldn't blow some of them clear out of the water. I like where the Legion is at as a HAC, though most of its other subs need an overhaul.

ok, WHY not? people keep saying this but ive literally NEVER heard any good reason as to WHY this should be the case.

oh, and while we're on the subject BTW, the ONLY things T3s do better than T2 across the board are boost (which is already being fixed) and tank. their ewar is weaker/shorter range their logi is too short range their DPS is less than gank T2 ships (yes, even the proteus. tengu is the exception here but that's cos the nighthawk is fkn HORRIBLE and needs fixing big time.) their speed is less than T2 hell, even their tank is beaten by some T2 ships when you T2 fit them with T1 rigs.

what youre actually complaining about IS their generalization, NOT their specialization. which is ironic since you then say they should be generalized... so please, tell me again exactly how T3s are better at specific roles than T2.

See? This is why we can't have nice things - risk averse bums want to avoid having their cheap and easily trained boats nerfed to normal levels because they can't afford supercaps and want to stay invulnerable despite being scrubs- The envy...

A T3 with lvl V skilled Electronics Subs takes less time to train for than a fully trained cov ops frig whilst offering the same bonus to probing, an additional rig slot for another gravity cap upgrade, thus offering a higher potential for probe strength and an easy oiption to train for bubble-immunity at the same time within a week and a buck.

Hmm? Yes - that's what I (and Ytterbium) have been saying - they're still better at doing certain things T2 are supposed to do better because those are supposed to be more specialized. In most cases, they don't do them better, but equally good whilst providing a better tank, which is still renders them better in the end, so they're OP.