Don't use faction and dead space mods for the purpose of balancing ships.

[Tengu, level 5]
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II

[Nighthawk, level 5 dps]

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Oh that's why your DPS is so low. You're using Heavy Missiles instead of HAMs. Well you know a Tengu can hit out to 70km with HAMs and still do more DPS than either of your fits there, right?

more DPS than either of your fits there.

in EFT the dps is 475 with all level 5 skills and 4 BCUs. The Nighthawk could get 446 with just 3 BCUs

So which one does more DPS?

Also;


Yes, glaring generality.

Her fit shows t1 scourge.

637 DPS and 70km range

My main other point is how you throw out a statement that a HAM tengu can hit to 75km without clarification, as if you can just take a tengu, throw some hams on it and bingo, uber range. When in fact you need over 120mil in rigs and T2 ammo to get that range.

Yep, with inferior explosion radius, explosion velocity and rate of fire. Paper DPS is higher (with the ammo she neglected to fit), and maybe applied DPS is higher at that range too (I'm not going to check). So... 637 DPS Tengu. Awesome

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, I can be so insensitive sometimes :3

Please elabborate on how the Tengu is broken, I'm thrilled as what problems you say it has.

half truth facts

You have already stated your belief that the Tengu is way overpowered (which it isn't).

And then you throw out a partial truth which makes it sound more overpowered than it is

As a comparative example, even as broken as the Cerberus is, without any extra rigs it can hit to 103KM with javelin ammo. With T2 fuel rigs that goes to 148km with assault missiles.

Is it normal for a Cruiser to have BS tank before taking mobility into consideration, capable of close to1000 DPS and applying damage out to 70km? If it's not overpowered, then I guess this is pretty common for many cruiser class ships, right?

I see a problem with T3 ships in nullsec with larger numbers because of their incredible HP and low sig. Bomber can easily destroy battleships, but they can't kill T3's unless you have 50 well hitting bombs I guess. OP?

If an alliance can field 300 Lokis, no one can stop them. They alpha nearly everything, while they don't have to worry about bombers. OP?

They can kite very much fleet comps because of their low sig = sig/speed tanking.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

I'm just wondering - who the hell is going to field 300 T3's like that for lulz?

Just about everybody agrees that the damn t3 strategic cruisers are broken.


*tanks armor and shield thermal resists to 99% and awaits the incoming flames*

T3's, when purely fit with T2 mods are flat out worse than the T2 specialized ship.

Nerff Nerff Nerff.


Whole point of this game way back when was If a ship was overpowered you need more people to kill it.

All this game is now is nerfs.


Frigs should not be able to kill battleships.

If you spent billions on a ship it used to just own everything till a fleet came in and killed youl.

I have quit playing this game because of all the nerfs.

IF anything that should of beefed up some ships not nerf them..

Speed nerf missile nerfs ship nerfs nerf nerf nerf..


Mission nerfs isk nerfs...


I'm Done. I have 3 110 million skill point toons. Worthless.


Have to say I more happy now play othere games.. It's like not working a second job just to keep the accounts going in isk.

Enjoy the NEFS

MR NASH

Also, 5 sub skills to V takes 20-25 days. For example, getting logi, HAC's, and Recon to V takes bloody forever in comparison

But by getting all subs to V (assuming they only buff the bad subs, and not nerf any) you'll get a ship that does all of that, AND BETTER for only 20-25 days

I see a problem with T3 ships in nullsec with larger numbers because of their incredible HP and low sig. Bomber can easily destroy battleships, but they can't kill T3's unless you have 50 well hitting bombs I guess. OP?

If an alliance can field 300 Lokis, no one can stop them. They alpha nearly everything, while they don't have to worry about bombers. OP?

They can kite very much fleet comps because of their low sig = sig/speed tanking.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

HTFU

I wonder if you'll still feel this way after the T3 tiericide. We can only wait and see.

OP, both of those suggestions are just ludicrous. Sure, Tengu needs a nerf (unforuntately), but the other three are already pretty weak so why bother?

By the way, still waiting to see a fit that can do everything you claim back on page 4.

25 days for Recon 5 - I can't point with my proteus at 109km like with my lach with boosts , jam with my tengu like with my falcon, Web with loki like I can do with huggin or neut with legion like I can do with curse

25days for Logi 5 -tell me when was the last time you saw a T3 gang with T3 logistics and please screen it, I'd like to have a nice laugh.

Both being exponentially overpowered over T3's doing or capable to do same stuff.

DPS T3's? -wtf is the issue??
HACs are total complete and utter crap except Zealot, that's not T3's fault.




I just proved to you they don't, you're displacing the real problem, being Command ships worst than they should be and HACs total kitty shite.

You should train for all 4 of them, use them as you seem to be experienced with logis and recons then come again tell us your experience, you'd change your opinion for sure.

The only way to get your T3 really badass is with your toon fully TOP 5 skills trained, pirate implants in his head, strong combat boosters (25M+piece) and another T3 pilot with links/implants and probably named implants worth billions+faction fits.
Then add tons of pimpy faction/officer stuff on your combat T3 and yes, you get a good ship. That's exactly what you can expect for this ship after that much effort (about the cost of a super hull just for 2 skilled implants/fitted toons)

Flash news, not everyone flies those that way and the chances you ever get one or a gang of these is in low sec and calm null sec entries but you can be sure they gtfo asap as soon as they start seeing numbers climb, they only attack the week unlike some very known players.

You mean you can't figure out a fit with EFT? It's not difficult.

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

There you go, use whatever hardeners you like.

You seemed to get most of it. I hardly consider that a "battleship sized tank" (even considering its mobility)and at only 633m/s it would get caught and DIAF in any sort of PVP environment.

Maybe its an nice fit for PVE, but honestly does anyone really care about which ships are best for PVE? In PVP anything close to that fit that would be a nice Tengu killmail for someone.