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Gnaw LF
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:29:00 -
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Adela Talvanen wrote:Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?
If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.
If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.
Me, I'll never fire the first shot.
It does not matter who makes the first shot, what matters is who gets the killmail.
http://zkillboard.com/character/1203530224/
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2175
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:33:00 -
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Depends on a few factors of course. In terms of high-sec war, shooting before target aggression is usually pointless, unless they simply can't jump or dock. If I'm flying my 16,000 volley Machariel, shooting first is usually a good idea. The reduced session change timer, even though I like it, makes me a little sad in that respect.
Oh, and I really doubt the OP returns fire on anything with that kind of attitude.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
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Roime
Ten Thousand Years
Shinjiketo
2934
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:36:00 -
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I'm currently operating under NRDS-EMIIAFM(WIPCR) ROE in lowsec
*Not Red Don't Shoot -Except Maybe If It's A ******* Marauder (Which I Probably Can't Resist)
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
624
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:56:00 -
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Adela Talvanen wrote:Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?
Back when the "flare" on WH passage worked differently, I used to launch bombs at that special moment and catch the lucky contestant coming through unaware he was about to be engulfed in the bomb's AoE.
Sometimes it worked great, and the effects were hilarious.
Other times, I'd just warp off and listen to the spew of foulness in Local and still get a giggle.
The element of surprise, best surprise -- it's high time that Locals throughout EVE worked on the same basis as WH Locals.
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
413
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:00:00 -
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So many negative Nancy's in this thread.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
660
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:06:00 -
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I dunno when I pvp we my opponent and I seem to start shooting at the same time 
wumbo |
Alternate Poster
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:07:00 -
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4 pages of useless discussion when all that matters is who fired the last shot. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
660
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Posted - 2013.05.23 23:11:00 -
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Alternate Poster wrote:4 pages of useless discussion when all that matters is who fired the last shot.
not true. What if your opponent is using missiles 
wumbo |
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.05.24 08:03:00 -
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EdFromHumanResources wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote:
But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.
I'd stick to high-sec if I was you. What a pompous and patronising statement. And yet completely accurate.
Hardly, that little girl seems to imply low sec is something to be scared of, but hey ho, when I've gone through the sisters of eve arch after the June 4 expansion I'll head probably head over to low tec to see if its anything like its cracked up to be, heck I might even join a corp while I'm there, like say Pandemic Legion, as from what I've been reading, it looks like they could need some help with the Honey Bear Alliance kicking their ass all over low sec, but then I suspect Pandemic Legion are now well past their sell by date.  |
baltec1
Bat Country
6638
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Posted - 2013.05.24 08:14:00 -
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What an odd thread. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
113
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Posted - 2013.05.24 08:36:00 -
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Everytime I've been shot at first, I've lost a ship. Ever time I've shot first, they lost a ship.
Sure it won't always be that way (i'm guessing) but so far it has...
I am slowly watching my security status going down 
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Terra Khashour
Pink Bunnies
Cartel.
3
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Posted - 2013.05.24 10:22:00 -
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I'm just doing pew pew, dont care who shoot first, importnant is who will be alive when i stop shoot. |
Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
64
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Posted - 2013.05.24 10:33:00 -
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Shoot first, ask questions later.
One and only correct answer in EVE. |
EdFromHumanResources
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
108
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Posted - 2013.05.24 11:29:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:EdFromHumanResources wrote:That's what all the lowsec l33t pvper cyno alts say. When 'Is the target a PL zergling with a cyno?' question rises to the top of the list there are a few other questions that must be answered... Do you see at least 1/3 of a fleet composed of Tech 2 logistics ships on dscan? Do you see 30 T3 battlecruisers on dscan? Did you see 30 Nyx's on scan on your way through Amamake? Does the target have a slight air of scumbag entitlement? Does the target not respond in local chat due to his strict alliance rules? The douchebag checklist goes on and on...
My what lovely nerd rage you have there. Also since when do we fly T3 Battlecruisers on fishing fleets and have rules against talking in local?
PS. No entitlement here, just smug superiority. |
Bruce Kemp
Relentless Force
That Escalated Quickly
41
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Posted - 2013.05.24 12:28:00 -
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I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock.  |
flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology
Interstellar Confederation
1108
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Posted - 2013.05.24 13:48:00 -
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Adela Talvanen wrote:Six Six Six wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote:Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?
If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.
If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.
Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft. Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round, if they use missiles or rockets you can see em coming, if they use lasers they might miss with the first salvo. Its the principal of who shoots first becomes the aggressor.
No it's the principal of surviving in hull or dying when your opponent only has hull left. The principal of killing your opponent before his buddies land on grid or being just too late so his buddies place the scrambler on you too.
Allways make the first shot if you feel an engagment coming.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Drachiel
Mercury LLC
26
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Posted - 2013.05.24 22:35:00 -
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The moral high ground is meaningless.
I shoot first when the situation calls for it, and wait for aggression when it calls for that (enemy on station or gate @ 0). |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3592
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Posted - 2013.05.25 03:32:00 -
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Bruce Kemp wrote:I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock.
Prefiring is a useful strategy.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Mr Morita
Calamitous-Intent
34
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Posted - 2013.05.25 04:42:00 -
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EdFromHumanResources wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote:EdFromHumanResources wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote:Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot?
If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self.
If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself.
Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Spoken like a true high sec dweller. You make that sound like its a bad thing. You're a blind man giving input on what colors compliment each other.
Relevant.
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Pitrolo Orti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2013.05.25 05:02:00 -
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In RL I always throw the first punch...why waste your time. There is always the chance you can knock them out with one.
Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
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Marianne Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.05.25 07:41:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Adela Talvanen wrote: I'm morally right I don't understand this phrase. What does it mean?
It's a 'new-age' thing. It'll never catch on.
As you were. |
Garresh
Team Chicken and Waffles
211
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Posted - 2013.05.25 08:04:00 -
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If they're approaching you in a PvP, wtf do you think their intentions are? And what if you're kite fit? You gonna let them close distance before you engage? How about if you're brawl and catch them entering a plex?
You can't AFFORD not to take the first shot. Approaching you is proof of intent.
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Long John Silver
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2013.05.25 09:56:00 -
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Why can't you guys be nice to each other?
Go hug a noob instead.
Long John Silver | Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll. |
Tragic Failure
Order of the Black Dagger
Point Blank Alliance
1
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Bruce Kemp wrote:I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock. Prefiring is a useful strategy.
Could you please explain that to my ex-wife... Thanks... |
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