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Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.05 01:09:00 - [121] Originally by: Arrgs It looks like a soild plan but some things that I didn't see coverd. 1. What happens in the event the security force fails and the Outpost platform is destroyed. Is this a risk the investors take or do we get a refund? In this case, 75% of the investment value would be destroyed. The remaining 25% Would be returned to Investors. The outpost is worth more alive than dead to potential invaders. Gallente Construction has only 100,000 hitpoints, so is a realistic risk. ISS corps have bought 25% of the shares, so we will be planning on avoid it :) Originally by: Arrgs 2. What happens in the unlikly event a large alliance bust out some dreads and takes over the syem and the Outpost? Firstly, It will require a sustained and massive siege of the system 23/7 for several weeks. Additionally the POS will be pretty nasty. In the event they destroy ISS sovereignty, ISS will send in Mercinaries and ISS Navy until ownership is re-established. Investment Opportunity:
Arrgs	Posted - 2005.10.05 01:27:00 - [122] Ok, thank you for answering my questions. I'll probably invest some isk in this when the public is allowed to. Oct 7th right?
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.05 09:01:00 - [123] Originally by: Arrgs Ok, thank you for answering my questions. I'll probably invest some isk in this when the public is allowed to. Oct 7th right? That is correct. Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Johnathan Roark	Posted - 2005.10.06 04:26:00 - [124] I may have missed it, but what do you expect your monthly operational cost to be? Quote: Operational Security (POS) 1.5 Bn ISK Emergency Fuel Reserves 1.5 Bn ISK Expenses ISS Deployment Security 1.0 Bn ISK ISS Transportation 1.5 Bn ISK ISS Management Fee 3.5 Bn ISK Are these yearly? one time? Quantum Industries
Phantazm	Posted - 2005.10.06 07:53:00 - [125] What makes trying to establish a market here any different than any other npc station in 0.0? Same probs exist there as any place else in 0.0 that I can see. Small market base, little protection for miners IF they would even mine the commons needed for large scale production. Just doesn't seem to be a viable biz model... but good luck with it anyway.
Kael Jorensen	Posted - 2005.10.06 08:54:00 - [126] Honestly, I wonder why ISS would even bother investing in this anyway. They will already retain control of the outpost and will be able to take a cut of whatever money is made by the outpost for operational costs and profit. In this case why doesn't ISS just sell 35 billion isk in shares and use the capital to build the outpost. Then they could pocket the extra money from shares (5-10 billion) for their efforts and would have no real risk themselves. This would allow them to build outposts that would not otherwise be built (expanding the 0.0 content) and with little to no risk themselves. Then if someone takes an outpost they are the "bad guy", ISS moves on and the investors are left to recoup what they can. How do these outposts work by the way? Do the owners get a percentage of the refined materials and sales like you see from NPC outposts? The other problem I see with this is, this outpost will definately benifit the southern alliances (if the idea pans out) and as shown by ISS the southern alliances have obviously invested significantly in this (8 Bil). That alone seems like it makes it a nice target for any alliance that might have hostilities with the south. If access will not be completely open to all that makes it even more of a target. I appreciate what ISS is hoping to achieve but I agree with others that the reason 0.0 economy has not taken off is because its so much easier to mine, produce and haul in empire that its not worth the bother in 0.0. In empire there are 100 places to buy what you need. In 0.0 if you try to herd everyone into one system the sharks will start circling. Anyway Good Luck with your outpost ISS. If your idea does work hopefully we see more initiatives like this around Eve. -NORAD-
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.06 17:28:00 - [127] Originally by: Johnathan Roark I may have missed it, but what do you expect your monthly operational cost to be? Quote: Operational Security (POS) 1.5 Bn ISK Emergency Fuel Reserves 1.5 Bn ISK Expenses ISS Deployment Security 1.0 Bn ISK ISS Transportation 1.5 Bn ISK ISS Management Fee 3.5 Bn ISK Are these yearly? one time? These costs are in the 'Build' section, therefor one-off costs. The monthly operational cost will be 0. The POS ensuring the starbases sovreignity will be self-sufficient for cost. The rest of the defence will come from the ISS Navy Budget. Investment Opportunity:
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.06 17:35:00 - [128] Originally by: Kael Jorensen Honestly, I wonder why ISS would even bother investing in this anyway. They will already retain control of the outpost and will be able to take a cut of whatever money is made by the outpost for operational costs and profit. The ISS Marginis is a separate operating investment body. The ISS will only gain profit from operation of the outpost by owning shares in it. Originally by: Kael Jorensen How do these outposts work by the way? Do the owners get a percentage of the refined materials and sales like you see from NPC outposts? Please see the FAQ and Business plan. which outline this in detail. Investment Opportunity:
Netto	Posted - 2005.10.06 20:22:00 - [129] Quote: 7. What is the expected monthly dividend % on the shares? The monthly dividend is anticipated to be around 5%, or 500,000 ISK per share per month. 5% per month eh? 20 month return on investment. Remember why everyone says that investing into advanced learning skills to 5 isn't worth it? A lot can happen in 20 months. I understand that ths is a projected amount, but is this a conservitive estimate? Netto
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.06 22:40:00 - [130] Yes 5% is a conservative estimate. :) Return on investment starts from the first month the station is operational. If you're refering to time taken for 100% return on investment, this is the wrong measure. Here is why. Investment Opportunity:
Maximus Nixon	Posted - 2005.10.06 23:46:00 - [131] so if 5% is on the conservitive, what do you expect to be the average earnings per share? would it be to much to expect that if this thing really takes off we could be looking at a potentialy huge profit? just look at what google came out at where it stands now :) im sending my money in tonight.
Kira Bellum	Posted - 2005.10.07 00:41:00 - [132] good luck. ill be watching this project A people should know when they are conquered.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.10.07 11:22:00 - [133] Originally by: Maximus Nixon so if 5% is on the conservitive, what do you expect to be the average earnings per share? would it be to much to expect that if this thing really takes off we could be looking at a potentialy huge profit? just look at what google came out at where it stands now :) im sending my money in tonight. As with all new projects, you can only project based upon the best information you have. It's entirely possible that having a station in an segment of space that otherwise doesn't have one will increase traffic in the area notably. But you can only go on what you know, as selling stuff on the basis of what you _hope_ isn't sound business :). As an investor myself, I hope that this outpost does _spectacularly_ well, because I think building more would be very cool. (And hey, maybe next time I'll be able to pull together enough to claim dibs on an office :)) Investment Opportunity:
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.07 18:06:00 - [134] Just wondering here, how many shares are people purchasing? The minimum 10 or more? -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.07 18:09:00 - [135] Originally by: Kyguard Just wondering here, how many shares are people purchasing? The minimum 10 or more? All the way from 10 to 300 pr investor Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Netto	Posted - 2005.10.07 22:49:00 - [136] Originally by: Serenity Steele Yes 5% is a conservative estimate. :) Return on investment starts from the first month the station is operational. If you're refering to time taken for 100% return on investment, this is the wrong measure. Here is why. Ah, fair enough. Wasn't thinking straight. Fascinating little project. May consider this. Netto
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.08 00:11:00 - [137] 50% of the shares are now sold. Investment Opportunity:
KOTH Fluf	Posted - 2005.10.08 04:48:00 - [138] Looks like a good target. Cya there! Fluf CEO Elite Academy Vertigo Coalition
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.10.08 12:14:00 - [139] What, if anything, makes this station different from an NPC station? There is no market in NPC 0.0 stations, why would there be any in yours? Especially with docking fees, it just doesn't seem viable. _________
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 07:42:00 - [140] Originally by: Nero Scuro What, if anything, makes this station different from an NPC station? There is no market in NPC 0.0 stations, why would there be any in yours? Especially with docking fees, it just doesn't seem viable. What makes the station different from an NPC station is that it is an Outpost, and we are able to choose where to place it. In this case it will be the only station within the region, and a better suited location for access from the southern alliances than going to empire for trade. Investment Opportunity:
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 07:43:00 - [141] 75% of Shares Sold. :) Investment Opportunity:
Ehrine Ashbark	Posted - 2005.10.09 09:02:00 - [142] It also means people can trade with those southern alliance without the alliance having to open up their space to all comers creating a security risk.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 17:26:00 - [143] Only 15% of shares remaining. Investment Opportunity:
Kaiser	Posted - 2005.10.09 20:06:00 - [144] what prevents you to add more shares (and sell )later thus lowering the dividends? in Eve, unlike in RL, there is no rule on increasing the number of shares later on.
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.09 21:06:00 - [145] Originally by: Kaiser what prevents you to add more shares (and sell )later thus lowering the dividends? in Eve, unlike in RL, there is no rule on increasing the number of shares later on. That would have to pass by a vote among the existing shareholders. Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.09 21:06:00 - [146] Btw, just 191 shares left now. Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 23:51:00 - [147] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 09/10/2005 23:55:10 All shares now sold. Do not transfer any more funds. You will now need to seek existing shareholders to arrange transfer. Due to the risk of scamming in share transfers, you need to use a trusted 3rd party. Please message N.A.G.A. if you need to ensure safe transfer of shares between parties. Investment Opportunity:
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.10.11 14:50:00 - [148] Edited by: Derron Bel on 11/10/2005 15:43:39 Oh good, I hear about it the day after it sells out Great idea, anyways! I'll buy a couple shares for +10% if anyone's for that. Think it'd be interesting. Edit: An Aside to the ISS.. maybe it would be better to store 'rapid deployment pos' at a place other than the outpost? Secure cans at safespots for instance. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Kara Kaprica	Posted - 2005.10.13 19:50:00 - [149] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: DazDoorstep Challenge ok, since no one is looking at the bigger picture so I will have to spell it out. ISS have a hidden agenda. ... OMG did I have to laugh hard at this conspiracy theory. I have to admit it could be reasonably plausable, except for the key fact that as the ISS helps colonise diverse parts of eve, we are equally bound to remain netural as other alliances and corporations are to recognise us as neutral. Were we to follow the consipiracy you describe, our member corp would leave out of principle, it would mean a hostile environment to many many of our members in other regions. Not to mention alliance scale wars that would be unsustainable to our existence. The scratching backs only works if you both do it, and we're solidly committed to remaining a pure economic entity :) Wait a minute...you're not building a clone army too are you? LOL you sir, owe me a keyboard. the fosters did not agree with it when said fosters came out of my mouth while i choked and laughed ^^ "Vengence delivered, on time and cold as ordered"
pshepherd	Posted - 2005.10.13 23:08:00 - [150] ISS seem to have bases all over EVE, in almost every section of 0.0 they seem to have a presence... maybe they are up to something And with all their funds from the POS industry... ok, i have no idea where i'm giong with this, but they 'might' be up to something!

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