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Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
307
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:21:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
DOOOOO EEEEETTT!!!!!! - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |

Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
307
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Posted - 2013.06.13 00:23:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:I have a great attachment to the Sleipnir in its current form, and I believe the same holds true for most people flying the Sleipnir.
As I have understood it so far, the current state of the discussion is, that for the most part the amarr and caldari do not really care that much about the models, whereas the gallente would like a myrmidon hull, especially as the myrm hull was overlooked for the navy battlecruiser, and the Minmatar are largely against the Hurricane model for the Sleipnir.
Therefore I believe that the need for change is not big enough to warrant it if 25% of the people say "yes" 50% "meh" and 25% "no".
This is true. I want the myrm as a t2/faction hull of some kind. The rest are irrelevant. Since the Eos is supposed to be getting myrm-like bonuses anyway, there's no reason not to change it. - Mission Overhaul - Bridging the PVP / PVE Gap - -áIf the game stops teaching people to fear lowsec, maybe people will start going there? |

Ridic Poison
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
2
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Posted - 2013.06.13 02:45:00 -
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I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?
if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other. |

Rhianna Ghost
Eat My Shorts Inc. Suicide-Commando
34
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:14:00 -
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Ridic Poison wrote:I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?
if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other.
The command ships have to change a lot to not be overrun by the Navy BCs.
And I it is really all or nothing, as the BPCs for inventing the things will (or at least should) change too.
And I am very fond of the idea! DO IT NOW. I want my T2 Harby and a Hurricane Sleipnir |

Crysis McNally
Aideron Technologies
6
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Posted - 2013.06.13 06:40:00 -
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Yes to all but the Eos. I like the Brutix hull too much and the Astarte does not have roles/bonuses I need. Make the Astarte a Myrmidon. :-P |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
333
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Posted - 2013.06.13 08:34:00 -
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Ridic Poison wrote:I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?
if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other.
It has already been said about 15 times (almost once per page) that this change would be totally separate from any rebalancing that the Command Ships will be receiving. If this were to happen tomorrow, the only difference you'd notice would be the hull. Everything else, from bonuses to fittings to slot layout, would remain identical.
Now, that's not to say those things won't be changed. We know very well that the Sleipnir and Claymore have an extra slot that the other six command ships don't have, so either they're losing that slot when rebalance time comes or the other ships are all gaining a slot to match the power level of the Minmatar ships. We also know that "Field" and "Fleet" distinctions are being abolished, with both roles getting their bonuses changed around to allow for either hull to choose between good DPS or good boosting. On top of that we also definitely know that two command ships, namely the Eos and the Claymore, will be changing weapon platforms entirely.
These changes are coming, whether the hull change happens or not. The hull change is completely separate though, and has absolutely no impact on which direction the Command Ship rebalance goes. |

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
110
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Posted - 2013.06.13 10:30:00 -
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0racle wrote:Meh, I retract my previous want. Assault ships have always pulled it off with one model. So have command ships. So have interceptors. They're just too memorable to start ******* around with. I have an idea though, bring us a BC sized HAC.
Disagree, Assault Frigs are all using the same model, so do Interceptors. Just because it is like that doesn't necessarily mean that it makes any kind of sense. Artists have been lazy once, that alone doesn't mean that all t2 ships need to be originating from the same hull.
It has been nice for the last time, and we got used to all those hulls. However there are always some visionaries that reach for the possibilities of design. People were screaming about the vagabond revamp, and in the end got away really lucky. Oh ya, why are assault cruisers using different hulls and CS don't? Maybe cause tier 2 battlecruisers plainly haven't been around at the time CS got introduced. Time to FIX that.
"It's always been like that, don't change it! Only change stuff I don't like" - is an outdated conservative position.
Given the chances of the new hulls and the fact that an eve player's memory only catches the last two weeks (regarding changes), all that could happen would be more optical diversity.
Also: 0racle wrote:bring us a BC sized HAC. This is exactly what field command ships are atm... And if you rule out the abso/astarte/sleipnir from being oversized HACs you surely categorize things strangely. (never flew a nighthawk) |

Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.06.14 16:53:00 -
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Witcher Stilgar wrote:I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase....
You know I definitely flip flopped when I came to this thread. First I supported it then I cried csm-esque vote.
After thinking about it you know what would be really cool. GIVE US THE CSM-ESQUE VOTE AND GIVE US NEW HULLS.
8 NEW HULLS, YES 8
Each races 2 original names and 2 new ones
Why, because f this new multiple boost bonus mess. That's WHY.
That's 4 CS*s for 4 Boost*s bonuses. As a Gallente I want the Brutix and Myrm in my soup AND two new boats to take out. Give me something new. please |

Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
76
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Posted - 2013.06.14 17:49:00 -
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I like them as they are. They are all using the BC models that look beefier, which works well for a T2 BC. I think the "tier 3" BCs would work better than the "tier 2" BCs as new command ship hulls, visually. But I still prefer the "tier 1" hulls to continue to be used. For both command ships. Its ok that both command ships per race us the same hull because... they're both command ships. |

DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
262
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Posted - 2013.06.14 18:22:00 -
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Bump FOR the change!! The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
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Wedieyounge Antilles
SKULLDOGS Game Over.
3
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Posted - 2013.06.14 20:18:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
I also totally agree with this change.
-¼ Wedge Antilles [SDOGS], Grunt |

Ace Mooncat
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 07:24:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
yes
make it so |

Sai Renn
Sacred Templar Knights Claimed.
0
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Posted - 2013.06.16 12:10:00 -
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Being a pilot who played long before the Myrm, Drake, Cane, and Harb were first added, I can understand why some people would hate this idea. If I'm honest, when this was mentioned as an idea a few years back I was completely against it (as a nighthawk pilot who hates the drake hulls look).
But as time has progressed I can see the reasoning behind it, and have even started to warm up to the drake hull a bit. As it stands I would support the change now, would defiantly help add some more variety to the current lineup.
I could see a few people hating it as they would have to switch there BP's when building them, but that's not something that cant be done easily enough.
Id also like to see t2 versions of the Naga, Talos ect. obviously not as command ships however. |

Battlingbean
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Yes please!
At the very least the Eos should be Myrm hull since It received no love with the new navy battle cruisers and it would be awesome to fly a Creo Dron Myrm. |

Gustav Kleist
Spline Inc. v3.14
21
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:45:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Supported! |

Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
262
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:18:00 -
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Supported - red stripe drake? yes please. Maybe add a extra antenna or the rotating dish type deal that is on the scorp (only smaller). |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
538
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Posted - 2013.06.17 02:23:00 -
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ExAstra wrote:The Myrmidon gets no love. It's not a Command ship, and it's not the Navy ship. I think it'd be neat for the Myrmidon to be the Eos. The Astarte has to be the Brutix, but an Eos Myrm would be glorious. Although I'd be sad to see the Brutix Eos go at the same time. I'm confused by the decision to make the former tier 2 BCs get faction versions except give the Gallente a version of the tier 1.
Of course, I think they should have given us faction versions of both the former tier 1s AND tier 2s. |

Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies Happy Cartel
65
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Posted - 2013.06.17 02:40:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
I too am very attached to the Sleipnir, so mixed feelings about this... It would depend on the paintjob of the Hurricane, it needs to be flashy and scary at the same time, I'm a bit worried that it won't get the "aggressive" look it deserves. |

Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
192
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:14:00 -
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Some flavor text would actually be nice if (as I hope) the conversion to the new hulls goes ahead. Particularly in the case of the Eos, some acknowledgement that CreoDron kind of laid an egg:
=== The Federation Navy's new command-ship requirements presented a problem for CreoDron; the Eos-class command ship was envisioned as the Gallente's first battlecruiser-class drone carrier, but the Brutix on which it was based had proven poorly suited to the role, practically an embarassment to CreoDron, and its most prominent role was as an object lesson to the designers of the Myrmidon-class drone battlecruiser. Given the mandate from the Navy, CreoDron had no realistic choice but to start over from scratch; their first major decision was to abandon the Brutix hull and use the Myrmidon as the basis for the Eos Mark II, thereby creating an equivalent to the wildly successful Ishtar-class heavy assault cruiser. The Eos Mark II can serve all of the functions of a dedicated command ship without sacrificing either the durable defenses or the offensive punch of its progenitor battlecruiser, something no other command ship fielded by any navy in New Eden can claim... === "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |

Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
24
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:32:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Hypotethically speaking, you'd make me buy a new pair of undies, because I'd cream them with joy. It,s small changes like these which would make us appreciate the dev team more.
The only one I'm iffy about is the absolution using the Harbinger hull. While it makes perfect sense for laser banks to be on that same hull, my inner Khanid just craves a sleek black Harbi with the tank of a carrier...
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Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
24
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:40:00 -
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Witcher Stilgar wrote:I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase....
I have a thing against making t2-only hulls, though. Stealthbombers were the awesome exception, because, well, torp and bomb bays. (Awesome job on that one)
But, yeah, if they're going to but such an AWESOMELY GOOD idea in a numbered patch, maybe look at some of the of the t2 hulls, especially the assault frigs and reskin some of the T1 models which got no love like the Tormentor. |

Scuzzy Logic
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
24
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Posted - 2013.06.17 12:43:00 -
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Silas Shaw wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. All or nothing? No dice. Much as I would love to see a Creodon Myrm and a Drake modeled hawk, my life requires LASERCHICKENS. Seeing as how the T1 is not a LASERCHICKEN and the Damnation is a paltry missilechicken, we must preserve the LASERCHICKEN. Perhaps a big black harby instead? Sorry for the caps, but they were needed. ;p
+1 for Harboomer and preserving Laserchicken because of the sheer novelty. Not that I'd find either upgrade bad relative to the current state of affairs.
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marVLs
187
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:10:00 -
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I would like more to give every T2 ship a unique model |

Apollo Sci
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 13:33:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I support this decision 100% |

Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
273
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:25:00 -
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Fozzie, why does it have to be an all-or-nothing proposition? Obviously, people are near universal in their praise for a Myrm-to-Eos change, while some have expressed misgivings with changing the Sleipnir around. Why is it that we can't take each ship individually and discuss? Personally, if it has to be all-or-nothing, I'd say go for it.
But if we were going to consider each individually, I'm sure many people would find the idea of a black Hurricane-turned-Claymore just as appealing as a black Cyclone, and by doing that, you'd still keep the Sleipnir in its most iconic hull. Similarly, people love the Damnation in its current form, so that'd likely be set and free up the Abso to use the Harby hull. I think the Caldari boats are the only ones where people are somewhat torn (on the individual ships), with there being some mixed feelings on the Drake hull itself. Personally, with this grouping, I'd rather the ships be the opposite of their T1 weapons, keeping the Nighthawk a Ferox and transitioning the Vulture to a Drake (turreted Drake? Sounds good!)
I don't see why it'd have to be all-or-nothing, though, especially given the mixed feelings on the ships individually. |

Agykoo Mishi
Orion Ore International II
3
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:56:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
i know its been some 21+ pages but i wanted to throw my support behind this very cool idea. ^_^
only thing i coudl ask more for would be that if the eos uses the myrm hull, maybe make it have better drone bandwith at lest. |

ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
160
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:15:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:But if we were going to consider each individually, I'm sure many people would find the idea of a black Hurricane-turned-Claymore just as appealing as a black Cyclone, and by doing that, you'd still keep the Sleipnir in its most iconic hull. Similarly, people love the Damnation in its current form, so that'd likely be set and free up the Abso to use the Harby hull. Oh hell no. Don't you make the beautiful Claymore just a "black" Hurricane. I hate the Hurricane, and I also hate the Sleipnir scheme. Therefor I support changing the Cyclone to Hurricane on the Sleipnir.
As for the Damnation/Absolution, the Harby is going to be Absolution anyway according to Fozzie's post, so not sure what you're talking about there. Save the drones! |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
398
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:24:00 -
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Quote:Turreted Drake? Sounds good! "Sounds demented" is more like it. Granted, Caldari ships are on average the product of someone's misadventures with an arc welder and illegal hallucinogenics but putting turrets on a drake is just... weird. |

ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
160
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:26:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Quote:Turreted Drake? Sounds good! "Sounds demented" is more like it. Granted, Caldari ships are on average the product of someone's misadventures with an arc welder and illegal hallucinogenics but putting turrets on a drake is just... weird. It's weird enough now that missile launchers have "turrets".
I think missile launchers should operate more like cruise/torpedo launchers where the missiles are internal and erupt from the ship. Save the drones! |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
398
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Posted - 2013.06.17 18:28:00 -
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I actually kind of like that idea.. but that's better in a different thread. |
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