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Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:36:00 - [1] Interstellar Starbase Syndicate [ISS] is building the first neutral, playerdriven trade hub in 0,0 space, accessible to all Eve-players. For the 0.0 community in the southern regions, the ISS outpost will be a neutral haven where 0.0 alliance members and private citizens from Empire can trade and exchange goods. ISS believe the outpost will help facilitate a larger permanent population in the 0.0 regions affected by it. The outpost will be built and controlled by a separate corporation controlled by ISS. The shares in this corporation will be offered for sale to all pilots in Eve. Share release plan is as follows (all times are Eve-time): 29 sep (1800 hours) to 3 oct (1800 hours) ISS member corporations and pilots 3 oct (1800 hours) to 7 oct (1800 hours) Pilots and corporations in alliances who hold stations or claim territory in Providence, Catch, Stain, Impass, Tenerifis, Immensea, and Curse 7 oct (1800 hours) to 16 oct (1800 hours) All players and corporations in Eve It is expected the outpost will be finished around the 1st of December, 2005. Potential investors: The business plan will be made public on Monday. Stay tuned for more news on this subject! Chairman, ISS
Arimas Talasko	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:40:00 - [2] Good luck Supremacy Keepin it Real Originally by: Daniel Jackson PLEASE TELL US WHY, WHY DO U WANT US TO DIE, I AM JUST GOING FRIGGEN INSAIGN
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:43:00 - [3] /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed...
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:43:00 - [4] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 29/09/2005 14:43:42 /me claps ISS is really moving Eve forward. I hope you pull it off. Edit: I hereby claim system whatever-whatever in Curse. Please let me buy some shares before they're all gone ok ? _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... /me thinks they have arranged for some protection during the build time. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:49:00 - [6] Nice work guys :) -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Death Merchant	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:03:00 - [7] Way to move forward. Hope it works out for you. Good Job. DM
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:10:00 - [8] very nice... I'm gonna keep an eye in this.. ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:10:00 - [9] Kudos, this is obviously a great step forward for ISS and Eve citizens alike.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:12:00 - [10] in the south ? where? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Bbllaarrgg	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:20:00 - [11] Good idea = keeping location hidden till its built _________________________ Insert fnord here.
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:22:00 - [12] Now this is what EvE is about, good luck! ---------------
Safronique	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... To be honest, if it is then I think that would be a shame indeed as something like this is going to be benefitial for all people in Eve. If someone comes along and tries to destroy the opportunity before it has been completed then thats just bad form as it could save their life in the future. A station that has no issues with standings that everyone can dock at will be a fresh new idea for 0.0, it would bring targets for people wanting to camp it and shoot at others and opportunities for people to stock a full market a long way out from Empire. Good luck guys, I hope it works out for Eve's benefit.
DarkMatter	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:31:00 - [14] I'll be pushing for a brothel... I need somewhere to take all these horny Minmatar slave girls I have aquired...
Gaeth hEirennan	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Safronique Edited by: Safronique on 29/09/2005 15:26:04 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... To be honest, if it is then I think that would be a shame indeed as something like this is going to be benefitial for all people in Eve. If someone comes along and tries to destroy the opportunity before it has been completed then thats just bad form as it could save their life in the future. A station that has no issues with standings that everyone can dock at will be a fresh new idea for 0.0, it would bring targets for people wanting to camp it and shoot at others and opportunities for people to stock a full market a long way out from Empire. Good luck guys, I hope it works out for Eve's benefit. What makes this such a (potentially) great thing IS the risk. The success will be determined by how well they can secure the area. I'll be watching this unfold... my version of Reality TV
Naliana	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:49:00 - [16] Huzzah!
TornSoul	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Count TaSessine Potential investors: The business plan will be made public on Monday. But, but.... You said last monday... Very much looking forward to seeing the numbers BIG Lottery [u
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Safronique Edited by: Safronique on 29/09/2005 15:26:04 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... To be honest, if it is then I think that would be a shame indeed as something like this is going to be benefitial for all people in Eve. If someone comes along and tries to destroy the opportunity before it has been completed then thats just bad form as it could save their life in the future. Its hardly benefitial to everyone in eve, like an NPC station in 0.0 space it is a major hazzard to an alliance's safety, it allows pirates and other alliances to set up a forward strike base right inside theirspace and theres not much they're gonna do about it. Its an interesting project though. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.09.29 15:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Its hardly benefitial to everyone in eve, like an NPC station in 0.0 space it is a major hazzard to an alliance's safety, it allows pirates and other alliances to set up a forward strike base right inside theirspace and theres not much they're gonna do about it. Its an interesting project though. QFT.... interesting project though.
Imran	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:03:00 - [20] Whoa guys, that is fricken awesome, the best of luck to you and your new project.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Count TaSessine Potential investors: The business plan will be made public on Monday. Stay tuned for more news on this subject! Take, I say, TAKE MY MONEY! Btw, you guys are alliance neutral, yah? Like... will you bar pirates, griefers, scammers, etc. that haven't specifically hurt you from using the station? ---
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:08:00 - [22] Best of luck to ISS on their new project, at first I was skeptical yet in approval of your alliance, but lately seeing the amount of POS's you have been able to raise, it really shows that up to now your ideals of your alliance have been successful. With a new 0.0 hub it'll make this game seem more and more like those sci-fi movies _________________________________ God is always on the side with the best artillery.
Omeega	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Imran Whoa guys, that is fricken awesome, the best of luck to you and your new project. Same here. :) ♥♥♥ Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 29/09/2005 15:55:15 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Its hardly benefitial to everyone in eve, like an NPC station in 0.0 space it is a major hazzard to an alliance's safety, it allows pirates and other alliances to set up a forward strike base right inside theirspace and theres not much they're gonna do about it. Its an interesting project though. Quoted for truth.... nevertheless, interesting project. It should prove much more interesting then npc station systems tbh. After all, if a certain group of pirates would use it in a way that damages a certain alliances interests that alliance could well make ISS suffer the consequences (i.e. take over the outpost by killing their pos's). ISS takes a pretty big gamble on being able to walk the standing tightrope well enough to not make anyone in the area step in and remove them. But it is exactly initiatives like this one that will move 0.0 space forward. Combine the new "open space, but for a fee" style alliances with stuff like this and you get interesting possibilities. Even more so considering what's in the latest production mk2 devblog. For the evolutionary value alone I'd give this venture my full support. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:32:00 - [25] Fantastic stuff, if you can create a really effective neutral zone trading hub in 0.0 space then that will be a really positive move forward. Eve Blacklight Style
Gan Ning	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:34:00 - [26] Josh is right, it can obviously also be a bad thing. I think it depends where exactly it's built really. Some factions might not want the eve equivalent of a Walmart on their doorstep - supplying all thier enemies needs during conflicts. It's bound to drag ISS into some 0.0 politics.
Faustus	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:36:00 - [27] I hope you have a plan for security issues. ****ing off the wrong people can be hazardous to your existence.
Princeps	Posted - 2005.09.29 16:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Rod Blaine ISS takes a pretty big gamble on being able to walk the standing tightrope well enough to not make anyone in the area step in and remove them. It was a genious idea letting local alliances own shares in this. Gives them a good incentive to protect the outpost.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:27:00 - [29] I suppose they could just put a pos at every moon in the system! Wheres it gonna be at?
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:29:00 - [30] in all honesty, I dream of a day when I can go to 0.0 and find a market half as lucrative as the one in rens or jita. I dream of a day when smuggling has a new meaning as individuals attempt to bring goods for sale in 0.0 space. I dream of a day when 0.0 has an infrastructure. Good luck ISS, I hope your plans might bring my dreams to fruition
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:30:00 - [31] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 29/09/2005 17:30:44 Originally by: Shin Ra I suppose they could just put a pos at every moon in the system! Wheres it gonna be at? Yes, but still, **** of too many big groups and one will come up with what's needed to wipe out enough of those pos's. Keep in mind that the outpost alone is worth quite some losses in terms of raw worth. I'd imagine the station would be quite near to empire, in a zone not used too much just yet but still offering good possibilties to people that would base from the station and use it to trade. I'm sure a few good loks at the map would come up with some candidate areas _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Jolly Focker	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:31:00 - [32] Originally by: Shin Ra I suppose they could just put a pos at every moon in the system Right, they could do that. But then again, they need to fuel those. If they have only 3 moons to cover, good job on finding that system. But in any way, the fuel costs for POS will cut down the revenue from repairing, office/factory/research rent even further.
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:34:00 - [33] on a further note, if ISS pulls this off and can make it lucrative, whats to stop them putting up more outposts of different types with the same goal in the same area? each outpost fulfills a specific role; having one of each would create empire-like infrastructure. i know its a mountainous proposal; just a thought.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:38:00 - [34] Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 29/09/2005 17:39:44 Originally by: FowlPlayChiken in all honesty, I dream of a day when I can go to 0.0 and find a market half as lucrative as the one in rens or jita. I dream of a day when smuggling has a new meaning as individuals attempt to bring goods for sale in 0.0 space. I dream of a day when 0.0 has an infrastructure. Good luck ISS, I hope your plans might bring my dreams to fruition Quit dreaming Mordith. 0.0 npc regions have an infistructure. EDIT Wherever they set it up, the local alliance most likely will take it over anyways, thats why the southern allies are so interested in it.
Jolly Focker	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:46:00 - [35] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken on a further note, if ISS pulls this off and can make it lucrative, whats to stop them putting up more outposts of different types with the same goal in the same area? Their shareholders that want to recoup their invest?
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 29/09/2005 17:39:44 Originally by: FowlPlayChiken in all honesty, I dream of a day when I can go to 0.0 and find a market half as lucrative as the one in rens or jita. I dream of a day when smuggling has a new meaning as individuals attempt to bring goods for sale in 0.0 space. I dream of a day when 0.0 has an infrastructure. Good luck ISS, I hope your plans might bring my dreams to fruition Quit dreaming Mordith. 0.0 npc regions have an infistructure. EDIT Wherever they set it up, the local alliance most likely will take it over anyways, thats why the southern allies are so interested in it. I doubt that, they wouldnt have done this without consent of the local alliances in the first place. What will stop them is exactly that consent. ISS is no military powerhouse and does not aspire to be afaik. Without cooperation by the local militarily powerfull, their efforts at building outposts would descend ito handing stations to enemies.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.09.29 18:01:00 - [37] Exactly. that like putting a 20 billion isk toy in the alliances back yard. You dont think they will take it once its done, since ISS CANT fight back.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.09.29 18:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... Na, pointless. Someone might try and take the system after it's up...taking the outpost and saving billions. But just going for the platform is a bit pointless. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
SengH	Posted - 2005.09.29 18:06:00 - [39] I think the situation that their relying on is that since other alliances have a vested interest as they (hold shares) in the outpost. It will allow the ISS to maintain a bit of neutrality and others will step in to defend their investment. What WILL be interesting however is if someone attempts a hostile takeover of the company by means of shares and wrenches control from ISS...
Avatar Ashlee	Posted - 2005.09.29 18:13:00 - [40] Yes, but wiht a trade hub and all that jaz, pirates will set up shop and go on a spree killing off the alliance. I lived in delve for 2 months without bob disturbing me, even hunted them a few times. They only hang around NOL and not much else because of all the npc stations.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.09.29 20:02:00 - [41] I think this is stupendous idea, and not just because I'm a member of ISS. There's risks involved, but hey, risk vs. reward right? And what could be cooler than being a part of such a fantastic project? Contents of my corp account I think are going this way.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.09.29 20:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Rod Blaine It should prove much more interesting then npc station systems tbh. After all, if a certain group of pirates would use it in a way that damages a certain alliances interests that alliance could well make ISS suffer the consequences (i.e. take over the outpost by killing their pos's). Hehe i wont be suprised if 2 days after its construction some corp or alliance swoops by, caps the outpost and saves themselves a 26 billion isk bill On the other hand all could go well and we might even see more ISS trade hubs in 0.0 in the future. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
DarkMatter	Posted - 2005.09.29 20:26:00 - [43] I signed up for the ISS immediately without hesitation, as I knew it was a brilliant idea. This is another one. ISS will pave the way into 0.0 for the civilian population.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.09.29 20:29:00 - [44] Actually just wondering; What would the ISS do if their station ends up in the middle of a war and both alliances want to use the outpost a stikebase? Will they allow both to access it freely turning the station and surrounding into a warzone, possibly resulting in one alliance capturing it to prevent the other from using it. Or possibly deny both access, possibly resulting in one alliance taking it anyway because they still want a strikebase? Ive never seen the ISS defense force in action or heard of them being in action for that matter. The station sounds like a risky investment though... ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Wild Rho	Posted - 2005.09.29 20:39:00 - [45] Best of luck to ISS and good work chaps, you're the first ones to truely try and develop 0.0 space instead of simply closing it off for harvesting.
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.09.29 21:35:00 - [46] It would be good not to see some alliance take you guys out after you have finished building it. You clearly seem to deserve to see this through and after that for just committing yourself to the idea and going by it knowing the risks. _________________________________ God is always on the side with the best artillery.
Beringe	Posted - 2005.09.29 21:36:00 - [47] This is the greatest step forward in 0.0 colonization since... ...well, ever. Maybe rivaled by the founding of SA, or CFS (which ultimately proved itself to be a bad idea). ------------------------------------------- Sometimes, I wake up but keep on dreaming.
Randay	Posted - 2005.09.29 21:41:00 - [48] awesome idea, but the question still remains. where? seems like this information would have to be made public before even selling the shares or building the outpost. ------------------------------------------- "Det hõr kan betyda krig!"
SaorAlba	Posted - 2005.09.29 21:49:00 - [49] How I love to see this flower grow and grow in the South. Good luck ISS with your ventures. May you prosper and flourish
Aman Sul	Posted - 2005.09.29 21:57:00 - [50] Awesome! Love to see ideas that revolutionize part of the game. "Oh yeah there's enough for erbody"
Angry Dan	Posted - 2005.09.29 22:24:00 - [51] Originally by: Naliana Huzzah! That our line But yeah, as an idea this rocks. Huzzah is trying to build a community in 0.0 We think we are succedding. Our aims and the aims of the ISS are similar, in fact there almost identical. Huzzah Federation supports this idea wholeheartedly, and we hope it suceeds. However, we have no current plans to get involved in this project. Good luck to the ISS. ++++++++++++++++++++ Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Widowmakers director Fear my kneepads of allure!
Ethan Tomlinson	Posted - 2005.09.29 23:42:00 - [52] so how does it work people invest money to get the thing built in a certain amount of shares and when things sell a little bit of the income goes to share holders?! Is eve really this complex?!!?! thats insane and a nice idea i will definitly see to it that i get some shares if i can...
Jorev	Posted - 2005.09.29 23:46:00 - [53] Nice idea but I doubt it will work. And by work, I don't mean "provide fun for lots of eve players" -- no doubt it will. But it will not work in "provide return to investors" way.
Buddrow	Posted - 2005.09.30 00:58:00 - [54] Originally by: DarkMatter I signed up for the ISS immediately without hesitation, as I knew it was a brilliant idea. This is another one. ISS will pave the way into 0.0 for the civilian population. and pvp alliances will end up smashing this "civilization" with the likes of which we have never seen before... blood baths might be coming. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Trurl	Posted - 2005.09.30 01:24:00 - [55] ISS, what changed your mind? I think we'd all be interested to know why this quite sensible view has been overturned. Trurl
DarkMatter	Posted - 2005.09.30 02:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Buddrow Originally by: DarkMatter I signed up for the ISS immediately without hesitation, as I knew it was a brilliant idea. This is another one. ISS will pave the way into 0.0 for the civilian population. and pvp alliances will end up smashing this "civilization" with the likes of which we have never seen before... blood baths might be coming. We shall see...
Orc A	Posted - 2005.09.30 02:04:00 - [57] Hmmm.. A completelly neutral station... Babylon5, anyone? (to remind you, B1, B2 and B3 were destroyed via sabotage at costraction phases :p) -Orky
BirdBleed	Posted - 2005.09.30 03:11:00 - [58] Edited by: BirdBleed on 30/09/2005 03:16:32 Letting anyone use it is not a good idea, it will be a pirate gank for all. not signed
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.09.30 03:15:00 - [59] I'm sure ISS has thought this through and knows to make the proper modifications around it to solve the problem, they are not stupid let me assure you. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Stradivarious	Posted - 2005.09.30 03:16:00 - [60] Even though I am technically hostile to ISS in certain regions, I will most likely invest in this myself... Maybe toss a couple hundred mil towards it Eventually stock may be worth something and that is chance enough for me :) Doubt I'll get docking rights as I have shot at them and most likely will in the future, but still a good investment opportunity :p Besides its only money I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool.
BirdBleed	Posted - 2005.09.30 03:18:00 - [61] Originally by: Kyguard I'm sure ISS has thought this through and knows to make the proper modifications around it to solve the problem, they are not stupid let me assure you. we shall see
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.09.30 03:23:00 - [62] It also does depend on where it is setup, that might decide its fate. Whether its going to flourish or die For example if they go and set it up 2 systems from ASCN's outpost... -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.09.30 05:12:00 - [63] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 30/09/2005 05:13:47 The very fact that it is has shareholder from all over EVE may be their best defense, as investors from all over have an interest in it's defense if an alliance decides to try to take over the area and the outpost. Pirate access could also be decided by a majority vote of the shareholders, and access could easily be cut off. The tricky part will be in determining how much the station services will cost to use. It has to generate noticable income, and yet be cheap enough for people to want to use it. Access to the area will also be an issue... but the above points and the need for the interested parties in the area (shareholders) to ensure that plenty of people are able to pass through to help generate meaningful income. It will be a good indicator of the maturity level and intelligence of the major powers in that area. PS: As many of you probably remember, this was something I had hoped to see implemented in FA space before the BOB invasion. It's a bit bittersweet, but I'm glad to see it's being given a shot. I'll be watching closely.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.09.30 06:49:00 - [64] Originally by: Vishnej Edited by: Vishnej on 30/09/2005 03:06:49 How is this in any way a superior step for the "civilian" population of Eve than just using an NPC station? I mean, props to ISS for attempting to use the game mechanics as they were intended, I just don't see much reason for the fanfare about a new neutral station that's crippled for most purposes. There's 3 factors that control the value of a house. Location, location and location. An outpost, by it's nature, depends on a good location. Which is good, because ISS management can (and probably have) decide where to build it. It may be restricted in functionality, but with the advent of freighters, that's less of a problem. OK, so you can't refine or build there, but I'm sure figuring out something in terms of bulk convoys is going to be possible.
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.09.30 07:58:00 - [65] Edited by: Darcuese on 30/09/2005 08:00:11 Edited by: Darcuese on 30/09/2005 07:58:20 I guess this is more profit for smaller corps/alliances /individuals...then to biger ones. Personaly I like adrenaline rush and bothernes to fly many jumps to get something I might not find in 0.0 O prefer it more then beeing surrounded by many "neutrals" all over systems. Its like this drugstore in my building that work 24 hour per day. Sure I can get my ciggaretes and drinks when i want to....but to many drunken/drugged ppl are present too. What do you prefer more is the question. Do you prefer capitalistic system or some sort of harmony? I would rather have such outpost on 0.0 borders to be honest. But im new in EVE so lots of things I do not understand really yet
Vegetable Oil	Posted - 2005.09.30 08:41:00 - [66] If this outpost is built where i think it is going to be built ther is 3 anti-pirate allaincs ther and at least 12 or so antipirate corps in an unofficial allaince in that area as well. I doubt pirates will be as big as an issue as some make it seems.
Tamur	Posted - 2005.09.30 09:18:00 - [67] It could possibly be the first mutual 'gentlemen's agreement' between Alliances? i.e. no one shoots at this particular venture due to the benefits for all? (especially if they eventually put up more than one) _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Solo-ing EVE 1 year at a time...
Hi'Ryan Greetos	Posted - 2005.09.30 10:47:00 - [68] Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... Yep I think it will be pretty much sooner or later destroyed not because local alliance does it but because there is always people in EVE who wants to destroy fun from others and claim "its fun to hit gate camp and die to snipers". I don't see any change for this project, sorry. Stop trying to bring "real 0.0 hub" because it ain't gonna happen. Too many party spoilers just for fun. I even will foresee FoE hiring MC to kill your outpost with dreads. Oh and those who are investing to this, good luck you will need it.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.09.30 11:12:00 - [69] Well as always, thanks for everyone's comments both positive and negative. This project has seen our team put in over 200 hours of planning just to get to the investment phase, so we're confident we have covered the angles to minimize risk while achieving a realistic business plan and share dividend projections. 'Minimize risk' being key of course, Eve is inherently risky
Avon	Posted - 2005.09.30 11:37:00 - [70] Originally by: Hi'Ryan Greetos Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... Yep I think it will be pretty much sooner or later destroyed not because local alliance does it but because there is always people in EVE who wants to destroy fun from others and claim "its fun to hit gate camp and die to snipers". I don't see any change for this project, sorry. Stop trying to bring "real 0.0 hub" because it ain't gonna happen. Too many party spoilers just for fun. I even will foresee FoE hiring MC to kill your outpost with dreads. Oh and those who are investing to this, good luck you will need it. People used to say the same thing about POS's, now you can't spit in a system without hitting 3 of the buggers. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.09.30 11:44:00 - [71] Edited by: Darcuese on 30/09/2005 11:44:42 Offcourse you spent many hours making plans how to make money with less risk possible. And offcourse you didnt plan that out of humanity and kindnes of your heart. You want to earn and I respect process you went through to make it see Sunlight. All I hope is that ppl dont have shortwiev eyes...and that there are not to many lazzy around us (I doubt). Couse in longer terms that can make you ( ISS and SOME individuals) to wealthy that would be not to much healthy for rest of us. And offcourse , individuals that have some sort of earnings atm with few "smart" skills in 0.0...will not have those earnings any more......Couse Someone else will lower prices on count of quantity they will produce. But, its human nature to be greedy and not thinking on anything else then their wallet...so I say its 50% chance of your project to become reality
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.09.30 11:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Tamur It could possibly be the first mutual 'gentlemen's agreement' between Alliances? i.e. no one shoots at this particular venture due to the benefits for all? (especially if they eventually put up more than one) that would be something... ...kinda line a DMZ zone? ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Loka	Posted - 2005.09.30 12:00:00 - [73] Nice plans, but you need military to secure the area. Or you will have a new Syndicate. With lots of pirates, the one you want to attract wont come. The one who benefit from your idear are the one not in an alliance, but stuck in empire. This ppl normaly are in empire for a reason, they cant defend themselfs. Even if alliances would see you as neutral, which i doubt, you will need military power to force your rules. How you want to prefent someone camping the gates to your outpost and kill anyone coming through. Anyone remembered why in empire the Sentry Guns where introduced? Your outpostidear is like the Empire 2 years ago, where everyone was ganked left and right. But still good luck and who knows probably it works in some way. _________________________ WANTED Dead or Alive
Corey Grim	Posted - 2005.09.30 12:01:00 - [74] GL guys for this effort i am pretty sure its gonna be hard ride to make it work the way u want but anyways nothing can be achieved if noone tryes.
DazDoorstep Challenge	Posted - 2005.09.30 12:04:00 - [75] ok, since no one is looking at the bigger picture so I will have to spell it out. ISS have a hidden agenda. Since they cannot permanently claim a 0.0 territory without military muscle they will subvert a good 0.0 system through a gesture of providing a trade service to all. Thier starbases all currently exist due to the good will of other powerful 0.0 factions. If they have a near invincible outpost as thier capital industrial base, I.S.S can establish a permanent presence in 0.0 even should their hosts decide to start shooting at them. How will they do this? They will have nearly all their starbases moved to the outpost system to occupy the moons there. The outposts will be refitted for defence only. The system they will choose will be one with ice belts so they can avoid long distance haulage through conflict times and fuel thier defence starbases. Some time down the line they will start to take sides and restrict the outposts access to certain factions whilst granting other factions access for protection. It is the first ingenious step of many that will result in a self sufficient permanent 0.0 base for ISS based on "anti-territorial" ideologies. This has long been the ideals of Jericho Fraction and others revolutionsts since the beginning, I.S.S share these ideals as does most empire corps and factions that want to operate in 0.0 without tachyons pointed at them or forced to pay tribute for travel and mining rights. This is what i believe thier master plan to be. Militaristic factions be weary of the wool being pulled over your eyes.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.09.30 12:42:00 - [76] Originally by: DazDoorstep Challenge Edited by: DazDoorstep Challenge on 30/09/2005 12:06:48 ok, since no one is looking at the bigger picture so I will have to spell it out. ISS have a hidden agenda. Since they cannot permanently claim a 0.0 territory without military muscle they will subvert a good 0.0 system through a gesture of providing a trade service to all. Thier starbases all currently exist due to the good will of other powerful 0.0 factions. If they have a near invincible outpost as thier capital industrial base, I.S.S can establish a permanent presence in 0.0 even should their hosts decide to start shooting at them. How will they do this? They will have nearly all their starbases moved to the outpost system to occupy the moons there. The outposts will be refitted for defence only. The system they will choose will be one with ice belts so they can avoid long distance haulage through conflict times and fuel thier defence starbases. Some time down the line they will start to take sides and restrict the outposts access to certain factions whilst granting other factions access for protection. It is the first ingenious step of many that will result in a self sufficient permanent 0.0 base for ISS based on "anti-territorial" ideologies. This has long been the ideals of Jericho Fraction and others revolutionsts since the beginning, I.S.S share these ideals as does most empire corps and factions that want to operate in 0.0 without tachyons pointed at them or forced to pay tribute for travel and mining rights. This is what i believe thier master plan to be. Militaristic factions be weary of the wool being pulled over your eyes. The anti-territorialists are rising with new tactics and must be crushed. Thanks, for that, I almost lost my coffee because I was laughing so hard. (Even if you are a faceless alt) Hidden agenda? Hardly. Our 'agenda' is published for all on our forums: http://forum.eve-iss.com/viewtopic.php?t=4 In my personal opinion, 0.0 is too sparse. A lawless frontier is one thing, but when you're faced with a 40 trip jump to the edges of empire, just to fill your ship with ammo, well that's hardly any fun, now is it? Infrastructure helps _everyone_ in an area, by developing markets, increasing availability of goods, and generally making otherwise almost lifeless regions more habitable. I believe that a corp or alliance does best if it focusses on it's strengths. Running starbases and outposts isn't to everyone's tastes. It is to mine, to my corp, and I believe to most of my alliance. Let us handle it, make a reasonable profit for our time, and that'll free up time for more entertaining activities.
sableye	Posted - 2005.09.30 13:33:00 - [77] so I guess this will be a gallente station? that'll be cool to see some screen shots when its built as I think all the one's been built so far have been imitar or at least I have heard of or seen pics of any other.
oidalia	Posted - 2005.09.30 13:39:00 - [78] u will need military power to make the system of ur outpost (and connecting ones) a save place to travel else it will be just a nice area for ganking squads.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.09.30 14:02:00 - [79] Originally by: Orc A Hmmm.. A completelly neutral station... Babylon5, anyone? (to remind you, B1, B2 and B3 were destroyed via sabotage at costraction phases :p) And lets not get started about Babylon 4...
shivan	Posted - 2005.09.30 14:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Safronique Edited by: Safronique on 29/09/2005 15:26:04 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel /me wonders if their platform will be destroyed... To be honest, if it is then I think that would be a shame indeed as something like this is going to be benefitial for all people in Eve. If someone comes along and tries to destroy the opportunity before it has been completed then thats just bad form as it could save their life in the future. Its hardly benefitial to everyone in eve, like an NPC station in 0.0 space it is a major hazzard to an alliance's safety, it allows pirates and other alliances to set up a forward strike base right inside theirspace and theres not much they're gonna do about it. Its an interesting project though. The difference here is tho, that once a corp/alliance proves hostile the standings can be changed to keep them out. So unlike a NPC station, the players still retain control of the docking rights to stop the ebil pirates and such like from docking there. TBH I think the best policey would be for a complete non-aggression zone in that system. If you fire, you get banned from the system and locked out of the station. Regardless of war targets, low standing etc. Regardless, something I would be intrested in buying shares in --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.09.30 14:45:00 - [81] I sense a unique opportunity for a Independant industrial organisation and independant war machine such as ooooo MC
Helmut 314	Posted - 2005.09.30 15:23:00 - [82] Defending the Outpost system itself is a task im sure ISS can manage just fine, but the routes to it will be a different story. Highwaymen dont hang out at the city gates, they wait in the deep dark woods. ___________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.09.30 17:04:00 - [83] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Orc A Hmmm.. A completelly neutral station... Babylon5, anyone? (to remind you, B1, B2 and B3 were destroyed via sabotage at costraction phases :p) And lets not get started about Babylon 4... Yes, but if anyone babylon 4's the outpost, they deserve it :).
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2005.09.30 18:07:00 - [84] Good luck, hope you can pull this off. Would be a huge landmark in Eve history. "Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated."
Rillian	Posted - 2005.09.30 18:29:00 - [85] Actually ISS way of doing this sounds really good, for those of you who even consider JF to be remotly like ISS your sadly mistaken as JF is a terrorist group while the ISS seems to be a totally neutral corp doing its best to open a portion of 0.0 as free space with trade not terror. good luck ISS
Jonkai	Posted - 2005.09.30 20:22:00 - [86] goodbye ISS :)
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.09.30 22:47:00 - [87] Originally by: Stradivarious Even though I am technically hostile to ISS in certain regions, I will most likely invest in this myself... Maybe toss a couple hundred mil towards it Eventually stock may be worth something and that is chance enough for me :) Doubt I'll get docking rights as I have shot at them and most likely will in the future, but still a good investment opportunity :p Besides its only money Thinking about the smae thig Strad.ű Someone mentioned a Gentleman's Agreement, an creating a DMZ around that outpost. TBH I do not give it a big chance, but it sound too cool to ignore it. I can imagine that we are killing each other with BOB somewhere, than have a afternoon tea there togather With an agreement like this, player alliances could show that they are realy civilised Factions and Sovenerity means more than a pice of land. I hope the leaders of the other alliances see this as well. I'm for sure if there is a chance to make this happen, I will support it. PS.: ISS, soory, but will have to keep killing you, if you come across me... but no hard feelings.. realy... PS2.: Important... read the text under my sig... - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation or that of the Imperium Alliance in any way. -
Silver Night	Posted - 2005.09.30 22:56:00 - [88] Edited by: Silver Night on 30/09/2005 22:56:09 Because many parts of 0.0 don't ahve any nearby stations. Would be quite interested in this. ------------------ Silver Night Director -Production and Science Help the State, Make tens of millions! The Summit
Ramireza	Posted - 2005.10.01 01:28:00 - [89] THIS is what i ALWAYS dreamed off.... A great idea ISS Forgive me for shooting you in the past
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.10.01 01:43:00 - [90] hmm ive been thinking about where they should put it and my opinion is somewhere in Providence, simply because its the only 0.0 region i know without any stations at all whether npc or pcs :) ---------------
Silver Night	Posted - 2005.10.01 02:55:00 - [91] By teh same token, bring a market station, there probably isn't much of a marklet in providence, not too many people live there all the time. Coure, could be a good place too, guess they will do thier research. ------------------ Silver Night Director -Production and Science Help the State, Make tens of millions! The Summit
Aceformat	Posted - 2005.10.01 03:24:00 - [92] I've gotta say this is a very large step for anyone to take really. But will it really bring that much in the way of commerce, most alliances if not all alliances are self sufficient able to build, research, refine, thier own stuff, the only thing that would sell in this "Hub" would be NPC loot?? Also, getting to and from this place is going to be like a rat race ... will I make it though the next system? Which Pirate corp hangs out down here? Even if the system/Region does become "Zoned" with an agreement from alliances not to shoot travellers, what happens to the travellers after this area? Most alliances have a NBSI/KOS policy within their home regions and again the systems set aside by alliances for traversing or "Free space" is frequented by pirate corps such as the short bus squad (Sry guys your name came to me first) who will kill anything that moves .... quickly Sorry I'd love to see it work, but for the simple reasons above I doubt the "Neutral" station will work at all, and for more reasons just look through this thread!
Sorja	Posted - 2005.10.01 04:37:00 - [93] In other words, you re-invented Switzerland Cool idea, I hope for you it is successful Kill mails
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.01 12:25:00 - [94] Originally by: DazDoorstep Challenge Edited by: DazDoorstep Challenge on 30/09/2005 12:06:48 ok, since no one is looking at the bigger picture so I will have to spell it out. ISS have a hidden agenda. ... OMG did I have to laugh hard at this conspiracy theory. I have to admit it could be reasonably plausable, except for the key fact that as the ISS helps colonise diverse parts of eve, we are equally bound to remain netural as other alliances and corporations are to recognise us as neutral. Were we to follow the consipiracy you describe, our member corp would leave out of principle, it would mean a hostile environment to many many of our members in other regions. Not to mention alliance scale wars that would be unsustainable to our existence. The scratching backs only works if you both do it, and we're solidly committed to remaining a pure economic entity :)
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.01 14:50:00 - [95] Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: DazDoorstep Challenge ok, since no one is looking at the bigger picture so I will have to spell it out. ISS have a hidden agenda. ... OMG did I have to laugh hard at this conspiracy theory. I have to admit it could be reasonably plausable, except for the key fact that as the ISS helps colonise diverse parts of eve, we are equally bound to remain netural as other alliances and corporations are to recognise us as neutral. Were we to follow the consipiracy you describe, our member corp would leave out of principle, it would mean a hostile environment to many many of our members in other regions. Not to mention alliance scale wars that would be unsustainable to our existence. The scratching backs only works if you both do it, and we're solidly committed to remaining a pure economic entity :) Wait a minute...you're not building a clone army too are you? -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Ehrine Ashbark	Posted - 2005.10.01 19:40:00 - [96] Good job I wasn't drinking when I read that or I'd have blown a load of it out of my nose into my keyboard :)
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2005.10.01 21:26:00 - [97] Edited by: Cell Satimo on 01/10/2005 21:26:50 Gratz on your project. Been good working with yall in Period Basis. I hope this doesn't mean you'll be moving out. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
quellious	Posted - 2005.10.02 12:02:00 - [98] Hi, I'm sorry but i still do not understand the purpose of such an outpost ? If you really want to developp economy in 0.0, you have plenty non-conquerable NPC stations in Delve, where everyone can dock, with factory, laboratory, and all usefull infrastructure. You just need to fill them with items. You could already test the 'Neutral-Hub' idea with those stations. The only reason i see for an outpost is to lower POS fuel consumption. Question now is : Who will benefit from those POS ?
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.02 13:54:00 - [99] Originally by: quellious Hi, I'm sorry but i still do not understand the purpose of such an outpost ? If you really want to developp economy in 0.0, you have plenty non-conquerable NPC stations in Delve, where everyone can dock, with factory, laboratory, and all usefull infrastructure. You just need to fill them with items. You could already test the 'Neutral-Hub' idea with those stations. The only reason i see for an outpost is to lower POS fuel consumption. Question now is : Who will benefit from those POS ? Keyword is everyone. If they build an outpost, they will be able to control it a lot easier than if it was an NPC station. Plus, cmon...its an outpost since when have you docked at one? The benefits of the POS bonus will most likely be used by the ISS as they manage a large number of these. -- God is on the side with the best artillery
JoCool	Posted - 2005.10.02 14:11:00 - [100] Great vision, make it come true! It'll be a fine place to exchange loot. But to be honest, I think CCP should give 2 or 4 guns or missile bays with these stations - so they're able to maintain a no-fire zone around the station.
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.02 14:38:00 - [101] Originally by: JoCool Great vision, make it come true! It'll be a fine place to exchange loot. But to be honest, I think CCP should give 2 or 4 guns or missile bays with these stations - so they're able to maintain a no-fire zone around the station. Yes please -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.02 18:44:00 - [102] Originally by: quellious Hi, I'm sorry but i still do not understand the purpose of such an outpost ? If you really want to developp economy in 0.0, you have plenty non-conquerable NPC stations in Delve, where everyone can dock, with factory, laboratory, and all usefull infrastructure. You just need to fill them with items. You could already test the 'Neutral-Hub' idea with those stations. The only reason i see for an outpost is to lower POS fuel consumption. Question now is : Who will benefit from those POS ? The purpose of the outpost is to establish a trade Hub to become the Yulai of 0.0, the southern regions were chosen for their proximity to a set of neutral space and distance from NPC stations. The reason the NPC stations in delve can't be used for the same purpose is that last time I looked, BoB claimed Delve and KOS anyone they haven't approved in the area. Investment Opportunity:
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.10.02 19:03:00 - [103] BoB could certainly do it there if they wanted to; but since they haven't yet, apparently they don't want to. ISS does, and is working towards it. Celt Corp - members of ISS
Alithieniel Cascade	Posted - 2005.10.02 20:37:00 - [104] nice
Fillmeup	Posted - 2005.10.02 22:44:00 - [105] Originally by: JoCool Great vision, make it come true! It'll be a fine place to exchange loot. But to be honest, I think CCP should give 2 or 4 guns or missile bays with these stations - so they're able to maintain a no-fire zone around the station. Now that is a fantastic idea. Would be nice to see a station that would fire on anyone who aggresses within, say, 150km of the station. Purely to keep it friendly is all, and with no exemptions to stop it being used as a weapons platform on innocent parties. I must admit I doubt the financial return on such a project, as it needs to be in that sweet spot between empire and 0.0 / away from other stations. However, this is true empire building, and I love the fact that ISS is trying. Good luck ISS. Make sure you have quite a few large POS's in system completely outfitted with weapons platforms
Evil Thug	Posted - 2005.10.02 23:00:00 - [106] Dances around station, evil pirates gathering flowers, everyone happy. That is boring. We will destroy your outpost. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
Silver Night	Posted - 2005.10.02 23:01:00 - [107] They can have any agenda they want. I don't really care if they take over every 0.0 system there is. As long as I profit on my investment, I'm happy. ------------------ Silver Night Director -Production and Science Help the State, Make tens of millions! The Summit
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.10.02 23:13:00 - [108] oh joy, the possibility's plz build 100 of those
Tido Maliyu	Posted - 2005.10.02 23:57:00 - [109] Edited by: Tido Maliyu on 02/10/2005 23:58:02 I like this idea. Only thing is that exept if you get like a police force in that system and the systems that lead there your gonna have a problem with people actually going there. 1 factor that would make people wanna go there is asteroid belts with good ore. But since it is 0.0 and people can shoot any1 without any major loses so this will only be a possibility for big corps/alliances with protection. even then bob or some1 else would make a fleet and go on a gankingspree. Now if some1 wanted to take over the outpost they would have to do one thing: fight of all the other alliances.now that would result in a major war zone but you would restore peace sometime. probably not after a very long time because you would be outnumbering 1/10. Ofcourse if they would unite you would come accross another problem: ISS would get kicked out some people would get mad at ISS because they ahve stuff locked down and ISS would basically have to go hide in a dark corner of empire where noone will know where they are. If ISS manages to get some military power or people have a sence of right and wrong this thing might work. I hope it does! Good luck ISS -------------------------- 0_o?
sableye	Posted - 2005.10.03 00:04:00 - [110] Originally by: Amthrianius hmm ive been thinking about where they should put it and my opinion is somewhere in Providence, simply because its the only 0.0 region i know without any stations at all whether npc or pcs :) wow neve rntoiced that before it seems like a bug it des'nt have conqourables at least as every non claimed region is supposed to have them.
TURBOman	Posted - 2005.10.03 17:06:00 - [111] Mmmmm sounds like an idea with a future, lets just hope it all goes well...
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.03 17:10:00 - [112] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 03/10/2005 17:10:48 Phase A of Investment raised just over 8Bn ISK in 72 hours. Phase B of Investment is now open. This is for the Neighbouring Alliance Corporations and Pilots. See ISS Marginis Outpost site for more information. The complete business plan, timings and investment calculation are listed. Investment Opportunity:
Fraps	Posted - 2005.10.03 19:21:00 - [113] so as a member of the Stain Alliance, I can buy shares right? even though they still list stain as contested?
Spaja Saist	Posted - 2005.10.03 19:23:00 - [114] Edited by: Spaja Saist on 03/10/2005 19:23:21 The sad part is the *******s in this game will go out of their way to destroy what ISS is trying to build. Those types get off on ruining other peoples day.
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.03 19:37:00 - [115] Originally by: Fraps so as a member of the Stain Alliance, I can buy shares right? even though they still list stain as contested? Yes, you can. Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Dezzyb0y	Posted - 2005.10.04 00:08:00 - [116] Its a hostile takeover i tell you! when they own 50% of eve we'll all have to give the rest to em =/ ----------------------- K4rls 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I perfectly strikes Republic Fleet Testing Facilities, wrecking for 1395.9 dama
Denrace	Posted - 2005.10.04 00:28:00 - [117] Good job! Impressed, I am. ____________________________________________
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.04 21:15:00 - [118] Originally by: Silver Night By teh same token, bring a market station, there probably isn't much of a marklet in providence, not too many people live there all the time. Coure, could be a good place too, guess they will do thier research. Neighbouring alliance populations (potential visitors) The figures below show number of pilots in the alliances claiming the neighbouring regions. While not all these people are expected to trade or actually reside in the regions, it is an indication of the size of the Eve-Population in the area. Huzzah 258 CVA 241 The Confederation 313 Stain-Alliance 2452 Ascendant Frontier 2259 Firmus Ixion 1073 The Five 1078 Stain Empire 397 Veritas Immortalis 597 Red Alliance 696 Interstellar Starbase Syndicate 1000 Total population nearby 10350 Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.04 21:17:00 - [119] Thats a lot of people -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Arrgs	Posted - 2005.10.04 21:50:00 - [120] It looks like a soild plan but some things that I didn't see coverd. 1. What happens in the event the security force fails and the Outpost platform is destroyed. Is this a risk the investors take or do we get a refund? 2. What happens in the unlikly event a large alliance bust out some dreads and takes over the syem and the Outpost?
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.05 01:09:00 - [121] Originally by: Arrgs It looks like a soild plan but some things that I didn't see coverd. 1. What happens in the event the security force fails and the Outpost platform is destroyed. Is this a risk the investors take or do we get a refund? In this case, 75% of the investment value would be destroyed. The remaining 25% Would be returned to Investors. The outpost is worth more alive than dead to potential invaders. Gallente Construction has only 100,000 hitpoints, so is a realistic risk. ISS corps have bought 25% of the shares, so we will be planning on avoid it :) Originally by: Arrgs 2. What happens in the unlikly event a large alliance bust out some dreads and takes over the syem and the Outpost? Firstly, It will require a sustained and massive siege of the system 23/7 for several weeks. Additionally the POS will be pretty nasty. In the event they destroy ISS sovereignty, ISS will send in Mercinaries and ISS Navy until ownership is re-established. Investment Opportunity:
Arrgs	Posted - 2005.10.05 01:27:00 - [122] Ok, thank you for answering my questions. I'll probably invest some isk in this when the public is allowed to. Oct 7th right?
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.05 09:01:00 - [123] Originally by: Arrgs Ok, thank you for answering my questions. I'll probably invest some isk in this when the public is allowed to. Oct 7th right? That is correct. Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Johnathan Roark	Posted - 2005.10.06 04:26:00 - [124] I may have missed it, but what do you expect your monthly operational cost to be? Quote: Operational Security (POS) 1.5 Bn ISK Emergency Fuel Reserves 1.5 Bn ISK Expenses ISS Deployment Security 1.0 Bn ISK ISS Transportation 1.5 Bn ISK ISS Management Fee 3.5 Bn ISK Are these yearly? one time? Quantum Industries
Phantazm	Posted - 2005.10.06 07:53:00 - [125] What makes trying to establish a market here any different than any other npc station in 0.0? Same probs exist there as any place else in 0.0 that I can see. Small market base, little protection for miners IF they would even mine the commons needed for large scale production. Just doesn't seem to be a viable biz model... but good luck with it anyway.
Kael Jorensen	Posted - 2005.10.06 08:54:00 - [126] Honestly, I wonder why ISS would even bother investing in this anyway. They will already retain control of the outpost and will be able to take a cut of whatever money is made by the outpost for operational costs and profit. In this case why doesn't ISS just sell 35 billion isk in shares and use the capital to build the outpost. Then they could pocket the extra money from shares (5-10 billion) for their efforts and would have no real risk themselves. This would allow them to build outposts that would not otherwise be built (expanding the 0.0 content) and with little to no risk themselves. Then if someone takes an outpost they are the "bad guy", ISS moves on and the investors are left to recoup what they can. How do these outposts work by the way? Do the owners get a percentage of the refined materials and sales like you see from NPC outposts? The other problem I see with this is, this outpost will definately benifit the southern alliances (if the idea pans out) and as shown by ISS the southern alliances have obviously invested significantly in this (8 Bil). That alone seems like it makes it a nice target for any alliance that might have hostilities with the south. If access will not be completely open to all that makes it even more of a target. I appreciate what ISS is hoping to achieve but I agree with others that the reason 0.0 economy has not taken off is because its so much easier to mine, produce and haul in empire that its not worth the bother in 0.0. In empire there are 100 places to buy what you need. In 0.0 if you try to herd everyone into one system the sharks will start circling. Anyway Good Luck with your outpost ISS. If your idea does work hopefully we see more initiatives like this around Eve. -NORAD-
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.06 17:28:00 - [127] Originally by: Johnathan Roark I may have missed it, but what do you expect your monthly operational cost to be? Quote: Operational Security (POS) 1.5 Bn ISK Emergency Fuel Reserves 1.5 Bn ISK Expenses ISS Deployment Security 1.0 Bn ISK ISS Transportation 1.5 Bn ISK ISS Management Fee 3.5 Bn ISK Are these yearly? one time? These costs are in the 'Build' section, therefor one-off costs. The monthly operational cost will be 0. The POS ensuring the starbases sovreignity will be self-sufficient for cost. The rest of the defence will come from the ISS Navy Budget. Investment Opportunity:
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.06 17:35:00 - [128] Originally by: Kael Jorensen Honestly, I wonder why ISS would even bother investing in this anyway. They will already retain control of the outpost and will be able to take a cut of whatever money is made by the outpost for operational costs and profit. The ISS Marginis is a separate operating investment body. The ISS will only gain profit from operation of the outpost by owning shares in it. Originally by: Kael Jorensen How do these outposts work by the way? Do the owners get a percentage of the refined materials and sales like you see from NPC outposts? Please see the FAQ and Business plan. which outline this in detail. Investment Opportunity:
Netto	Posted - 2005.10.06 20:22:00 - [129] Quote: 7. What is the expected monthly dividend % on the shares? The monthly dividend is anticipated to be around 5%, or 500,000 ISK per share per month. 5% per month eh? 20 month return on investment. Remember why everyone says that investing into advanced learning skills to 5 isn't worth it? A lot can happen in 20 months. I understand that ths is a projected amount, but is this a conservitive estimate? Netto
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.06 22:40:00 - [130] Yes 5% is a conservative estimate. :) Return on investment starts from the first month the station is operational. If you're refering to time taken for 100% return on investment, this is the wrong measure. Here is why. Investment Opportunity:
Maximus Nixon	Posted - 2005.10.06 23:46:00 - [131] so if 5% is on the conservitive, what do you expect to be the average earnings per share? would it be to much to expect that if this thing really takes off we could be looking at a potentialy huge profit? just look at what google came out at where it stands now :) im sending my money in tonight.
Kira Bellum	Posted - 2005.10.07 00:41:00 - [132] good luck. ill be watching this project A people should know when they are conquered.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.10.07 11:22:00 - [133] Originally by: Maximus Nixon so if 5% is on the conservitive, what do you expect to be the average earnings per share? would it be to much to expect that if this thing really takes off we could be looking at a potentialy huge profit? just look at what google came out at where it stands now :) im sending my money in tonight. As with all new projects, you can only project based upon the best information you have. It's entirely possible that having a station in an segment of space that otherwise doesn't have one will increase traffic in the area notably. But you can only go on what you know, as selling stuff on the basis of what you _hope_ isn't sound business :). As an investor myself, I hope that this outpost does _spectacularly_ well, because I think building more would be very cool. (And hey, maybe next time I'll be able to pull together enough to claim dibs on an office :)) Investment Opportunity:
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.07 18:06:00 - [134] Just wondering here, how many shares are people purchasing? The minimum 10 or more? -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.07 18:09:00 - [135] Originally by: Kyguard Just wondering here, how many shares are people purchasing? The minimum 10 or more? All the way from 10 to 300 pr investor Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Netto	Posted - 2005.10.07 22:49:00 - [136] Originally by: Serenity Steele Yes 5% is a conservative estimate. :) Return on investment starts from the first month the station is operational. If you're refering to time taken for 100% return on investment, this is the wrong measure. Here is why. Ah, fair enough. Wasn't thinking straight. Fascinating little project. May consider this. Netto
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.08 00:11:00 - [137] 50% of the shares are now sold. Investment Opportunity:
KOTH Fluf	Posted - 2005.10.08 04:48:00 - [138] Looks like a good target. Cya there! Fluf CEO Elite Academy Vertigo Coalition
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.10.08 12:14:00 - [139] What, if anything, makes this station different from an NPC station? There is no market in NPC 0.0 stations, why would there be any in yours? Especially with docking fees, it just doesn't seem viable. _________
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 07:42:00 - [140] Originally by: Nero Scuro What, if anything, makes this station different from an NPC station? There is no market in NPC 0.0 stations, why would there be any in yours? Especially with docking fees, it just doesn't seem viable. What makes the station different from an NPC station is that it is an Outpost, and we are able to choose where to place it. In this case it will be the only station within the region, and a better suited location for access from the southern alliances than going to empire for trade. Investment Opportunity:
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 07:43:00 - [141] 75% of Shares Sold. :) Investment Opportunity:
Ehrine Ashbark	Posted - 2005.10.09 09:02:00 - [142] It also means people can trade with those southern alliance without the alliance having to open up their space to all comers creating a security risk.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 17:26:00 - [143] Only 15% of shares remaining. Investment Opportunity:
Kaiser	Posted - 2005.10.09 20:06:00 - [144] what prevents you to add more shares (and sell )later thus lowering the dividends? in Eve, unlike in RL, there is no rule on increasing the number of shares later on.
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.09 21:06:00 - [145] Originally by: Kaiser what prevents you to add more shares (and sell )later thus lowering the dividends? in Eve, unlike in RL, there is no rule on increasing the number of shares later on. That would have to pass by a vote among the existing shareholders. Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Count TaSessine	Posted - 2005.10.09 21:06:00 - [146] Btw, just 191 shares left now. Chairman, ISS Investment Opportunity:
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2005.10.09 23:51:00 - [147] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 09/10/2005 23:55:10 All shares now sold. Do not transfer any more funds. You will now need to seek existing shareholders to arrange transfer. Due to the risk of scamming in share transfers, you need to use a trusted 3rd party. Please message N.A.G.A. if you need to ensure safe transfer of shares between parties. Investment Opportunity:
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.10.11 14:50:00 - [148] Edited by: Derron Bel on 11/10/2005 15:43:39 Oh good, I hear about it the day after it sells out Great idea, anyways! I'll buy a couple shares for +10% if anyone's for that. Think it'd be interesting. Edit: An Aside to the ISS.. maybe it would be better to store 'rapid deployment pos' at a place other than the outpost? Secure cans at safespots for instance. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Kara Kaprica	Posted - 2005.10.13 19:50:00 - [149] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Serenity Steele Originally by: DazDoorstep Challenge ok, since no one is looking at the bigger picture so I will have to spell it out. ISS have a hidden agenda. ... OMG did I have to laugh hard at this conspiracy theory. I have to admit it could be reasonably plausable, except for the key fact that as the ISS helps colonise diverse parts of eve, we are equally bound to remain netural as other alliances and corporations are to recognise us as neutral. Were we to follow the consipiracy you describe, our member corp would leave out of principle, it would mean a hostile environment to many many of our members in other regions. Not to mention alliance scale wars that would be unsustainable to our existence. The scratching backs only works if you both do it, and we're solidly committed to remaining a pure economic entity :) Wait a minute...you're not building a clone army too are you? LOL you sir, owe me a keyboard. the fosters did not agree with it when said fosters came out of my mouth while i choked and laughed ^^ "Vengence delivered, on time and cold as ordered"
pshepherd	Posted - 2005.10.13 23:08:00 - [150] ISS seem to have bases all over EVE, in almost every section of 0.0 they seem to have a presence... maybe they are up to something And with all their funds from the POS industry... ok, i have no idea where i'm giong with this, but they 'might' be up to something!

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