Rather than overly nerf T3s, why not just give t2's a decent boost so they are slightly better then t3s, and get rid of that ******** off grid boosting.

Not necessarily, no. T3 should offer something different that T1, and whether it's better or not will depend on the context GÇö not the ship.

Nope. It's a single consistent line. The problem is perhaps that you're being lifted out of the simple world of line-land and into the (still fairly simply) flatlandGǪ

GǪfor our next trick, we'll pull you of that and into 3D space GÇö hope you're not prone to vertigo.

So why fly T3?

So why fly T3?

your point being "I have a ship that cost 100000billion and performs better than everything so I should win 100% of time so you better get the same ship as me"?

yes, let's get back to the same thing I said above. let's remove all the ships in game and introduce a single ship with a single gun. Let's call it Smurgecarrier since it carries a smurgeblaster...


they tried. It's called Titans armed with Doomsday Devices and they had AoE that was aimable at a cyno grids away.



didn't worked that well, from what I recall...

Simple lesson from the Gnosis.

I could say "why not fly T3?", but that's too silly of me to ask.

instead I ask, "why not wait for CCP to come up with whatever ideas they have?"


granted however, that CCP likes to apply the "nuke to kill fly" approach on nerfs, but lately I can see that thay have it done right-ish on the Tiericide 'till now.

Same reason I fly an Enyo over another t1 frigate.

You're not asking because its obvious : because its 10x more expensive than T1

Yup, because T2 frigs > T1 frigs

What if they are made a lot cheaper?

You know you're wrong.

You can have the best ship in eve, and pay it thousands of billions, you always can be blobbed, so you cant win 100% of the time.

If you were right, the guys with AT ships would be winning 100% of the time.

And yes, i like to kill/fly shiny stuff so i would like "shiny" to still means something.

But t1 frigs will now kill t2 frigs. They are balanced, just as t3 cruisers will be.

You can already kill T3s with T1, so its already balanced?

You can already kill T3s with T1, so its already balanced?

because a t3 having over 6 times as much tank as a t1 cruiser is balanced.

Im talking about cruisers, BCs, BS, even frigs, who know.
Its just a matter of brain, fits, situation and stuff.

Okay, its hard with a T1 cruiser, but its till doable. and not so hard if you adapt your fit to the situation.

On staurday a single legion wiped out a whole test gang of talwars solo before the rest of the fleet could warp to a gate. We use tengu because they are better at being a drake than the drake is.

There is no getting around the fact that t3 cruisers are horribly overpowered.

Its not my fault if TEST are terrible.
Also, i agree that the tengu is OP, but for completely different reasons than yourth, that im not gonna explain now cause i dont have the time.

My point is T3 are not as OP as everyone is yelling here.

Simple lesson from the Gnosis.

If you make something super-versatile, you risk making it the master of absolutely nothing, so much so that it is never used in pvp.

Tech3s are due for a change, and are not meant to go above Tech2 in terms of raw performance (example: Warfare Subsystems, have a look why at the end of this blog). The other problem with Tech3s is that only a few of the sub-system configurations are actually decent, with the rest being quite terrible. Ideally all the sub-systems should have a proper role on the field, and Tech3 should be used because of their flexibility and adaptability, not because they surpass hulls of the same category at their specialized purpose.

The chart linked in the first post is slightly out-of-date - the new one we've showed during Fanfest 2013 is here.

In summary:

• Tech1 are the basic entry level, simple gameplay hulls that are used as reference points for all the other. That's why we started with them during the "tiericide" initiative.
• Navy / Faction are improvement over Tech1, with roles more or less varied depending on the ships themselves. Ex: Drake vs Drake Navy Issue, Megathron vs Vindicator and so on.
• Tech2 hulls provide specialized gameplay with advanced mechanics. Perfect example are Stealth Bombers, Interdictors, Heavy Interdictors, or Black Ops.
• Tech3 vessels were initially meant to be extremely flexible with adaptable roles due to sub-system configurations. In practice, they currently overlap in stats with other, more specialized ship classes, which create problems.

Tech3 ships are due to be rebalanced after Tech2 hulls so that our team may use the experience they've gained along the way to overhaul them properly.


Exactly how and when this is going to be accomplished, we cannot say for now, even if we do have some ideas.

Your order for rebalancing things makes sense until you look at the relative brokenness of each class. T3s need gigantic nerfs as soon as possible. Giving HACs a sig bonus, or whatever strange idea you guys have to fix them, will still leave them massively overshadowed by T3s. You should be doing your changes in order of how much they are needed - how out of line the ships are.

Or being smart and not running in head first with a knife.

Got to agree with Tippia on this one, T3s already offer stuff that is just way too broken powerfull compared to T2 due to that flexibility its just fair their performance drops a bit in exchange for that flexibility.


think about it, how many HACs can fly cloaked, with 100mn ABs, doing 500dps on ham, while being immune to interdiction cap stable and with a resist bonus on top of native higher resistances? its just completely broken that a tengu can be a recon, a hac, a mini transport an interceptor at the same time and be superior on all the roles to all those ships togheter.

price is NEVER a performance measurement, if it was, marauders would be destroying capital ships like they were frigates and would be impervious to any sub capital ship.

While I can understand where you're coming from, it's important to understand that if they want to balance the T3 against T2 Cruisers, T2 Cruisers first need to be balanced, or they have no context against which to balance.