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Extra Pickles
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Posted - 2005.10.23 21:41:00 -
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It would be nice if the slasher had a bit more power grid to make the fitting of a MWd easier.
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2005.10.23 21:42:00 -
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just as an aside, will the ships' descriptions (not bonuses, the wordy bits) be modified to reflect their mk2 status?
Oh, and gimme back that 30 grid for my thorax! Loyalty, Integrity, Honour. |
Nafri
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Posted - 2005.10.23 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "thy arent, and hopefully thy will make it in, CCP choosed only dumb rules for their 1vs1 cruiser tournament"
The fifth med-slot was discussed quite a lot and we're considering boosting it in another way than giving it the fifth med slot, since it turned it into a missile / ewar platform which is not really what we wanted.
It's not overpowered as such in my opinion except in a pre-arranged duel format. The jury is out on it and we're just gonna wait and see how the upgraded MK2 testing pans out on Singularity.
Guess we will see :<
quite sad, cause this quote said that Shield tanking will never become a viable option for cruisers and other ships execpt the Raven/Eagle --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri quite sad, cause this quote said that Shield tanking will never become a viable option for cruisers and other ships execpt the Raven/Eagle
That's one more reason for dividing mid slots between specialized ew hardpoints and non-ew hardpoints.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- We are the underdogs, its best just to accept the fact. Khaldorn Murino |
Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius [1) Discrete numbers are irrelevant to balance. The Deimos will only need a boost if it turns out it's short on grid and this affects its performance. If it's balanced now it will be balanced when the changes hit.
If you can fit the same thing on a Deimos and a Thorax, why fly the deimos? Thats the real complaint. And all us Deimos pilots are trying to get the fix to be adding more grid to the Deimos. Shame on us.
You should change the name on Tackling frigs btw. They aren't tackling now, and won't be tackling after the patch. What they're really for is getting from point a to point b really really fast without having a ceptor on hand (I mean, 50k, yay). I know I'll still be using a Taranis, Ares, Ishkur, Tristan or Incursus for tackling no matter what you do to the Atron.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
Originally by: Nafri quite sad, cause this quote said that Shield tanking will never become a viable option for cruisers and other ships execpt the Raven/Eagle
That's one more reason for dividing mid slots between specialized ew hardpoints and non-ew hardpoints.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Now thats silly. So which ships am I allowed EW on? Does my Dominix count? Ishtar? Megathron? (2x sensor boosters, 2x dampeners on a fleet setup is fun). Hell, Ares? Nobody would expect me to put a pair of multispecs on something when flying one of those!
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Naughty Boy
Originally by: Nafri quite sad, cause this quote said that Shield tanking will never become a viable option for cruisers and other ships execpt the Raven/Eagle
That's one more reason for dividing mid slots between specialized ew hardpoints and non-ew hardpoints.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Now thats silly. So which ships am I allowed EW on? Does my Dominix count? Ishtar? Megathron? (2x sensor boosters, 2x dampeners on a fleet setup is fun). Hell, Ares? Nobody would expect me to put a pair of multispecs on something when flying one of those!
Well since CCP thinks Shield tanking should kept down cause of EW, ships like caracal and some others lack slots, midslots --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu Now thats silly. So which ships am I allowed EW on? Does my Dominix count? Ishtar? Megathron? (2x sensor boosters, 2x dampeners on a fleet setup is fun). Hell, Ares? Nobody would expect me to put a pair of multispecs on something when flying one of those!
Oh, yeah. Silly idea. Shield tanking is mostly a joke, because most ships don't have the slots to shield tank correctly, and this is "one" way to improve it. I didn't say anything about nerfing the EW capabilities of any ship, or gallente ship for that matter, yet you jump on conclusions and start flaming. If the caracal needs one more mid, but devs don't want to give it a 5th mid slot for EW, why not give it a non-EW mid slot ? Same goes for other ships that have a hard time shield tanking yet "should" for various reasons.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- We are the underdogs, its best just to accept the fact. Khaldorn Murino |
Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 23/10/2005 22:30:53
Originally by: Hllaxiu If you can fit the same thing on a Deimos and a Thorax, why fly the deimos? Thats the real complaint. And all us Deimos pilots are trying to get the fix to be adding more grid to the Deimos. Shame on us.
You're funny. What you are really saying: "The deimos will be underpowered as compared to the thorax when the thorax will be nerfed." I'm sorry if you needed to hear about the thorax being nerfed in the near future to notice that the thorax is currently better than the deimos in many aspects.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- We are the underdogs, its best just to accept the fact. Khaldorn Murino |
Hydrian Alante
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:33:00 -
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BTW:
When will this changes hit Tranquility? Before or after "Red Moon Rising" ?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hydrian Alante BTW:
When will this changes hit Tranquility? Before or after "Red Moon Rising" ?
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2005.10.23 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Joerd Toastius [1) Discrete numbers are irrelevant to balance. The Deimos will only need a boost if it turns out it's short on grid and this affects its performance. If it's balanced now it will be balanced when the changes hit.
If you can fit the same thing on a Deimos and a Thorax, why fly the deimos? Thats the real complaint. And all us Deimos pilots are trying to get the fix to be adding more grid to the Deimos. Shame on us.
Uh... "because it's better" would be the answer you'd want. If a) the Deimos is balanced against other HACs, b) the new Thorax is balanced against other cruisers, and c) other cruisers are less powerful than other HACs, then the Thorax will be less powerful than the Deimos. Where's the problem?
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Trelennen
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Posted - 2005.10.23 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy
Originally by: Hllaxiu Now thats silly. So which ships am I allowed EW on? Does my Dominix count? Ishtar? Megathron? (2x sensor boosters, 2x dampeners on a fleet setup is fun). Hell, Ares? Nobody would expect me to put a pair of multispecs on something when flying one of those!
Oh, yeah. Silly idea. Shield tanking is mostly a joke, because most ships don't have the slots to shield tank correctly, and this is "one" way to improve it. I didn't say anything about nerfing the EW capabilities of any ship, or gallente ship for that matter, yet you jump on conclusions and start flaming. If the caracal needs one more mid, but devs don't want to give it a 5th mid slot for EW, why not give it a non-EW mid slot ? Same goes for other ships that have a hard time shield tanking yet "should" for various reasons.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Exactly, and this could apply to other supposed shield tanker ships which can't either, but can't have more med slots because they'd become EW platform whereas they shouldn't. But I do think that introducing non-EW medslots is the only hope for shield tank to become viable.
Quote: dont fly what you cant afford to lose, always have it insured, make sure you can replace it before you take it into 0.0 or any potentially kaboomish situations.
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Bottled Brain
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Posted - 2005.10.24 00:33:00 -
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In a mixed fleet a caracal with mwd is the perfect target for any bs or long range cruiser and no damper and no med slot will save her at range. The mwd is a device to get close not to stay at range.
With an ab and skills at lvl4 the caracal does about 515m/s and a maller about 497m/s. Around gates/stations this "speed advantage" is not significant.
A caracal canŠt defend herself against frigs with missiles without gimping the setup against other ships because the speed penalty will reduce the heavy missile damage to 2-3 dps (the two med drones are a joke and donŠt work at range anyways).
One thing that could help the caracal would be a secret warp drive that allows her to even get to 40km and spam missiles and dampen something and hopefully there is no frig around that approaches in 15 secs and destroys her.
But I donŠt think we have any problems to forget about the caracal and move on like we did before, without her.
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.10.24 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Jaguar suffers because it has no real role distinct from the Wolf, and with 3 mids it has no real ability to shield tank either.
You've never heard of the gisti-a small shield booster?
look it up and try one on the jag
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.10.24 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Summersnow You've never heard of the gisti-a small shield booster? look it up and try one on the jag
Can we leave faction mods out of this ? * With a small shield booster II you can't tank anything. * With a medium shield booster II your cap is dry in 4-5 cycles.
Jag isn't worth anything, i prefer the rifter.
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- We are the underdogs, its best just to accept the fact. Khaldorn Murino |
DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.10.24 02:18:00 -
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lol @ the amount of ignorance in this thread.
BTW, can u change cyclone bonus from a ROF to a damage? The ROF bonus makes 425s empty their ammo even faster than normal. I'm not even going to get into the fact that all minny ships need 2 damage bonuses to be comparable to other ships w/ 1 damage bonus. Oh and the fact that medium blasters would do more damage than autocannons on a cyclone. Just make RoF-->Damage plz and maybe it will actually be flown.
Oh and vigil definately needs to keep its speed bonus.
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DarK
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Posted - 2005.10.24 02:24:00 -
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That's unfortunate that these changes wont be untill Q2 2006, I had my hopes up for sooner rather than later.
Anyway, I am a bit sad about the Caracal's 5th medslot being taken away, which indicates that they'd never give the Moa it's needed 5th slot.
Shieldtanking is so ******* ****. Not enough slots, E-war has ****** us over(gallente can have it back tbh), can't fit webber/scrambler/AB's, cap relays were taken away.
Atleast there's still time to change things(5 months).
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DarK
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Posted - 2005.10.24 02:27:00 -
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Perhaps I should read, RMR and Kali are seperate:P
still crying though
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
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Posted - 2005.10.24 02:49:00 -
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is it me or does CCP not realize there is a design flaw is shield tankers? This game revovles around a scrambler and webber how you suppose to shield tank with those fitted? The few low slots dont allow for a gank fitting to make up for the lost defense. ---------------------------------------------
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.10.24 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 24/10/2005 02:53:39
Originally by: DrunkenOne lol @ the amount of ignorance in this thread.
Originally by: Tuxford Battleships have got so much more attention than the smaller tech 1 ship. You can't really take any battleship and say it's useless. I know a lot of you don't like Typhoon but some people seem to be able to find use for it. But then again some of you guys don't like Sacri
I could care less about ignorance, funny or not, if it didn't have such an impact. Before i definetly give up on minmatar ships, except maybe tempest, mk2 rupture and cheetah, can anyone of those typhoon lovers post their awesome setup ? I'd so much want to prove that there is always a ship going to do better than the typhoon with their "elite" setup... or that they are not using the boni at all. Or be proven wrong... (some kind of "never give up" state of mind...).
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. --- We are the underdogs, its best just to accept the fact. Khaldorn Murino |
DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.10.24 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Naughty Boy Edited by: Naughty Boy on 24/10/2005 02:53:39
Originally by: DrunkenOne lol @ the amount of ignorance in this thread.
Originally by: Tuxford Battleships have got so much more attention than the smaller tech 1 ship. You can't really take any battleship and say it's useless. I know a lot of you don't like Typhoon but some people seem to be able to find use for it. But then again some of you guys don't like Sacri
I could care less about ignorance, funny or not, if it didn't have such an impact. Before i definetly give up on minmatar ships, except maybe tempest, mk2 rupture and cheetah, can anyone of those typhoon lovers post their awesome setup ? I'd so much want to prove that there is always a ship going to do better than the typhoon with their "elite" setup... or that they are not using the boni at all. Or be proven wrong... (some kind of "never give up" state of mind...).
Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.
Yeah I totally agree with you man. The only "good" setup on a phoon was before torps and cruise lead targets and you could do 7 nanos with a quad lif and 7 heavy nos and orbit a raven at 18km and he could never hit u :).
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.10.24 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri I based it one the fact I use all tech1 EW frigs regualary, thy are my primary combat ships
Fair enuf, but I don't have to agree with your conclusions
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.10.24 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 24/10/2005 14:07:31
Originally by: Nafri
and no blaster AC will it you, a vagabund cant hit my frig with its autocannons :D
Well yeah, thats a frig vs cruiser and you're tracking disrupting him. Ofc he's not going to hit you (easily).
Try tracking disrupting a Vagabond with an Arbitrator
In fact, if you want to do something constructive, meet me on the test server and we can test it out
*edit* nm, test server is down ________________________________________________________
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.10.24 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
Originally by: Nafri I based it one the fact I use all tech1 EW frigs regualary, thy are my primary combat ships
Fair enuf, but I don't have to agree with your conclusions
No, but if you want to say something differnt then mine, you have to come with experience
I barly judge on drones, execpt their damage, since I barly use them. But I judge on EW since I use EW as my main defence since I can fly a Blackbird
And Jammers tend to have bid drawbacks, nothing is more ugly then seeing all your multies not working on the target --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Akiman
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Posted - 2005.10.24 14:26:00 -
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ok,you have written so much! so forgive me if i say something actually said..
why decrease thoraxs db?
anyway at least there must be a legend about thoraxs drone bay i mean >look at the thorax it put drones out! we are all dead man all dead!<..but i dont heard of that legend... and it has 3 med slots and has mwd bonus...i mean look at that? o i can put one warp distrupter 1 webifier...and errr 1 mwd? or shield booster? of course no need to say to pray 1 warp distrupter works fine! and no shied tanking...armor tanking? then where the heck am i gonna put warp core stabilizers? and im not gonna say anything about cap recharges or else...i dont even dream of it... it has bad med slots for a pvp close ranged cruiser
still i need cap to fire my weapons... still need cap for mwd...and when battles begun i have half of cap and enemy has full...or at least i say this for cal and min they dont need anything to fire
on the other hand power grids adjusted...need to try that to see if its works fine...
and whats that structure bonus for? im gonna protect myself with structure...err is there anyone can lend me a kevlar and helmet?
what about tristan? gallentes likes hybrids not missiles but i have no comment on that there must be some gallentes in deep space who likes missiles...if i like missiles i use kestrel...but who knows maybe its better now...
im ok with celestis not like a mighty blackbird but we can prey :) our people runs towards the enemy when they blow us with missiles at hundreds of kms awayy
mining frigates adjustments are good for beginners i think
and +1 med slot changes the whole game...think about it.
thanks for your patience...im just a man with humour.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.10.24 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akiman and it has 3 med slots and has mwd bonus...i mean look at that? o i can put one warp distrupter 1 webifier...and errr 1 mwd? or shield booster? of course no need to say to pray 1 warp distrupter works fine! and no shied tanking...armor tanking? then where the heck am i gonna put warp core stabilizers? ... thanks for your patience...im just a man with humour.
that indeed made me laugh.
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Diana Merris
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Posted - 2005.10.24 14:53:00 -
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Well, I have the clear and simple solution to the EW and mid slots problem, want to hear it?
Well, I'm going to tell you anyway.
Move all tanking to low slots. Shield boosters, extenders and hardeners all get moved to lows and Caldari and Minmatar ships get some of their mids switched for low slots.
Sound good? Of course not because then you'd only be able to use EW on ships designed for EW.
Yes, this is actually a serious idea, I don't use EW myself so I'd be fine with it.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.24 15:33:00 -
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"Move all tanking to low slots. Shield boosters, extenders and hardeners all get moved to lows and Caldari and Minmatar ships get some of their mids switched for low slots.
Sound good? Of course not because then you'd only be able to use EW on ships designed for EW."
Was thinking of pretty much the same thing yesterday, actually.
The possible disadvantages would be, giving Caldari ships plenty of low slots would allow them to use these for damage mods instead of the tank, which is apparently a big no-no... and ships like Dominix (and to lesser extent Raven) with large number of mid and low slots lose on this deal, as they're no longer able to both shield-tank and do damage... as i doubt they'd be given say, 10+ low slots in exchange for some of the mids o.O;
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.10.24 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Diana Merris Well, I have the clear and simple solution to the EW and mid slots problem, want to hear it?
Well, I'm going to tell you anyway.
Move all tanking to low slots. Shield boosters, extenders and hardeners all get moved to lows and Caldari and Minmatar ships get some of their mids switched for low slots.
Sound good? Of course not because then you'd only be able to use EW on ships designed for EW.
Yes, this is actually a serious idea, I don't use EW myself so I'd be fine with it.
Yeah that would fix a lot of problems. Currently if you gave shield tankers enough slots to tank then they will be able to mount uber EW instead. Personally I find EW better then tanking anyway.
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