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Dalekplunger Slick
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:53:00 -
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Players would be limited to 200 items and 10 ships with a single-station limit of 3 ships and 50 items.
PvP would become completely consensual. Players who didn't want to engage in PvP would turn off their flag and fly around in 0.0, unattackable.
Ships and items would "degrade" over time - eventually becoming unusable and forcing their replacement. To "balance" this, ships could never really be destroyed unless it's by degradation. They are just "defeated" and returned to the hangar with a little more wear and tear.
Strict price controls would be put into place. A player could sell Tritanium for 1.50 to 1.70, but that's it. There would be an NPC merchant in every station who would buy any quantity for the low price and sell an infinite amount for the high price.
EVE-radio would be given a cease-and-desist order for using the EVE name and commenting on EVE events. The EVE-radio corporation would be disbanded in game and all characters with the letters "DJ" in their names would be forced to remove them.
An "auto-shuttle" service would be put into place between every station. Select a destination, pay an amount calculated based on range, and you are instantly teleported to the solar system of your choice.
The forums would require an account to view and all threads where were critical of aspects of the game or SOE would be locked.
The game would be split into European, American east coast, and American west coast shards. To make this possible, the least-populated 50% of all EVE solar systems would be removed from the game.
Skill training becomes race specific, (only Caldari can learn missiles, only Amaar can learn beam weapons, etc), and class specific, (only the "fighter" class can learn gunnery, only the "miner" class can learn mining). The time to train skills is cut in half, but it is made so skills only train while you are logged in. If you are inactive for more than 30 minutes, you are logged out.
Completely separate from skills, the idea of "level" is implemented. Levels are earned over time by gaining experience points. A level will determine what kind of ships and equipment you can use. For example, only a level 20 Caldari fighter can fly a Raven. Experience is gained by killing rats and mining.
The universe is "flattened." Ships, planets, asteroid belts, gates, and stations all rest on the same 2D plane. Motion is restricted to 2-axles. The empty space between bodies in a solar system removed, making it so ships can only fly to places of interest. All bookmarks everywhere are removed and warp goes directly to your target.
Manufacturing now consists of placing a set of ingredients on top of a blueprint and getting a chance to succeed at making various quality items. You have to be online, in a station, and clicking-and-dragging to make items. Factories are removed from the game.
Researching blueprints now consists of placing a set of test-tubes with the right chemicals on top of a blueprint and getting a chance to succeed in improving the blueprint. Laboratories are removed from the game.
Tracking speed, optimal range, and falloff range are removed from all weapons. Instead, Attack Strength + Random d100 roll - Defense Strength determines how much damage you do, if any.
A minimum of 10 characters are required to start a corporation - and they must all be on-line and in the same station to try it.
A $29.99 expansion pack would be released every year - allowing access to overpowering new ships, better loot missions, and new 1.0 solar systems with amazingly rich asteroid fields. Any attempt by a non-expansion pack owner to access expansion-pack content results in the in-game browser popping open and being directed to SOE to order the expansion pack.
Nothing can be dropped or deployed into the game world. All anchored cans explode and no jet cans are allowed. Loot is teleported directly into your cargo hold. All POSs become accessible via shuttles from a "POS Hub" station. |
Dalekplunger Slick
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:54:00 -
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It's a scary world, huh? I had a nightmare about it last night. I was around for the SOE MxO takeover and it was nasty. |
Espen
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:57:00 -
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Omg.. CCP never sell EVE. >.<
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.11.07 22:59:00 -
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Please make it stop.... I played some SOE and it's all true.
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Brolly
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:03:00 -
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And that's why I love eve 
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Chrisbitz
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:03:00 -
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what/who is SOE?
Sorry, I just had to ask... :-)
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Chrisbitz
what/who is SOE?
Sorry, I just had to ask... :-)
Sony Online Entertainment
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:06:00 -
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The man speaks truth.
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Proud member of the [23].
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:21:00 -
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Shouldn't the expansion packs be released every 4-6 months?
Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
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Idara
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:35:00 -
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A dying game
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Lance Corporal
BSC Military
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:36:00 -
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You forgot the fast food ordering and sanctioned "ph47 l3w7z" sale............
http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |
HybridMiner
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:38:00 -
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The billboards would have real life adverts in them.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:38:00 -
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Then noone would play it, whats your point? and whos soe?
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Marie O'Malley
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:43:00 -
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This thread scares me.
Badly.
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Krychton
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:51:00 -
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Yeah, scares me aswell. SOE would ruin this game. *shivers*
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.11.07 23:59:00 -
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To sum it up that's errrm, Blasphemy!
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ToX1c Revamp
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:08:00 -
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that is frighteningly believable.. poor SWG
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Montero
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:10:00 -
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everyone should be made to read this before they post. would probably be alot less threads whining on these boards 
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:10:00 -
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You forgot a couple:
1) Officer spawns would still drop nothing but civilian shield boosters, even after being live for what? A year?
2) It would take 72 people to kill an officer, and he would still only drop 3 items, all of which are NO DROP (excuse me...NO TRADE), and everyone present has one.
3) 2 years after the game goes live, they suddenly add a level 6 to all of your skills, but still make you train for it.
4) Every expansion (which come once every 4 months, whether they are finished or not) makes everything you earned in the last expansion completely useless.
5) They introduce a BRAND NEW death system 6 years into the game, which of course is only available to people who buy the expansion it came in. Everyone else is outta luck.
6) Some retard script kiddie uses his leet h4x to go directly to the spawn point of that Domination spawn. You petition him, only to find out his dad works for Sony and YOU get banned.
God, I could go on and on.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Dalekplunger Slick
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Montero
everyone should be made to read this before they post. would probably be alot less threads whining on these boards
That's my secret motive.. shhhhh 
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:20:00 -
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Every system would turn into 1.0, and you would get a jove character slot if you train 5 random skills to max...
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Caanan
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:24:00 -
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SOE are the people behind Star Wars Galaxies, Everquest trilogy, Planetside, all those games. They are a horrible company that tries to cater to everyone so they can make as much money as possible. The dev teams that work on their games are VERY lazy, Planetside is an example of this.
Planetside isn't so bad its fun time to time, but the devs really did not spend enough time on it.
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Skurlan
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:26:00 -
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The response to all bugs would be "working as intended"
There would be an ingame tab to order pizza.
To build a ship you would first have to construct the tools that would be used to build the machinery that would be used to build parts for the ship building construct where the actual ship design would be made and then you could make your ship but you would have a 90 percent chance of failure on every aspect of the build from beginning to end.
Asteroids would now have a 70% chance to explode and kill you while collecting materials
All agents would send you to the farthest reaches of space to just get to another agent to confirm that yes you can have a mission but you need to go to the other side of eve space to get the actual mission.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Skurlan
To build a ship you would first have to construct the tools that would be used to build the machinery that would be used to build parts for the ship building construct where the actual ship design would be made and then you could make your ship but you would have a 90 percent chance of failure on every aspect of the build from beginning to end.
You were either a grandmaster tailor or blacksmith. Shadowscream armor farming FTW!
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
Skurlan
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion
Originally by: Skurlan
To build a ship you would first have to construct the tools that would be used to build the machinery that would be used to build parts for the ship building construct where the actual ship design would be made and then you could make your ship but you would have a 90 percent chance of failure on every aspect of the build from beginning to end.
You were either a grandmaster tailor or blacksmith. Shadowscream armor farming FTW!
Tailor and Brewing I never made the last 3 points for baking, I finally gave up over that.
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Aleksey Azameen
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dalekplunger Slick
...very scary stuff...
Yeah, I was there for the MxO take-over too. I simply "forgot" to pay my subscription and was immediately back in Eve.
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Originally by: Gnauton
It was purely accidental. We really don't have a sense of humour at all.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:34:00 -
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Baking? You must have done the Halas meat pies. Don't lie, I know you did...:D
I spent WEEKS camping the bazaar and the vendors in and around Halas for my mammoth meat.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
St Dragon
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:42:00 -
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In soe - eve Gms will suck
Devs will be invisible
Game will be unballenced with each race getting random non logical nerfs
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2005.11.08 00:49:00 -
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It...gives the *****g creeps!
I would arm myself with several kilos of C4 to blow up the server to spare us all the pain if SOE would ever take over EvE. 
I¦m not crazy, i just have another consciousness in my mind! |
Tarack
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Posted - 2005.11.08 02:56:00 -
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EVE 2 would be relesed, All ebayers run to Eve2 to macro cash and general hording, then has to Merge 60% of thier server on eve1, only to find out they just lost 60% of thier cutomers to WoW.
Ok now im going to finish my Caldari Ranger epic 1.0 so i can do 1.5, 2.0 and the future 2.5, just to get my Uber sword of PWNAGE!! Why dont i get a Uber Bow? after all im a Caldari Ranger and .............
/rant off
WTS: 1 Ex-wife, slightly used. Fully equiped, includes, My house, my car, my dog and my new ex girlfriend................. |
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.11.08 03:10:00 -
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If Reynir and the others sell it to SOE. I'll be leaving this game.
SoonÖ
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Ashis
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Posted - 2005.11.08 03:20:00 -
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a Angel Ambusher
a Drunk Angel Ambusher
a Sober Angel Ambusher
a Ferocious Angel Ambuser
a Deadly Angel Ambusher
a Arch Angel Legionnaire
a Undead Arch Angel Legionnaire
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.08 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ashis
a Angel Ambusher
a Drunk Angel Ambusher
a Sober Angel Ambusher
a Ferocious Angel Ambuser
a Deadly Angel Ambusher
a Arch Angel Legionnaire
a Undead Arch Angel Legionnaire
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Proud member of the [23].
Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
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Phant Zon
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Posted - 2005.11.08 03:44:00 -
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And then.... comes...... THE GIANT ROBOTS RAWRRRR.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.08 04:11:00 -
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LOL dun 4git al da kidz dat WULD JOIN DA GAME AND T4LK L1K THIZ LOLOLWTF!
I don't think a ****load of money is CCP's goal, or they'd have sold out and made some carebear friendly game like World of Wardencraft.
Also, if SOE owned EVE, you'd hit f10, picka system, then right click and select 'go here'. Then you'd teleport to that system instantly. Also, you would retain your implants when podded, assuming you could afford the basic 1k sps clone that cost 2.5trillion isk.
Your Civilian Gatling Railgun perfectly strikes Choke Slam [CAIN], wrecking for 6.0 damage. |
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.11.08 04:48:00 -
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Meb screams that type of scream you read about in books that authors find very hard to describe but falls around the blood-curdling and/or abject horror borders.
Seriously though. Scary like hell and kudos on the funny topic.
Funny being that it will never happen... OR WILL IT?
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.11.08 05:06:00 -
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What is scary is, I used to play SWG, and it's all true 
Anyone remember combat buffs, 90% resist armor, uber scythes of doom, and mind fire DoT polearms? Man...that was retarded.
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Unknown Subject
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Posted - 2005.11.08 06:22:00 -
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the same SWG with its own built in macro maker? select target, shoot, wait 20 seconds, goto line 1. stick a matchstick in the keyboard so you spin in circles in a field full of easy mobs and go watch a couple of movies. you come back with a boat load of xp for doing nothing. good thinking SOE!
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Dianoga Pactor
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Posted - 2005.11.08 08:19:00 -
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Oh the days of SWG, played it for a year, had the triple crown, still sucked, then some noob macros for a day and kicks your arse. Got my force powers went to where ever it was and the guy that gave you the powers said you have to wait or something, after 2 days i quit and never went back.
SOE suck bigger than a big sucky thing on big sucky day in big sucky land.
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2005.11.08 08:36:00 -
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I thought SOE were supposed to be nuns.
I have 6.2 standing with them and they have never declared any intention to take over the universe.
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Uncle Angus
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Posted - 2005.11.08 09:18:00 -
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Well I've never played any multiplayer online games other than EVE, and after reading this thread I'm sure I picked the right one!! Scary... still I guess there's a market for that sort of game, not everyone's as intelligent as us lot.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.11.08 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 08/11/2005 09:38:21
I cancelled my SWG subscription back in February of this year, and I'd been playing since one month after release. In my noobishness (SWG was my first MMORPG), I failed to realize that waiting for SOE to fix what was wrong with the game was a lost cause (I also failed to realize that SOE inevitably just makes things worse, not better), and spent many months with my SWG subscription still active while I played EVE.
Anyway, all ramblings aside, all of the derogatory things that have been mentioned in this thread in regards to SOE are true, in my experience. I'm extremely glad that CCP seems to care more about producing a quality product than lining their pockets.
-Wrayeth
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.11.08 09:49:00 -
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I think I now need Kieron to come in here and tell me 'Eve will never be sold to SoE as long as I'm alive and holding this shotgun'.
-omg-
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
I think I now need Kieron to come in here and tell me 'Eve will never be sold to SoE as long as I'm alive and holding this shotgun'.
/signed
-Wrayeth
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Ander
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:17:00 -
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Im too hungry atm to seriously comment on this thread. SOE is just bad, ok?
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Crimson Smith
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
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I don't think a ****load of money is CCP's goal, or they'd have sold out and made some carebear friendly game like World of Wardencraft.
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Oh I think it is- just on their OWN terms, doing a game they love.
err- you DO love the game, right? Guys? Oveur? Keiron? Guys?
OMG- they haven't posted in the thread- THEY'RE GONNA SELL TO SOE!!! 
Gin is my co-pilot.
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Kilosher Silgen
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:27:00 -
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With SWG, I really hated the fact you had to find someone to train in order to advance your skills beyond a certain point. And those damn butterflies/frogs/weevils. Come on, at least Eve's basic cannon-fodder don't sound so feeble even if they are!
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:35:00 -
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Eve rocks !
I have spoken 
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SkyGlider
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:49:00 -
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Quote:
The game would be split into European, American east coast, and American west coast shards. To make this possible, the least-populated 50% of all EVE solar systems would be removed from the game.
Actually that would happen if they sold it to Blizzard.
But then we'd lose all nice grafics as well, instead replacing the ships with nice, cuddly little blobs floating through space.
Oh yeah, they'd remove 80% of 0.0 space, as there should be no high end content. Why make something for the players if they play anyway ...
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:49:00 -
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How about if EA ever got their hands on Eve 
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.08 10:54:00 -
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if EA got their hands on EVE well it would be turned into a soccer sim called eve-o-soccer-rama or turned into a useless space management sim
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Ubek
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Posted - 2005.11.08 14:49:00 -
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Sony taking over eve, please dont even joke about such a thing. just the thought of it is like the thought of being kicked in the .........
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Toqua
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Posted - 2005.11.08 14:59:00 -
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Never believed that I can get a nightmare during day... Especially after that EA comment...
(ex-EnB)
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.08 15:06:00 -
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If CCP sold out to Sony, I'd cancel my account on the spot, and that's no idle threat. I've been down that road before, and don't care to return.
CCP has it's problems, but compared to Sony, this is paradise.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.11.08 15:17:00 -
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2 companies to avoid like the plague:
SOE and EA.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.11.08 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 08/11/2005 15:18:49
i got way better support from GM's on planetside than i have EVER got on eve.
granted i was having to speak to them alot.
1000X more often than i do with Gm's here.
Please resize your signature image, the filesize limit is 24,000 bytes - Imaran
Awww look the mod's made me a personalised sig,they must like me more than all of u.
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Reevus
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Posted - 2005.11.08 15:20:00 -
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As a former EQer, I thought I was having a nightmare, then I woke up, thank god. EVE 4 Evah!
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Virida
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Posted - 2005.11.08 15:24:00 -
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SOE would probably cancel the drone changes, and introduce tier 3 drones with small neon colored skirts who do melee damage in an physical space, requiring heavy physics.
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Oisin
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Posted - 2005.11.08 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion
If CCP sold out to Sony, I'd cancel my account on the spot, and that's no idle threat. I've been down that road before, and don't care to return.
ISTR a pop star who was dropped by Sony, signed to another label, which was then bought by Sony, then they dropped him again...
Originally by: LeMonde
I also wouldn't recommend using a shuttle for any of those complexes, as you will find yourself outgunned.
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Kerdrak
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Posted - 2005.11.08 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/11/2005 15:47:41
Mmmm, SOE or NCSoft? imagine EVE like Lineage 2... extremely unbalanced PVP, spending around 3 years to build a Battleship, being bad (pirating) punished, magic hangars...
I dont know what is worst...
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Pilgrimage2Eden
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Posted - 2005.11.08 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Pilgrimage2Eden on 08/11/2005 16:20:40
Edited by: Pilgrimage2Eden on 08/11/2005 16:20:22
dammit alt
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Nekuva
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Posted - 2005.11.08 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
I think I now need Kieron to come in here and tell me 'Eve will never be sold to SoE as long as I'm alive and holding this shotgun'.
Oh sweet plasma, PLEASE DO IT. I played Everquest 1 for close to three years and it's all true. I NEED REASSURANCEE!!!
/me runs and cries
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.08 16:27:00 -
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I don't think they can really give us that assurance. You see, when a Sony representative walks into your office and gives you what amounts to a really, REALLY big bag of money, it's hard to say no.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see EVE in the hands of those butchers at SOE any more than anyone else, but CCP is a business. I'm sure if the price were right, they wouldn't hesitate to sell, especially if CCP is publically traded (and I don't know that it is).
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.11.08 16:35:00 -
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I would insta cancel my subscription.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Kurren
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Posted - 2005.11.08 16:38:00 -
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People from WoW would still b!tch about how hard the game was!
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I'm not a pirate, I'm a business-extremist... |
Hanns
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Posted - 2005.11.08 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dalekplunger Slick
Loot is teleported directly into your cargo hold.
Now this bit i like, slowboating to cans 30km away in a BS suxorz
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.08 16:56:00 -
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/sticks a torp launcher in his mouth to make SOE go away
/thinks better of it. i don't want the last thing i hear to be that annoying launcher sound.
/sticks 150mmII rail in his mouth to make SOE go away. bye!
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Eddie
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Posted - 2005.11.08 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie on 08/11/2005 17:12:03
Originally by: vecdran
What is scary is, I used to play SWG, and it's all true
Anyone remember combat buffs, 90% resist armor, uber scythes of doom, and mind fire DoT polearms? Man...that was retarded.
I kinda liked my mind fire pike didnt use any armor tho
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Magnum III
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Posted - 2005.11.08 17:19:00 -
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Word...
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.11.08 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kerdrak
Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/11/2005 15:47:41
Mmmm, SOE or NCSoft? imagine EVE like Lineage 2... extremely unbalanced PVP, spending around 3 years to build a Battleship, being bad (pirating) punished, magic hangars...
I dont know what is worst...
lol... it would require 100 npc kills to get a skill from level 1 to 2. This number quadruples for each successive level.
Stations can be conquered every 2 weeks during a specific 2 hour period only.
Mineral costs and build times for everything are multiplied by 10.
You can't change what skill you're learning until you go on a skill-change quest, which involves about 8 hours of travel and 3 hours of npc killing.
PvP involves standing around with your enemies and waiting for someone to strike, and become pvp flagged.
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Shadrin
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Posted - 2005.11.08 17:34:00 -
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Wow, you just made every "problem" see okay! :)
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Shadrin
Gemini Investment and Trading Company
Making your money work for you.
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Denzar Matgul
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Posted - 2005.11.08 17:41:00 -
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I would rather eat my own feet than face this prospect.
/emote begins legal proceedings against the op for emotional distress caused at this thought
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Sulek
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Posted - 2005.11.08 17:51:00 -
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I have an even worse one...
What if EA was running Eve? :|
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is the slogan of the complacent, the arrogant or the scared. It's an excuse for inaction."
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.11.08 18:01:00 -
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What if this is an experiment!
What if we are actually playing in SOE and they have not changed the game yet to what "EVE " will really be.
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Does it matter why, its when is more crucial!
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Tal Oman
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Posted - 2005.11.08 18:31:00 -
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You would hear no talk of server upgrades nor optimizations. It would be the total elimination of several skils and shiptypes as the plan to reduce lag. Of course, the lag would not be fixed, yet they would still keep the changes.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.08 18:38:00 -
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Oh, and they would pull half the hardware, yet still increase subscription rates "to pay for increased maintainance".
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
-Freidrich Nietzche |
ormondroid
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Posted - 2005.11.08 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: ormondroid on 08/11/2005 18:42:18
Just thought I'd mention that as well as SOE & EA, UbiSoft are t3h sux0r also
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.11.08 18:45:00 -
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General Letter from SOE to EVE players:
"Dear players, to improve efficiency we will be sharding the server as follows:
All Calderi players will now be on Merchant Server
All Amarr players will be on the Cathedral Server
All Minmatar players will be on the Rebel Server
All Gallente players will be on Hedonist Server
We understand some of you will be very upset by these changes, especially those of you engaged in Minmatar/Amarr and Gallente/Calderi warfare, however this is really for the best. There will still be some nice npc's for you to shoot.
Furthermore, its come to our attention that there is large amounts of griefing occuring in the area known as "zero-zero". We believe that such unwarranted combat is not in the spirit of fun we hope to instill in this game. Therefore, the following "zero-zero" regions will be off-limits to pvp combat: any ships lost in Pure Blind, Stain, Syndicate, Curse, Catch and Providence may be petitioned and the attackers will be suspended.
We hope such fair and reasonable boundaries will ensure that all of our players will have as much fun as possible in this great little world. That's we're dividing into four ever greater, littler worlds.
Yours,
President SOE
PS: Every other great idea in this thread? Yeah, we're stealing 'em."
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I generally assume the following:
1. 95% of Empire Carebears don't get 0.0 PVPers.
2. 95% of 0.0 PVPers don't get Empire Carebears.
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Decaying Rose
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Posted - 2005.11.08 19:25:00 -
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Having played Planetside for a good while before coming here.... dear God, no, please not ever.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.08 19:25:00 -
[80]
An Eve on SOE would be a lot like Earth and Beyond and we all know where that game went.
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Elita
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Posted - 2005.11.08 20:30:00 -
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You forgot...
Each update would install a new version of a rootkit that would tell SOE how many CDs you have ripped, what e-books you have, whether you have a P2P file-sharing app or a video capture device...
...and of course if you play WoW, the SOE rootkit would try to pwn Blizzard.
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2005.11.08 20:41:00 -
[82]
Edited by: BoinKlasik on 08/11/2005 20:41:55
anyone?
:)
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.08 20:43:00 -
[83]
Hey, it could be worse. Square-Enix could buy EVE.
Any company that can ruin Final Fantasy AND Dragon Warrior is some serious competition for SOE for the title of "biggest suck ever".
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.08 20:47:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 08/11/2005 20:50:00
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 08/11/2005 20:47:32
Originally by: Elita
You forgot...
Each update would install a new version of a rootkit that would tell SOE how many CDs you have ripped, what e-books you have, whether you have a P2P file-sharing app or a video capture device...
...and of course if you play WoW, the SOE rootkit would try to pwn Blizzard.
If anybody is wondering, Sony has been caught red handed putting viruses on peoples machines. Maybe Congress should stop focusing on just giving the companies rights and tell them to also stop ******* spying on everyone like they are some kind of Vigilanty army.
Sony Smells
Basically, I use iTunes and Netflix hence why should my 'phone lines be tapped' with no proof I am stealing espically since they are not the ******* police. Not to mention, how many mysterious blue screens is this responiable for?
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mimik
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Posted - 2005.11.08 20:51:00 -
[85]
Originally by: HippoKing
/sticks a torp launcher in his mouth to make SOE go away
/thinks better of it. i don't want the last thing i hear to be that annoying launcher sound.
/sticks 150mmII rail in his mouth to make SOE go away. bye!
hippo - would the explosion radius of a torp catch up with the speed that thing goes
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Nac MacFeegle
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Posted - 2005.11.08 22:01:00 -
[86]
Hrm... what would Planetside be like if it were taken over/remade by CCP?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.08 22:03:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 08/11/2005 20:50:00
Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 08/11/2005 20:47:32
Originally by: Elita
You forgot...
Each update would install a new version of a rootkit that would tell SOE how many CDs you have ripped, what e-books you have, whether you have a P2P file-sharing app or a video capture device...
...and of course if you play WoW, the SOE rootkit would try to pwn Blizzard.
If anybody is wondering, Sony has been caught red handed putting viruses on peoples machines. Maybe Congress should stop focusing on just giving the companies rights and tell them to also stop ******* spying on everyone like they are some kind of Vigilanty army.
Sony Smells
Basically, I use iTunes and Netflix hence why should my 'phone lines be tapped' with no proof I am stealing espically since they are not the ******* police. Not to mention, how many mysterious blue screens is this responiable for?
The funny thing is their own rootkit can be used to circumvent their own copy protection schemes. It can also be used to beat WoW's Warden.
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Proud member of the [23].
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Malarac
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Posted - 2005.11.08 22:20:00 -
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I played Star Wars Galaxies for nearly 2 years, its sad to say, but everything the OP stated would be true. One thing he should have added, that happened recently with SWG should be: Release an expansion, then the next day make an announcement that the way we have combat is completely changed, and have reduced the professions to 2, making it to where console gamers can play, when the game will be available to them within the coming months.
SOE is going to be famous for this bait and switch tactic that they used to sucker people into buying the game. For them to have a new "enhanced" combat upgrade took anywhere from 6 months to a year to achieve, without one word to its customers until 1 day after the expansion was released. I will never go back to SOE ever again after this incident. I feel scammed!!!!
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.11.08 22:27:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
Hrm... what would Planetside be like if it were taken over/remade by CCP?
It would probably scare away anyone who hasn't played quake 1 at it's release.
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Hehulk
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Posted - 2005.11.08 22:33:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
Hrm... what would Planetside be like if it were taken over/remade by CCP?
The word Decent comes to mind.
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Zy'or Tealon
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Posted - 2005.11.08 22:40:00 -
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Don't forget. They'd insert a DRM Rootkit in each patch.
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Troubadour
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:00:00 -
[92]
this is why i dislike Everquest2. sitting there for hours mindlessly making components for some dumb piece of armor.
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Decairn
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:03:00 -
[93]
If SOE took over all the devs with the vision would be gone within a year and then it'd be fall into maintenance cash-grab mode.
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Avowech
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:06:00 -
[94]
Plz don't say stuff like that I just got away from them
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Zenst
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:06:00 -
[95]
Sony buys eve I leave, no rootkits for me thank you very much.
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Felaste D'Lucare
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:12:00 -
[96]
Agree
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Guntaro
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:23:00 -
[97]
If SOE took over there would be a 18 hour wait before you could log in on your main after logging in as an alt.
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Mozach
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:26:00 -
[98]
As someone mentioned; what if EA took over Eve?
We would see super ³ber kit, that would only be available for a short amount of time, to purchase for real cash. After the time ran out, the kit would be re-launched at a new sales pitch, or given out for free as a reward for having played long enough.
Everything would be neon-colored.
Every system would have a mirror system.
There would be bugs that were so old, they-ve turned into features. (UO being older than anything else, has the longest standing bugs known to MMOGS, short spear graphics, anyone?)
Every so often, new expansions would launch in a heat-and-rush, with minimum testing, no attention to what minimum test results were actually achieved, and completely disregarding any thought of how said exapansion might influence existing systems.
Expansions would also always introduce something that was completely out of sync with the rest of the setting. Including the other out-of-sync themes introduced in previous patches. An example would be; the water-world of Eve, a region where your ship turned into submarines, exploring an underwater settings, full of strange beasts, super sharks and such.
Oh, did I mention? everything would be neon-colored.
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Skurlan
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:31:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Hey, it could be worse. Square-Enix could buy EVE.
Any company that can ruin Final Fantasy AND Dragon Warrior is some serious competition for SOE for the title of "biggest suck ever".
Space Chocobos
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Nac MacFeegle
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:36:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Skurlan
Space Chocobos
That's the Caldari tier-three battleship, isn't it?
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Saul Dhampir
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Posted - 2005.11.08 23:48:00 -
[101]
Ouch, dont want to think about it. I still play SWG too, and only because of the other players I play it with.
Seriously, whenever I hear people *****in about CCP I have to laugh... until you experiance SOE you have no idea how damn good CCP are.
Now hear is a better thought...
What if CCP did SWG?
Saul
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:03:00 -
[102]
Honestly, I look back at SWG and I see one of the most betrayed mmo's ever. SWG had the potential to be one of the best MMORPG's of all time, and the devs ignored all that potential to pander to SOE money grabbers and a community that had no idea how to actually balance an mmo.
I sure am glad that CCP doesn't give into the community when it comes to what to change in the game, else this game would be lopsided beyond all reason, like SWG.
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Kim Chee
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:27:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Skurlan
Asteroids would now have a 70% chance to explode and kill you while collecting materials
Sorry to see other victims of the EQ2 crafting system. Although, strangely enough, it was the one part of that game I rather enjoyed...
In order to sell any products (crafted or found) to other players, you must dock your ship in your home station and remain online with the market screen open. You may use the in-game browser, but if you close the market, your goods will no longer be posted for sale.
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Nina Kinshaw
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:33:00 -
[104]
Derek Smart anyone?
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Ladeda
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:38:00 -
[105]
I was once an everquest player... and loved my lil cleric... SOE destroyed the game and ruined the playing fun. Hate to say it but I walked away from everquest and my lil cleric. I will not again play a game controled by SOE
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Zuel Ami
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:44:00 -
[106]
1st Post.
I just got here as a refugee from SWG. If you do not know, they totally changed the game from a MMORPG into a MMOFPS. They are porting it to consoles (ps3, xbox360) and dumbed it down to the point of being meaningless.
A few friends like this game pretty well. Gonna give it a whirl and see how it goes.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:45:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/11/2005 00:45:05
Originally by: Zuel Ami
1st Post.
I just got here as a refugee from SWG. If you do not know, they totally changed the game from a MMORPG into a MMOFPS.
There are about 3 threads around the forums, including this, related to that.
We know. If it was bad before, its going to be absolutely miserable now. And knowing SOE, it can only get worse.
Welcome to EVE... I expect we will have a lot of refugees soon
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Proud member of the [23].
Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
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Strongbow d'Arrow
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:50:00 -
[108]
Let the floodgates open. I fled from that evil empire about 3 months ago and discovered Eve about 2-1/2 months ago.
SOE has completely ruined SWG. EVE has my full attention now...though I might get distracted by Star Trek Online when it comes out in '06
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MOZxMOZ
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:54:00 -
[109]
omg...please don't say things such as this. I am a SWG refugee and came running to EVE after SOE/LA did their end-around on SWG. For everyone who plays EVE I hope for your sake SOE stays very far away.
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Grimjakk
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:58:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Caanan
SOE are the people behind Star Wars Galaxies, Everquest trilogy, Planetside, all those games. They are a horrible company that tries to cater to everyone so they can make as much money as possible. The dev teams that work on their games are VERY lazy, Planetside is an example of this.
Planetside isn't so bad its fun time to time, but the devs really did not spend enough time on it.
Nah, that's just over the top. The devs work hard... but the executives all went to the same business schoold Dilbert's pointy haired boss did...
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FumerTue
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Posted - 2005.11.09 00:59:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 08/11/2005 09:38:21
I cancelled my SWG subscription back in February of this year, and I'd been playing since one month after release. In my noobishness (SWG was my first MMORPG), I failed to realize that waiting for SOE to fix what was wrong with the game was a lost cause (I also failed to realize that SOE inevitably just makes things worse, not better), and spent many months with my SWG subscription still active while I played EVE.
Anyway, all ramblings aside, all of the derogatory things that have been mentioned in this thread in regards to SOE are true, in my experience. I'm extremely glad that CCP seems to care more about producing a quality product than lining their pockets.
exactly what he said! all of it ....uh huh ..all of it! , but ... i had 5 accounts with SOE WHY!! WHY!! did it take me sooooooo long /sob
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:01:00 -
[112]
You would have to grind 10/10 Deadspace complexes called Black Wing Lair and Molten Core to get your single uber 2% drop chance 425mm II (which you would need 8 of them to complete the set for useless bonuses).
If that isnt bad enough, each PvP kill you net would give you "honor". At the end of the week, the entire honor pool is added up, and your score is compared to the relative percentage of the entire honor pool. If you have the top 10 highest percentage, you advance slowly up the rank ladder, of which they are 14. After Rank 6, you must be top 6. After rank 10, you must be 5th or better to advance. After rank 12, you must be 4th or better standing to advance. At 13, the only way you can get the godlike rank of 14 is to be the person with the most time on their hands, and go grind an enclosed PvP arena for the next 2 months straight with 14 hours a day sessions.
...I regret spending my time like that to get rank 12 marshal.
/me cries softly
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Anikadir
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:02:00 -
[113]
Eve is like heaven on a stick compared to what they managed to turn SWG into. There is not one comparison you can make between the two games that comes out in favour of SWG and SOE.
Even the current node problem that CCP are having is a once in a blue-moon occurance. In SWG it's an almost hourly event - with no notice from the devs as to whats happening, or that anyone at SOE are even aware of there being an issue.
I can remember the Valcyn server being down for hours one night and the CSRs were saying "all the servers are up, there is no problem" - even though the chat was full of Valcynites complaining that it had not come up after the restart!! Turns out they had forgotten to bring that server up - I mean...how can you forget to bring a MMO server up!!
They used to temp-ban players when too many people gathered in one location on a server because it would crash the thing!!!. They then issued an edict stating that no more than 20 people could gather in one place owing to the lag it caused - and then to top it off, wanted people to organise events!! It was complete and utter madness most days.
And this isn't even getting into the fact that they have completely re-written the game mechanics at least 4 times since the servers went live - and they still can't get it right. Heck even with the new CU2 there are still bugs ingame that have been there since the servers went live over 2 and half years ago!!!
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:19:00 -
[114]
I didn't read most of the posts, but coming from both PlanetSide AND SWG, I can say this:
If Eve become SOE's, it would be dead.
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2005.11.09 01:23:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Nina Kinshaw
Derek Smart anyone?
Imagine that man taking over EVE *shudder*
He'd have the best of intentions I'm sure...but you'd need to do a degree course to be able to play EVE if that was the case
(Battlecruiser Millenium reference for the uninformed)
Loyalty, Integrity, Honour. |
Delente
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Posted - 2005.11.09 02:02:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Delente on 09/11/2005 02:03:32
don't forget
-all agent mission rewards will be reduced to 1k isk max due to "balancing the economy"
-implants would require a special surgeon that would require you to do redundant missions for 4 weeks to get a 10.0 standing before you can talk to them to do the mission to get it installed
-Implants would have a chance of exploding killing you when installing
-A free galaxy wide search would be implimented for people and sale items
-when purchasing anything the item would go to the station of your choice
-character creation would change to 5 preset template face shapes
-mining would be changed to killing rats in asteroid belts that drop ore 30% of the time 80% of the ore drops would be veldespar
-you would have to constantly buy fuel for your ship keeping 10% or more of your cargo hold designated for fuel
-"Cargo containers of holding"---infinate volume cargo containers that take 6 moths to get 1 in which the next expansion gives one free to buyers of said expansion
Enough for now... I'll never again play Evercrank and its expansion Ruins of my Life
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VeNT
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Posted - 2005.11.09 02:08:00 -
[117]
tbh SOE would never BUY eve,
its too good a game.
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2005.11.09 02:51:00 -
[118]
I'm not sure where the notion of EVE being sold comes from, but from a business and financial standpoint it might be a pretty good time for CCP to put the asset into play. The game has produced impressive growth numbers in subscribership and cash flow. Marketing the game while still in a steep growth trend may help to maximize the return on investment. In marketing the game, I would play down server, database, network facility and other tehcnical constraints and issues as overcomeable challenges, and I would play up huge future growth potential driven by anticipated growth in the overall MMOG market, strong potential for increased penetration into that market, currently untapped markets, substantial anticipated future new game content, etc. If it were me, I wouldn't flip the thing for anything less than 15 times anticipated 2006 EBITDA.
But to reply to the original post, regardless of who owns it, if the game were to follow the described path, I would cancel my six accounts immediately.
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Talion Shar
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Posted - 2005.11.09 04:27:00 -
[119]
hrhr ppl it could be more worse if:
REAKKTOR would buy EvE!
Ever played Neocron2?
Great game... but if EvE would be Neocron2 ... there would be:
* Lot of Hacks with that you can shoot ppl from AUs away even if they are hiding behind a droid or are cloacked
* For researching bpo you need Research Gel and a lot of time and some datacubes.
* For building you need a lot of that bp cubes, Construction Lube.
* You cant mine Zydrine and Megacyte anymore. That must be recylced through all avaible Minerals into one.
* If there are more then 30 ppl in one system the system there will be nice lag... if the 31st is coming in.. server will crash.
* There are no jump scenes anymore... you will get a sync and if you are unlucky ... you will stuck in and cant move... but the enemie can shoot you.
* Ever had a Fatal Error every 30min cause your memory is too full?
Btw: Neocron2 would be a nice game but Reakktor broke it ... same goes now for SOE.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.11.09 04:59:00 -
[120]
Wow...more ex-SWG people playing EVE than I thought. Anyone else a refugee from the Shadowfire server?
-Wrayeth
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Telurien
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Posted - 2005.11.09 05:12:00 -
[121]
I'll just say this: everything I ever hated about MMORPGs was present in Everquest and is not in Eve . . . especially the stupid kids talking with their 7's and 3's and x's and all that. I definitely got the shivers reading this thread . . .
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Chungito
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Posted - 2005.11.09 06:49:00 -
[122]
Wanderhome refugee here. SOE makes me cry.
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Deep Throat
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Posted - 2005.11.09 06:55:00 -
[123]
ok.
i will never complain about ccp again
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Fuze Tango
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Posted - 2005.11.09 08:11:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Nina Kinshaw
Derek Smart anyone?
Imagine that man taking over EVE *shudder*
Rofl, derek smart!!
Nah, no way he's too busy trying to get the rights to develop Freespace 3
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Mozach
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Posted - 2005.11.09 08:56:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Mozach on 09/11/2005 08:56:33
Originally by: Nina Kinshaw
Derek Smart anyone?
Imagine that man taking over EVE *shudder*
Uhm... who is that guy? 
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Microdot
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Posted - 2005.11.09 10:21:00 -
[126]
Sorry, I haven't been able to read the whole thread... Op made me laugh so much, because it's so true.
If SOE were involved in this game, hah. Anyone want to have a good laugh, go read the star wars galaxies forums. in particular the jedi forums.
SOE are pants.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.11.09 10:30:00 -
[127]
I like planetside... okay its not good for playing solid for months and months but a good fps all the same. u cant compair it to eve thou.
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amarrrrian
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Posted - 2005.11.09 13:12:00 -
[128]
HEY now, SOE did introduced the first 3D MMORPG.
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amarrrrian
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Posted - 2005.11.09 13:14:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Delente
Edited by: Delente on 09/11/2005 02:03:32
don't forget
-all agent mission rewards will be reduced to 1k isk max due to "balancing the economy"
-implants would require a special surgeon that would require you to do redundant missions for 4 weeks to get a 10.0 standing before you can talk to them to do the mission to get it installed
-Implants would have a chance of exploding killing you when installing
-A free galaxy wide search would be implimented for people and sale items
-when purchasing anything the item would go to the station of your choice
-character creation would change to 5 preset template face shapes
-mining would be changed to killing rats in asteroid belts that drop ore 30% of the time 80% of the ore drops would be veldespar
-you would have to constantly buy fuel for your ship keeping 10% or more of your cargo hold designated for fuel
-"Cargo containers of holding"---infinate volume cargo containers that take 6 moths to get 1 in which the next expansion gives one free to buyers of said expansion
Enough for now... I'll never again play Evercrank and its expansion Ruins of my Life
UMMMMM..... YOU GOT SOMETHING WRONG
EVERQUEST 2 have a deeper character customation
than EVE .... I gotta admit ...
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Nessa Culnamo
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Posted - 2005.11.09 13:41:00 -
[130]
EverQuest is a good game, but the way SOE deliver the content is crap, using the site for me was a leason in pain. EVE's website is everything I could want, it's simple to navigate and use.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.09 13:45:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Dalekplunger Slick
It's a scary world, huh? I had a nightmare about it last night. I was around for the SOE MxO takeover and it was nasty.
Well admittedly MxO was horribly designed from the start. TONS of potential, marred by some unbelievably bad design decisions.
And that was BEFORE SoE came in. :)
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:03:00 -
[132]
Originally by: amarrrrian
HEY now, SOE did introduced the first 3D MMORPG.
No they didn't, they bought the company that introduced the first 3D MMORPG (989 Studios) and then proceeded to drive out any of the in-house talent that came along with it, as they ran in terror from "The Vision".
SOE didn't *create* anything. They used Sony's phat pockets and sucked the life out of SOMEONE ELSE's ideas.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:10:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Sc0rpion
Originally by: amarrrrian
HEY now, SOE did introduced the first 3D MMORPG.
No they didn't, they bought the company that introduced the first 3D MMORPG (989 Studios) and then proceeded to drive out any of the in-house talent that came along with it, as they ran in terror from "The Vision".
SOE didn't *create* anything. They used Sony's phat pockets and sucked the life out of SOMEONE ELSE's ideas.
Yet, bojillions of people still play EQ1, and EQ2. And, for some reason, the other games they run which can only be referred to as "trash".
I didn't mind EQ2 that much. It had a bit of FFXI to it at one point where you ground to a halt with levelling, but that's been fixed and the game's actually a hell of a lot more enjoyable now than it was at launch. And it was still pretty fun at launch.
The thing I liked about EQ2 was that it had an almost CCP-esqe eye for detail. Everywhere, everything was meticulously designed and textured. Perhaps a bit too much given it doesn't run worth a damn if you crank the detail settings to their max with the even the best PCs. But you really got the feeling the developers and designers put a lot of themselves into the game. Just like EVE. :P
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Xeovar Stoner
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:19:00 -
[134]
Eclipse refugee here.
Honestly guys, if you havent played SOE game dont. You dont want to know what it is to play a game made by them. I stood by SWG for over 2 years, thru all the worse and worse changes, and it took them one move to completely obliterate SWG and effectively tell 90% of vets - go away your game no longer exists. CCP should be happy with the rapid increase of subscriptions though
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kieron
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:28:00 -
[135]
All I have to say about this is, thankfully, it is something that I don't have to worry about.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Yet, bojillions of people still play EQ1, and EQ2.
But that's just it, there aren't all that many players left (at least in EQ1, I never played EQ2). The numbers are hugely inflated by players with multiple accounts. I still keep in contact with some of my friends from EQ1, and one guy has 7 accounts, another has 5 and another has at least 8 (that I know of, this guy is insane). Thier subscriber base collapsed after the release of WoW and never recovered. Why?
-Bad management
-Stolen game features that don't work right
-Endless grinding
If you were to ask 1000 players of EQ1 why they still play, I'd be very surprised if more than 10 of them said "Because it's a good game". Most would say "Well my friend soandso still plays, so I only log on to talk to him", or "Well I've got 7 years invested in this character".
People stopped playing EQ1 for fun YEARS AGO. In fact, I can pinpoint the exact moment the fun "ended" for me, and that was the day Planes of Power went live. The 60 hour camp fest for my Vex Thal key didn't do it. The endless faction grinding in Velious didn't do it, it was the day they basically re-wrote the roles of every class in the game.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:49:00 -
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If SOE did take it over, they'd fire all the devs and outsource everything to India.
All the ISD people would quit due to the SOE policies. Aurora would be disbanded.
I'd rather take a torpedo up the tail pipe then let SOE buy out CCP.
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Ormen Tuttle
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Posted - 2005.11.09 15:58:00 -
[138]
Yes, their motto says it all--"You're in our world now." They take that literally. They don't seem to understand that after the profit motive their goal should be customer satisfaction, not self satisfaction.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.09 16:01:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Sc0rpion
Originally by: Winterblink
Yet, bojillions of people still play EQ1, and EQ2.
But that's just it, there aren't all that many players left (at least in EQ1, I never played EQ2). The numbers are hugely inflated by players with multiple accounts. I still keep in contact with some of my friends from EQ1, and one guy has 7 accounts, another has 5 and another has at least 8 (that I know of, this guy is insane). Thier subscriber base collapsed after the release of WoW and never recovered. Why?
-Bad management
-Stolen game features that don't work right
-Endless grinding
If you were to ask 1000 players of EQ1 why they still play, I'd be very surprised if more than 10 of them said "Because it's a good game". Most would say "Well my friend soandso still plays, so I only log on to talk to him", or "Well I've got 7 years invested in this character".
People stopped playing EQ1 for fun YEARS AGO. In fact, I can pinpoint the exact moment the fun "ended" for me, and that was the day Planes of Power went live. The 60 hour camp fest for my Vex Thal key didn't do it. The endless faction grinding in Velious didn't do it, it was the day they basically re-wrote the roles of every class in the game.
Funny you should mention endless (dare I add "pointless" to that as well?) grinding, and WoW, in the same post. Was the reason I quit that (well, that and the completely non-engaging gameplay).
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.09 16:51:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Winterblink
Funny you should mention endless (dare I add "pointless" to that as well?) grinding, and WoW, in the same post. Was the reason I quit that (well, that and the completely non-engaging gameplay).
Yeah, I got the same impression. Although, I did like the stylized graphics. It gave me a more imersive feeling than EQ2's "20,000 poly-count to make you believe this dark elf is real" approach.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 18:28:00 -
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"What would EVE be like if SOE took it over?"
Actually I am begining to wish they would.
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.11.09 18:36:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Avon
"What would EVE be like if SOE took it over?"
Actually I am begining to wish they would.
You've been hanging out in that 17-page flamefest from last night too much if you think SOE could do anything but turn EVE into a cookie-cutter PC nightmare of bland, simple and non-offensive gameplay.
CCP is still a step ahead, and SOE couldn't close the gap if they wanted to. Which, as a matter of fact, they don't.
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Posted - 2005.11.09 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
All I have to say about this is, thankfully, it is something that I don't have to worry about.
kieron, have i ever said how much i love you?
well i do 
/hugs
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 18:48:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Siri Danae
Originally by: Avon
"What would EVE be like if SOE took it over?"
Actually I am begining to wish they would.
You've been hanging out in that 17-page flamefest from last night too much if you think SOE could do anything but turn EVE into a cookie-cutter PC nightmare of bland, simple and non-offensive gameplay.
CCP is still a step ahead, and SOE couldn't close the gap if they wanted to. Which, as a matter of fact, they don't.
Don't care, I have now cancelled, so it makes no difference to me.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2005.11.09 18:59:00 -
[145]
EVE Online - Now for XBOX 360, PS3 and TiVOGames!
Once I found out that they ported a 3 year old game to be a console rather than make up a stupided version of it for the controller crowd I cannceled both my accounts and will never go back. I signed up to play a MMORPG, not some dumb console POS.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Don't care, I have now cancelled, so it makes no difference to me.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:29:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Remedial
Originally by: Avon
Don't care, I have now cancelled, so it makes no difference to me.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
First time I have laughed today, good job!
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Don't care, I have now cancelled, so it makes no difference to me.
You stuck up scruffy-looking nerfherder, tell me that was a joke. :)
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Avon
Don't care, I have now cancelled, so it makes no difference to me.
You stuck up scruffy-looking nerfherder, tell me that was a joke. :)
Nope.
The problem might be drink related - ie: I am sober and having to suffer long bursts of reality.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Nope.
The problem might be drink related - ie: I am sober and having to suffer long bursts of reality.
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.09 19:54:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
Well, that blows.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.09 20:06:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
Well, that blows.
It isn't just that WB, but it is the icing on the cake.
CCP have made a lot of descisions recently which seem to be changing Eve for the worse (imho). They just seem to be losing touch with the playerbase.
If they want to increase revenue, cool, all power to them. It is just a shame that they have to compromise so much to get there.
I guess Rebirth was the first of a chain of recent events that got my back up, but it got worse with allowing people to buy ISK (by making selling gametime for isk legal), and then the buddy raffle made that all worse.
In themselves they aren't the end of Eve, but they do seem to indicate that CCP are willing to compromise their own principles.
I guess I just get a general feeling of a disrespect towards the community. The way the SAS/4S situation was handled just solidified my fears.
It might just be me, but who else can guide my choices?
I may be very wrong about the whole thing, and I honestly hope I am, but if I am not willing to stand up for what I think is right, who will?
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.09 20:15:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Avon
if I am not willing to stand up for what I think is right, who will?
Nobody. You have an opinion, and you are voicing it with the only weapon you have - your money.
Will 1 person's cancelled subscription influence a corporation's decisions? Of course not. But those single voices add up. Do what you have to do, and don't let anyone tell you your decision is wrong.
Just don't spend your last day griefing, because then you lose the moral high ground. Sure it might make you feel better...for 5 minutes, but to what end? That's a bridge you shouldn't burn.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Elita
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Posted - 2005.11.09 20:16:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Elita
You forgot...
Each update would install a new version of a rootkit that would tell SOE how many CDs you have ripped, what e-books you have, whether you have a P2P file-sharing app or a video capture device...
...and of course if you play WoW, the SOE rootkit would try to pwn Blizzard.
Follow-up: This just in from a contruibutor to the Tech Support Comedy website:
Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security Office of Cyber Security has informed the major antivirus companies that it has classified Sony's DRMware as a virus. It should be added to the virus definitions of most major antivirus programs at their next update, which, if you use Trend Micro, may have happened already. Full story from the source
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.11.09 20:19:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Elita
Originally by: Elita
You forgot...
Each update would install a new version of a rootkit that would tell SOE how many CDs you have ripped, what e-books you have, whether you have a P2P file-sharing app or a video capture device...
...and of course if you play WoW, the SOE rootkit would try to pwn Blizzard.
Follow-up: This just in from a contruibutor to the Tech Support Comedy website:
Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security Office of Cyber Security has informed the major antivirus companies that it has classified Sony's DRMware as a virus. It should be added to the virus definitions of most major antivirus programs at their next update, which, if you use Trend Micro, may have happened already. Full story from the source
Wow. That's just...wow.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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High Sierra
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Posted - 2005.11.09 20:22:00 -
[157]
/me stands up and raises his right hand
hi, my name is high Sierra and I used to play Dark Age of Camelot until they took the nerf bat to my Armsman main character and made it as effective as an Ibis full of mining lasers in PVP.
Even the NPC's used to laugh at my Armsman after the nerf.
I really enjoyed DAOC too. took one look at SWG and said 'WHAT? I CANT FLY TIE FIGHTERS? AND ITS GOING TO TAKE HOW LONG TO BECOME A JEDI?!?!?! SOD THAT!'
Never got into planetside and by the sound of it I'm glad.
and then one day my mate said to me 'come round and have a look at this game'....................
but its ok, I can give it up anytime I like............. can't I?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.09 20:37:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Avon
Nope.
The problem might be drink related - ie: I am sober and having to suffer long bursts of reality.
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
over the 4s junk?
i kinda understand why people are ****ed off, but i wouldn't see it as reason to quit.
ah well, been nice knowing you.
good luck with the real world
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Tal Oman
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Posted - 2005.11.10 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
All I have to say about this is, thankfully, it is something that I don't have to worry about.
Kieron..
They fired your peer in SWG just a few days ago. They proped her up in front of the big pile of dodo they are trying to feed the community than shot her as a sacrifical lamb to hopefully appease the angry mobs..
If you were to get bought out by SOE...I would advise you to enter the ductwork and begin a rebel insurgency immediatly...
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.11.10 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cerberal on 10/11/2005 23:55:39
Originally by: Nina Kinshaw
Derek Smart anyone?
Imagine that man taking over EVE *shudder*
Edit: To those of you who dont know who he is, he is the creator of the Battlecruiser Series of games, as well as that other game...univeral somethingorother. Basically a geek who made a star trek game of his own, and has a following of fellow star trek geeks whom feel cool that someones shares their interest. If i ever saw him in person id probably want to shoot him.
95% of the eve forum users would be banned or silenced, and only the "Cool" kids could play the multiplayer servers.
Cool kids are selected personally by Dereks Clique Of course.
And anything you said in the ideas forum would be flamed unless you played battlecruiser since its beta, and had over 5000 posts. Because we all know you just suck without 5000 posts.
(I hated that community, and i believe every single guy who was on that forum had no way of taking anyone's critique)
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.11.11 03:19:00 -
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There's a great page about Derek's infamies, but I can't link to it because of the profanity involved (most of it comes from Derek himself ). Just google him and you'll find lots of entertaining information.
Can somebody post a link to some info about what SWG changed in its combat system? I'd go to their boards, but since all disagreements are deleted that won't be a useful source of info.
thanks
Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
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Urzu 7
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Posted - 2005.11.11 03:23:00 -
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crap, simple
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Nac MacFeegle
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Posted - 2005.11.11 03:38:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Tal Oman
If you were to get bought out by SOE...I would advise you to enter the ductwork and begin a rebel insurgency immediatly...
*points a superlaser at Iceland*
For the last time, what is the location of the secret Developer base?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.11.11 03:48:00 -
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It would be... sparkly.. if EQ2 is anything to go by.
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NoHup
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Posted - 2005.11.11 04:17:00 -
[165]
Originally by: F'nog
There's a great page about Derek's infamies, but I can't link to it because of the profanity involved (most of it comes from Derek himself ). Just google him and you'll find lots of entertaining information.
Can somebody post a link to some info about what SWG changed in its combat system? I'd go to their boards, but since all disagreements are deleted that won't be a useful source of info.
thanks
Basically they are revamping the entire game because Lucas Arts sees that it is failing and it taking over. Think KOTOR meets Diablo is my understanding. Add in a click where you want to shoot and if you hit the person with your click then you are on target (a la annoying adds on web pages) and you have your combat system. The entire community is going a bit nuts over it and I think I hear a death knell at least for a lot of the vets.
I played on Valcyn from Day 1, but after just over a year (basically when the hologrind was in full swing) it became a bit pointless and I had RL commitments to take care of.
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BobsBrother
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:14:00 -
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WOW avon leaving? i have read alot of your post etc and am sorry to see you go, infact i am sorry when any of the older players leave.
But never thought i would get to say this especially to you
Can i have your stuff  ,
In all honesty hope you find fun in where you go next, and maybe decide to come back some time every one seems to drift back eventyally
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Permanewbie
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:15:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
Well, that blows.
It isn't just that WB, but it is the icing on the cake.
CCP have made a lot of descisions recently which seem to be changing Eve for the worse (imho). They just seem to be losing touch with the playerbase.
If they want to increase revenue, cool, all power to them. It is just a shame that they have to compromise so much to get there.
I guess Rebirth was the first of a chain of recent events that got my back up, but it got worse with allowing people to buy ISK (by making selling gametime for isk legal), and then the buddy raffle made that all worse.
In themselves they aren't the end of Eve, but they do seem to indicate that CCP are willing to compromise their own principles.
I guess I just get a general feeling of a disrespect towards the community. The way the SAS/4S situation was handled just solidified my fears.
It might just be me, but who else can guide my choices?
I may be very wrong about the whole thing, and I honestly hope I am, but if I am not willing to stand up for what I think is right, who will?
So your quitting because of the 4S attack on the server? Yet you blame CCP for the problem? What do you think is going to happen if you dump half a thousand objects into space which the server has to track and send to every single person connected to a system that is holding a good chunk of the total server count? That's a direct attack on the server , and YOU. If you want to blame CCP for something that 4S has done then dont let the door hit your butt on the way out.
And enjoy griefing those newbies on your last day ... how lame can ... you be? God....
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Win do
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:09:00 -
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They should sell to FOX then the game would keep its grit and we would probably see naked chicks fighting in jello on the minmatar stations's background.
The in space billboards would air some whack reality show with some fat losers and drunken hotties.
Teh EVE store would carry loads of "the simpsons" material.
The amarr empire would be renamed "Republican Empire".
Strippers everywhere and agents would look like Pam Anderson.
Baseball everyday 3times a day on every screens of the game would prevent you from reading the dialog boxes.
You would be required to use offensive white trash language while speaking in Local or corp.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.11 22:14:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Siri Danae
Originally by: Avon
"What would EVE be like if SOE took it over?"
Actually I am begining to wish they would.
You've been hanging out in that 17-page flamefest from last night too much if you think SOE could do anything but turn EVE into a cookie-cutter PC nightmare of bland, simple and non-offensive gameplay.
CCP is still a step ahead, and SOE couldn't close the gap if they wanted to. Which, as a matter of fact, they don't.
Don't care, I have now cancelled, so it makes no difference to me.
For someone who cancelled, you sure seem to have a hard time leaving. We all know you're forever scarred by the 4S incident, get over it Avon.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.11.12 00:01:00 -
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I just left SWG because of the horrors they are making with SWG. I paid for the expansion and before I get to play it they announce that they are completely turding the game. Played the test center, and its Diablo 2 meets Kotor and is gearing up for consoles and anyone that wants carpal tunnel on a PC.
If SOE EVER bought EVE... Its the day I quit with extreme quickness.
jide's oBject eXplorer
The Nest
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Makhan
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Posted - 2005.11.12 00:26:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
Well, that blows.
It isn't just that WB, but it is the icing on the cake.
CCP have made a lot of descisions recently which seem to be changing Eve for the worse (imho). They just seem to be losing touch with the playerbase.
If they want to increase revenue, cool, all power to them. It is just a shame that they have to compromise so much to get there.
I guess Rebirth was the first of a chain of recent events that got my back up, but it got worse with allowing people to buy ISK (by making selling gametime for isk legal), and then the buddy raffle made that all worse.
In themselves they aren't the end of Eve, but they do seem to indicate that CCP are willing to compromise their own principles.
I guess I just get a general feeling of a disrespect towards the community. The way the SAS/4S situation was handled just solidified my fears.
It might just be me, but who else can guide my choices?
I may be very wrong about the whole thing, and I honestly hope I am, but if I am not willing to stand up for what I think is right, who will?
Can I have your stuff?
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.11.12 00:39:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
Well, that blows.
It isn't just that WB, but it is the icing on the cake.
CCP have made a lot of descisions recently which seem to be changing Eve for the worse (imho). They just seem to be losing touch with the playerbase.
If they want to increase revenue, cool, all power to them. It is just a shame that they have to compromise so much to get there.
I guess Rebirth was the first of a chain of recent events that got my back up, but it got worse with allowing people to buy ISK (by making selling gametime for isk legal), and then the buddy raffle made that all worse.
In themselves they aren't the end of Eve, but they do seem to indicate that CCP are willing to compromise their own principles.
I guess I just get a general feeling of a disrespect towards the community. The way the SAS/4S situation was handled just solidified my fears.
It might just be me, but who else can guide my choices?
I may be very wrong about the whole thing, and I honestly hope I am, but if I am not willing to stand up for what I think is right, who will?
I disagree. Been playing EVE since 2003, SWG since 2004 and City of Heroes since 2004. I think CCP has done the best job in any MMO of providing customers with a place of information and feedback. You want to talk about a team that doesn't know it's customers? Talk SOE. You want a team that changes ninja nerf to the nth degree? Cryptic Studios is your team. CCP... it takes so long to do what they do that they give us information so we won't rattle their cages for 4 - 8 months while it gets done.
I suggest you take a break and get a new perspective of this game and the great people who make it.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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MEISAPI RAT
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Posted - 2005.11.12 02:04:00 -
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safe travels Avon.
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crimson moon81
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Posted - 2005.11.12 02:10:00 -
[174]
Eve is too good to ever bow down to SOE or any other inferior companys
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Zabuzura Novu
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Posted - 2005.11.18 00:14:00 -
[175]
/Runs Around Screaming at thought
That is a scary thought, should that happen, ill Gouge out my eyes with a plastic spork.
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FumerTue
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Posted - 2005.11.18 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: FumerTue on 18/11/2005 00:52:32
The recenty activities of SOE and there failure to listen
"I am not speaking as the wise*****ing mayor or entertainer of the Bantha PooDoo. For the first time I am speaking seriously as a community leader. The time has come for all players to unite in solidarity, and in one voice let SOE that we will not go into the darkness without a fight.
I speak of a full-blown, across the board, cancelation of accounts.
I am aware that there are those who like the changes or at least are giving it a chance. I am not asking you to change your perspective, nor telling you that you are wrong. I AM asking that we all unite to make this game the best game it can be. Only a massive response will get the attention of SOE leadership who have either lied about the response to recent changes - or are themselves deceived. Regardless, it is time they get a taste of their own medicine. It's nerfing time!
What I propose is simple and easy to do. Cancel your account now for at LEAST for one month.
If you LOVE the game - consider this an experiment to see if we can have an effect. One month won't cost you anything as far as the game is concerned, or your character... it WILL save you $15. Treat yourself! Buy a pizza, rent some movies, try other games... or hey, read a good book, get to know your girlfriend or wife! After the month, come back if you find you still miss it. What you will have lost is nothing, what you will have gained might JUST be a renewed committment by the powers-that-be to making SWG the game it was intended to be. Even if nothing happens you will know that you once stood on principle for something important - and you can go back to enjoying your game.
If you are tired of the game or angry... I don't have to convince you to cancel you account. I DO ask that you consider looking back after that month or two to see if we were successful. I do not enjoy seeing our communtiy die. And that is what is happening.
If you think SOE will read this, see the plan and ignore it knowing its only a ploy. I disagree. One, they won't know who cancelled for GOOD and those who cancelled for a month... and two, one month missing $15 per player multiplied by hundreds and thousands WILL get their attention.. even one month will be enough to wake them up.
It might even make the gaming news circles...
The writing is on the wall... they've killed off whole professions and left others limping along. They've removed our correspondants and ignore in-game bugs. It is beyond time to act. However, I will not make this a one man crusade. I won't post this in any other board. But, I ask that everyone who wishes to join me, copy this and post it in your favorite forum(s). This needs to get around, and the more who see it, post it, and find it cluttering the board faster than it can be deleted or locked, the more power we will have to affect change.
And make no mistake, this is about CHANGE. No one who is permanently closing their account HATES SWG... On the contrary, they LOVE the game, and hate what irresponsible developers have done to change it from what we were promised and enjoyed many many months ago. What change should SOE make? I will not say in this thread. Many more articulate players have stated what can and should be done in dozens of other threads. SOE can read those. Or they can read the feedback that has been piling up for months. Either way, this specific and drastic action is intended to force them to listen to them.
OK how to explain this.. well SOE have pulled the nasty again."
1 day after going live with yet another unfinished expansion with no content, they changed the the complete game, i mean everything..... from near on 50 proffesions , there is now only 9... from a mmo to a fps with a system that is as it satands completely unuseable.... i could go on for a few hours so ill stop now , needless to that they have lost an extremely large amount of players and the list is still growing.. |
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Posted - 2005.11.18 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: FumerTue on 18/11/2005 00:53:19
My post above, the words inbetween the "" are not my words but that of a , (as stated) comunitee leader.
I point to posting this....
IS that hopefully CCP will never! ever! let this happen to EVE!
Oh maybe get ready for a mass increase in players
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.11.18 11:04:00 -
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I remember Derek Smart and his forums! If you post to report a bug to him, he will call you a noob and ban you. The really funny part is, you can post on the Publisher's forums and be immune from him, go there and see everyone flaming him and watch him cry and be helpless!
-omg-
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.11.18 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion
If CCP sold out to Sony, I'd cancel my account on the spot, and that's no idle threat. I've been down that road before, and don't care to return.
CCP has it's problems, but compared to Sony, this is paradise.
Amen.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.11.18 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
Now now, Avon, the 4S catastrophe is no reason to quit EVE! If someone changed my corps name because it reminded them of the godawful film by the same name, I wouldn't quit!
Here are some better reasons to quit, in no particular order;
* Project rebirth.
* Instas and the extremely crappy, skill-based, randomly determined 'fix' for them.
* Level 4 missions.
* Eye for an eye (just incase the decomposing corpse of piracy wasn't quite dead).
* Nerf to sec status regain.
* CCP bowing to mass whinage.
* Giving away ingame items for out of game efforts. "Limited per month" of course to 'only' the alt spam rewards, fanfest tourney awards and fanfest picture competition so far. :/
* Messed up ore thief nerf and can flagging (can we say grief?).
* Shifted focus to NPCs and away from player power.
* T2 production, faction ships, location services, all sec status increase - how do you get them all? NPC and agent whorage.
* Nerfing things because of lag (sweet jebus, don't think even SOE do this...).
* Delayed or outright cancelled features that apparently we can only get an info update on after months of whining for info.
* Just about all of exodus.
* The repeated and utterly baffling, uncalled for changes to fonts every damn patch. Seriously, is there one guy just asking CCP to add this every patch that comes along? Or do they manage to regularily completely forget the whining that preceeded a font change for every patch hence whatever the current one is?
* The 'nerf' cycle. It isn't that hard to sit down for a couple weeks and work out a good balance. It's certainly not easy, but you've had two and a half damn years.
* Ugh, I could go on but it's just too depressing.
Shame, really. EVE could've been a good game, but it seems the devs have had their eyes replaced with comically oversized dollar signs (forsaking original vision for profits, in other words). Trials of Ascension looks to be a real good game, though, shame it's still in alpha.
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MachineSlave
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Posted - 2005.11.18 14:49:00 -
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Cancelled my 3 year old account with swg...SOE can suck my balls
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.18 14:57:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 09/11/2005 19:46:18
Originally by: Winterblink
You seriously cancelled? Damn it, why?
Guess!
Now now, Avon, the 4S catastrophe is no reason to quit EVE! If someone changed my corps name because it reminded them of the godawful film by the same name, I wouldn't quit!
Here are some better reasons to quit, in no particular order;
* Project rebirth.
* Instas and the extremely crappy, skill-based, randomly determined 'fix' for them.
* Level 4 missions.
* Eye for an eye (just incase the decomposing corpse of piracy wasn't quite dead).
* Nerf to sec status regain.
* CCP bowing to mass whinage.
* Giving away ingame items for out of game efforts. "Limited per month" of course to 'only' the alt spam rewards, fanfest tourney awards and fanfest picture competition so far. :/
* Messed up ore thief nerf and can flagging (can we say grief?).
* Shifted focus to NPCs and away from player power.
* T2 production, faction ships, location services, all sec status increase - how do you get them all? NPC and agent whorage.
* Nerfing things because of lag (sweet jebus, don't think even SOE do this...).
* Delayed or outright cancelled features that apparently we can only get an info update on after months of whining for info.
* Just about all of exodus.
* The repeated and utterly baffling, uncalled for changes to fonts every damn patch. Seriously, is there one guy just asking CCP to add this every patch that comes along? Or do they manage to regularily completely forget the whining that preceeded a font change for every patch hence whatever the current one is?
* The 'nerf' cycle. It isn't that hard to sit down for a couple weeks and work out a good balance. It's certainly not easy, but you've had two and a half damn years.
* Ugh, I could go on but it's just too depressing.
Shame, really. EVE could've been a good game, but it seems the devs have had their eyes replaced with comically oversized dollar signs (forsaking original vision for profits, in other words). Trials of Ascension looks to be a real good game, though, shame it's still in alpha.
Well, I did say in a later post it was just the icing on the cake.
But yes, on the whole I'd have to agree with you.
To think, I used be accused of being a fanboi!
Eve is still a good game I guess, it just isn't really living up to the promise it had.
CCP seem to be 'softening' Eve to increase subs, and let's face it, they are a business. I guess this wouldn't be so bad if the servers could actually cope with the current numbers.
If CCP want to minimise the death penalty (as some of their proposed changes indicate), then fine. But if I am going to choose a game to play with the same lower penalty there are plenty of more polished offerings out there.
Eve was great because it felt like a no-compromise game.
The game was never perfect, but the concept was great.
Slowly the 'gritty harshness' of Eve is being worn away, and with it goes the reasons to play.
Eve filled a unique niche, I just hope something will come along to take its place.
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Stouman
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Posted - 2005.11.19 08:06:00 -
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I wasted entirely too many hours on SOE games before I realized that SOE was pure evil.
Dalekplunger, I salute you. (even if you left out some bits)
Yeah I know my sig sucks. I'll get a cooler one in here someday.
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Manu Bellum
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Posted - 2005.11.23 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
A dying game
/cry best online wargame ever, and maybe there ever will be
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Jaleean Atheria
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Posted - 2005.11.23 10:31:00 -
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I've come to the conclusion that Avon will never quit, because he enjoys whoring the forums too much.
<3 Avon
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:03:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Jaleean Atheria
I've come to the conclusion that Avon will never quit, because he enjoys whoring the forums too much.
<3 Avon
I fear that my forum days are drawing to a close, so I am making up for it :D
That said, if someone wants to buy me a GTC I'll happily stay. 
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Bermag
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Posted - 2005.11.23 11:59:00 -
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LOL!
As a recent SWG refugee I all agree. But you forgot some changes SOE would do:
1) After 3 years they would replace the current skill system and instead make a few "iconic" professions: Trader, Miner, Fighter. It would take 2 weeks for any noob to get the same skills as a 3 year old player. Our polls has showed that this is what players want!
2) Have different ship equipment but make it so only one of each type is useful. Or maybe remove ship customization completly.
3) Instead we get the "exciting" new feature to decorate our ships
4) New "exciting" loot and quest rewards: Paintings of ships and other decoration for your ship.
5) All old equipment can not be used but will still be in game. Will still drop as loot but not be usable.
6) When you mine you would have to shoot off a part of an asteroid and chase it around and shoot it until it breaks up again (actually this is how space mining works in SWG - just like good old (20+ year) game "Asteroids"
7) If a bug is old or a feature has been broken for years, why fix it?
8) Combat should be click and hit! It is a lot more fun and exciting, who cares about tactics and strategy! All stats on equipment are hidden (part of the game to find out how things work!)
9) Every dev post should say "exciting" and "fun" at least 10 times in every post.
10) Players are just a pack of spoiled brats complaining about everything. Change is fun, especially if all your old uber stuff become useless.
11) A new add-on package must be released in time even if it breaks everything in the game. If we don't have new bugs, what should we then do when releasing new patches, do content roflmao!
12) Devs should never answer any direct questions from players. Never any straight answers, instead answer it so there are a lot of interpretations of it. That is so much more fun and exciting for players to find out what we really mean.
13) <insert favourite problem> will be fixed in the upcoming <Insert name> revamp coming soon which we will start working on as soon as this expansion you will pay for is finished!
14) It is better to nerf a feature than fixing the problem.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:16:00 -
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There is a hell of a lot more PvP in SWG now.
Even though there is no death penalty (apart from the journey from the cloning station), it still has meaning, as each kill racks up points in the ongoing Galactic Civil War.
Server performance stinks at the moment, but then again it does here too.
If you look at SWG as a new game, and try not to compare it with the old SWG, it actually stands up pretty well.
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Samurai Pumpkin
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:41:00 -
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Uhm, wasnt there a thread on the SWG boards entitled something like "Post here if you've cancelled" and the thread reached it's limit of 1,999 posts?
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Bermag
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Posted - 2005.11.23 12:57:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Avon
There is a hell of a lot more PvP in SWG now.
Even though there is no death penalty (apart from the journey from the cloning station), it still has meaning, as each kill racks up points in the ongoing Galactic Civil War.
Server performance stinks at the moment, but then again it does here too.
If you look at SWG as a new game, and try not to compare it with the old SWG, it actually stands up pretty well.
Yes that is a new feature coming. However, there are not much benefits "winning" the GCW. What you get is that planets are controlled by the leading faction which means if empire controlled there well be imp NPCs which will attack rebel players (but since you can go on leave and be civilian there are no real danger) or vice versa .
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.11.23 13:40:00 -
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w00t! SOE buying EVE? Sing me up! I wanna play fun PvP game where I don't have to call sick at work for next week to scope up my loses in "fun gatecamp pvp"-experience.
And yes, I was dead serious on my post.
I still find fun way to play EVE .. On test server where I can enjoy epic space battle PvP without fear to be podded. If only there would be way to be safe side from podding and blobbing in TQ ..
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:30:00 -
[192]
If SOE bought EVE, I'd ask President Bush to Nuke Iceland.
He listens to me, so I'm sure he'd do it...
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Exile Devaltos
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Exile Devaltos on 23/11/2005 14:31:44
Played SWG for around 2 years till I finally quit.
I remember the ATST's, the SWG version of the BS. Solo-pwn mobiles that could nail a Krayt Dragon (the SW Universe's most uber creature) in a few minutes. Then it got nerfed so you could only attack REBELS with it, you couldn't even gank n00bs if you wanted to :(
I admit a shiver was running down my spine as I was reading all this. Imagine SOE really did take over.... I would quit within a day, save myself the pain of waiting for a patch that fixes a bug for eternity.
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:37:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Bhaal
He listens to me, so I'm sure he'd do it...
Well, I don't doubt it and that makes may a bit afraid.
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Lady Lothrein
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Posted - 2005.11.23 14:52:00 -
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Played DAOC for ages, best PVP I have ever seen, sadly the TOA expansion came along and made it into a PVE/farming game to get the best equipment (without it, you couldnt PVP).
About leaving, well if you look at the DAOC boards, you will see alot of canceled accounts trolling the boards for ages
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Bill Tanner
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Posted - 2005.11.23 15:31:00 -
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I played SWG for almost 1.5 years. Left after the CU1. It was my first MMO, so I didn't know any better. Now I do. If SOE were to absorb Eve, I'd quit the next day.
The OP left out a couple of scary things that would happen:
- Even though it's the future and everyone has laser weapons and long range guns, all combat takes place within 500 meters. And you can't even see an enemy ship until it is 10 km away from you.
- After spending months getting to be an uber master crafter, the stuff you make like armor or guns for a ship uses twice as much CPU and Power and does half the damage as some loot dropped by rats in Empire, so no one ever buys your items.
- When a noob is finding their way in the game and does some of the lower-end content, every single NPC mission is either a FedEx mission or a rat spawn farming mission, neither of which make the least bit of sense in the overall scheme of things. And those two mission types only have a dozen slight variations that quickly get repeated over and over in order to banish any last bit of immersion.
Oh, wait, scratch that third item, we have that already...
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Posted - 2005.11.23 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sanni Morgana on 23/11/2005 17:45:54
Edited by: Sanni Morgana on 23/11/2005 17:44:19
my 2,5 years of SWG:
-bugs since release still ingame....acknowledged but nothing done about it.
-Big Shot of the DEVS promising progress for the combat balance update for more then a year.
They STARTED on this more then a year after they supposed to be working on it.
In fact, they had to roll in a bunch of EQ2 DEVS to create the Combat balance.
-prices ingame where ranging from many thousands to even millions of credits for items sold by players.
yet, they have 'exciting quests' ingame which give 50-150 credits as a reward.
-they introduced an alpha class ingame (jedi).
great idea, as 90% of the player database went for that profession after that...
-when they nerfed professions, players started to whine, they listened and gave them unfair advantages, which caused even more grief with the opposition which then got unfair advantages....resulting in massive unbalances in combat.
-they saw and recognised exploiting in PVP combat, yet did nothing about it...starting massive flamewar and griefing between the jedi- and the Bounty Hunter players.
-the game suffers from massive lag and server instability.
-the storyline is focused right after Episode 3, yet to satisfy new players and to earn easy money , allmost all new content (if any) is focused on episode 1-3.
in short:
-lag
-server instability
-BUGS
-no content except mindless grinding
-buffs and uber armor which made you play Godmode
-creating an allround self-relient grindprofession (jedi) which was 1.5x stronger then any profession ingame.
-combat unbalance
-no PVP (in fact , you would get punished PVPing as you got item decay and massive wounds after each loss)
-CSR ppl who would do nothing about your complaints.
You really had to have the luck to catch a CSR who just happened to be in a good mood.
They only replied to complaints sending you e-mail ingame when you were offline. The answer was negative in approx 99% anyway.
-DEVS promising anything, yet giving no ETA just to have customers renewing their accounts.
SOE primary Tactic:
releasing some content every time the players get fed up with SOE.
-only releasing some new content when a new MMORPG was released as they feared cancellations of accounts.
-the promised Galactic Civil War was never implemented.
-the promised Battlegrounds were never implemented
-the promised Smuggler Revamp was never implemented
-content balanced solely around the jedi profession as this was their main attraction. "Yes, you can create your own jedi"
-allmost no Publishes
-no interaction with players unless it was for punishing
-allmost no fixes
if fixes were announced in the patchlist; it often was discouvered that they were still not fixed ingame.
-stealth nerfs
they tried to implement some nerfs secretly as they knew the players would go on a rampage knowing that such changes were going Live.
-Publishes on testserver were 'tested' for about 1 week at most...then it was put Live regardless of the massive bugreports from testers who warned.
this often resulted in day-long downtimes and restarts and a game with again more bugs.
-each fixed bug created more bugs.
-bad management
-SOE reacting to the situation WAY too late.
Between complaint and reaction is some 1-1.5 year before SOE realizes the problem.
etc etc etc
and there's more but I just want to stop thinking about SWG/SOE and start enjoying EVE again.
and the 1 good thing about SWG:
it is Star Wars, and THAT'S why most people waited and renewed their accounts hoping to get a SW game.
As a game with nice little elves and Orcs the game would already've been long gone.
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Posted - 2005.11.23 17:53:00 -
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and did everyone notice the fabulous pod racing you could experience like in Episode 1?
podracing in SWG was a time-trial containing travelling on your mount/speeder to 10-15 waypoints on the planet.
no race track or something like that, no crowds...just solo visiting some waypoints and travelling back to the start droid to get your time. (and badge).
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.23 18:04:00 -
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It's so sad that SWG was butchered so bad.
SOE is just so damn clueless it's not even funny...
EA is just as bad or worse.
What kind of retards do these companies have working for them?
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.23 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
It's so sad that SWG was butchered so bad.
SOE is just so damn clueless it's not even funny...
EA is just as bad or worse.
What kind of retards do these companies have working for them?
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Posted - 2005.11.24 06:05:00 -
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"People stopped playing EQ1 for fun YEARS AGO. In fact, I can pinpoint the exact moment the fun "ended" for me, and that was the day Planes of Power went live. The 60 hour camp fest for my Vex Thal key didn't do it. The endless faction grinding in Velious didn't do it, it was the day they basically re-wrote the roles of every class in the game."
That about sums it up for me. I started playing EQ just before the ruins of Kunark expansion went live, and for the next 5 years i along with many others put up with the crap until i found Eve. 2 days after i started playing eve i walked away from 6 lvl 70 Characters all with over 200aa, there was no challenge in it anymore. Just gave my account to a friend that was willing to stay and never went back.
What broke me was i bought EQ2, and not realising i could link up to my eq1 account and pay for a station pass for both games, stoopidly i registered a new station name. I was advised to cancel the eq2 account by SOE Cust service, then link it.
just one little problem.
the cd key for eq2 had already been used and wouldnt allow me to resign it up with my eq1 account. I was then told i would either have to pay the 2 seperate prices or REBUY my copy of EQ2 before i could play again.
The money hungry attitude of SOE had bugged me silly and this drove me over the edge. I will never play a game run by SOE again.
They come here, both my eve accounts get cancelled.
Here endeth the lesson on SOE business practices
ciaco
Meany/Nighthawk
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