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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.03 21:58:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.
As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.
Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please.
that was not indicated anywhere. fozzie said they will have good damage projected AND 3 links. never said anything about a full rack of weapons. but i do agree, this is for another post. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
425
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:24:00 -
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Hell yeeeaaaaaaah !
You have my vote for this idea OP and Fozzie !
G££ <= Me |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:28:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Fozzie dislikes power creep. His style of balancing will probably force him to remove that extra slot from the Minmatar CS in order to "bring them in line with the others". Odds are that this will cause unfathomable angst and quite possibly remove a fair share of the Sleipnir's popularity, resulting in somewhat fewer pilots caring if the model is changed or not.
As for the highslot layout, it was indicated that they aren't going to let you fit a full rack of weapons and a full rack of boosts at the same time. You'll have to choose between DPS, boosting, or a mix of both.
Regardless of that, this is not the thread for discussing ship balancing mechanics. Make a thread elsewhere for that, please. Yes, it would be truly terrible if Minmatar didn't just get a **** ton of massive bonuses to their subcap hulls that all but obsolete other factions. |
Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Eos would use the Myrm hull Dooooooooooo eeeeeeeeeeet! |
Anshu Zephyran
Zephyran INC StructureDamage
14
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Posted - 2013.06.03 22:52:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
There is not enough yes in the world to express my support for this.
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Nike Andedare
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
3
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:04:00 -
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Yes please!!!
As many before me have stated, do this for all T2/Faction ships. If you are using a (insert weapon type here) bonused ship, then the hull should be based off the T1 version.
Sorry to all the "iconic" ships that will get a more lore-logical hull. |
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative Trans-Stellar Industries
300
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:04:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Being quite honest, I love the command ships. But something about the Carthum Prophecy hull is simply beautiful and should never be thrown away.
So while changing out the Abso to be based on the Harbi is sound in logic, I will shed a tear if you guys don't find some way to include a Prophecy hull with Carthum colors. If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that? |
Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
10
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Posted - 2013.06.03 23:36:00 -
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I vote YES! |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
210
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:27:00 -
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So CCP, how many yes's do you need, as it stands now there's like 200 in support of this change and there's already 14 pages and nearly 500 likes. If you do nothing else, at least change the Eos to the Myrmidon, not one person here has said anything negative about that at least lol. The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
464
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:30:00 -
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At the very least, change the eos to the myrmidon... You did make the navy bc a brutix hull.... |
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Mahuika
AIR WATER Mors ex Elementis
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 03:45:00 -
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Quote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull +1 from me. |
Siempre Duskwraith
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:05:00 -
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Welp its pretty obvious I'm in the minority here about not wanting to change the nighthawk to the drake model from the ferox. For me this would be like making the Jaguar look like the Probe. I guess I'll try and fly it as much as possible until they change the model or until Goons, NCdot, and PL wipe us all out. Sad day. |
Onslaughtor
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
52
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Posted - 2013.06.04 04:40:00 -
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In a perfect world I would want both ^_^.
The drake and harbinger are two of my favorite hulls in the game and I'm not really impressed by the Kaalakiota and Carthum colors on them. I would kill to see them in Ishukone and Khanid colors respectively. It would also give the ship hulls some of that cross weapon feel that the sacrilege and onyx have . I'm sure I'm not the only one who has wanted to put blasters on a drake, and hams on a harbinger.
The Eos looks good and I think I agree with everyone else when it comes to the Sleipnir. The Core Comlpexion colors would look amazing on the hurricane hull. |
Xygatrix
No Self Esteem
7
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Posted - 2013.06.04 06:37:00 -
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I'm seriously torn. The proposed Eos and Nighthawk look beautiful but I greatly prefer classic Sleip and I hate the Harbinger hull. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
536
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Posted - 2013.06.04 07:28:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls. The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later. Nighthawk (and perhaps also Drake) should have 2 of their launcher bumps removed from the model. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1434
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:32:00 -
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Use the Myrm hull! USE THE MYRM HULL!!!!!
that is all. |
Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
60
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:33:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Do it and then, please, a T2 version of tier 3 BC.
Field Command Ships Firepower Fleet Command Ships Bonus Black Ops Command Ships |
Bakuhz
The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades
22
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Posted - 2013.06.04 08:38:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
I like the idea with a few boundaries
first of all touch the nighthawk as a ferox model and you declare war to caldari ferox is to d@mn sexy with black and red so hands off as long as the damnation stays a prophecy hull in khanid colors i am happy although i would like to see more ships in khanid colors ( Redeemer / Purifier )
oh and i love the Myrm for anything else i am totally PRO very nice so fozzie ill say do it with the few limitations
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Bakuhz#kills |
Seeing Double
Suddenly Corporation. Suddenly Spaceships.
8
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Posted - 2013.06.04 09:03:00 -
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NO Do NOT change those CS' to the Myrm etc.
Myrmidon - Serpentis Harbinger - Blood Raider Hurricane - Angel?? Drake - Guristas
I think that'd be amazing. |
Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
286
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:22:00 -
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Personally, I'd rather the alternative hulls, actually be used for some new form of command ship, with different bonuses and uses on the field. But this would require some innovation on CCP's part and introduction of new game mechanics. But after you've done balancing, this is the sort of direction I'd like to see things go, rather than a cosmetic change. We are recruiting talented pilots for innovative small gang PvP
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175061
http://www.thedeadrabbitsociety.com |
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Moonaura
The Dead Rabbit Society
286
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:24:00 -
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Bakuhz wrote:[quote=CCP Fozzie]
first of all touch the nighthawk as a ferox model and you declare war to caldari ferox is to d@mn sexy with black and red so hands off
Agreed. The best damn paint job on all Caldari ships. Better than the 'urgh' gold to gray motif. We are recruiting talented pilots for innovative small gang PvP
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=175061
http://www.thedeadrabbitsociety.com |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
66
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:31:00 -
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Is it possible to make such change only to eos?
Anyway, i am worried about future rebalance of this class much more then the model's version. Continue with nerf of this ships (1% resist change - remeber?) simply unacceptable |
Shugga Ditz
Chaos Army
8
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:43:00 -
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Do it... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
228
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:54:00 -
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PavlikX wrote:Is it possible to make such change only to eos?
Anyway, i am worried about future rebalance of this class much more then the model's version. Continue with nerf of this ships (1% resist change - remeber?) simply unacceptable
Fozzie said before that the hull change is all or nothing. As far as the rebalance is concerned, this isn't the thread for it but I can't be bothered to dig through a mountain of dev blogs looking for the exact ones I can never find, so I'll just go over it briefly. The biggest parts of it are pretty obvious. Merge Field and Fleet types so that there's only Command Ships with no more Field/Fleet, both hulls get bonuses to boosts as well as actually-useful bonuses to weapons and the ability to not die immediately in a fight.
As for a change that wasn't specifically mentioned but seems pretty obvious in needing to be done, either every other command ship gets an extra slot to match the Sleip/Clay, making every other Command Ship much more powerful and popular (this is unlikely, based on prior evidence) or the Sleip and Clay lose a slot each, bringing them in line with the other six Command Ships and igniting a threadnought of biblical proportions (this is more likely, based on Fozzie's track record). |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
66
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Posted - 2013.06.04 10:59:00 -
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I know perfectly about that devblog, and i mean exact stats of that ships - hp, slot, pg, cpu, skill bonuses and so on. CCP never posted such information before. It's obvious that fleet CS will have significant changes, field CS will have smaller numbers of changes (looks like). Here what i mean |
Gorgoth24
Sickology
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 11:43:00 -
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I support that half the command ship hulls be switched to tier 2 BC hulls.
Please make this happen! |
max ericshaun
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 12:03:00 -
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YES |
Crestor Markham
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:15:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
Yeah I actually don't really like the change, mostly due to sleip (also slightly due to hating drake and all its models). Let's not spend dev time on it.
re newbies not knowing what a sleip will do based on its model: THEY WILL LEARN QUICKLY AND NOT FORGET |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
232
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Posted - 2013.06.04 14:22:00 -
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Crestor Markham wrote:
Yeah I actually don't really like the change, mostly due to sleip (also slightly due to hating drake and all its models). Let's not spend dev time on it.
re newbies not knowing what a sleip will do based on its model: THEY WILL LEARN QUICKLY AND NOT FORGET
Art Dev time is going to be spent on changing the Command Ship models, regardless of whether they switch the hulls or not. That much is 100% guaranteed to happen. It's also the same amount of dev time either way. |
Tarkett Reedster
House of Reed Interstellar Defense Force NISYN Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:11:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull
Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
Abso would use the Harb hull
Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
Fozzie I would take it a step further and leave all of the existing hulls in game GÇ£as isGÇ¥ and change their paint schemes to an alternate NPC scheme e.g. the current Ferox/Nighthawk could use the Lia Dai colors. Then all new GÇ£Draked hulledGÇ¥ Nighthawks would be new production only. That would create an instant collectorGÇÖs item that originated from GÇ£we the peopleGÇ¥ .
Now that would be cool! |
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