That's the point really, because they're now really good and focussed we don't regard them as being versatile, just as a direct upgrade with obvious benefits in stats. This makes it difficult for most ppl to see them as anything else and thus they base their issues and logic on this current fact.

Changing T3 to never be best at anything but actually, really, being versatile would make them less obvious choices for obvious stuff like missions or 300 man T3 fleets. It would however make them, perhaps, interesting in smaller engagements and for less straight forward PVE.

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Being able to swap Sub systems while in space (on its own) could be an interesting twistt. Perhaps create some form of "siege mode" with 2 minute cycles where you can't cloak, move or warp but you can swap out subs.

so when you guys nerf T3s are you gonna get rid of skillpoint loss?

Price can never be the sole balancing factor, agreed, but it most definitely can be A balancing factor, especially for ships which can be killed in routine engagements without the extraordinary effort required to down eg: a Titan.

Got to agree with Tippia on this one, T3s already offer stuff that is just way too broken powerfull compared to T2 due to that flexibility its just fair their performance drops a bit in exchange for that flexibility.


think about it, how many HACs can fly cloaked, with 100mn ABs, doing 500dps on ham, while being immune to interdiction cap stable and with a resist bonus on top of native higher resistances? its just completely broken that a tengu can be a recon, a hac, a mini transport an interceptor at the same time and be superior on all the roles to all those ships togheter.

price is NEVER a performance measurement, if it was, marauders would be destroying capital ships like they were frigates and would be impervious to any sub capital ship.

Titans die anytime anybody puts the minimal effort into stalking and killing one.

OK go kill me one tonight.

Titans die anytime anybody puts the minimal effort into stalking and killing one.

Even by your own suddenly ******** logic my 100 billion isk titan should at the very least be balanced against other supers and caps, and yet one hic, and a single mothership, or 1 hic, and 5 dreads, can down a titan because they've been neutered so hard, because in the words of the CCP Devs, Price cannot be a factor in balancing.

But I guess since you're changing your mind on how you see balance I can assume you'll now be the champion of Titan buffing so that my Titan is the equal isk to power value in supers and or dreads. You know, making a titan worth 30 dreads worth of tank and firepower, or 4 supers of tank and firepower (roughtly 50k dps or so, and about 100 million hp by your logic).

Tell me why as they sit right now you'd ever use a HAC over a combat t3? Hell, tell me why you'd ever use a Huggin over a webbing (armor or shield) Loki? Oh whats that, you wouldn't? The T3 is significantly less training time you say? And outclasses just about everything it has to compete with you say? Oh its made several classes of ship simply useless you say and the only justifiable reason that you can come up with is price?

And cry me a rive about the skill point loss, as a guy who's lost 12 T3's and had to retrain those skills several times I can say that the 3-5 days it takes isn't really a detractor, and anybody who says it is, is largely just a whiney ninny.

Your tears are precious btw and I'm not done with titans yet.

The other huge barrier to "flexibility" is rigs. If I have to destroy the rigs every time I "flexibly" change my T3s role, then it very very quickly becomes cheaper and easier to simply have multiple ships. In fact people have multiple T3s now because of this

Your tears are precious btw and I'm not done with titans yet.

Is it just me or does this make malcanis look like a petty idiot that ran out of arguments. Debating PL on how hard it is to kill titans while in an alliance like Init is just sad. Almost as sad as pretending that it was him that nerfed titans and he will nerf them more because he has ~power~. Quit making the CSM look bad malcanis.

oh god I think I just agreed with Grath on something.

The insanity that is General Discussion has claimed another victim.

confirmed. Add beer and I'm about as coherent as a syphilitic monkey with a brain disorder.

Naah ... If there were equal number of x-type and T1 put on the market (i.e. equal availability before accounting for demand) the X-type would cost more. If there were equal numbers of T1 and x-type available on the market (i.e. after demand has been taken into account) the x-type would still cost more.

depends on how big the supply is. There have been items, over the years, that were extremely highly supplied, wherein the Meta 1 and 2 loot versions were cheaper than the T1 items at Jita. So if the supply was large enough X-types might be cheaper than Tech 1 simply because of the mineral cost attached to T1.

Possibly, but a lot of that price desrepency was because most people used meta 3/4 or tech 2 items, no one used the lower metas so they got refined into minerals, but the meta 1 and 2 had less minerals than the base item so they were worth next to nothing. In the case of the X-type it would be used by everyone so not really sure it would drop below the tech 1 price though you'd see the price of 3 and 4 drop to base prices and tech 2 would never be made again nor would the base items as any existing amounts would be refined as there would be no more demand for anything other than the X-types. This is of course assuming the supply of X-types got close to current supplies of tech 1 modules.

Here. Note the date on that blog postGǪ

Yeah, about that...

...that's the old one, and if you click the link that I.. well.. linked, it shows the new one. I already have the old one, but it's old and outdated. I'm looking for the new one, as an image rather than a video snippet.

I would reply to your snark with counter-snark about reading comprehension and visual acuity, but I really don't feel like it.

Yeah, about that...

...that's the old one, and if you click the link that I.. well.. linked, it shows the new one.

Just like in my visions.

Null sec super stars say - tech3 are overpowered and need fixes more then tech2.