They need a little rebalance, not strong nerf.

Honestly atm,all what i see is a bunch of T1 pilots winning about more expensive ships kicking their asses, what is NORMAL.

They need a stong nerf to be rebalanced. Also yes, t1 cruiser should be able to win fights vs more expensive ships, thats called balance.

Taking a knife into a firefight and expecting to win with the said knife isn't expecting balance, it's expecting stupidity to work.

Giving ships competitive stats and capabilities is not the same as giving ships equal stats. Perhaps you have forgotten that in EvE there are many different weapon systems, tanking styles, EWAR and role bonuses. These can create strengths and weaknesses which can be exploited and countered. That's part of what makes the game interesting.

Taking a knife into a firefight and expecting to win with the said knife isn't expecting balance, it's expecting stupidity to work.

And yes if i pay more, i want better stats, not a sticker or a skin. As a lot of people i guess.

Price as well as other included risk quite simply must play a factor in this.

Additionally no t3 that is fitted for recon duty, will be able to outperform a recon in the said role, as in the proteus will still have weaker ewar than the arazu, ditto with loki vs rapier, legion vs curse and the tengu vs the falcon.

HAC's have yet to seen any kind of rebalances, and looking at them now I find it hard to even consider the diemost above the t1 hull Thorax. Why bother with the diemost when it just barely outperforms a thorax? Why bother with the zealot when for the same price you could get a simple harbinger that tanks better while having higher dps to top it off?

I also find it quite hilarious that you ignore it entirely that in order to properly change say a legion from the dps role to its recon role of neuting, you'd have to not only swap all the subsystems and the vast majority of modules, but you'd also have to completely rerig it.

The only one making any such suggestion is you.

No, it is balance. Will some hull have the best DPS? Sure. Will some hull have the best tank? Of course. Should they be the same hull? Under no circumstances, and T3 are the least deserving candidate of either of those distinctions, much less any combination of hem.

GǪand that's why people are calling out yourGǪ ehmGǪ less than stellar balancing suggestions. If T1 are Gǣscrub shipsGǥ, then the balancing has failed. If there is a Gǣbest shipGǥ, then the balancing has failed. T1 should be a viable option for everyone.

Translation: GÇ£damn, you're right, and I can't think of any argument to prove otherwise, so I'll just dismiss you out of hand and hope someone falls for it.GÇ¥

T1 should be a step to T2/T3. Never a 100% viable option against T2/T3 (with same numbers).
Why would we fly T2/T3 other way?

You say that 2 things costing a price with a 10 factor should have the same capabilities.
And thats why i say you're wrong.

T1 should be a step to T2/T3. Never a 100% viable option against T2/T3 (with same numbers).

CCP

is there any way we can convince you to do T3's sooner rather than later .. say with the Command ship rebalance/links?
I can't think that doing all the T2 ships first is what people want or need...

perhaps if people could +1 this in support .. like a petition..

EVE isn't like all of those other scrub MMOs where purple gear or gtfo rules. Just because you spend more doesn't mean you should win here.

T1 should be a step to T2/T3. Never a 100% viable option against T2/T3 (with same numbers).
Why would we fly T2/T3 other way?

You say that 2 things costing a price with a 10 factor should have the same capabilities.

T1 should definatly be viable vs t2/t3. This isnt WoW.

why is this topic nine pages long

Stop trolling *****. You cant be so stupid.

Honestly m8, i prefer to kill T3 with T1 than T1 with T3.
And its till possible, because of piloting, fits and stuff.
I dont want a win button, in the case you didnt understood. I just want that when i take my T3 out, its for a reason, not just to say "look guys, im in a shiny ship"

And anyway, if what you say was true, and T3 was so OP we would see more T3 out than T1.
I would love to see moar T3 arouns, it would mean moar shiny kills, sadly, its not the case.

Stop posting, you're so wrong. And im lazy to take care of you.



Yeah because having ships with the same stats would be better (if there is not "better" ships). :p

T1 should have no problems defeating T2/T3 if the latter are the wrong thing to bring.
Why would we ever fly T1 otherwise?

T2 offer specialisation. They are a corkscrew. If you bring one to a party where everyone drinks beer from a can, then the good old T1 finger will beat the snot out of the fancy T2 corkscrew. T3 is a Victorinox. However, in the time it takes for you to fold down the relatively weak and wobbly corkscrew prong on it (because it's still the wrong thing to bring), I may have had the time to pry the can open GÇö once more with my trusty old T1 finger.
No. And that's one of the many reasons you're wrong.

come on, do I really need to do it this way for you?

ok here it goes.

you can't have T3's outperform everything when they are made to be able to do everything at the cost of specialization. T2's are the specialized hulls. they better be doing what they are tailor-made to. This means that they (T3) can't perform as well as a T2 in said T2's field, but at the same time they can do more than said T2 by adding up something that it doesn't have.

Incidentally, you can't, however, make them perform worse, or equal. Now that is dumbing down. Same as having a ship better than the rest. That is also dumbing down. True balance is achieved in a way that X is useful, but doesn't step on toes of Y, while still being effective on Z.

So, you neithet can't have the whole cake and eat it, nor have everyone eat the same cake, and that's why balance stuff in a game like EVE is ******* hard. And that's why CCP is doing Tiericide by stages and not changing the whole damn thing in one swoop.
And that's why we can't have a one thing beats anything in this game.

OH and then you say "pfah! I paid elevently-five billion for a ship I expect it to be a instant-I-PWZ0R-YOU button!"
Cost is not a goddamn balance factor, as Tippia painstakingly said more than once in this very thread, and with proof of fact in it.

So you're saying T3 should be better than T1 right?

Your posts are not logic m8, you're telling something in a post, the contrary in the following.

Cmon, thats the ccp statement. And you see my point dont try to procrastinate.

Soon people will ask to ccp to nerf blobs...