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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:33:00 -
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I believe he means that it is midly homosexual |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
109
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:40:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I believe he means that it is midly homosexual
Still doesn't make any sense. I wish I were a cat. That way, I could kill things and people would applaud - instead of screaming out "OH GOD NO, NOT MY DAUGHTER!" |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
772
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Posted - 2013.05.20 00:35:00 -
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That nerf was long past due. And that's coming from a fulltime lo- and hisec explorer.
4/10 should be for HAC in losec or BC in hisec (they're almost ideal for the latter, in fact.). 5+/10 (losec only except for a vanishingly small chance of certain anomaly-escalations) for T3, so they are actually, you know, challenged.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1308
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:34:00 -
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Just a quick note: taking a Strat Cruiser into a DED3 is just embarassingly fail... That's like bringing a T2-fit BC into an L1 mission in 1.0 space. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Existential Anxiety
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:58:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Just a quick note: taking a Strat Cruiser into a DED3 is just embarassingly fail... That's like bringing a T2-fit BC into an L1 mission in 1.0 space.
well taking a t3 into ded3 or ded 4 makes totally sin. My tengu was very versatile and thats the purpose of t3s: versatility .
i needed only one ship to do the exploration. I scanned with it. traveled the low sec for escalations with different subsystem.
with doing the exploration at first in a scanning ship and then the pve ship it is just time taking and thus making less isk/h , a fiddling and anoying process.
all my mods and subs placed well in y cargo, from time to time i just docked up droped teh valuable loot and needed to buy more missiles..
with the new changes coming the versatility drops. The problem that people seeing with t3 beeing overused for exploring will be the same and stay, it will just be moved to another ship type some day...
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Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.05.20 03:08:00 -
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Mother Drone wrote:Although i welcome the ban of T3s for DED 3/10 and 4/10 ... it won't change anything in high-sec. The problem lies mainly in the horrible "balance" of modules and game mechanics. Of course i'm talking about useless and therefore worthless modules like passive armor resi mods (except EANMSs), worthless blood raider pirate imps, worthless NOS mods and energy transfers. EANMS and repper being the only valuable mods. Nobodys earns big money in Amarr high-sec. Gallente and Minmatar space is ok ... they have a good bunch of great modules and pirate imps. But the king of the hill - as always - is Caldari space. There is indeed a lot of money to be made. How long does it take to run a DED 4/10 complex in a T3? I don't know but i DO know, that it's only 10-15 minutes in an ordinary fitted all-in-one Ishtar. For peoples staying always in high-sec, a gank fitted ship is even faster.
When i was a noob long long ago i was doing DED 3/10 and 4/10 static complexes in low-sec ... in my comedy fitted Vexor competing against pirates (and losing most of the time - either my ship or the run for the loot^^) .
LOL@ "but ... but ... we specialized in high-sec exploration - we can't do that without our pimp fitted T3s..." It's like being a pr0 swimmer in a beginner pool.
Best post in a terrible thread. |
Lucas Irvam
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 04:39:00 -
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The schadenfreude in this thread is strange, given that it seems totally misplaced. Hisec T3 blitzers don't have some unnatural fixation with strategic cruisers, they just use the most efficient ship for the job. With the T3 restrictions on 4/10's, they'll just move down the line to the second most efficient, whatever that may be.
Anyone that was serious about DSP-hunting 4/10's was already in a T3, so the poor noobies in meta 1 Drakes who don't know any better will still get beaten to the loot, it'll just be a different hull passing them by is all.
The actual issue is 500mil modules dropping in hisec, and until that gets resolved (either by moving the module, or by CCP taking a hard look at why the market regards it that highly), the hisec competition circus won't really change. What if CCP had changed the loot tables so that the priciest 4/10 mods only dropped in the lowsec version of the plex? More $$ for exclusive lowsec dwellers, more hisec bears taking risks for loot (the prices would certainly rise as they got more rare, tempting even the most risk-adverse explorers), and more targets for pirates. Couldn't that be a win for everyone all around?
The T3 restriction treats the symptom, not the problem. |
Jonas Staal
Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus
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Posted - 2013.05.20 06:57:00 -
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I am kind a confused to why this is a good thing. I'm using a T3 in high myself, so I might be biased.
But: Using a T3 made it possible to run these sites without extra scanner, and with "mediocre" skills.
Now everyone in high that was flying a T3 will be flying HACs, without scanning bonus on the hull. Not sure how easy it'll be to scan sites without grav rigs, but I'm guessing if your skills are high enough it's possible.
So in the end the change is that T3's are replaced with HACs, which are more skill intensive to get into, and require more support skills.
Doesn't this make things worse? |
Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
208
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:17:00 -
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It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1041
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:35:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players. The new scanning system makes any ship with a probe launcher on it able to scan down any PVE site, so no it has nothing to do with the scanning gap. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes |
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
208
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:46:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players. The new scanning system makes any ship with a probe launcher on it able to scan down any PVE site, so no it has nothing to do with the scanning gap.
it has everything to do with the combat ability gap though, sorry i didn't make that clear. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
170
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Posted - 2013.05.20 08:22:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players.
I don't think it matters much.
The old farmers will just fly hacs, and since hacs can racially tank with minimal resist modules due to base resists, should see the hac with an extra weapon, an extra damage module, and one of the new scan rangefinding array IIs, and the player will of course have extra skills. Should always have 50% more dps, and should still be fine to AB straight to the objective in the last pocket.
I'm mostly exploring lowsec now, but will be even more tempting to use my alt to scan and a brutix for making troub^h^h^h^h ahem sorry "making emergent content".
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
170
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Posted - 2013.05.20 08:48:00 -
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Lucas Irvam wrote:
The actual issue is 500mil modules dropping in hisec, and until that gets resolved (either by moving the module, or by CCP taking a hard look at why the market regards it that highly), the hisec competition circus won't really change. What if CCP had changed the loot tables so that the priciest 4/10 mods only dropped in the lowsec version of the plex? More $$ for exclusive lowsec dwellers, more hisec bears taking risks for loot (the prices would certainly rise as they got more rare, tempting even the most risk-adverse explorers), and more targets for pirates. Couldn't that be a win for everyone all around?
The T3 restriction treats the symptom, not the problem.
I did 2 ded 5s on the weekend, i enjoy doing them, but it is a very different experience. Loot table in the serp one is about same value as the gso, but the 40mil+ OPE always drops - ie its probably net more valuable per run. There seems to be compensation in the faction loot table as well (ie drops more often to make up for it being a single entity).
However it took 1hr10 for one and 1hr45 for the other, such is the effects of other players on operational freedom. A lot of the time, was time spent cloaked. I like all that stuff, but its going to be a long hard road to redefine the game that way. Amongst other things, lowsec is too small for a signfiicant influx, and that is a far harder problem than one imagines to solve.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
426
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:19:00 -
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^ you can do an 5/10 in under 40 minutes in an 110mio ship. Shoot everything, never cloak ;-) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
171
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:09:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:^ you can do an 5/10 in under 40 minutes in an 110mio ship. Shoot everything, never cloak ;-)
if they move ded 4 running to lowsec more, then they take 10 minutes or so, bit easier to find the window of opportunity for that.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4995
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:32:00 -
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Seems that I move from a non-combat scanner + do-it-all-lazy-ass T3 combo to anti-frigate scanner + BC combo. From an initial viewing the time doing 3/10s might increase slightly, while time needed to do 4/10s actually decreases. I'll have to see, if I can make a fast AB fitted prober for the 3/10s. Even if I can't, the difference seems to be minor overall. So the main affect this has for me is ship change, a reduced cost of potential ship loss and a opportunity to fly other ships types in PvE again. Doesn't seem like a particularly good or bad change and certainly nothing to get excited about. Just the same old in new(old) ships. |
Graplok
RandomJive Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:32:00 -
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I do some HiSec exploration in a Brutix hunting DED 4/10s or Radar sites with a core probe scanner (ok i'm a noob). But whenever I do find the sites I rarely get beaten to the loot dropper and have no trouble running the Serpentis site. Also I do the whole site not just cherry picking the rat with the loot.
As a low SP character this is likely a good change as hopefully there will be a lot more sites, especially coupled with the deep core probe removal in Odyssey. |
KardelSharpeye
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.05.21 16:14:00 -
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Graplok wrote:I do some HiSec exploration in a Brutix hunting DED 4/10s or Radar sites with a core probe scanner (ok i'm a noob). But whenever I do find the sites I rarely get beaten to the loot dropper and have no trouble running the Serpentis site. Also I do the whole site not just cherry picking the rat with the loot.
As a low SP character this is likely a good change as hopefully there will be a lot more sites, especially coupled with the deep core probe removal in Odyssey.
Everyone will have DSP's now and scanning seems a lot easier so if anything there will be more competition. |
Graplok
RandomJive Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 16:33:00 -
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KardelSharpeye wrote:Everyone will have DSP's now and scanning seems a lot easier so if anything there will be more competition. Ok so I must be really mistaken, I thought the DSPs were to be removed entirely and would become Core Probes on Odyssey? |
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:56:00 -
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Basically he's saying that now everytime you go into a system, you'll know if there are any sigs in the system or not. This means we don't even have to drop our initial DSP probe. The new system scan is essentially our dsp.
And if you think this will stop cherry picking, nada. I used to do this even with just regular probes. You just had to pay extra attention if it was a large system (ie more than 64au).
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dexington
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
643
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:32:00 -
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It just means that faction and T2 cruiser are going to replace the T3 cruisers, i don't think the change is going to have any major impact on the game, you can probably still blow up the GSO telescope before you reach looting distance. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
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HEH |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
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LOL |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
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CCP |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
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This expansion is hilarious. |
XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:49:00 -
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I'm so damn excited right now. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5051
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:02:00 -
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dexington wrote:It just means that faction and T2 cruiser are going to replace the T3 cruisers, i don't think the change is going to have any major impact on the game, you can probably still blow up the GSO telescope before you reach looting distance.
That is the most likely outcome of all this for pure highsec explorers. I think the more significant change is the new hacking/archeology site mechanic. You now have a realistic option of pimping a pure travel fitted hacking ship with no real combat ability and go solo in any area of space for good loot and low risk. Depending on the minigame difficulty it could also mean, that non-specialized ships start to increasingly abandon doing those sites, since the failure rate gets too high, which means loads of wasted time for little to no loot. We might end up in a situation where do-it-all exploration ships will be the minority and exploration gets divided into more clear specializations each with their own FOTM ships. |
dexington
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
644
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:12:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:We might end up in a situation where do-it-all exploration ships will be the minority and exploration gets divided into more clear specializations each with their own FOTM ships.
I have my doubts, while the new hacking mechanic does seem pretty cool, it's going to take some reward re-balancing to make it a worthwhile profession on it's own. More people are probably just going to be flying around with analyzers and code breakers in the cargohold, at least in high and low-sec where there is not shortage of stations for refitting. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
198
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:23:00 -
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What does this accomplish? They aren't needed for these plexes now they are just shineys people like to use. You could restrict these sites to T1 (no faction) hulls only and it's still a race where you will loose to the better equipped and experienced guy.
Just another step towards making high sec explo sites "private" once someone warps to it. |
Sir Livingston
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
195
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:08:00 -
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Well it's a good thing most eve players have the innate ability to adapt I can hear the complaints now... "gah! i hate dem *insert HAC/Faction Cruiser here* ! they steal all ma loots!" ...or something like that
...but to be honest I live in low-sec so...yeah... i create videos about the EVE Universe http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
chat channel: Club Deadspace |
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