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Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:13:00 - [1] - Quote I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features. I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4123	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:16:00 - [2] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features. I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics. That doesn't sound right, as our Win XP users would have issues. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 1415	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:22:00 - [3] - Quote Although I would very much like CCP to move onto DX11, but there are too many people running terrible rigs dragging us down. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Montevius Williams Eclipse Industrial Inc 497	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:24:00 - [4] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features. I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics. That doesn't sound right, as our Win XP users would have issues. Nothing says lack of progress like running antiquated systems. Seriously, if EVE cant feature state of the art assets becasue of Windows XP - wow I cant believe people still run XP. I mean, damn, didnt Windows stop supporting XP like 5 years ago? I ould be wrong, but If they are still supporting it, that cant be doing so for long. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4123	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:28:00 - [5] - Quote Montevius Williams wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: I recall during the FF recorded coverage that in the Animation Q&A one of the devs mentioned somethig along he lines that the next expansion will be having DX 11 features. I might have miss heard, or CCP is finally moving from DX 9 graphics. That doesn't sound right, as our Win XP users would have issues. Nothing says lack of progress like running antiquated systems. Seriously, if EVE cant feature state of the art assets becasue of Windows XP - wow I cant believe people still run XP. I mean, damn, didnt Windows stop supporting XP like 5 years ago? I ould be wrong, but If they are still supporting it, that cant be doing so for long. People latched onto XP as a finally stable version of Windows like it was a life preserver in a sea of stormy OS's. It's easy to overlook how buggy and more importantly how insecure it is when it runs halfway decently. Note: I haven't run XP for a loooong time. Too many programs I use won't run on it as it is so out of date. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Trendon Evenstar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 185	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:33:00 - [6] - Quote Stop adding things that make large fleet fights lag thanks
Angie Akachi 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:35:00 - [7] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Note: I haven't run XP for a loooong time. Too many programs I use won't run on it as it is so out of date. Really? What "Programs" are u talking about, that only run in Vista/Win7/Win8 or do u mean "Apps" for metro?
Ryal Acami Hedion University Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:36:00 - [8] - Quote XP is still supported by Microshaft till April 2014. So no more security updates after that time. People will have to bite the bullet and upgrade after that or suffer an ever increasingly insecure platform
Alexa Coates Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC 517	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:37:00 - [9] - Quote Trendon Evenstar wrote: Stop adding things that make large fleet fights lag thanks man am i glad ccp doesn't listen to you asshats anymore. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
AbhChallenger Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:43:00 - [10] - Quote Windows XP WAS an amazing OS. Well ahead of it's time and it's stability was what propelled entire industries forward. However recently it is doing little more than slowing everything down. The issue is more to do with the fact that for hardware such as sound and graphics XP and modern windows systems are completely different. Forcing drivers to be written for those who simply refuse to upgrade. When XP support is fully dropped next year it will mean that there will only ONE overall driver system that has to be supported and that ought to do a great deal to improve PC gaming. For DX11 it get's complicated. WoW has had a DX11 rendering system for years now. Simply because it is faster. For EVE however an issue caused by supporting two graphics systems can affect the sandbox for a time. An example can be looked at as the update that caused first generation Intel Atom based netbooks to be unable to open EVE. At first it did not seem like much but many were using the inexpensive hardware to do EVE activities at work. The point I am trying to say is that when the time for DX11 comes.. It needs to be a complete switch in my opinion. And the timing of such is crucial. People are going to have to buy new laptops (desktops can be upgraded with a 20-40 USD card for DX11 these days) And doing it to speed things up like WoW will not convince them of the worth. it has to involve massive visual improvements in my opinion. Trendon Evenstar wrote: Stop adding things that make large fleet fights lag thanks Please educate yourself about the difference between Direct X 9 and Direct X 11.
Noriko Mai 818	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:48:00 - [11] - Quote http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/eve-online-and-dust-514-continue-to-grow-in-harmony-as-odyssey-uprising-and-eve-fanfest-approach/ [...] GÇ£WeGÇÖve actually gone through some pretty radical transformations on the technology through [EVE's first] 10 years,GÇ¥ Fannar explains. The PC MMO has transitioned over time from DirectX 9 to DirectX 11, which CCP has up and running in-house. [...]
Oberine Noriepa 1190	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:51:00 - [12] - Quote Noriko Mai wrote: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/eve-online-and-dust-514-continue-to-grow-in-harmony-as-odyssey-uprising-and-eve-fanfest-approach/ [...] GÇ£WeGÇÖve actually gone through some pretty radical transformations on the technology through [EVE's first] 10 years,GÇ¥ Fannar explains. The PC MMO has transitioned over time from DirectX 9 to DirectX 11, which CCP has up and running in-house. [...] Interesting. Also, you can spot a few DX11 Trinity files when updating the client for the test servers.
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 1389	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:53:00 - [13] - Quote Yay an excuse to buy a new PC that the capitals expenditures committee (also known as "The Wife") might actually accept. Apparently "Because I want one" remains unconvincing. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain.
Montevius Williams Eclipse Industrial Inc 498	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:56:00 - [14] - Quote Trendon Evenstar wrote: Stop adding things that make large fleet fights lag thanks Hey look, it's Arwens cousin. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14063	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:58:00 - [15] - Quote If they were even close to moving to DX11, it would be impossible to miss. So no, they're not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 1389	Posted - 2013.05.07 16:59:00 - [16] - Quote Tippia wrote: If they were even close to moving to DX11, it would be impossible to miss. So no, they're not. Don't you dare tell my wife that. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14063	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:05:00 - [17] - Quote De'Veldrin wrote: Tippia wrote: If they were even close to moving to DX11, it would be impossible to miss. So no, they're not. Don't you dare tell my wife that. Just tell her that you need to invest now in order to iron out any stability issues ahead of time. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á
rofflesausage State War Academy Caldari State 79	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:15:00 - [18] - Quote Trendon Evenstar wrote: Stop adding things that make large fleet fights lag thanks Being a Goon, I know you actually don't care, but DX11 uses proper multi-threaded instructions. This means overall better performance, even when using no more complex features over DX9.
Super spikinator Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum 160	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:17:00 - [19] - Quote I remember when this game ran on windows 95. Then they wanted people to run at least windows 2000. CCP have also tried optional graphics patches, which had an amusing result.
Ager Agemo Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 291	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:26:00 - [20] - Quote personally I find it sort of ridiculous that we are still being dragged down by XP, I admit it was one of the best OS ever made, but now a days windows 7 works just as good if not way better, and a DX11 card is worth what? 50$. last I hear only 5% of the people is sticking to XP on eve. maybe CCP could risk sacrifying those and in return become more modern and get a new influx of players that have been put off due to performance and shiny issues, lets admit it... EVE runs on a DX engine that is stone age old by now...
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4124	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:27:00 - [21] - Quote Angie Akachi wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Note: I haven't run XP for a loooong time. Too many programs I use won't run on it as it is so out of date. Really? What "Programs" are u talking about, that only run under Vista/Win7/Win8 or do u mean "Apps" for Win8 metro thinggy? I'm also interested in what actual DX11 features EvE could use, except for the sleeker more faster API calls. I guess tessellation maybe, but this also works to some degree under DX9. I work with, in part, some fairly sophisticated control software that needs custom programming. Many of the apps to work with those control systems require at least Windows 7 to function properly. Additionally, running Windows XP is forbidden at the University where I work due to some rather extreme security issues that XP is prone to. Occasionally for some of our older equipment it would be handy to have an XP based system around to run now out of date software on to interface with them... which draws a lot of laughter and a firm "NO" from the Desktop Support and Networking departments. Yes, XP was wonderful (comparatively) in it's day. Currently, however, it is sadly lacking as far as supporting modern technologies and is very, very insecure. It's still useful for those that don't do anything of an overly serious nature with their machines (read getting full benefit from modern hardware and software), but the scope of it's usefullness is dwindling daily. Now that it is no longer officially supported, that situation will deteriorate at an ever increasing pace. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Dheeradj Nurgle Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 361	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:28:00 - [22] - Quote Blame XP, Damn, that dino should just die already.
C DeLeon Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded 119	Posted - 2013.05.07 17:39:00 - [23] - Quote If the graphics will stay the same no one will have the need to upgrade their cards and CCP will never be able to upgrade the game both in graphics and physics. Instead of an instant dx11 ugrade they try to encourage ppl step by step. I played the game on almost minimal graphical settings and the new warp effect was the reason I upgraded my computer. I'm sure many people will feel the same with optional dx11 effects.
Untanas Volmyr Running with Knives Nexus Fleet 9	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:20:00 - [24] - Quote When the time comes. All they have to do is make dx11 an optional executable. Everyone's happy. Tesselation in space would be a site to see.
AbhChallenger Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:37:00 - [25] - Quote Untanas Volmyr wrote: When the time comes. All they have to do is make dx11 an optional executable. Everyone's happy. Tesselation in space would be a site to see. That works in World of Warcraft. NOT in EVE. Supporting two graphics pipelines requires more staff. As otherwise you end up spending valuable dev time trying to figure out why some feature works in DX9 but not DX11 or vise versa. Such issues can affect the sandbox. Not everything in gaming can be a checkbox. WoW gets away with it because that game brings in brazillions of dollars.
Murk Paradox Red Tsunami Moon Warriors 337	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:41:00 - [26] - Quote EDITED- Already posted, nm. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details.
Saheed Cha'chris'ra Krautz WH Exploration and Production 26	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:45:00 - [27] - Quote So i keep reading about CCP changing the lightning-system of our beloved Eve in the next expansion. I would appreciate more details on that. But: If they are creating a new lighting-system still running on DX9... meh. I don't hope they do.
Harry Forever Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:53:00 - [28] - Quote the only one slowing down the game are people with low end PCs, upgrading to new technic is never a disadvantage OMG! the asteroid is depleted!
Jonah Gravenstein Khalkotauroi Defence Labs 8248	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:54:00 - [29] - Quote The only places that XP belongs these days is in a virtual machine, embedded systems (most the DIY checkouts in supermarkets run XP, when they work that is) or on low end laptops and netbooks, it's a 12 year old operating system and doesn't support a lot of the hardware that has become commonplace in the last 5 years, it also has some serious security issues that go back years. DX11 would be nice, but while people are still running an OS that is over a decade old, it's not going to happen. A war hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Tony Asanari 1	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:00:00 - [30] - Quote Saheed Cha'chris'ra wrote: So i keep reading about CCP changing the lightning-system of our beloved Eve in the next expansion. I would appreciate more details on that. But: If they are creating a new lighting-system still running on DX9... meh. I don't hope they do. While sure DX11 is nice and shiny, the "main" features are mainly related to tessellation and geometry shaders. Most other graphic subsystem are just easier to maintain/program and run faster. So far i don't know any game "lighting" system that wont run on DX9. The most common currently used lighting system is basically what Crysis 2 was using and u can compare there Dx9 vs Dx11 like here: Crysis 2 dx9 vs dx11 So yes DX11 has advantages in regards to geometry deformations and post processing, but nothing spectacular is missing that cant be also done in Dx9. Ofc just switching to Dx11 and getting rid of the Dx9 code, might be more economical in regards to coding hassles and maintaining it. bye Tony

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