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0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:23:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Do it. |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:39:00 -
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SanshaGrey wrote:Jonas Sukarala wrote:all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull. +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME?
Could make the Vengeance a Tormentor. And make the Jaguar a symmetrical Burst.
As for any arguements regarding the dramatic change of roles regarding ship hulls. The Maller did become a Sacrilege. |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:44:00 -
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Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question. Sleipnir is my ship of choice... changing it to hurricane would destroy the game for me unless Claymore will become usefull for my playing style. Hurricane is a deal breaker for me. It's the Cyclone hull I love. EDIT: Just to add... Changing the Cyclone to missile boat was already hard for me as it's my secondary ship. But I could live with that.... but flying Sleipwith Hurricane hull.
It makes more sense. But the thing is, the hurricane was never about shield boosting. The sleip kind of is. |
Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
142
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:11:00 -
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/Agree with the proposed hull swap shenanigans SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY The Nightingales of Hades
478
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:03:00 -
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ExAstra wrote:Alx Warlord wrote:I WANT IT!!! THE ONLY REASON I DON'T FLY AN EOS IS BECOUSE IT DON'T LOOK LIKE A MYRM!!! Really? You don't not fly it because it's kind of the least attractive of all the Fleet Command Ships? (functionally, I mean)
Still better then myrmidon doesn't it? Please read these! > New POS system > New SOV system |
Alkyria Decile
Delstar Corp
4
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:40:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Why choosing the Brutix instead of the Myrmidon as a Navy hull?
Internal discussion resulted in favor of the Brutix since we felt it represented the Gallente combat doctrine more accurately with close range hybrids. A Myrmidon Navy Issue could also have been problematic to balance without overstepping on the Dominix, Vexor Navy Issue or even turret ships.
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.
I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.
It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.
This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
On one hand you guys decided to use the brutix because a myrm wasn't a blaster ship even though every other navy battle cruiser used the tier 2, and on the other you guys say its not important for the ships to match their original models function.
Given that a lot of catagories have an odd man out per say (navy brutix, caladari ecm battleship etc...) i don't see why there would be a huge issue to change one or 2 command ship models instead of all 4.
With that being said Creo drone needs to stop sitting on thier hands and get after that battlecruiser design! |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
254
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Posted - 2013.06.08 23:21:00 -
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19 pages and over 600 likes with an overwhelming positive reaction to the change, make it happen CCP! The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Atlanti IV
Horizon Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:59:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull
YES YES YES YES Let me stop before I get flagged for spamming |
Witcher Stilgar
likeabawsyo
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Posted - 2013.06.09 06:26:00 -
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I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase.... |
Mahuika
AIR WATER Mors ex Elementis
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:23:00 -
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Bump! |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:28:00 -
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I wonder if this thread will get to 20 pages. |
Vesan Terakol
Almost Deliberate
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:37:00 -
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A bit of personal opinion - I'd actually prefer the Claymore to be based on the Hurricane hull, not sure why... well, black Hurricane with missiles - sounds reasonable, right? The hulls shouldn't necessarily convey the weapon system when transfered to t2, as they are heavily modified versions of the t1. Besides, the hurricane has a sword-ish look -> Claymore, right? :) |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:53:00 -
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I guess another important question that hasn't been asked is - if you change the models will the stats/bonuses also change along with them? so sleipnir using a cane hull will it also become armour tanked and lose its shield rep bonus Absolution will it be a harbinger but with added resits bonus? Will the Vulture gain improved ferox stats? Otherwise i think a T2 cane model shield boosting like a cyclone is just plain wrong...
And also please make these more interesting than the combat bc's that are almost like clones but with different weapons. sleipnir with no tank bonus would be fine to have And the Gallente don't need to have active tanking on both hulls .. And damnation shouldn't have 2 different tanking bonuses maybe it could have the HP bonus for variance from absolution if you keep the resist bonus on absolution. 'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?-á ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high |
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
157
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Posted - 2013.06.10 17:55:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:I guess another important question that hasn't been asked is - if you change the models will the stats/bonuses also change along with them? so sleipnir using a cane hull will it also become armour tanked and lose its shield rep bonus Absolution will it be a harbinger but with added resits bonus? Will the Vulture gain improved ferox stats? Otherwise i think a T2 cane model shield boosting like a cyclone is just plain wrong... The question hasn't been asked because it was already answered, in the first post CCP made about the subject.
Which is "It would be an entirely visual change"
"GF" Save the drones! |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
600
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Posted - 2013.06.10 18:45:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.
I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.
So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.
If most feel that way (me included), perhaps there is a compromise.
In my books, 3 yes's outweigh 1 no. Nevertheless, the sleipnir could possibly be looked at by the art department a bit longer than a simple hurricane re-skin. Just as a stabber >> vagabond has a nice touch of extra dragon ears, perhaps the new sleipnir could look like a "cycloneized" hurricane? Give it two trainlights or something. Add a vargur sail. Put anoth- HEY WHO ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?!??!
"I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped* Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne" ... Because of Falcon. |
BlakPhoenix
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded Darkspawn.
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Posted - 2013.06.11 02:24:00 -
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very much yes |
Darth Felin
Monkey Attack Squad Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.11 08:27:00 -
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This Idea is excellent! |
Kane Fenris
NWP
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:43:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Don't .... just don't do it...
why? cause it wont get people happy without getting a significant amount unhappy. to make gamplay better it would be acceptable to have unhappy people but since it doesnt ....
just don't!!! |
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
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Posted - 2013.06.11 13:52:00 -
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Kane Fenris wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?
Don't .... just don't do it... why? cause it wont get people happy without getting a significant amount unhappy. to make gamplay better it would be acceptable to have unhappy people but since it doesnt .... just don't!!! There is literally nothing in the world anyone could do that would make 100% of people happy, your comment is invalid.
The Operative:-á"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds:-á"You have no idea how true that is". |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
585
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:01:00 -
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Eos changing to Myrmidon hull.... YES
The rest changing.... Meh. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
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Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat
162
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:21:00 -
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I have a great attachment to the Sleipnir in its current form, and I believe the same holds true for most people flying the Sleipnir.
As I have understood it so far, the current state of the discussion is, that for the most part the amarr and caldari do not really care that much about the models, whereas the gallente would like a myrmidon hull, especially as the myrm hull was overlooked for the navy battlecruiser, and the Minmatar are largely against the Hurricane model for the Sleipnir.
Therefore I believe that the need for change is not big enough to warrant it if 25% of the people say "yes" 50% "meh" and 25% "no".
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Gazmin VanBurin
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.11 15:55:00 -
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Yes, Yes Yes Plz I have wanted a black drake foreverrrrrrrrrrr
THo i would be interested in maybe making the cain be the claymore model, a missle spewing cain might look sexy |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
289
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:10:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:
If most feel that way (me included), perhaps there is a compromise.
In my books, 3 yes's outweigh 1 no. Nevertheless, the sleipnir could possibly be looked at by the art department a bit longer than a simple hurricane re-skin. Just as a stabber >> vagabond has a nice touch of extra dragon ears, perhaps the new sleipnir could look like a "cycloneized" hurricane? Give it two trainlights or something. Add a vargur sail. Put anoth- HEY WHO ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?!??!
I've repeated myself a lot on this, but I suppose now that we're up to 20 pages it's reasonable.
All the Command Ships are getting touched and remodeled a bit, whether this hull change happens or not. Just like the Marauders are all getting unique skins based loosely on their T1 versions, the Command Ships will be getting changed from their current appearance as well. This much is guaranteed no matter what. If you're confused, go look at the Tempest and then look at the Vargur. Switch back and forth between the Megathron and Kronos previews a few times; you'll see a number of differences between them and I don't just mean the color.
So yes, they'd be more than just "simple reskins". |
The Djego
Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
92
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:33:00 -
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I would vastly prefer the old models.
Black ferox simply looks massive, absolution in red/gold looks awesome, Eos misses her moving parts but still looks good and Sleip looks very aggressive and always reminds me about my first Cyclone etc. I like all the old hulls like they are(still would prefer moving parts on the Eos again). Improve discharge rigging: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246166&find=unread
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Jerick Ludhowe
Error-404
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:42:00 -
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The Djego wrote:I would vastly prefer the old models.
Black ferox simply looks massive, absolution in red/gold looks awesome, Eos misses her moving parts but still looks good and Sleip looks very aggressive and always reminds me about my first Cyclone etc. I like all the old hulls like they are(still would prefer moving parts on the Eos again).
Going to generally agree with you however I'd like see the EOS model swapped to the myrmidon. Gallente did get another Brutix hull so it only seems fair.I also would like to see minor/moderate variations in all t2 hulls. This would be something as simple as the moving parts on the eos ect.
Some variation in models to differentiate them from other ships with like hulls is imo, mandatory at this point.
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Leskit
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:09:00 -
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As much as I want the teir 2 bc's to have a tech 2 version, I don't think porting a command ship over to the hull is the right way to do it...granted they didn't exist when CS's were introduced.
It also makes more sense to keep the hull bonuses in line e.g. resistance bonus on the prophecy hull, not harbiger. I think i'd rather see a new line of CS's on the tier 2 hulls that is either really specialized, or given something to make them different, but neither superior nor inferior to current CS's. Above all, CS's need their pass at nerfac...er...tieric...balance/whatever to even them out. Some really rock, some don't. |
Ersahi Kir
Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance
186
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:25:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:That would (potentially) mean:
Eos would use the Myrm hull Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull Abso would use the Harb hull Nighthawk would use the Drake hull The English language lacks the adjectives to properly describe how much I approve of this idea. |
Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:58:00 -
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Could there be some other uses to the "less iconic" hulls like the myrm? Logistic- or E-War-BC perhaps?
Would not make change allergics feel queery and bring in the proposed hulls.
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Mole Guy
Xoth Inc Unclaimed.
156
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:39:00 -
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a red and gold harby=drool
i have all 8 command ships. it wouldnt bother me what u did as long as they were bumped up as u guys said.
i would support a laser chicken, but with the patch change, isnt the chicken a drone/ham boat? so to me, a ham chicken and a laser harby would follow through with the changes nicely.
now, the brutix is so over used it wouldnt phase me to the myrm the drone boat and use a thorax for the astarte. its just that over used.
the drake? yeah that SCREAMS nighthawk.
but the cane...the cane screams mwd and autocannons. what better ship for that but the sleipnir? now, a missile spewing cane as mentioned might be interesting, but if one applies their brain, the only logical conclusion without personal bias would be a cane filling the role of the sleipnir.
color schemes? a red and black harby?=drool. (did i mention that?)
the nighthawk color scheme needs ALOT of work. its bland.
the cane? hmmm...open for suggestions.
the thorax/astarte would just use the same astarte colors. (iknow we cant use the thorax, i just wanted to make a point about the brutix hull. when someone says "here comes a gallente ship, we all ask what brutix variarion?) |
0racle
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.06.12 23:09:00 -
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Meh, I retract my previous want. Assault ships have always pulled it off with one model. So have command ships. So have interceptors. They're just too memorable to start ******* around with. I have an idea though, bring us a BC sized HAC. |
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