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Dead-eye Flint
Lone Star Unlimited
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:35:00 -
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Please reconsider and avoid going through with this change.
With EvE's rather unconventional/unique hulldesigns it has been extremely difficult to find a ship that offers both a visually and gameplaywise appealing design. And while most likely not all that numerous overall, there are likely to be a lot of pilots who chose to train for certain (command)ships at least partially based on their appearance.
In my case it was the Nighthawk that offered a good combination of tank-type, weaponsystem and hulldesign that I liked. Its design played a major factor in my decision to invest all this traning time needed to fly it properly and also made me willing to accept its sub-par performance.
People like me may be in the minority but we do exist and such a change will remove us from the list of players flying the ship(s) in question, there is no doubt about it.
The question is now, are there really so many people around that will suddenly start flying these ships due to the change, as opposed to all of us who will be more or less forced to abandon them.
Either way, this change going through will mean upsetting and at the very least frustrating a portion of the playerbase. Is that really worth it?
ps: for me too this is the first time that I saw the need to post on these forums after playing for multiple years. |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors
Insidious Empire
74
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:50:00 -
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Excellent idea, +1, change it, it'll add much needed hull type diversity. |
Trigalisk
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:55:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I'm not entirely sure about Sleip and Nighthawk, but Eos and Abso - yes, please! :)
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Odellia
Meteor Star
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:05:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Odellia wrote:
As far as the Nighthawk is concerned, I've loved the Ferox hull for as long as I could remember. Changing to the Drake is just rather lame. It's not that I hate the look of the drake, but on the contrary, I'm rather fond of it. But the nighthawk has always had the feeling of being a beast/brawler and the Ferox hull matches that feeling perfectly. The drake is more of a sleek, long range, kiter, which does not match the feeling of the Nighthawk at all.
Bit weird to base things off your feeling when that feeling is the polar opposite of what the ship is. I mean the nighthawk had the bonus for specifically the long range missile system and has less ehp than the drake which was always great with hams yet you thought it "felt like a brawler in comparison". Isn't that just you being weird?
Your thinly veiled attempt at saying "Your opinion doesn't match mine so it is clearly wrong" is duly noted. However I will respond to why I feel the nighthawk felt like a brawler. I always played the nighthawk with HAM's, which gave it a range out to 20km or so with my skills. At the time 20km always felt like close range combat, since at that range I was always getting hammered by NPC's but easily brushing off their hits with my passive fit. This is why it felt like a brawler compared to it's brother/sister which is clearly a sniper boat. However, this is off topic so no more will be said.
I already said I don't want the changes, especially to the Eos. Myrm model is shite, looks unfinished and flies just as bad.
If anything I would love to see the Myrm re-envisioned, or at least finished, then maybe you can make the Eos the new Myrm. But for now, Myrm is the sore thumb of BC's. Sticks out and looks dumb. |
Invisusira
The Rising Stars
The Initiative.
186
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Posted - 2013.08.07 05:13:00 -
[545] - Quote
Buff the Harbinger model like you did the Apoc and then yes. Else, no.
Harbinger is like the friends don't let friends skip leg day guy. It needs a fatter ass; for such a badass dps ship it looks a bit silly from the back.
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Dead-eye Flint
Lone Star Unlimited
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:33:00 -
[546] - Quote
There is another argument against this change, at least regarding the Nighthawk (I cannot speak for the other Command Ships due to limited experience with them).
Part of the reason why so many people are supporting the idea at hand is because they wish for a greater ship diversity on the field (rightfully so in my oppinion). Now compare the amount of Drakes/Navy Drakes that you come across with the combined number of Ferox, Nighthawk and Vulture models that can be found flying all across the EvE universe.
Based on all my time here that comparison already heavily favors the Drake-count. Thus from what I have seen changing the Nighthawk model to a Drake would further reduce the actual ship diversity. |
Eldrith Jhandar
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
3
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:05:00 -
[547] - Quote
I am very much looking forward to this change, to all of these ships =] |
SOL Ranger
Jaeger Squadron
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:09:00 -
[548] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
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Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
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So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Yes please, make it happen. |
Alsyth
80
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Posted - 2013.08.08 14:49:00 -
[549] - Quote
EOS to myrmidon hull just because you did an exception with faction Brutix.
Eos being mostly unused now it won't annoy anyone.
All the others stay the same, no reason to change them.
If you really want to change them, putting the tier 3 BC hulls would be as (il)logical, tbh... |
Char Newak
0
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:32:00 -
[550] - Quote
This change won't bring a greater Ship diversity, just mostly the same Shipmodels with a diffrent visual appeareance
strictly NO!
to this change. |
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Phaade
Debitum Naturae
WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:38:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Hell yeah!
DOOOO EEEEETTT! |
Char Newak
0
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Posted - 2013.08.08 21:16:00 -
[552] - Quote
oh, and beside...:
/ironic mode on
this change would be really good, forcing ressources in such a Project instead of developing newer and greater Content.
this "hull-change" will Keep People away from playing Starcitizen i.e. just because of new(old) awesome ship-hulls
/ironic mode off |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
24
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Posted - 2013.08.08 22:04:00 -
[553] - Quote
Char Newak wrote:oh, and beside...:
/ironic mode on
this change would be really good, forcing ressources in such a Project instead of developing newer and greater Content.
this "hull-change" will Keep People away from playing Starcitizen i.e. just because of new(old) awesome ship-hulls
/ironic mode off
/ironic mode on
Its like People could do something productive in eve like help New Capsulers which would be better then Posting useless postings without any content...
/ironic mode off
We do not need 4 Brutix /thread |
Satyr Bloodstone
The Blood and Stone Group
0
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Posted - 2013.08.09 21:58:00 -
[554] - Quote
I would be supportive of all changes. All those hulls are awesome and it would let us see more of them. I would love to see my Sleipnir looking like a Cane or my Nighthawk looking like a suped-up Drake. |
Zamyslinski
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.08.11 11:19:00 -
[555] - Quote
Dont change the hulls until your art department got 4 new hulls for the command ships ready. Dont be ******* lazy CCP |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
148
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Posted - 2013.08.11 11:39:00 -
[556] - Quote
Dear people who are responsible for the design... Will there be a sneak preview for the design?
I only correct my own spelling. |
Whitehound
1805
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:34:00 -
[557] - Quote
It would be an unnecessary change with at best a superficial gain. There are several more cases, not only command ships, where one can question the choice of hull, but I have come to think that it is only a lack of imagination, which is driving this need for a change. If one can imagine one spaceship design to perform a certain function then one can imagine it for almost any hull.
If this was some StarTrek MMO carrying the message of love and understanding then one would do good to care for such details, but this is EVE and it will be a sad day when CCP decides they now care for the superficial needs of nerds.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
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Posted - 2013.08.11 15:15:00 -
[558] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Yes, many times over |
Illyria Dalmatae
Interwebz Space Jerks
0
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:14:00 -
[559] - Quote
I would much rather a complete redesign of the Harbinger Hull (Like the Apoc) or a New Absolution model before simply changing the paint job of a Harbinger and calling it a Absolution. |
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
9
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:34:00 -
[560] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I think it would be better the other way around. That would allow people that like the Drake hull to have 2 missile and one gun variant. Missile or laser version of the Harb hull, Drone or Hybrid version of the Myrm hull etc. |
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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.11 21:58:00 -
[561] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business. |
Petrov Kreigt
TunDraGon
Suddenly Spaceships.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:36:00 -
[562] - Quote
Myrm EOS is cool, i could get behind that... Even though its the fleet command ship and the only one in these proposed changes.
Sleipnir - Hell no
Absolution - Even more hell no
Nighthawk - Oh hell hell hell no.
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Petrov Kreigt
TunDraGon
Suddenly Spaceships.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.11 22:39:00 -
[563] - Quote
GetSirrus wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. Fozzie, how possible would be it to allow for the option of selecting the racial BC hull to use for the T2 output? Myrmidon hull in, vertical Eos out. It would make a nice niche industry - pimping your ride business.
I like this idea. The people wanting change get what they want, and the people against it get what they want.
A command ship is a modified BC hull with warfare modules etc etc... so why not give the ability to modify either of the 2 BC hulls to create a command ship. |
Seagrey Raholan
TriFlexure
Void-Legion
2
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Posted - 2013.08.12 01:57:00 -
[564] - Quote
I think changing the hulls of the command ships is a great idea, I also think the idea of all T2 ships looking different someday, is an even better idea and really hope this happens. Even maybe looking completely different?? but can't have everything :) |
Serena Stormrunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:02:00 -
[565] - Quote
DJWiggles wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
HAVE MY BABIES NAIOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QFT! |
Seolfor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:41:00 -
[566] - Quote
Um, No - the Nighthawk, to me, is the sexiest ship in EvE.
I fly it, with far better alternatives available, only cause i cant stop admiring its curves and super paint combo.
I cant imagine Sleipnir and Absolution enthusiasts would like this either.
I still see the merit of this idea though.
Now, maybe, they should add custom hulls as a feature in the winter xpack - Nighthawk, build either as a Drake or Ferox hull. Exact same stats, just looks different, depending on the BPC/BPO used.
OR make them differ in stats, random e.g.
reduce base hull bonus -5% HML/HAM Dmg,
Nighthawk, using Drake Hull - +5% shield resist [makes it a 25% shield resist, -5% Dmg version NHawk]
Nighthawk, using Ferox Hull - +5% Launcher Dmg [ie makes it the 'original' post balance NHawk stats]
The meta i guess plays like with T3s i.e. look at it and know what youre likely fighting. |
Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.08.12 06:31:00 -
[567] - Quote
While I like the idea of having more distinctive hulls for each ship, I can't say I find the Myrmidon very suited to a fleet command ship role. It just doesn't look tough enough. I'd rather keep the Eos as is and make the Astarte look a bit more like the Talos, for example. I'd also keep the Sleipnir as is and change the Claymore instead.
Ideally they should all have unique hulls (even if those are inspired by T1 BC hulls) and not just new textures, anyway.
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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
MinTek Conglomerate
52
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Posted - 2013.08.12 11:57:00 -
[568] - Quote
Switchable paintjobs, why not? Or just really more different hulls. Right now I don't see too much choice if I want to fill a special role. Specialisation could be good but it forces some decisions, like I don't train CS to high level and buy a sliepnir because I hate Cyclone-based hulls and boundless creations paintjobs, although I appreciate its capabilities. Other people trained sliepnir for what it is (probably).
Same for nighthawk: I like it in ferox hull, but still want something like t2 drake.
What about variations during invention? Choosing what corp to pick for assistance (through RDbs) to get different stats and paintjob. This will create lots of issues, though, so won't happen... But still. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University
Ivy League
169
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:29:00 -
[569] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
In case I haven't posted before, I would support this. |
Conmen
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
27
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:00:00 -
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I support the hull changes. |
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