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Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 42	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:11:00 - [1] - Quote Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot.
Marianne Pollard University of Caille Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:15:00 - [2] - Quote I'd also be interested to know how long a piece of string is. Anyone?
Six Six Six Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 83	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:16:00 - [3] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft.
EdFromHumanResources ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 102	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:17:00 - [4] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Spoken like a true high sec dweller.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 42	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:19:00 - [5] - Quote Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft. Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round, if they use missiles or rockets you can see em coming, if they use lasers they might miss with the first salvo. Its the principal of who shoots first becomes the aggressor.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 42	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:21:00 - [6] - Quote EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Spoken like a true high sec dweller. You make that sound like its a bad thing.
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep Nyratic 311	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:26:00 - [7] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft. Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round. I think what you meant to say was this: "If they use a gun and the round hits, your shields can absorb the first round." Is that what you were trying to say? If yes, then what happens when you are in a shield tanked ship? Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec.
Cannibal Kane My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse 1797	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:26:00 - [8] - Quote I am always the aggressor. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS
Metal Icarus Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 559	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:37:00 - [9] - Quote I don't shoot your shields, I shoot your capacitor. Then come the drones....
EdFromHumanResources ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 102	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:42:00 - [10] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Spoken like a true high sec dweller. You make that sound like its a bad thing. You're a blind man giving input on what colors compliment each other.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 944	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:47:00 - [11] - Quote Enjoy your short Eve career of losing with honor.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 43	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:48:00 - [12] - Quote dark heartt wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft. Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round. I think what you meant to say was this: "If they use a gun and the round hits, your shields can absorb the first round." Is that what you were trying to say? If yes, then what happens when you are in a shield tanked ship? Yes, and if your shield suffered a high rate of damage on the opening salvo, if you were not warp scrambled you would be prudent to exit asap, those that turn and run away live to fight another day. But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name.
Val Leonis Turalyon Plus 0	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:53:00 - [13] - Quote EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Spoken like a true high sec dweller. You make that sound like its a bad thing. You're a blind man giving input on what colors compliment each other. I hope your day gets better. =/
Morrow Disca SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 44	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:54:00 - [14] - Quote My sec status suggests that i fire first frequently. However, if you can get a neut to shoot you first all the better not to tank gate guns, or just 0.0 it up v0v https://twitter.com/SniggWaffe
Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 425	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:58:00 - [15] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Then you will suffer the consequences. pew _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 43	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:58:00 - [16] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: Enjoy your short Eve career of losing with honor. What a silly statement. Ex: You are in a T3 I am in a T3, you shoot at me first, you are the aggressor, and I'm morally right in shooting back. You attacked me, I didn't attack you. And an eve career is as long as you pay subs to CCP to play the game.
Six Six Six Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2013.05.23 13:59:00 - [17] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. I'd stick to high-sec if I was you.
Ayuren Aakiwa Perkone Caldari State 75	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:01:00 - [18] - Quote I have noticed that simply being aggresive and acting as the predator and not the prey can have quite an effect on your opponent. pew pew 24/7
Dgram Loop Dutch Squad Novus Dominatum 10	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:08:00 - [19] - Quote Han shot first and so will I, even if it leads to gate gun aggro ;)
Slutvana Khorkina University of Caille Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:12:00 - [20] - Quote Whether I shoot first or not only makes me the agressor according to the rules of the game. If I wardec you, I am the agressor regardless of whether I press F1 first when we meet. If I am bumping you off the gate to keep you from jumping while my mates arrive to gank you, I'm the agressor and won't even fire a shot while you burn. If I've decided we are going to fight then whether I actually fire the first short or not largely depends on whether the fight is taking place near a gate or station. "Imagine the kind of stories people would read about EVE if the carebears got their wish. 'In EVE Online, some people mined. They arranged their mining lasers, and then they did something else for several minutes. Sign up for your free 14 day trial now!'" -- James 315
EdFromHumanResources ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 103	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:20:00 - [21] - Quote Val Leonis wrote: EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Spoken like a true high sec dweller. You make that sound like its a bad thing. You're a blind man giving input on what colors compliment each other. I hope your day gets better. =/ My days are nothing short of amazing.
Kainotomiu Ronuken Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 996	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:26:00 - [22] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. Adela Talvanen wrote: you would have the moral high ground That's cute :3 "Sort Dragon sucks" - BoodaBooda
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 43	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:27:00 - [23] - Quote Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. I'd stick to high-sec if I was you. What a pompous and patronising statement.
Six Six Six Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:31:00 - [24] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. I'd stick to high-sec if I was you. What a pompous and patronising statement. Glad you liked it. It was supposed to be helpful based on what I quoted from you. Meaning with that view I really do think you would be more suited to high-sec.
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 1435	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:34:00 - [25] - Quote There is little difference in being the aggressor or the defender in Eve. In the end, for any given encounter, someone will win, and someone will lose. If saying you're the defender helps you sleep better at night, then by all means, fly with your finger off the trigger. But don't be fooled into thinking that the violencing of boats is the only form of agression in New Eden. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain.
Alua Oresson Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 267	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:44:00 - [26] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. I'd stick to high-sec if I was you. What a pompous and patronising statement. Edit: I'm not getting into a fight between forum alts. Disregard anything you saw here, it was meant for real people. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/
EdFromHumanResources ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 103	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:49:00 - [27] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. I'd stick to high-sec if I was you. What a pompous and patronising statement. And yet completely accurate.
Samillian Angry Mustellid 222	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:49:00 - [28] - Quote Dear Op Aggressor is such a pejorative term. As a supporter of free market trade and the manufacturing base via combat mediated facilitation of frequent product replacement among the consumer base, combined with an open sourced low base cost stock acquisition model I find it best to operate independently of the restrictive, anti-competitive and socially imposed moral framework you espouse. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 17	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:52:00 - [29] - Quote Depends. On a gate in low sec nope. In a war I always try to fire the only shots.
Sentient Blade Walk It Off 955	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:53:00 - [30] - Quote In lowsec I wait for them to aggress if near gates or stations to have that extra DPS on my side, unless they're -5 and then I will sometimes aggress first. In nullsec I'm more than happy to aggress first. In both cases, I try and use my head. Being rash and giving yourself a 60 second movement restriction timer when you're at a disadvantage is a fast and easy way to lose a ship that you could have otherwise flown around for longer having much more fun.
Din Chao Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 246	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:57:00 - [31] - Quote I've never seen a killmail that made the distinction between aggressor and defender, only "Victim" and those involved in making someone a "Victim." Those are your only choices.
SB Rico Avioni 183	Posted - 2013.05.23 14:57:00 - [32] - Quote A good PVPer knows when to agress, There are at times advantages to aggressing first and others disadvantages, as mentioned about sentries. Also on a station I like the other guy to shoot before he can see what I am capable of so he is nice and aggressed... Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once. Killing me should be for free.
Doddy Dark-Rising 838	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:00:00 - [33] - Quote Choosing not to fire the first shot regardless of the situation is fairly suicidal. If another player is at war with you or is an outlaw they are clearly agressors already and letting them shoot first is dumb. Same goes if an enemy has bad standing, they clearly did something in the past to have the standing set. There are many sound tactical reasons for not shooting first however, primarily concerning aggro. It depends on the situation.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 279	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:02:00 - [34] - Quote So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all. Suspect/Criminal flagged? Below -5.0 sec status? Is target a local with backup close? Is target a PL zergling with a cyno? Can you kill target before backup arrives? Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec) Can target kite you to death? How is target tanked? (active or passive) Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die? Does target have an OGB? Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help? The list goes on and on. About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage. Not today spaghetti.
EdFromHumanResources ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 103	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:04:00 - [35] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all. Suspect/Criminal flagged? Below -5.0 sec status? Is target a local with backup close? Is target a PL zergling with a cyno? Can you kill target before backup arrives? Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec) Can target kite you to death? How is target tanked? (active or passive) Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die? Does target have an OGB? Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help? The list goes on and on. About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage. What if it's an out of alliance PL alt with a cyno?
Ramona McCandless Standards and Practices Petition Blizzard 12	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:09:00 - [36] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: I'm morally right I don't understand this phrase. What does it mean? "You designed these rules to trick me and it's not fair! I don't have anything left and might as well quit now..."-á-á-Authorized Pixel Distributor Tell The Others
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 280	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:12:00 - [37] - Quote EdFromHumanResources wrote: Sexy Cakes wrote: So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all. Suspect/Criminal flagged? Below -5.0 sec status? Is target a local with backup close? Is target a PL zergling with a cyno? Can you kill target before backup arrives? Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec) Can target kite you to death? How is target tanked? (active or passive) Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die? Does target have an OGB? Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help? The list goes on and on. About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage. What if it's an out of alliance PL alt with a cyno? I can smell PL bullsh!t a mile away. Not today spaghetti.
Emiko Luan Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire 68	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:29:00 - [38] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: dark heartt wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft. Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round. I think what you meant to say was this: "If they use a gun and the round hits, your shields can absorb the first round." Is that what you were trying to say? If yes, then what happens when you are in a shield tanked ship? Yes, and if your shield suffered a high rate of damage on the opening salvo, if you were not warp scrambled you would be prudent to exit asap, those that turn and run away live to fight another day. But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. You can still warp if you're firing. And if someone appears in your territory they are already the aggressor. +welcome to my world+ http://emikochan13.wordpress.com http://emikochan13.deviantart.com
War Kitten Panda McLegion 2013	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:31:00 - [39] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. In the epic moral battle of good vs. evil, I always play on the good side. I don't care if you shoot first, last or not at all. You're the bad guy. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
EdFromHumanResources ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 104	Posted - 2013.05.23 15:39:00 - [40] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: EdFromHumanResources wrote: Sexy Cakes wrote: So many factors contribute into who shoots first and when to shoot at all. Suspect/Criminal flagged? Below -5.0 sec status? Is target a local with backup close? Is target a PL zergling with a cyno? Can you kill target before backup arrives? Can you kill target before you die to gate guns? (if target isn't -5.0 sec status and in lowsec) Can target kite you to death? How is target tanked? (active or passive) Is there a cloaked falcon 30 km away from me that will make me throw my monitor out the window after I die? Does target have an OGB? Do I have backup close enough to get here in time to help? The list goes on and on. About 60% of the 'PvP' in EVE is answering these questions before your 30 second loading cloak disappears and decide to engage or not to engage. What if it's an out of alliance PL alt with a cyno? I can smell PL bullsh!t a mile away. That's what all the lowsec l33t pvper cyno alts say.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2494	Posted - 2013.05.23 16:04:00 - [41] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Me, I'll never fire the first shot. But you already did with that OP. Now everyone is firing back. You are going to lose, bra. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
feihcsiM Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 242	Posted - 2013.05.23 16:13:00 - [42] - Quote I hear you HAVE to shoot first when flying a Phoenix or the POS may outrun your missiles.. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 280	Posted - 2013.05.23 16:25:00 - [43] - Quote EdFromHumanResources wrote: That's what all the lowsec l33t pvper cyno alts say. When 'Is the target a PL zergling with a cyno?' question rises to the top of the list there are a few other questions that must be answered... Do you see at least 1/3 of a fleet composed of Tech 2 logistics ships on dscan? Do you see 30 T3 battlecruisers on dscan? Did you see 30 Nyx's on scan on your way through Amamake? Does the target have a slight air of scumbag entitlement? Does the target not respond in local chat due to his strict alliance rules? The douchebag checklist goes on and on... Not today spaghetti.
Reicheck Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.05.23 16:31:00 - [44] - Quote Samillian wrote: Dear Op Aggressor is such a pejorative term. As a supporter of free market trade and the manufacturing base via combat mediated facilitation of frequent product replacement among the consumer base, combined with an open sourced low base cost stock acquisition model I find it best to operate independently of the restrictive, anti-competitive and socially imposed moral framework you espouse. This made my day, thank you. As for firing first? Chicken or Egg? Market PvP: They fire first with a low price? Or is it me firing first when I undercut? Mining: Getting up early to mine the belt clean before the locals have a chance. Yeah, that could be firing first. Making me get up early... could be them firing first. Trolling: You know the rules and so do I. First time I went into 0.4, someone else fired first. I couldn't, my Iteron was unarmed. That was when I learned what going into 0.4 in an unarmed hauler meant. lol Most of the rest of my interactions are in Hi-Sec so, they'll be firing first unless I know I can take out the suspect. No sig here.
Obvious Cyno The Scope Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.05.23 18:51:00 - [45] - Quote I'll typically let them aggress first. Then let my namesake do the rest. Question is circumstantial.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 1840	Posted - 2013.05.23 19:05:00 - [46] - Quote I'm a non-combatant. So whenever someone fails to lock me, I win. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Toriessian Helion Production Labs Mildly Intoxicated 124	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:08:00 - [47] - Quote Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft. Not true. In a lot of cases fights happen on gates. If someone jumps into the gate I'm on I can't shoot right away until I'm sure they aren't aligning back to the gate. If they do its cake for them to make it back through a lot of time and I won't be able to chase them because I have aggression. If they shoot first I don't have this problem and I can get range, point them, and light them up. Basics.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 747	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:29:00 - [48] - Quote Marianne Pollard wrote: I'd also be interested to know how long a piece of string is. Anyone? Depends on the optimism of the person using it, might be shorter or much much longer. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 254	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:35:00 - [49] - Quote It depends wether they are red or not. Im from CVA, we are NRDS [Not Red Dont Shoot] If someone is neutral to us we give them the benefit of the doubt, so we dont engage until they do.
Skex Relbore Space Exploitation Inc Get Off My Lawn 236	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:39:00 - [50] - Quote Always point them first, then shoot and don't forget to overheat. Combat in EVE is a race to see who can reduce the other ship's hit points to zero first, why would you want to give your opponent a head start? Unless you just like losing ships.
Beltze Sorgin L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION 11	Posted - 2013.05.23 20:58:00 - [51] - Quote 1. Lock the target. 2. Bait the line. 3. Spread the net. 4. Catch your man. 1 mil to anyone who can name the artist & song! (EVEmail me for ya reward. 1st received wins.) Seriously though I'm a bit of a newbie to PVP (but frack at least I'm trying!) so I tend to take a look at the ship my potential enemy is flying & the range before locking.
Cannibal Kane My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse 1800	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:05:00 - [52] - Quote Beltze Sorgin wrote: 1. Lock the target. 2. Bait the line. 3. Spread the net. 4. Catch your man. 1 mil to anyone who can name the artist & song! (EVEmail me for ya reward. 1st received wins.) Seriously though I'm a bit of a newbie to PVP (but frack at least I'm trying!) so I tend to take a look at the ship my potential enemy is flying & the range before locking. Front 242 - Headhunter "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS
Vortexo VonBrenner Coldest Sea Sailing 234	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:13:00 - [53] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Wow, OP, I truly suck embarassingly horribly at PVP, but even I know better than that...you make me feel like Conan the Tactical Spacewarrior Leet Genius. I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming.
Beltze Sorgin L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION 11	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:18:00 - [54] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Beltze Sorgin wrote: 1. Lock the target. 2. Bait the line. 3. Spread the net. 4. Catch your man. 1 mil to anyone who can name the artist & song! (EVEmail me for ya reward. 1st received wins.) Seriously though I'm a bit of a newbie to PVP (but frack at least I'm trying!) so I tend to take a look at the ship my potential enemy is flying & the range before locking. Front 242 - Headhunter Not an EVEmail but still Sir for the frackin quick reply the isk is yours
Beltze Sorgin L V B Industries STELLAR CONSTELLATION 11	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:20:00 - [55] - Quote I suck big time at PVP too. I keep on trying though & I think I'm getting better
Trii Seo Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes 18	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:32:00 - [56] - Quote Han shot first and won. If you want to be cool and win, shoot first. And so I always shoot first. (It doesn't always work.) Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Ckra Trald Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION 173	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:36:00 - [57] - Quote when i pvp, I shoot first and lose my rifter I shoot second, I lose my rifter I undock, lose my rifter Select my rifter and lose it plot twist, it turns into a smaller rifter ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^
Zappity Kurved Space 94	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:37:00 - [58] - Quote Shoot first, worry about sec status later. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Zappity Kurved Space 94	Posted - 2013.05.23 21:41:00 - [59] - Quote Ckra Trald wrote: when i pvp, I shoot first and lose my rifter I shoot second, I lose my rifter I undock, lose my rifter Select my rifter and lose it plot twist, it turns into a smaller rifter This is the correct procedure. Carry on. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Barbelo Valentinian Justified Chaos 362	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:07:00 - [60] - Quote Years ago I made a Rifter alt in order to do the done thing. He even had a badass bio and all. Trouble is, I could never bring myself to shoot first. Don't know what it is, but no matter how I turn it around, play with it, rp it, whatever, something in me just revolts at shooting first, even in a game. So I'm still crap at PvP. It's an illness, I know.
Gnaw LF AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 418	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:29:00 - [61] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. It does not matter who makes the first shot, what matters is who gets the killmail. http://zkillboard.com/character/1203530224/
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2175	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:33:00 - [62] - Quote Depends on a few factors of course. In terms of high-sec war, shooting before target aggression is usually pointless, unless they simply can't jump or dock. If I'm flying my 16,000 volley Machariel, shooting first is usually a good idea. The reduced session change timer, even though I like it, makes me a little sad in that respect. Oh, and I really doubt the OP returns fire on anything with that kind of attitude. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Roime Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo 2934	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:36:00 - [63] - Quote I'm currently operating under NRDS-EMIIAFM(WIPCR) ROE in lowsec Not Red Don't Shoot -Except Maybe If It's A ****** Marauder (Which I Probably Can't Resist) -á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars -
Felicity Love STARKRAFT Joint Venture Conglomerate 624	Posted - 2013.05.23 22:56:00 - [64] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? Back when the "flare" on WH passage worked differently, I used to launch bombs at that special moment and catch the lucky contestant coming through unaware he was about to be engulfed in the bomb's AoE. Sometimes it worked great, and the effects were hilarious. Other times, I'd just warp off and listen to the spew of foulness in Local and still get a giggle. The element of surprise, best surprise -- it's high time that Locals throughout EVE worked on the same basis as WH Locals. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 413	Posted - 2013.05.23 23:00:00 - [65] - Quote So many negative Nancy's in this thread. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Eli Green The Arrow Project 660	Posted - 2013.05.23 23:06:00 - [66] - Quote I dunno when I pvp we my opponent and I seem to start shooting at the same time wumbo
Alternate Poster Ministry of War Amarr Empire 104	Posted - 2013.05.23 23:07:00 - [67] - Quote 4 pages of useless discussion when all that matters is who fired the last shot.
Eli Green The Arrow Project 660	Posted - 2013.05.23 23:11:00 - [68] - Quote Alternate Poster wrote: 4 pages of useless discussion when all that matters is who fired the last shot. not true. What if your opponent is using missiles wumbo
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 43	Posted - 2013.05.24 08:03:00 - [69] - Quote EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: But they fired the first shot they are the aggressor, and you would have the moral high ground to return in a better combat ship for revenge, provided you made a note of your opponents name. I'd stick to high-sec if I was you. What a pompous and patronising statement. And yet completely accurate. Hardly, that little girl seems to imply low sec is something to be scared of, but hey ho, when I've gone through the sisters of eve arch after the June 4 expansion I'll head probably head over to low tec to see if its anything like its cracked up to be, heck I might even join a corp while I'm there, like say Pandemic Legion, as from what I've been reading, it looks like they could need some help with the Honey Bear Alliance kicking their ass all over low sec, but then I suspect Pandemic Legion are now well past their sell by date.
baltec1 Bat Country 6638	Posted - 2013.05.24 08:14:00 - [70] - Quote What an odd thread.
Hessian Arcturus S.W.O.R.D. Navy 113	Posted - 2013.05.24 08:36:00 - [71] - Quote Everytime I've been shot at first, I've lost a ship. Ever time I've shot first, they lost a ship. Sure it won't always be that way (i'm guessing) but so far it has... I am slowly watching my security status going down It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Terra Khashour Pink Bunnies Cartel. 3	Posted - 2013.05.24 10:22:00 - [72] - Quote I'm just doing pew pew, dont care who shoot first, importnant is who will be alive when i stop shoot.
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment 64	Posted - 2013.05.24 10:33:00 - [73] - Quote Shoot first, ask questions later. One and only correct answer in EVE.
EdFromHumanResources ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 108	Posted - 2013.05.24 11:29:00 - [74] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: EdFromHumanResources wrote: That's what all the lowsec l33t pvper cyno alts say. When 'Is the target a PL zergling with a cyno?' question rises to the top of the list there are a few other questions that must be answered... Do you see at least 1/3 of a fleet composed of Tech 2 logistics ships on dscan? Do you see 30 T3 battlecruisers on dscan? Did you see 30 Nyx's on scan on your way through Amamake? Does the target have a slight air of scumbag entitlement? Does the target not respond in local chat due to his strict alliance rules? The douchebag checklist goes on and on... My what lovely nerd rage you have there. Also since when do we fly T3 Battlecruisers on fishing fleets and have rules against talking in local? PS. No entitlement here, just smug superiority.
Bruce Kemp Relentless Force That Escalated Quickly 41	Posted - 2013.05.24 12:28:00 - [75] - Quote I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock.
flakeys Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation 1108	Posted - 2013.05.24 13:48:00 - [76] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: Six Six Six wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. If you're at war then to wait until they fire at you is daft. Not necessarily, if they use a gun your shields if the round hits can absorb the first round, if they use missiles or rockets you can see em coming, if they use lasers they might miss with the first salvo. Its the principal of who shoots first becomes the aggressor. No it's the principal of surviving in hull or dying when your opponent only has hull left. The principal of killing your opponent before his buddies land on grid or being just too late so his buddies place the scrambler on you too. Allways make the first shot if you feel an engagment coming. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Drachiel Mercury LLC 26	Posted - 2013.05.24 22:35:00 - [77] - Quote The moral high ground is meaningless. I shoot first when the situation calls for it, and wait for aggression when it calls for that (enemy on station or gate @ 0).
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3592	Posted - 2013.05.25 03:32:00 - [78] - Quote Bruce Kemp wrote: I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock. Prefiring is a useful strategy. I am a nullsec zealot.
Mr Morita Calamitous-Intent 34	Posted - 2013.05.25 04:42:00 - [79] - Quote EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: EdFromHumanResources wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: Do you fire the first shot, or do you wait till your opponent(s) have fired the first shot? If you fire the first shot you are the aggressor, and your opponent is simply defending her/his self. If they fire the first shot at you, they are the aggressor, and you are simply defending yourself. Me, I'll never fire the first shot. Spoken like a true high sec dweller. You make that sound like its a bad thing. You're a blind man giving input on what colors compliment each other. Relevant.
Pitrolo Orti Caldari Provisions Caldari State 67	Posted - 2013.05.25 05:02:00 - [80] - Quote In RL I always throw the first punch...why waste your time. There is always the chance you can knock them out with one. Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Marianne Pollard University of Caille Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.05.25 07:41:00 - [81] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Adela Talvanen wrote: I'm morally right I don't understand this phrase. What does it mean? It's a 'new-age' thing. It'll never catch on. As you were.
Garresh Team Chicken and Waffles 211	Posted - 2013.05.25 08:04:00 - [82] - Quote If they're approaching you in a PvP, wtf do you think their intentions are? And what if you're kite fit? You gonna let them close distance before you engage? How about if you're brawl and catch them entering a plex? You can't AFFORD not to take the first shot. Approaching you is proof of intent. This Space Intentionally Left Blank
Long John Silver Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 58	Posted - 2013.05.25 09:56:00 - [83] - Quote Why can't you guys be nice to each other? Go hug a noob instead. Long John Silver \| Pirate Alt-áand Forum Troll.
Tragic Failure Order of the Black Dagger Point Blank Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.06.04 04:17:00 - [84] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Bruce Kemp wrote: I try to fire my guns before i even have a lock. Prefiring is a useful strategy. Could you please explain that to my ex-wife... Thanks...

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