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Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Existential Anxiety
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Posted - 2013.05.19 03:03:00 -
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see the this post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3049605#post3049605 for the coming nerf not yet mentioned to us players... |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
1855
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Posted - 2013.05.19 04:59:00 -
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Good, that situation is/was ridiculas. |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
233
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:21:00 -
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hahahaha if specialized for exploration means a t3 in highsec, well just HUAHUAHUAHUHAUHUHA! You can trust me, I have a monocole |

Julius Priscus
109
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Posted - 2013.05.19 05:31:00 -
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good job and about freaking time that 3&4/10s stopped allowing t3 ships.
these can be run **** easy in hacs both of them. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
200
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Posted - 2013.05.19 06:40:00 -
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about time. |

marVLs
156
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Posted - 2013.05.19 07:48:00 -
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Soooo now only Ishtar, Sacrilage and Drake Navy for HS deds |

Lucretia DeWinter
Somali Coast Guard BootCamp
1
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:00:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Soooo now only Ishtar, Sacrilage and Drake Navy etc for HS deds
What? A Caracal does just fine. These sites didn't allow BC hulls in the first place.
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marVLs
156
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:18:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:marVLs wrote:Soooo now only Ishtar, Sacrilage and Drake Navy etc for HS deds What? A Caracal does just fine. These sites didn't allow BC hulls in the first place.
Pretty sure BC are allowed on 4/10, or i'm wrong?
Yeah Caracal can do it fine so why peoples flying T3? Because it's easier and better, just tank everything, kill overseer, don't bother rest NPCs, and dat scanning bonus 
With Ishtar, Sacri, Drake Navy You can fit them to perma tank full room, and have 2 free meds for scanning mods  Like always players will find new king of HS deds ;)
Sad that my HS deds Legion will go RIP  |

Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
201
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Posted - 2013.05.19 08:44:00 -
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Yeah this needed to be done, it made the barrier to entry for these sites incredibly high as if you weren't in a T3 cruiser, chances are a T3 cruiser will come to your site and steal your loot as you watch helplessly.
BCs fit into 4/10s but 3/10s and Cruisers only if I'm not mistaken. |

Zappity
Kurved Space
90
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Posted - 2013.05.19 09:50:00 -
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Great, about time. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
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Darth Kilth
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
90
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Posted - 2013.05.19 10:35:00 -
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Finally the T3 cruisers won't be the end all of ships for exploration. |

Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
10
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Posted - 2013.05.19 11:02:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Soooo now only Ishtar, Sacrilage and Drake Navy etc for HS deds
That, or Cov-Ops + DPS fit BC teams. |

Pacifyn
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.19 12:17:00 -
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I dont know, i honestly think that t3 were kinda made for exploration, so making them no longer usefull in hi-sec is kinda gay |

l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
426
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Posted - 2013.05.19 12:48:00 -
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Sleipnir is go :) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |

Caljiav Ocanon
13
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Posted - 2013.05.19 12:48:00 -
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Pacifyn wrote:I dont know, i honestly think that t3 were kinda made for exploration, so making them no longer usefull in hi-sec is kinda gay
How on earth did you come to this conclusion?
Tech IIIs should probably be banned from HiSec... Something along the lines of the empires/concord not wanting their citizens to come in contact with sleeper tech would actually make more sense.
The tears would be delicious as they say.
-edit- I live in null so I could care less. Though I fly through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am aligned to a safespot and warping out. - Me 2013 |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
201
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Posted - 2013.05.19 12:57:00 -
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yes, high sec "exploration" where in empire space not every corner of those systems has been visited already 
if it were up to me there wouldn't be any exploration sites in high sec at all. |

Sarmatiko
1117
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Posted - 2013.05.19 13:55:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Sleipnir is go :) Not very comfortable TBH, because 3/10 still restricted for BC/Command ships. Ishtar is go 
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
426
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:18:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:Sleipnir is go :) Not very comfortable TBH, because 3/10 still restricted for BC/Command ships. Ishtar is go 
I never fly 3/10 German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |

GreenSeed
296
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:28:00 -
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good change imho, t3s are exploration ships that's clear, but they weren't balanced on hsec, specially when vets were racing against newbs. and lets not forget that t3 were kings of exploration mainly due to the expanded probe launchers, which now are moot.
after the buffs to t1 hulls you could do those plexes with a caracal... so should they finally flag highsec sites for pvp no one will care for t1 hulls.
navy and pirate hulls are also fine for sites. for a good 6 months i lived off hsec explo and never used anything other than a gila. |

Mnemosyne Gloob
Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc.
101
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:31:00 -
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Oh my, thats funny! I can't wait for the patch to actually roll out, the wide public to notice this and make rage filled posts including threats to unsub their tengu pilots. 
Nevermind that other FOTM boats will be emerge quickly. Interesting also for the lowsec DED 4 sites, i would think. |
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
204
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:37:00 -
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more people encouraged to actually participate in non-high sec activities the more fun it is for me :3
to asplode them |

marVLs
156
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:44:00 -
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From what i see new kings of 3 and 4/10 DEDs in HS will be:
Cerberus for guristas and serpentis Sacrilage for angel (also good for serpentis) Onyx very good for angel, and (also super tanky) for guristas, serpentis ^Yeah HAMs rule again
And no love for amarr exploration again... Bad drops and no specially good ships for it like for other factions |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
204
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:56:00 -
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Isn't Sacrilege amarr |

marVLs
156
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:59:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Isn't Sacrilege amarr
Yeah but You must consider highest base resists for certain rats, to not waste slots for additional resists etc |

SFM Hobb3s
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:14:00 -
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This will effectively change little. In short time you'll see it's exactly the same as it was before...perhaps I'll just be flying a different ship when your site gets jacked.
On the other hand, not allowing t3's into Ded's is going to make it much easier to kill whoever's in one. |

Zevv Kal'Jael
Risei e no shinrai
3
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:26:00 -
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hehe bann t3s out of highsec.. nice thing i love it. YEAH..
This easy one ship scanning making milliards in highsec never where a good idear. T3 are designed for WH and low/0.0 exploration and thats where they have to be. Not running highsec and make i impossible to do sites for non t3 pilots.
Rest of the changes.. i dont realy care about |

marVLs
156
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:57:00 -
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Zevv Kal'Jael wrote:hehe bann t3s out of highsec.. nice thing i love it. YEAH..
This easy one ship scanning making milliards in highsec never where a good idear. T3 are designed for WH and low/0.0 exploration and thats where they have to be. Not running highsec and make i impossible to do sites for non t3 pilots.
Rest of the changes.. i dont realy care about
Can i upset You? 
Cerberus for serpentis/guristas: http://scr.hu/4s/x4x9b
Sacrilage for angel: http://scr.hu/4s/g3brf
Pimped but T3s scanning pilots don't regret ISK for thier ships. As You can see those ships thanks to new medium slot scanning mods would be theoretically not worse from T3s. Yeah sensor strenght is little weaker but better deviation (and You can change deviation mod for another sensor strenght so probes strenght would be like on T3s). Maybe tank and DPS is a little weaker than tengus but ship itself have more EHP (better protection from gank), it's not so expensive, and risking skill loss.
And thanks to scanning changes and sensor overlay everything gets even easier.
Yeah HACs and HDictors will get some rebalance love but everything suggest (even devs) that it won't be nerf.
Another case it's HS 4/10 DEDs and myth about tengus making billions on it... well it's totally bulls... on good regions there's big competition, scanning (before odyssey) is boring and takes time, and good drops are rare. Lvl4s and Incursions will give You more ISK.
Also met new king of WH scanning: http://scr.hu/4s/ugr42 |

l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
426
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:35:00 -
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Tengu will do better. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |

Mother Drone
Transcendent Breed
1
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:57:00 -
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Although i welcome the ban of T3s for DED 3/10 and 4/10 ... it won't change anything in high-sec. The problem lies mainly in the horrible "balance" of modules and game mechanics. Of course i'm talking about useless and therefore worthless modules like passive armor resi mods (except EANMSs), worthless blood raider pirate imps, worthless NOS mods and energy transfers. EANMS and repper being the only valuable mods. Nobodys earns big money in Amarr high-sec. Gallente and Minmatar space is ok ... they have a good bunch of great modules and pirate imps. But the king of the hill - as always - is Caldari space. There is indeed a lot of money to be made. How long does it take to run a DED 4/10 complex in a T3? I don't know but i DO know, that it's only 10-15 minutes in an ordinary fitted all-in-one Ishtar. For peoples staying always in high-sec, a gank fitted ship is even faster.
When i was a noob long long ago i was doing DED 3/10 and 4/10 static complexes in low-sec ... in my comedy fitted Vexor competing against pirates (and losing most of the time - either my ship or the run for the loot^^) .
LOL@ "but ... but ... we specialized in high-sec exploration - we can't do that without our pimp fitted T3s..." It's like being a pr0 swimmer in a beginner pool.
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
109
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:30:00 -
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Pacifyn wrote:I dont know, i honestly think that t3 were kinda made for exploration, so making them no longer usefull in hi-sec is kinda gay
What do you mean by saying it is "kinda gay"? I wish I were a cat. That way, I could kill things and people would applaud - instead of screaming out "OH GOD NO, NOT MY DAUGHTER!" |
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
208
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:33:00 -
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I believe he means that it is midly homosexual |

Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
109
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Posted - 2013.05.19 21:40:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I believe he means that it is midly homosexual
Still doesn't make any sense. I wish I were a cat. That way, I could kill things and people would applaud - instead of screaming out "OH GOD NO, NOT MY DAUGHTER!" |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
772
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Posted - 2013.05.20 00:35:00 -
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That nerf was long past due. And that's coming from a fulltime lo- and hisec explorer.
4/10 should be for HAC in losec or BC in hisec (they're almost ideal for the latter, in fact.). 5+/10 (losec only except for a vanishingly small chance of certain anomaly-escalations) for T3, so they are actually, you know, challenged.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1308
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:34:00 -
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Just a quick note: taking a Strat Cruiser into a DED3 is just embarassingly fail... That's like bringing a T2-fit BC into an L1 mission in 1.0 space. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Existential Anxiety
64
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:58:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Just a quick note: taking a Strat Cruiser into a DED3 is just embarassingly fail... That's like bringing a T2-fit BC into an L1 mission in 1.0 space.
well taking a t3 into ded3 or ded 4 makes totally sin. My tengu was very versatile and thats the purpose of t3s: versatility .
i needed only one ship to do the exploration. I scanned with it. traveled the low sec for escalations with different subsystem.
with doing the exploration at first in a scanning ship and then the pve ship it is just time taking and thus making less isk/h , a fiddling and anoying process.
all my mods and subs placed well in y cargo, from time to time i just docked up droped teh valuable loot and needed to buy more missiles..
with the new changes coming the versatility drops. The problem that people seeing with t3 beeing overused for exploring will be the same and stay, it will just be moved to another ship type some day...
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Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2013.05.20 03:08:00 -
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Mother Drone wrote:Although i welcome the ban of T3s for DED 3/10 and 4/10 ... it won't change anything in high-sec. The problem lies mainly in the horrible "balance" of modules and game mechanics. Of course i'm talking about useless and therefore worthless modules like passive armor resi mods (except EANMSs), worthless blood raider pirate imps, worthless NOS mods and energy transfers. EANMS and repper being the only valuable mods. Nobodys earns big money in Amarr high-sec. Gallente and Minmatar space is ok ... they have a good bunch of great modules and pirate imps. But the king of the hill - as always - is Caldari space. There is indeed a lot of money to be made. How long does it take to run a DED 4/10 complex in a T3? I don't know but i DO know, that it's only 10-15 minutes in an ordinary fitted all-in-one Ishtar. For peoples staying always in high-sec, a gank fitted ship is even faster.
When i was a noob long long ago i was doing DED 3/10 and 4/10 static complexes in low-sec ... in my comedy fitted Vexor competing against pirates (and losing most of the time - either my ship or the run for the loot^^) .
LOL@ "but ... but ... we specialized in high-sec exploration - we can't do that without our pimp fitted T3s..." It's like being a pr0 swimmer in a beginner pool.
Best post in a terrible thread. |

Lucas Irvam
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.05.20 04:39:00 -
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The schadenfreude in this thread is strange, given that it seems totally misplaced. Hisec T3 blitzers don't have some unnatural fixation with strategic cruisers, they just use the most efficient ship for the job. With the T3 restrictions on 4/10's, they'll just move down the line to the second most efficient, whatever that may be.
Anyone that was serious about DSP-hunting 4/10's was already in a T3, so the poor noobies in meta 1 Drakes who don't know any better will still get beaten to the loot, it'll just be a different hull passing them by is all.
The actual issue is 500mil modules dropping in hisec, and until that gets resolved (either by moving the module, or by CCP taking a hard look at why the market regards it that highly), the hisec competition circus won't really change. What if CCP had changed the loot tables so that the priciest 4/10 mods only dropped in the lowsec version of the plex? More $$ for exclusive lowsec dwellers, more hisec bears taking risks for loot (the prices would certainly rise as they got more rare, tempting even the most risk-adverse explorers), and more targets for pirates. Couldn't that be a win for everyone all around?
The T3 restriction treats the symptom, not the problem. |

Jonas Staal
Silver Octopus Infernal Octopus
1
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Posted - 2013.05.20 06:57:00 -
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I am kind a confused to why this is a good thing. I'm using a T3 in high myself, so I might be biased.
But: Using a T3 made it possible to run these sites without extra scanner, and with "mediocre" skills.
Now everyone in high that was flying a T3 will be flying HACs, without scanning bonus on the hull. Not sure how easy it'll be to scan sites without grav rigs, but I'm guessing if your skills are high enough it's possible.
So in the end the change is that T3's are replaced with HACs, which are more skill intensive to get into, and require more support skills.
Doesn't this make things worse?  |

Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
208
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:17:00 -
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It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players. |

Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1041
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:35:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players. The new scanning system makes any ship with a probe launcher on it able to scan down any PVE site, so no it has nothing to do with the scanning gap. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes |
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
208
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Posted - 2013.05.20 07:46:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players. The new scanning system makes any ship with a probe launcher on it able to scan down any PVE site, so no it has nothing to do with the scanning gap.
it has everything to do with the combat ability gap though, sorry i didn't make that clear. |

Tauranon
Weeesearch
170
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Posted - 2013.05.20 08:22:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:It means you will have to scan using a scanning ship and then get a combat ship or have an alt to do the scanning or have a friend to do the scanning.
It closes the gap between people who can fly/afford T3s and people who can't so there's actual incentive to attempt exploration in high sec by newer players.
I don't think it matters much.
The old farmers will just fly hacs, and since hacs can racially tank with minimal resist modules due to base resists, should see the hac with an extra weapon, an extra damage module, and one of the new scan rangefinding array IIs, and the player will of course have extra skills. Should always have 50% more dps, and should still be fine to AB straight to the objective in the last pocket.
I'm mostly exploring lowsec now, but will be even more tempting to use my alt to scan and a brutix for making troub^h^h^h^h ahem sorry "making emergent content".
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
170
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Posted - 2013.05.20 08:48:00 -
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Lucas Irvam wrote:
The actual issue is 500mil modules dropping in hisec, and until that gets resolved (either by moving the module, or by CCP taking a hard look at why the market regards it that highly), the hisec competition circus won't really change. What if CCP had changed the loot tables so that the priciest 4/10 mods only dropped in the lowsec version of the plex? More $$ for exclusive lowsec dwellers, more hisec bears taking risks for loot (the prices would certainly rise as they got more rare, tempting even the most risk-adverse explorers), and more targets for pirates. Couldn't that be a win for everyone all around?
The T3 restriction treats the symptom, not the problem.
I did 2 ded 5s on the weekend, i enjoy doing them, but it is a very different experience. Loot table in the serp one is about same value as the gso, but the 40mil+ OPE always drops - ie its probably net more valuable per run. There seems to be compensation in the faction loot table as well (ie drops more often to make up for it being a single entity).
However it took 1hr10 for one and 1hr45 for the other, such is the effects of other players on operational freedom. A lot of the time, was time spent cloaked. I like all that stuff, but its going to be a long hard road to redefine the game that way. Amongst other things, lowsec is too small for a signfiicant influx, and that is a far harder problem than one imagines to solve.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
426
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Posted - 2013.05.20 10:19:00 -
[44] - Quote
^ you can do an 5/10 in under 40 minutes in an 110mio ship. Shoot everything, never cloak ;-) German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |

Tauranon
Weeesearch
171
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Posted - 2013.05.20 13:09:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:^ you can do an 5/10 in under 40 minutes in an 110mio ship. Shoot everything, never cloak ;-)
if they move ded 4 running to lowsec more, then they take 10 minutes or so, bit easier to find the window of opportunity for that.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4995
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Posted - 2013.05.20 17:32:00 -
[46] - Quote
Seems that I move from a non-combat scanner + do-it-all-lazy-ass T3 combo to anti-frigate scanner + BC combo. From an initial viewing the time doing 3/10s might increase slightly, while time needed to do 4/10s actually decreases. I'll have to see, if I can make a fast AB fitted prober for the 3/10s. Even if I can't, the difference seems to be minor overall. So the main affect this has for me is ship change, a reduced cost of potential ship loss and a opportunity to fly other ships types in PvE again. Doesn't seem like a particularly good or bad change and certainly nothing to get excited about. Just the same old in new(old) ships. |

Graplok
RandomJive Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 14:32:00 -
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I do some HiSec exploration in a Brutix hunting DED 4/10s or Radar sites with a core probe scanner (ok i'm a noob). But whenever I do find the sites I rarely get beaten to the loot dropper and have no trouble running the Serpentis site. Also I do the whole site not just cherry picking the rat with the loot.
As a low SP character this is likely a good change as hopefully there will be a lot more sites, especially coupled with the deep core probe removal in Odyssey. |

KardelSharpeye
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.05.21 16:14:00 -
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Graplok wrote:I do some HiSec exploration in a Brutix hunting DED 4/10s or Radar sites with a core probe scanner (ok i'm a noob). But whenever I do find the sites I rarely get beaten to the loot dropper and have no trouble running the Serpentis site. Also I do the whole site not just cherry picking the rat with the loot.
As a low SP character this is likely a good change as hopefully there will be a lot more sites, especially coupled with the deep core probe removal in Odyssey.
Everyone will have DSP's now and scanning seems a lot easier so if anything there will be more competition. |

Graplok
RandomJive Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.05.21 16:33:00 -
[49] - Quote
KardelSharpeye wrote:Everyone will have DSP's now and scanning seems a lot easier so if anything there will be more competition. Ok so I must be really mistaken, I thought the DSPs were to be removed entirely and would become Core Probes on Odyssey? |

SFM Hobb3s
Perkone Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.05.21 18:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
Basically he's saying that now everytime you go into a system, you'll know if there are any sigs in the system or not. This means we don't even have to drop our initial DSP probe. The new system scan is essentially our dsp.
And if you think this will stop cherry picking, nada. I used to do this even with just regular probes. You just had to pay extra attention if it was a large system (ie more than 64au).
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dexington
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
643
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Posted - 2013.05.22 09:32:00 -
[51] - Quote
It just means that faction and T2 cruiser are going to replace the T3 cruisers, i don't think the change is going to have any major impact on the game, you can probably still blow up the GSO telescope before you reach looting distance. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |

XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
[52] - Quote
HEH |

XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
[53] - Quote
LOL |

XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP |

XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:48:00 -
[55] - Quote
This expansion is hilarious. |

XXSketchxx
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
312
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Posted - 2013.05.23 06:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
I'm so damn excited right now. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5051
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Posted - 2013.05.23 11:02:00 -
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dexington wrote:It just means that faction and T2 cruiser are going to replace the T3 cruisers, i don't think the change is going to have any major impact on the game, you can probably still blow up the GSO telescope before you reach looting distance.
That is the most likely outcome of all this for pure highsec explorers. I think the more significant change is the new hacking/archeology site mechanic. You now have a realistic option of pimping a pure travel fitted hacking ship with no real combat ability and go solo in any area of space for good loot and low risk. Depending on the minigame difficulty it could also mean, that non-specialized ships start to increasingly abandon doing those sites, since the failure rate gets too high, which means loads of wasted time for little to no loot. We might end up in a situation where do-it-all exploration ships will be the minority and exploration gets divided into more clear specializations each with their own FOTM ships. |

dexington
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.23 12:12:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:We might end up in a situation where do-it-all exploration ships will be the minority and exploration gets divided into more clear specializations each with their own FOTM ships.
I have my doubts, while the new hacking mechanic does seem pretty cool, it's going to take some reward re-balancing to make it a worthwhile profession on it's own. More people are probably just going to be flying around with analyzers and code breakers in the cargohold, at least in high and low-sec where there is not shortage of stations for refitting. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2013.05.23 13:23:00 -
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What does this accomplish? They aren't needed for these plexes now they are just shineys people like to use. You could restrict these sites to T1 (no faction) hulls only and it's still a race where you will loose to the better equipped and experienced guy.
Just another step towards making high sec explo sites "private" once someone warps to it. |

Sir Livingston
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:08:00 -
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Well it's a good thing most eve players have the innate ability to adapt  I can hear the complaints now... "gah! i hate dem *insert HAC/Faction Cruiser here* ! they steal all ma loots!" ...or something like that
...but to be honest I live in low-sec so...yeah... i create videos about the EVE Universe http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:36:00 -
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I bought and pimped out a T3 for C3 WH mostly but sometimes use it in HS sites just for fun. No big deal if I can't do that anymore. Ishtar will do fine.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Aegis Solaris
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:19:00 -
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Sigh. In high sec I use a swiss army knife fit Proteus. Probe launcher, salvager, code breaker, analyzer, and sufficient dps and tank to do all radar, mag and combat sites.
I hope I can fit up a HAC to do the same. If not its going to have to be an alt in an Orca following me around so I can grab whatever ship is needed . http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
101
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Posted - 2013.05.24 16:57:00 -
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Mag and radar sites aren't worth it in hisec, just fit a sleipnir for blitzing those 4/10s and keep pissing off the noobs. |

Drunken Bum
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Posted - 2013.05.24 18:26:00 -
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This change is pointless. An ishtar runs the sites just as fast. The problem isn't the ships its the sites themselves. As has been said many times before. This changes nothing. Spare some change?-á |

Amakish
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.06.06 16:29:00 -
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this is a stupid change...
doesnt solve the issue....
change the sites instead.... make just make a random ship trigger or make it a requirement to clear the entire room for the "loot pinata" to spawn end of story....
my issue is that now i cant have 1 ship for 3/10 and 4/10... either i have to go drake and ignore all 3/10 which suck or i have to some with something silly like a vexor and spend 10000 years doing the site and have someone come in a take the site? wasnt that what they wanted to remove?
i guess i should jsut train another cruiser to V and do sacriledge.... and use my alt for scanning down the sites.... |

Narwz
Zerglingz United
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Posted - 2013.06.06 18:53:00 -
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It's silly that this change affects low sec 4/10. I somewhat understand reasoning about change to high sec, but there isn't any logical explanation why should it ban T3 from low sec DED's. |

Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2013.06.06 19:46:00 -
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Narwz wrote:It's silly that this change affects low sec 4/10. I somewhat understand reasoning about change to high sec, but there isn't any logical explanation why should it ban T3 from low sec DED's.
(1) T3 are overpowered for highsec 4/10's (2) Lowsec 4/10 sites are exactly the same as highsec 4/10 tf (3) T3 are overpowered for lowsec 4/10's
Pretty logical. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |

Narwz
Zerglingz United
2
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Posted - 2013.06.06 20:42:00 -
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Yeah, the slight difference is that you can actually lose that T3 in low sec. |

SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.06 21:00:00 -
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Well it certainly has made a change. Doubtful its what ccp was hoping for tho. 4/10's are definitely not the place for 'noobz' Thus far I've found 4 4/10's. In HALF of those I've engaged in PVP. The one time I didn't get to loot the can, I killed the guy who did.
Yay for suspect status!!! Here's some RF EMP to lighten your day :) |
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