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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1816
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:10:00 -
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It doesn't work like that. We shoot them, they complain. They shoot us, we complain, etc. It doesn't work like that at ALL for anyone who has half a brain. Who the hell are you to say, as a member of the Federation, that someone doesn't have the RIGHT to complain about the destruction brought upon their own people from a war led by a madman holding a station hostage? Where the HELL do you think you have the authority to tell them what to do?
The CPD and TD are an issue, fine. But don't curse the whole of the State for the actions of the few.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1058
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:14:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:
And this may seem an alien concept, but merely being somebody's enemy is not an obstacle to respecting them, nor is it a reason to slaughter them. The Federation absolutely are the State's enemies - we're at war with them after all - but the relationship is a strange one, fuelled in some part by mutual respect.
We're only bitter enemies if we choose to be, and on this matter the Provists have chosen they wish to be myopic black-and-white thinkers who think that the only emotion to feel for an enemy is hatred. I'm proud of my people that most of us are able to have a more nuanced dynamic with them. We can be enemies without descending into murderous loathing.
We have so much respect for each other, yet we are willing to send millions to their graves in spite of it? The Caldari and the Gallente have both cooperated and enjoyed peace before, we can certainly do it again. Hell, were it not for this cooperation both our peoples may have become yet another race for the Amarr to subjugate under slavery.
Why, we were enjoying a century of peace (if an uneasy one) before Heth managed to ruin it all. We were even on the verge of signing a free trade agreement, the first since the outbreak of the Gallente-Caldari war.
If we have so much respect for each other, why not let something good come out of it? The first step would beridding our governments of the people who are willing to condemn billions to oblivion to support their own agenda. First on the list would clearly be Tibus Heth, though I will say, there are plenty in the Federation who are similar to that putrid man.
I'm not suggesting we reunite as one nation, I'm not even suggesting an alliance. It's just completely unnecessary to be shooting each other when at the end of the day, neither one of us have truly directly harmed the other.
It's completely ridiculous. I for one feel Caldari Prime should belong to the Caldari (it has their damn homeworld after all) but why fight over it? Why continue a squabble that few people alive can even remember? With the right people running the show (not Heth) I'm sure negotiations can take place. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
50
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:15:00 -
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Good hunting, Verin, and to everyone trying to restore some sanity.
I've never been close enough to the State to have serious feelings about Heth beyond him being psychotic, but killing off Yanala was clear and final proof that he's a mad dog. It doesn't matter how anti-Federation you are, a paramilitary attempt to seize control of State assets out of no more tactical reason than blind hate is beyond redeemable.
It's not likely to happen, but I quietly hope that Heth's fate is to be led away, and forgotten. A quiet trial, without publicity or fuss, and then put somewhere he can never be relevant again. The best kind of end for such people. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1816
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:21:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Why, we were enjoying a century of peace (if an uneasy one) before Heth managed to ruin it all. We were even on the verge of signing a free trade agreement, the first since the outbreak of the Gallente-Caldari war.
If we have so much respect for each other, why not let something good come out of it? The first step would beridding our governments of the people who are willing to condemn billions to oblivion to support their own agenda. First on the list would clearly be Tibus Heth, though I will say, there are plenty in the Federation who are similar to that putrid man.
Because we got a thing with cultural take over that led to this mess. Since we couldn't control the Caldari, we suggested to the Caldari how one should live with our goods and services and ...whatever the hell else we send. So I won't be surprised if the State wouldn't want an FTA.
That said, it'd be nice if the Fed and State could come to an accord of some form of industrial trade and scientific collaboration. I'd like to see a Fed/State summit occur where people can just..talk at a neutral location. Who knows, it might lead to a bonafide alliance in a century or two...maybe.
But still, that's the future. We're in the present. Let the State do their thing. You wanna help? Get your heap to Luminaire and take a nod from the Brutor Combat manual; stuff as much ammo as you can in your hold and nail as many guns to your ship as you can.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2853
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:25:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Maybe when we first captured Caldari Prime was terrorism too? Yes, absolutely. The State, its military comandeered by the Provists, broke about every international treaty the State ever signed with both the Federation and CONCORD when it entered sovereign Federal territory without Federal consent. Demanding terms under the threat of murder and genocide is absolutely terrorism, and any attempt to say otherwise is duplicitous.
Diana Kim wrote:When we were defending CN Shiigeru against gallentean attack, was it terrorism too? No, but ordering an Oblivion strike on the planet absolutely was.
Diana Kim wrote:When we captured Intaki, and all other federal systems, was it terrorism? Seizing control of planetary and interplanetary resources from the governments that rightfully own them and installing occupational regimes? That might not be terrorism, but it's certainly just as bad. Occupying and blockading the homeworld of a race? That's hypocricy, if nothing else.
Diana Kim wrote:We are at WAR, and gallente are our enemies! We must fight them to protect our homes, our relatives, our citizens and our corporations! Your homes, your relatives, your citizens and your corporations are in danger because the State, under the coerced and illegitimate command of Tibus Heth, started a war. That the Federation is the thing threatening homes, relatives, citizens and corporations is not in dispute. But the reason they're threatening them? It's because of Heth's war.
Heth started a war on the basis of the belief that every citizen in the State desired war, but he didn't think to consult with any of those citizens - from the lowest factory worker to the highest admiral or CEO - before he plunged every single one of them into a war for survival against a strategically and numerically superior force. He wanted to claim all of the glory of victory but he didn't want to shoulder any of the consequences of failure.
He has failed.
You have failed.
And now you're paying for it. Mane 614
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
539
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:35:00 -
[66] - Quote
Pilots, we're getting off subject. This is about Heth's failed attempt to start a proletarian revolution, and the CEP's decision to contain and hopefully arrest him.
Please, for the love of all that's good, let's not make this yet another tired rehashing of the disagreements between the Federation and the State. We've had centuries to go over that ground. We'll find nothing new there. |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1491
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:46:00 -
[67] - Quote
I think that Heth is himself more motivated by Gallentean hatred than by proletariat idealism, Miss Priano. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
155
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
It seems incredibly imprudent for the Kaalakiota board to remain silent as their CEO is declared a terrorist by the CEP and appears to have finally lost the remaining sanity to he had. I can't imagine I'm the only one watching their stock value plummet like a rock and waiting to buy at bargain prices.
Considering that Home Guard troops are evidently involved in this standoff on the side of the the CEP, and I haven't heard of any objection from Kaalakiota's CEP delegation to these actions, their silence is rather perfunctory at this point. Perhaps they should just tell everyone what they already suspect and tell us who is actually in charge in Nonni. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
465
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Posted - 2013.06.11 16:58:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:The theft of naval assets by an unauthorized party - terrorism The planned invasion of a foreign power in violation of the Yulai treaty - terrorism The hijacking of a station's security systems - terrorism Annexing several decks of said station and welding shut the doors - terrorism Terrorism is just type of warfare targeted on terrifying enemy forces. I consider this type of warfare cheap and not professional, because it won't work against professional military units, that are impervious to frightening and will continue operation regardless.
What you have listed are professionally conducted operations, that were targeted at achieving a directly set goal, that doesn't include frightening something or somebody.
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Nicolas Merovech
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
49
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:00:00 -
[70] - Quote
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:I am curious what demanded the Navy's involvement. Has there been any statement from the CEP as to why they felt they needed to intervene in this case?
They found their opportunity to bring stability to the State, it seems.
Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech Warrant Officer The Synenose Accord |

Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
172
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:09:00 -
[71] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Stitcher wrote:The theft of naval assets by an unauthorized party - terrorism The planned invasion of a foreign power in violation of the Yulai treaty - terrorism The hijacking of a station's security systems - terrorism Annexing several decks of said station and welding shut the doors - terrorism Terrorism is just type of warfare targeted on terrifying enemy forces. I consider this type of warfare cheap and not professional, because it won't work against professional military units, that are impervious to frightening and will continue operation regardless. What you have listed are professionally conducted operations, that were targeted at achieving a directly set goal, that doesn't include frightening something or somebody.
I couldn't agree more. The label of "terrorism" is simply being applied here to produce a certain response among the population.
Looking at the way this discussion is going, applying this label was a success... Bio and writing |

Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
993
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:11:00 -
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Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security wishes to take this opportunity to re-iterate and clarify its division of authority.
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security (LDRSS) is a security subsidiary of Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic (LDRBC), which is a full member of the Lai Dai Corporation Group. Lai Dai Corporation is a major shareholder of the Caldari Executive Panel and as such, requires all subsidiaries and holdings to comply with the dictates of the CEP and any authority vested with the power of same.
As such: The executive board of LDRSS, in communication with LDRBC directorship, has requested the LDRSS Executor, Pilot Scherezad, to comply with the CEP and Caldari Navy in all circumstances. Further, it has clarified that the recent CEP statement has indicated a vote of no-confidence in Executor Tibus Heth. This is not the same as a removal of powers vested in Executor Tibus Heth, however.
LDRSS will follow all direction of the Caldari Navy, CEP, and authority figures within LDPS. Further, LDRSS will afford all reasonable respect to the office of the Executor and the person who holds same. In the case of conflict between these two directives, LDRSS is directed to side with the will of the CEP and Lai Dai Corporation.
Executor Scherezad Lai Dai Kektimi Taashetiiro Tsusuvione - Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
360
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:13:00 -
[73] - Quote
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:It seems incredibly imprudent for the Kaalakiota board to remain silent as their CEO is declared a terrorist by the CEP and appears to have finally lost the remaining sanity to he had. I can't imagine I'm the only one watching their stock value plummet like a rock and waiting to buy at bargain prices.
Considering that Home Guard troops are evidently involved in this standoff on the side of the the CEP, and I haven't heard of any objection from Kaalakiota's CEP delegation to these actions, their silence is rather perfunctory at this point. Perhaps they should just tell everyone what they already suspect and tell us who is actually in charge in Nonni.
Hard for the Kaalakiota Board to object to anything when most of them are probably Provists appointed by the Executor himself. |

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
817
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:14:00 -
[74] - Quote
DSTON is deploying the DSS Safe Harbor to Haatomo be available for rescue operations if needed. We hope there will be no violence and calm and restrained tempers will rule the situation. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
540
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:16:00 -
[75] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:I think that Heth is himself more motivated by Gallentean hatred than by proletariat idealism, Miss Priano.
Agreed. I dare say that we've had this conversation before, in fact. |

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
155
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:17:00 -
[76] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Hard for the Kaalakiota Board to object to anything when most of them are probably Provists appointed by the Executor himself. Corporate boards are appointed by the shareholders, not the CEO. I do not think most of the Kaalakiota board was ever made up of Provists, which made their decisions even more baffling. As far as I am aware, Tibus Heth is not a majority shareholder in KK either, only in Caldari Constructions (and no doubt there are a great many lawyers looking for any reason to end that particular issue at this moment).
It is clear already that Tibus Heth is no longer in charge of Kaalakiota, considering the corporation's actions over the last few days. The question is then...who is in charge? |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
360
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:29:00 -
[77] - Quote
Svetlana Scarlet wrote: Corporate boards are appointed by the shareholders, not the CEO. I do not think most of the Kaalakiota board was ever made up of Provists, which made their decisions even more baffling. As far as I am aware, Tibus Heth is not a majority shareholder in KK either, only in Caldari Constructions (and no doubt there are a great many lawyers looking for any reason to end that particular issue at this moment).
It is clear already that Tibus Heth is no longer in charge of Kaalakiota, considering the corporation's actions over the last few days. The question is then...who is in charge?
Of course they are and Heth-haan owns a significant stake in Kaalakiota interests and this might be presumption on my part, but the whole affair in New Caldari a few months back in addition to the, "Investigations" into, "Executives involved" in the, "Illegal massacre" of Kaalakiota employees would have probably changed management structures.
As for who is charge right now of Kaalakiota and more importantly, the Home Guard? I honestly have no idea, but I do hope that Ms. Haatakan Oiritsuu will be re-appointed to lead Kaalakiota back on the course it requires in the interim.
Present circumstances certainly makes discerning where my own contractual obligations must lie without Oiritsuu-haani.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
465
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:It seems incredibly imprudent for the Kaalakiota board to remain silent as their CEO is declared a terrorist by the CEP and appears to have finally lost the remaining sanity to he had. I can't imagine I'm the only one watching their stock value plummet like a rock and waiting to buy at bargain prices.
Considering that Home Guard troops are evidently involved in this standoff on the side of the the CEP, and I haven't heard of any objection from Kaalakiota's CEP delegation to these actions, their silence is rather perfunctory at this point. Perhaps they should just tell everyone what they already suspect and tell us who is actually in charge in Nonni.
DECLARED TERRORIST?
AND WHAT?
Really. And what? You can declare ME terrorist, if you want. WHAT IT WILL CHANGE? Really? That I will try to terrorize your crew? Possible. But not likely, because I prefer more professional approach. I would simply destroy them - no terrorism needed. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
465
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:35:00 -
[79] - Quote
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Stitcher wrote:The theft of naval assets by an unauthorized party - terrorism The planned invasion of a foreign power in violation of the Yulai treaty - terrorism The hijacking of a station's security systems - terrorism Annexing several decks of said station and welding shut the doors - terrorism Terrorism is just type of warfare targeted on terrifying enemy forces. I consider this type of warfare cheap and not professional, because it won't work against professional military units, that are impervious to frightening and will continue operation regardless. What you have listed are professionally conducted operations, that were targeted at achieving a directly set goal, that doesn't include frightening something or somebody. I couldn't agree more. The label of "terrorism" is simply being applied here to produce a certain response among the population. Looking at the way this discussion is going, applying this label was a success... I must add, that only among STUPID population. |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2854
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:44:00 -
[80] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:DECLARED TERRORIST?
AND WHAT?
Really. And what? You can declare ME terrorist, if you want. WHAT IT WILL CHANGE? Really? That I will try to terrorize your crew? Possible. But not likely, because I prefer more professional approach. I would simply destroy them - no terrorism needed. By all means, continue to make threats of violence towards Pyre-Falcon.
However it turns out, it's sure to be entertaining. Mane 614
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
157
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Posted - 2013.06.11 17:45:00 -
[81] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Of course they are and Heth-haan owns a significant stake in Kaalakiota interests and this might be presumption on my part, but the whole affair in New Caldari a few months back in addition to the, "Investigations" into, "Executives involved" in the, "Illegal massacre" of Kaalakiota employees would have probably changed management structures.
As for who is charge right now of Kaalakiota and more importantly, the Home Guard? I honestly have no idea, but I do hope that Ms. Haatakan Oiritsuu will be re-appointed to lead Kaalakiota back on the course it requires in the interim.
Present circumstances certainly makes discerning where my own contractual obligations must lie without Oiritsuu-haani.
As far as I am aware, you are incorrect; I do not believe Tibus Heth owns any stake in Kaalakiota itself, only in Caldari Constructions, though of course my or his allies may own some though intermediaries. On the other hand, if they do, it isn't enough to deter the corporation from now participating in his own destruction.
As far as Oiritsuu-haani...well, considering her past performance I am not sure that reappointing her as CEO would give much of a boost of confidence to investors. She does not seem to have a particularly good grasp the political realities of running the corporation, seeing as how easily she was apparently toppled.
As far as what "terrorist" connotates in this circumstance, the fact that it means that Tibus Heth and the Provists under his command are not acting with any legitimate authority according to the CEP and the CBT is enough -- they are criminals and nothing else, and they should be dealt with as such. |

Per Bastet
B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition
28
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:02:00 -
[82] - Quote
I say Place some Breaching Charges on the Airlocks and Blow them, after the Power gets cut to the Emergency Systems. They already closed and Sealed all the doors to the rest of the station, then Heth will have no air left in his balloon of hot air. "Whether the paranoid conspiracy theory community has had a separate trial process and decided other crazy batshit insane garbage was true I can't attest to as I don't subscribe to that mailing list and instead deal in the realm of fact."-á - CCP Sreegs, 2013 |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
520
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:07:00 -
[83] - Quote
When you retire, Kim, you should become a historical revisionist. You seem very adept at changing facts and redefining words to fit your worldview.
Heth has taken actions against the state by attacking and trying to coerce citizens of the Caldari State with the stated goal of "taking back Caldari Prime" a planet mostly under control of the State. If he were planning to attack Ishukone districts that is an attack on the State, if he is planning on attacking Gallante districts, then he is in violation of a treaty signed by the CEP, that he, as the CEO of Kalaakiota, is legally bound to uphold.
However you want to define "terrorist", Heth is still a criminal. Being a leader does not automatically make ones actions, right, just or legal, and Heth's claim to leadership of the State is dubious at best since the final authority in the State is legally the CEP. We don't live in some barbaric society where people can abuse their power to do anything they want and get anything they want, and we don't live in some magical universe where the people at the top are somehow inhumanly unfallible. |

Eric 'Swiftmind' Siraron
EVE University Ivy League
9
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
Was the media actually correct about a Caldari civil war? Could this be the start of something greater? Only time will tell.
I am glade I am far away from Caldari regions. Eric 'Swiftmind' Siraron Gallente Federation Engineering, research, business student at the prestigious Eve University. Owner of Swiftly Processing.-áA private mining, refining and trading business. |

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
157
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:29:00 -
[85] - Quote
Eric 'Swiftmind' Siraron wrote:Was the media actually correct about a Caldari civil war? Could this be the start of something greater? Only time will tell. This is not a war. It is law enforcement. |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
361
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:43:00 -
[86] - Quote
Svetlana Scarlet wrote: As far as I am aware, you are incorrect; I do not believe Tibus Heth owns any stake in Kaalakiota itself, only in Caldari Constructions, though of course my or his allies may own some though intermediaries. On the other hand, if they do, it isn't enough to deter the corporation from now participating in his own destruction.
As far as Oiritsuu-haani...well, considering her past performance I am not sure that reappointing her as CEO would give much of a boost of confidence to investors. She does not seem to have a particularly good grasp the political realities of running the corporation, seeing as how easily she was apparently toppled.
As far as what "terrorist" connotates in this circumstance, the fact that it means that Tibus Heth and the Provists under his command are not acting with any legitimate authority according to the CEP and the CBT is enough -- they are criminals and nothing else, and they should be dealt with as such.
Ownership in Kaalakiota interests does in fact extend to its subsidiary elements, and the actual method in which Heth-haan's means of leveraging his CC stock into a CEO position of KK has certainly been a point of interest for myself even if it has been kept rather opaque the past five years by about every securities exchange in the State.
And if you are to judge Oiritsuu-haani's qualifications to lead based solely on her inability to retain her position in the face of the rise of Caldari Providence Directorate, well, you would have to make the same sort of judgements in being unable to grasp political realities of the entire CEP for their inability to prevent ceding their strategic control to a sole Executor.
One might even commend Oiritsuu-haani for having the convictions in her duty to Kaalakiota in ordering the shots to be fired on Piak five years ago even if it was unpopular at the time. Regrets only that the Home Guard marksmen who were ordered to pull the triggers did not have better aim. |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
524
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:49:00 -
[87] - Quote
Any claims of a civil war by the media are just over-sensationalized headlines by news organizations desperate for viewership. |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
2854
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:52:00 -
[88] - Quote
I entirely agree. Ironically enough, most Caldari are far too civil to have a civil war. Mane 614
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
159
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Posted - 2013.06.11 18:55:00 -
[89] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Ownership in Kaalakiota interests does in fact extend to its subsidiary elements, and the actual method in which Heth-haan's means of leveraging his CC stock into a CEO position of KK has certainly been a point of interest for myself even if it has been kept rather opaque the past five years by about every securities exchange in the State. I am saying that I know he owns a majority of Caldari Constructions stock, and therefore, barring extraordinary legal means, I do not believe his position there is assailable. On the other hand, as far as I am aware, he has no such standing when it comes to Kaalakiota. Owning a significant number of shares of a former Kaalakiota subsidiary does not confer any standing when it comes to Kaalakiota itself.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:And if you are to judge Oiritsuu-haani's qualifications to lead based solely on her inability to retain her position in the face of the rise of Caldari Providence Directorate, well, you would have to make the same sort of judgements in being unable to grasp political realities of the entire CEP for their inability to prevent ceding their strategic control to a sole Executor. If you are unaware with my statements previous, allow me to inform you -- my opinion of the CEP, and their foolish and cowardly actions in allowing the CPD to hijack and destroy the institutions and integrity of the State over the last four years, is entirely consistent with my opinion of Oiritsuu-haani. While I have great respect for Reppola-haan, and understand that he was placed in a poor position due to the inaction of the Ishukone board for a year, even he has failed miserably when it has come to preserving the rule of law in the State.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:One might even commend Oiritsuu-haani for having the convictions in her duty to Kaalakiota in ordering the shots to be fired on Piak five years ago even if it was unpopular at the time. Regrets only that the Home Guard marksmen who were ordered to pull the triggers did not have better aim. The number of mistakes made by Kaalakiota and Caldari Constructions on that day (and in allowing the situation to reach that point) are numerous. Kaalakiota handled that whole situation extremely poorly, in not controlling the media portrayal of that incident and also in attempting to resolve the matter in the most heavyhanded and counterproductive way possible. There is nothing laudable about how that was handled. |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
367
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:31:00 -
[90] - Quote
Svetlana Scarlet wrote: I am saying that I know he owns a majority of Caldari Constructions stock, and therefore, barring extraordinary legal means, I do not believe his position there is assailable. On the other hand, as far as I am aware, he has no such standing when it comes to Kaalakiota. Owning a significant number of shares of a former Kaalakiota subsidiary does not confer any standing when it comes to Kaalakiota itself.
Did I not just say as much when I specifically stated:
"...actual method in which Heth-haan's means of leveraging his CC stock into a CEO position of KK has certainly been a point of interest for myself even if it has been kept rather opaque the past five years by about every securities exchange in the State."
Or are you seeking to be contrary for the sake of it?
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:If you are unaware with my statements previous, allow me to inform you -- my opinion of the CEP, and their foolish and cowardly actions in allowing the CPD to hijack and destroy the institutions and integrity of the State over the last four years, is entirely consistent with my opinion of Oiritsuu-haani. While I have great respect for Reppola-haan, and understand that he was placed in a poor position due to the inaction of the Ishukone board for a year, even he has failed miserably when it has come to preserving the rule of law in the State.
I might take another position as to the decisions of Oiritsuu-haani and the CEP: Given the very real risk of internal revolt and the instability presented by the popular revolution the CPD represented, far better to quiet the tongue until such time a situation presents itself that re-asserting control of rightful CEP authority can be met with chance of success. At times when must know when to wear the proper masks to meet the demands of the times. What you may perceive as inaction was simply the requirements to act wisely and with patience, and perhaps the reason why the men and women who sit on the CEP are there and you do not is because they have wisdom to know when to divorce their personal feelings to achieve what they must for those whom they are obligated to and the State.
They at least have done their duty under difficult political circumstances to achieve what they can for the past five years and they, along with many citizens of the State have had to bite their tongues because they could not afford the luxuries of being a capsuleer who can simply engage in consequence-free diatribe under CONCORD regulations in null-sec space because they didn't personally agree with the CPD.
Must be a trend among Liberals.
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:The number of mistakes made by Kaalakiota and Caldari Constructions on that day (and in allowing the situation to reach that point) are numerous. Kaalakiota handled that whole situation extremely poorly, in not controlling the media portrayal of that incident and also in attempting to resolve the matter in the most heavyhanded and counterproductive way possible. There is nothing laudable about how that was handled.
I often find little laudable about Federal political pundits who enjoy nothing more than to express their own beliefs in their superior judgement while having the luxuries of twenty-twenty hindsight and free from the actual burdens of political or corporate management and leadership in the State.
No doubt we'd all do it better sitting in the comforts of our armchairs after the fact.
You might disagree with the orders Oiritsuu-haani gave to the Home Guard on Piak five years ago as, "Heavy-handed" but I disagree, because it showed the willingness to act decisively against a legitimate threat to lawful corporate authority and the fact is that if the Home Guard and executed their orders as duty demanded of them then, we wouldn't even have to be dealing with the situation in Haatamo today.
I much prefer a leader who is willing to act and utilize any means at their disposal to preserve the rule of law without reservation and without mercy in the interests of the Greater Good of the Company than an indecisive and hesitant one who seeks to play to the love and adulation of the crowds for that at least shows strength and conviction to be admired. |
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