I agree that unless they are willing to all in to make full use of DX11. It is not worth it.

DX9 use is not a metric tho in my opinion. DX9 Is due to XP and XP is out in 2014.

Ho yes please explain me how much secure how much stable and how much performing XP is over Win8, yeah, me would like to have a good laugh.

Xp was an awesome OS just like you said in a time where most OS's were bullcrap but now I think I can safely say Win8 is just a pure little beast when you put some effort to adapt or just use a 3rd party little addon that makes if just awesome.

If you only play with your PC, use some light exell stuff, agenda etc you know, small stuff, yeah Xp is still ok, my smartphone does it too and I can even play HD films/vids on it...
Try to run some professional software with heavy calculations (architecture or engineering) on XP and the same on Win8 to see the difference, it's really amazing how perceptible this difference is.

So you're fine with forcing a lot of people to pay several hundred dollars (at least) just to continue playing? But it's okay, right? Cause it's not like you have to do anything to get all the shinies you want.

I seriously doubt CCP feels the same way. You can either get a job with CCP to help them develop an optional DX 11 client, or you can shut up and wait for them to do so, or you can just shut up and deal with it.

Yeah, I'm sure the number of people who were using Gen 1 Atoms comes anywhere close to the number of people running DX11 incompatible hardware.
Get real.

I'm saying that a lot of people are unable to upgrade, and you wanting your shinies isn't enough justification to force people to spend money they may not have or simply stop playing.

How about you shut up and deal with it and upgrade your toaster, or go back to playing Pong

Just please start thinking about what you can do IF they decide to make a DX11 only client and give you hopefully a very long heads up on it.

All I'm gettin at is that when the amount of new subs lost becomes greater then subs lost to upgrading the product, its time to upgrade the product.

I was PISSED when they nixed the linux client. Which was also the classic graphics client. They didn't go under then, and more people play the game now.

CCP has exact figures on how many of their subscribers that are running which OS.

No amount of shouting in either direction is going to change those figures.

EvE has a ton of oldschool players. Unfortunately, they are unwilling and/or unable to upgrade from XP. I think the saying "you can't teach a old dog new tricks" definately applies. Even though the differences between XP and windows 7 are virtually non-existant. I wouldn't recomend windows 8, as the difference would likely blow their minds. They don't even release service packs for XP anymore, its so outdated. They're literally leaving their systems vunerable to modern advancements, all because of their attachment to what they are used to.

Seriously, XP people, upgrade your rigs. You're holding all of EvE back from sweet modern graphics. We don't want to have to wait for you to all die off before it happens!

Only if you pay to upgrade it for me. Why should I have to pay more just because you want a graphics update?
Go play Crysis 3 if you want cutting edge graphics.
You're the one who should shut up and deal with it.

That's a bit of a false dichotomy, though. There's nothing to suggest that they gained any more subscribers just because they upgraded to a DX9 path, and the reason they didn't go under was exactly because they didn't just go DX9 GÇö they offered it to those who wanted it and could use it, and retained the old path for those who could not until the number of people in that category was so small that it was lost in the noise of other lost subscribers.

Also, trying to shore up (short-term) numbers by wowing people with graphics that, in the end, don't matter much when hidden behind all those windows (or when zoomed out to give a good tactical perspective) and which are not a long-term source of retention, at the cost of people who have invested lots of time GÇö to say nothing of multiboxing alt accounts GÇö is a pretty bad idea. The notion that you can exchange your old customer base for a new one GÇö even partly GÇö is fairly well disproven these days.

Anyway , the main lesson from Trinity was that dual rendering paths suck. Doubly so if it means you have to duplicate every effort in adjusting or adding graphical assets. In fact, it was rather amazing how long they kept the classical client going when you consider the added workload.

I would suggest slowly trying to upgrade now so that you don't have to be so sour in threads talking about and speculating about Direct X 11.

and you are the reason the rest of us who have invested time and money building or buying our rigs so we can play games on constant 60fps with beautiful visuals have to suffer below par standards.

I didn't force you to invest your time and money. That was your choice. If you knew the state of graphics in EVE and upgraded your rig past what was necessary to run it anyway, and are now demanding that CCP improve the graphics to justify your purchase, then you're an absolute moron.

Does improving visual quality require switching to a version of DirectX that a significant number of players are unable to run?
If not, then CCP isn't at the point where this is actually a serious issue.

Right now all you people are really saying is that you're upset you don't have tessellation because your ultra powerful gaming computer automatically entitles you and you want everyone who can't run DX11 to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars upgrading their machines or buying new ones just so you can have it.

I would, if my graphics card weren't soldered directly to the motherboard.

Well, you're going to have to upgrade or get a new computer sometime.

or are you saying CCP should never improve the eve client so you can use the same pc for eve forever?

Does improving visual quality require switching to a version of DirectX that a significant number of players are unable to run?
If not, then CCP isn't at the point where this is actually a serious issue.

Right now all you people are really saying is that you're upset you don't have tessellation because your ultra powerful gaming computer automatically entitles you and you want everyone who can't run DX11 to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars upgrading their machines or buying new ones just so you can have it.

I didn't force you to invest your time and money. That was your choice. If you knew the state of graphics in EVE and upgraded your rig past what was necessary to run it anyway, and are now demanding that CCP improve the graphics to justify your purchase, then you're an absolute moron.

Yay an excuse to buy a new PC that the capitals expenditures committee (also known as "The Wife") might actually accept. Apparently "Because I want one" remains unconvincing.

I didn't force you to invest your time and money. That was your choice. If you knew the state of graphics in EVE and upgraded your rig past what was necessary to run it anyway, and are now demanding that CCP improve the graphics to justify your purchase, then you're an absolute moron.

There are many many people who will never again buy a dx9 game.

They will have to upgrade again, its just how the industry works.

Eve has the potential to be absolutely breathtaking, but you oxygen thieves need to either nut up or shut up. and catch the rest of us up in 2013 not 2003.