The Provists have siezed the Caldari Constructions station.

Elements of the Templis Dragonaurs are speaking on behalf of Heth. A Caldari Navy taskforce operating under orders from the CEP is demanding access, and being refused.

I am bantering with the Templis Dragonaur pilot. He is not very good at it.

I am curious what demanded the Navy's involvement. Has there been any statement from the CEP as to why they felt they needed to intervene in this case?

The situation was tight, but, luckily, the Navy ships were withdrawn without committing the treason.

Soon the Federation will feel the wrath of Caldari!

Something about this doesn't smell right. I recommend all capsuleers exercise extreme caution and maintain surveillance of Amarrian fleet movements.

Something about this doesn't smell right. I recommend all capsuleers exercise extreme caution and maintain surveillance of Amarrian fleet movements.

Heth's actions being a prelude to an Amarrian invasion of Federation space is about as likely as a Jove jumping out of a cake for my next birthday party and doing a strip dance for all my guests.

Mr. Karris,

A peacekeeper unwilling to take action against either party in a conflict is merely a spectator.

Mr. Karris,

A peacekeeper unwilling to take action against either party in a conflict is merely a spectator.

How fast and hard, this descent.

Heth's actions being a prelude to an Amarrian invasion of Federation space is about as likely as a Jove jumping out of a cake for my next birthday party and doing a strip dance for all my guests.

Something about this doesn't smell right. I recommend all capsuleers exercise extreme caution and maintain surveillance of Amarrian fleet movements.

As much as that would be a terrible event, I cannot imagine an event that would better remedy the current tensions between the Federation and Republic than the Empire playing into their reputation for villainy by overstepping their bounds.

Ma'dame Hanaya, while I am loath to agree with Juilanus, his observation has merit.

He didn't imply that the Amarr would be invading the... Federation.

As much as people keep calling the Empire "the violent and evil conqueror of the peaceful nations around", truth is that it's been many years since we last invaded other state's sovereign space. As things stand, I'd fear a Minmatarr invasion more than an amarrian one, currently the Caldari are the only power they haven't invaded in the last five years.

But, setting this aside, these events trouble me. I don't like the way this is going, and as much as I believe Heth is an unrightful ruler for the State, this ending may bring no good to anyone.

I see.

Let me amend my previous statement then.

"... a Jove leaping out of by birthday cake and doing a strip dance while Julianus Soter manages to express an intelligent, meaningful thought."

I am so terribly wounded by some mid-level Ishuk-Raata scourge of non-capsuleer pirates calling me an imbecile.

But since there are real human lives at stake here, I'll put aside it aside, and clarify my statement.

CAESA. The Caldari-Amarrian Economic Stimulus Agreement. Someone better start digging up the bylaws and start figuring out how to fight a war on two fronts, against Heth and the Empress.

Nemo-haan;

Currently, to my knowledge, the State authorizes mandatory military service for all citizens, to create a large pool of able-bodied, trained reservists in case of war. It's also my understanding that Heth remains CEO of Caldari Constructions, as he bought out significant portions of the company's stock during the worker uprising at one of its armor forges, some years ago.

That said, these actions seem to indicate that he no longer retains operational control of the company, hence his effort to step outside the chain of command to mobilize Caldari workers.

Wiseman-haani;

It is sufficient to act in defense of those who do not escalate the situation. War is just when pursued in defense of self, or those under one's guardianship. If Heth's forces initiate combat against the CEP or Caldari Navy, whose legitimacy cannot be questioned, then it is as an attack against the Caldari citizenry.

For now, I will stay in the designated system to protect interests of the State, her citizens and the Executor, until I will be required elsewhere for military operation, or will be relieved from duty by superior officer.

Update - Heth and his cronies have just been called out as terrorists by the CEP.

Update - Heth and his cronies have just been called out as terrorists by the CEP.

And this may seem an alien concept, but merely being somebody's enemy is not an obstacle to respecting them, nor is it a reason to slaughter them. The Federation absolutely are the State's enemies - we're at war with them after all - but the relationship is a strange one, fuelled in some part by mutual respect.

We're only bitter enemies if we choose to be, and on this matter the Provists have chosen they wish to be myopic black-and-white thinkers who think that the only emotion to feel for an enemy is hatred. I'm proud of my people that most of us are able to have a more nuanced dynamic with them. We can be enemies without descending into murderous loathing.

Why, we were enjoying a century of peace (if an uneasy one) before Heth managed to ruin it all. We were even on the verge of signing a free trade agreement, the first since the outbreak of the Gallente-Caldari war.

If we have so much respect for each other, why not let something good come out of it? The first step would beridding our governments of the people who are willing to condemn billions to oblivion to support their own agenda. First on the list would clearly be Tibus Heth, though I will say, there are plenty in the Federation who are similar to that putrid man.

Maybe when we first captured Caldari Prime was terrorism too?

When we were defending CN Shiigeru against gallentean attack, was it terrorism too?

When we captured Intaki, and all other federal systems, was it terrorism?

We are at WAR, and gallente are our enemies!
We must fight them to protect our homes, our relatives, our citizens and our corporations!

The theft of naval assets by an unauthorized party - terrorism
The planned invasion of a foreign power in violation of the Yulai treaty - terrorism
The hijacking of a station's security systems - terrorism
Annexing several decks of said station and welding shut the doors - terrorism

I am curious what demanded the Navy's involvement. Has there been any statement from the CEP as to why they felt they needed to intervene in this case?

Terrorism is just type of warfare targeted on terrifying enemy forces.
I consider this type of warfare cheap and not professional, because it won't work against professional military units, that are impervious to frightening and will continue operation regardless.

What you have listed are professionally conducted operations, that were targeted at achieving a directly set goal, that doesn't include frightening something or somebody.

It seems incredibly imprudent for the Kaalakiota board to remain silent as their CEO is declared a terrorist by the CEP and appears to have finally lost the remaining sanity to he had. I can't imagine I'm the only one watching their stock value plummet like a rock and waiting to buy at bargain prices.

Considering that Home Guard troops are evidently involved in this standoff on the side of the the CEP, and I haven't heard of any objection from Kaalakiota's CEP delegation to these actions, their silence is rather perfunctory at this point. Perhaps they should just tell everyone what they already suspect and tell us who is actually in charge in Nonni.

I think that Heth is himself more motivated by Gallentean hatred than by proletariat idealism, Miss Priano.

Hard for the Kaalakiota Board to object to anything when most of them are probably Provists appointed by the Executor himself.

Corporate boards are appointed by the shareholders, not the CEO. I do not think most of the Kaalakiota board was ever made up of Provists, which made their decisions even more baffling. As far as I am aware, Tibus Heth is not a majority shareholder in KK either, only in Caldari Constructions (and no doubt there are a great many lawyers looking for any reason to end that particular issue at this moment).

It is clear already that Tibus Heth is no longer in charge of Kaalakiota, considering the corporation's actions over the last few days. The question is then...who is in charge?

It seems incredibly imprudent for the Kaalakiota board to remain silent as their CEO is declared a terrorist by the CEP and appears to have finally lost the remaining sanity to he had. I can't imagine I'm the only one watching their stock value plummet like a rock and waiting to buy at bargain prices.

Considering that Home Guard troops are evidently involved in this standoff on the side of the the CEP, and I haven't heard of any objection from Kaalakiota's CEP delegation to these actions, their silence is rather perfunctory at this point. Perhaps they should just tell everyone what they already suspect and tell us who is actually in charge in Nonni.

I couldn't agree more. The label of "terrorism" is simply being applied here to produce a certain response among the population.

Looking at the way this discussion is going, applying this label was a success...

DECLARED TERRORIST?

AND WHAT?

Really. And what?
You can declare ME terrorist, if you want. WHAT IT WILL CHANGE? Really?
That I will try to terrorize your crew? Possible. But not likely, because I prefer more professional approach.
I would simply destroy them - no terrorism needed.

Of course they are and Heth-haan owns a significant stake in Kaalakiota interests and this might be presumption on my part, but the whole affair in New Caldari a few months back in addition to the, "Investigations" into, "Executives involved" in the, "Illegal massacre" of Kaalakiota employees would have probably changed management structures.

As for who is charge right now of Kaalakiota and more importantly, the Home Guard? I honestly have no idea, but I do hope that Ms. Haatakan Oiritsuu will be re-appointed to lead Kaalakiota back on the course it requires in the interim.

Present circumstances certainly makes discerning where my own contractual obligations must lie without Oiritsuu-haani.

Was the media actually correct about a Caldari civil war? Could this be the start of something greater? Only time will tell.

As far as I am aware, you are incorrect; I do not believe Tibus Heth owns any stake in Kaalakiota itself, only in Caldari Constructions, though of course my or his allies may own some though intermediaries. On the other hand, if they do, it isn't enough to deter the corporation from now participating in his own destruction.

As far as Oiritsuu-haani...well, considering her past performance I am not sure that reappointing her as CEO would give much of a boost of confidence to investors. She does not seem to have a particularly good grasp the political realities of running the corporation, seeing as how easily she was apparently toppled.

As far as what "terrorist" connotates in this circumstance, the fact that it means that Tibus Heth and the Provists under his command are not acting with any legitimate authority according to the CEP and the CBT is enough -- they are criminals and nothing else, and they should be dealt with as such.

Ownership in Kaalakiota interests does in fact extend to its subsidiary elements, and the actual method in which Heth-haan's means of leveraging his CC stock into a CEO position of KK has certainly been a point of interest for myself even if it has been kept rather opaque the past five years by about every securities exchange in the State.

And if you are to judge Oiritsuu-haani's qualifications to lead based solely on her inability to retain her position in the face of the rise of Caldari Providence Directorate, well, you would have to make the same sort of judgements in being unable to grasp political realities of the entire CEP for their inability to prevent ceding their strategic control to a sole Executor.

One might even commend Oiritsuu-haani for having the convictions in her duty to Kaalakiota in ordering the shots to be fired on Piak five years ago even if it was unpopular at the time. Regrets only that the Home Guard marksmen who were ordered to pull the triggers did not have better aim.

I am saying that I know he owns a majority of Caldari Constructions stock, and therefore, barring extraordinary legal means, I do not believe his position there is assailable. On the other hand, as far as I am aware, he has no such standing when it comes to Kaalakiota. Owning a significant number of shares of a former Kaalakiota subsidiary does not confer any standing when it comes to Kaalakiota itself.

If you are unaware with my statements previous, allow me to inform you -- my opinion of the CEP, and their foolish and cowardly actions in allowing the CPD to hijack and destroy the institutions and integrity of the State over the last four years, is entirely consistent with my opinion of Oiritsuu-haani. While I have great respect for Reppola-haan, and understand that he was placed in a poor position due to the inaction of the Ishukone board for a year, even he has failed miserably when it has come to preserving the rule of law in the State.

The number of mistakes made by Kaalakiota and Caldari Constructions on that day (and in allowing the situation to reach that point) are numerous. Kaalakiota handled that whole situation extremely poorly, in not controlling the media portrayal of that incident and also in attempting to resolve the matter in the most heavyhanded and counterproductive way possible. There is nothing laudable about how that was handled.

Gesakaarin-haani, jibes against fellow citizens of the State because of a mere disagreement on methods are unbecoming of you. We all wish to serve the State as well as possible. We merely differ on how we believe this may be best achieved.

Did I not just say as much when I specifically stated:

"...actual method in which Heth-haan's means of leveraging his CC stock into a CEO position of KK has certainly been a point of interest for myself even if it has been kept rather opaque the past five years by about every securities exchange in the State."

Or are you seeking to be contrary for the sake of it?

I might take another position as to the decisions of Oiritsuu-haani and the CEP: Given the very real risk of internal revolt and the instability presented by the popular revolution the CPD represented, far better to quiet the tongue until such time a situation presents itself that re-asserting control of rightful CEP authority can be met with chance of success. At times when must know when to wear the proper masks to meet the demands of the times. What you may perceive as inaction was simply the requirements to act wisely and with patience, and perhaps the reason why the men and women who sit on the CEP are there and you do not is because they have wisdom to know when to divorce their personal feelings to achieve what they must for those whom they are obligated to and the State.

They at least have done their duty under difficult political circumstances to achieve what they can for the past five years and they, along with many citizens of the State have had to bite their tongues because they could not afford the luxuries of being a capsuleer who can simply engage in consequence-free diatribe under CONCORD regulations in null-sec space because they didn't personally agree with the CPD.

You might disagree with the orders Oiritsuu-haani gave to the Home Guard on Piak five years ago as, "Heavy-handed" but I disagree, because it showed the willingness to act decisively against a legitimate threat to lawful corporate authority and the fact is that if the Home Guard and executed their orders as duty demanded of them then, we wouldn't even have to be dealing with the situation in Haatamo today.

I much prefer a leader who is willing to act and utilize any means at their disposal to preserve the rule of law without reservation and without mercy in the interests of the Greater Good of the Company than an indecisive and hesitant one who seeks to play to the love and adulation of the crowds for that at least shows strength and conviction to be admired.

I think that Heth is himself more motivated by Gallentean hatred than by proletariat idealism, Miss Priano.

This is not a war. It is law enforcement.

I support Heth's stance to retake Caldari Prime.

What is going on?
Are their in their mind?
To call military operation a "terrorism"?
Maybe when we first captured Caldari Prime was terrorism too?
When we were defending CN Shiigeru against gallentean attack, was it terrorism too?
When we captured Intaki, and all other federal systems, was it terrorism?

Do they even know, what 'terrorism' is at all?
We are at WAR, and gallente are our enemies!
We must fight them to protect our homes, our relatives, our citizens and our corporations!
You can't be protected, if you call those, who are fighting for you terrorists.

Our enemy is out there, in the Luminaire, and in the Villore, not in CC station. It is OUR forces that occupy our station, and these forces are fighting for ALL OF OUR CITIZENS! For whole our future!

We shouldn't fight among each other. There are gallente scumbags to shoot at!

So, lets gather all together and smash them down, so hard, so they will never raise their greedy hands again at our property and our lives!

For the State! For Heth! For Victory !!

It doesn't work like that. We shoot them, they complain. They shoot us, we complain, etc. It doesn't work like that at ALL for anyone who has half a brain. Who the hell are you to say, as a member of the Federation, that someone doesn't have the RIGHT to complain about the destruction brought upon their own people from a war led by a madman holding a station hostage? Where the HELL do you think you have the authority to tell them what to do?

The CPD and TD are an issue, fine. But don't curse the whole of the State for the actions of the few.

All those loyal to the State join Heth and the provists.

First if we have to we will win the battle of Haatomo and then we move on to New Caldari Prime to remove Federation control of our home planet.

We will follow Heth to New Caldari Prime. Heth the Victor.

Do you recall, Anslo, five years ago when this war began? I do.
Putting it short, the whole of the State was all to happy to engage in this war and for a time, they enjoyed the fruits of their successful annexation of our lands. MY HOME may not have suffered much. But it's only the tip of the iceberg here. There are billions of people across the war-zone that can inform you of how kind and merciful the State's forces were to those they had pressed under their boots.

First of all, I want weeping State-apologist Federals like you to wake up and smell the hypocrisy of lamenting the Federation's 'meddling in State affairs' when that same State has numerous crimes to account for. It's all well and good to be angry that we are meddlesome when the target of that unwanted attention is blameless, but that is not the reality here. I would like you, and every other apologist out there to keep this in mind and realize this war has two sides, and that if you must cry about it, crying for only one is naive at best, foolish at worst.

Secondly I want to see there be a measure of closure for both sides in the war if we are going to end it at all. From where I'm sitting I will ultimately have few problems with keeping the war alive for decades or centuries to come. It is a war of attrition and one we can easily win. It would however be utterly wasteful as far as lives are concerned and I am not arrogant enough to assume that just because I won't have a problem with handling it, the rest of the Union will have no problems either. They will. If the people had to vote for either resolving this war in an honorable manner in a couple of years or go on fighting like this for the next century or two, I'm confident we all know what option will be chosen, even if option two was guaranteed to end in victory and the end of the State's existence.

Let me clarify on closure - simply put, the resolving of any and all outstanding grievances between our nations, far as they can be resolved. To begin with, the State can return the millions they kidnapped from the transports leaving State space half a decade ago, and reimburse the other millions they robbed blind at the same time. That would be a good start. I'm confident the State has their terms for us, and at the end of it, when it's all done, THEN we can have a peace treaty signed, and ratified, and honored.

Until that day Anslo, until that day I have no sympathy at all for any complaints the State could ever raise against us, and even less so for Federals who buy into them. The State made their bed when they declared war on and invaded us, now, they lie in it. It is not our problem nor our fault that it's a very uncomfortable place to be.

All those loyal to the State join Heth and the provists.

First if we have to we will win the battle of Haatomo and then we move on to New Caldari Prime to remove Federation control of our home planet.

We will follow Heth to New Caldari Prime. Heth the Victor.

I want this war to end, but before that I want two more things.

You make war upon the CEP and the Navy. Just what State are you fighting for?

You know, what shall be done to end this war.

Federation must be destroyed.

It's people like you two that makes painting the State in a good like hard...

Not going to happen outside of your vivid delusions.

Get help.

It's people like you two that makes painting the State in a good like hard...

Federation zealot get on your knees and grovel you scum.

What's the easiest thing to spot in any decent stew?

The scum on the surface.

We've all got our nutcases. The Provists are just currently taking the biscuit for bloodyminded and loudmouthed idiocy.

Our leaders are supposed to lead, not be held captive to the mob. This is not the Federation or the Republic. This was a man who was a glorified forklift operator two months before he "took" power -- in that for no apparent reason they handed over the reins of the State to an unqualified moron. How many billions of our fellow Caldari have suffered because of that mistake? How many trillions of ISK have been burn in perpetuating this absurd situation?

I prefer a leader that realizes that force is not the most effective method in maintaining control, but a last resort. The inability of Kaalakiota to control the media in the wake of that incident and their panic in dumping Caldari Constructions stock is what got us into this whole mess. Wiser minds would have dealt with the whole situation quietly -- and permanently.

Federation zealot get on your knees and grovel you scum.

it's the use of an archetypically Gallentean ship that amuses me the most. Flying the Provist flag while piloting a Dominix of all things is just absurd.

it's the use of an archetypically Gallentean ship that amuses me the most. Flying the Provist flag while piloting a Dominix of all things is just absurd.

it's the use of an archetypically Gallentean ship that amuses me the most. Flying the Provist flag while piloting a Dominix of all things is just absurd.

I see a contradiction in insinuating cowardice on the part of the CEP in making compromises with the CPD and then stating you prefer leaders who will not resort to violence. Given the political and economic situation five years ago, the only alternative to political compromise with the CPD would in fact have been to put down the New Meritocracy by force and to enter into a period of internal unrest until lawful corporate authority was restored in the face of insurrection. Now, if the mobilization order had been given to put down the New Meritocrats just the same as the order had been given to put down the Brothers of Freedom then I would have gladly done so as my duty demanded.

However it was not, and instead the CEP legitimized the formation of the CPD and the office of the Executor, and duty demanded I obey, just as now I will obey the directives of the CEP. While I can understand some of the reasons for such, even if I had my own reservations it was not my place to question but to serve to the best of my ability because I do not live in the Federation or Republic where it is preferred to complain bitterly about the past, engage in, "What could have been," discussion, or partake in historical revisionism, all without actually providing acknowledgement to the requirements of the present day because in the end if wishes were wings we'd all be able to fly, right?

The CEP is supposed to do what is best for the State.

It was their planet first. We had no right taking it from them all those years ago. (1)

Right after we apologize for what we did to them that lead to the first Caldari-Gallente war. I've woken up and seen the hypocrisy in our own home. Maybe it's time you did too. (2)

Signed AFTER we repay our own debts to them for our initial crappy encounters and broker a deal to give them control of Luminaire that both sides are happy with. (3)

And we did the same when we slammed their planet from orbit and killed Gods know how many of their own men, women, and children. Get the hell off your high horse for once and see the situation for what it is. Would Heth have even HATED us if we hadn't been nationalist nuts and attempted to assimilate the Caldari? If we had treated them as equals? If we had let them do their own thing their own way while enjoying the benefits of having such a shrewd ally? (4)

If you don't wanna have sympathy for another human's plight then that's your prerogative. I choose a different path than that of racial and nationalist belligerency. It's time this bullshit ended between the Fed and State. Time to grow up. (5)

So what flavor has Heth selected for his poisoned tea?

Fed lover known as Stitcher has 3.5 billion isk bounty on him. All those loyal to Heth and the Provists good hunting Haatomo if the CEP try to stop us there.

The vast majority of the bounty on Stitcher's head is from angry, bitter, unattractive, deeply insecure men who are upset that he has more female admirers than they do.

Given that list of traits, you must surely be one of his bounty fund's most generous contributors.

The CEP is supposed to do what is best for the State. Can you honestly say their actions of the last five years have been to our benefit? The Kaalakiota board is most to blame of course -- if they had just let Tibus Heth linger as the CEO of Caldari Constructions, and not replaced Oiritsuu-haani with that worthless criminal, then none of this would have happened. Instead, they gave him control of what was once the proudest of Caldari corporations, and he has dashed it against the rocks. The CEP did the same -- and neither has offered any reason to their stockholders and citizens for their foolhardy act.

The difference is that the CEP went out of their way to give this man more power than any other in the State, when this was the entire reason the State was set up the way it was after the Secession. Now we have seen what happens when people forget the wisdom of the State's founders. You and I both know that if this whole nonsense had stopped even with Heth as CEO of Kaalakiota, this war, and the millions of dead as a result, the destruction of the Caldari economy, and everything else that has tarnished the State would never have transpired. Instead, they rejected the entire purpose for having the CEP in the first place and placed the State in the hands of a mad despot.

It is not treason to point out when the law is being broken, or when the wrong decisions are being made. It is expected of us -- an idea must survive in the marketplace just as any other product. If it cannot take fierce criticism, then it should not be. That is our way, not blind obedience.

Thought you were keeping out of this Ixiris.

Situation in Haatomo got nothing to do with Federation zealots.

The fact that you are unable to appreciate the irony in calling me a zealot when I've publicly agreed to stay out of the situation for now and encouraged my countrymen to do so while you're actively sponsoring treason against the Caldari State so that you can execute an illegal invasion of another nation's sovereign territory shows that you are categorically unintelligent, intentionally ignorant, or more likely, both.

Actually...since much of Caldari Prime is under Caldari jurisdiction, he's actually advocating an invasion of the Caldari State.

Counterwise, CEP is supposed to do what is best for each of corporations, that enter the State.

The problem is, that after the State becomes unified, CEP automatically loses all powers. And now they cling to their remaining power as hard as they can, because it is slipping through their fingers.

This is a question of power and authority, that will show what path the State will continue its way: will it be a road to modernization, unification, real meritocracy and victory over Gallente Federation, or it will be descent back to petty warring corporations, tearing Caldari property between separated entities, and the war will continue for unknown amount of time, because degenerated State won't be able to gather enough force to deal with Federation once and forever.

Barely three hundred years ago, the idea of even one space station, let alone one capable of supporting a population in the hundreds of thousands, was pure fiction.

Nowadays we can comfortably describe such a thing as "average" or "everyday". I called it a "backwater" not too long ago (my apologies to anybody who calls Haatomo home, of course).

No observation, I just find it amusing that we can classify a city-sized orbital jammed full of Planck field generators and capable of warding off a coronal mass ejection with contemptuous ease as "ordinary"

You know, what shall be done to end this war.

Federation must be destroyed.

All this being said, I, for one, certainly do not enjoy the idea of an autocratic leader ruling arbitrarily over the entirely of the Caldari State. Their diffuse government of multiple corporations linked together by common interests (and economics) is the very model that I believe will prove itself most successful in the long run for New Eden, as well as the one that we, ourselves, may someday adapt in a slightly different manner (replace "common financial goals" with "singular Faith in God" and you will see what I mean).

Was it really worth losing so much just to say that you held your own Leviathan over Caldari Prime for a little while? Could there have been another way? Could you not have simply brokered a deal to try to buy back the planet from the Federation? Could not the citizens there simply used the Federation's own laws to vote themselves back into the State (Yes, I know my history, and perhaps the Federation would have indeed shown hypocrisy in refusing to acknowledge such a vote, but then you would have demoralized the faith of many Federation citizens in their own system of government - which would have been quite a victory in itself, had it played out that way). Could diplomacy not wait any longer?

Politically speaking, of course, the State would be far better adopting a purely defensive stance when dealing with the Federation. As I had said previously, with their pretense of "cultural enlightenment" and liberalism it automatically becomes a serious loss of face for any Federation politician that goes on the offensive without due cause. While I am certain that a certain Mr.Blaque is perfectly capable of fabricating "due cause" at will, men like him fall in same category as Mr.Heth - and likewise, I believe his time is short as well. The point being, however, is that if you seek to truly defeat the Federation then you must expose the hollowness of their ideology to their own people and then simply sit back and let them do the work for you. It is the fatal weakness of democracy, after all - being at the complete mercy of the masses and all that. To that end, again, a more peaceful, defensive posture would ultimate serve the State far better than any sort of war of aggression.

We need a single autocratic leader just to consolidate the State power and deal with the Federation once and forever. After the Federation will be gone, diffuse government will be better indeed.

I don't think it is possible to win against them in their own game. But it is possible to win against them in our game: game of power, competitions, ruthlessness and combat.

I think the fact that security forces from all eight megas are currently working together to protect Caldari citizens speaks volumes as to what kind of future the Caldari have.

To his credit, Heth gave the Caldari people hope. Sadly, he played upon the fears of the people in order to bring that hope. Now, as they work together against Heth, his own demons - demons that led to a war that rages across all the Empires - have left him with few allies.

I see nothing but hope for a future where a man like Tibus Heth will never again hold sway over the masses. Think about it, Diana. You are giving in to your own demons, and elevating this man above the collective wishes of the State. Instead of fighting for your people, you are waiting to defend a man who has proven time and again his resourcefulness.

I admire your dedication. It is a source of strength for you. It is what gives you courage.Your hope for your people is equally admirable.

Perhaps it is time to show faith in the State you hold so dear.

Lord Karris, have you ever thought, why of all four major nations: Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar, there are only Caldari who weren't engaged in slavery relations? I think we should talk about it later.

Lord Karris, have you ever thought, why of all four major nations: Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar, there are only Caldari who weren't engaged in slavery relations? I think we should talk about it later.

I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting here Diana. Surely you aren't suggesting that the Caldari should enslave the Gallente? Perhaps you could clarify?

Besides, who would want such weak and useless slaves as gallente?

Ah my apologies I didn't pick that up. Not quite sure why mumbo jumbo rituals might be of benefit, but ethical issues aside, I agree with you that slavery has never been an effective means of ensuring efficient production. They lack the necessary motivation.

If you would want to talk about it, feel free to be my guest. I just don't want to discuss it here with all these ugly gallenteans crawling around.

Run and you shall be crushed.
Stand and you shall fall.
Kneel and you shall be saved.

Obviously - no matter what the situation - these are in historic context exactly the wrong words you could throw at any Caldari.

The context in this matter is irrelevant. I see and understand the context.
My point is that this three-liner is extremly badly chosen when addressing any Caldari in an attempt to make him reconsider.

Funny, isn't it, that after all of your defense, it all came down to you bringing up slavery. "At least we're not slavers," in other words, non? I think I know enough about you to know I won't waste any more words on you. Your xenophobia and ignorance is best used as an example of what we all should avoid.

[quote=Amann Karris]I will satisfy your desire to stop further communications with me, Lord Karris, and will consider your invitation void.

The context is far from irrelevant. I do not believe I enraged Miss Kim, nor was that my intent.

Pilot Anslo understands the meaning. I'm sure many others do. It was not meant as an insult, but the response did determine my future interactions with Miss Kim, as your response dictates my future actions toward you. I understand your point of view, and I respect it. However, I shall quote scripture that I feel reflects on the situation, as the situation merits. It is part of my faith to spread the word of the Scripture, and I do so in my own way.

I am an ally of the State. I am a servant of the Empire. I am a citizen of New Eden. My faith is a large part of who I am, and how I interact. If you wish me to understand your culture, to show reverence for it, all I ask is that you try to understand the same regarding mine.

For the record, I believe that slavery is the worst possible way to spread the word of the Scriptures. I feel quite strongly that any who have felt the pain and loss associated with it would agree.

Three words: Death to Heth.

Is Haatomo the loony bin?

Is Haatomo the loony bin? I travelled there yesterday to deliver a battleship for a client. I get there and some blow hard gives me the business: Halt who goes there, friend or foe, what's the password, prepare to be boarded, I challenge ye to a duel ye scurvy dog, etc. When I wouldn't play, he gave me the "green light" to dock. Well, OK.

Your friends aren't helping you, Mr. Heth. If you need a place of peace and quiet and a little alone time from all your mentally unstable friends, feel free to stop in a stay a while at the Hamri Aslylum Center in Yulai. We won't charge you.

Talking about ignorance, do you know, what I consider ignorance? I consider ignorance interpreting other peoples words in complete opposite sense without even trying to understand their meaning.

Despite Heth-haan was removed from the role of the Executor, he remains hero of Caldari people.

I will stay on duty in Haatomo station and in case of any unlawful aggression against Heth-haan or any of his ships from a capsuleer or other entity without proper authorization, I will be protecting Heth-haan as any other State citizen: with my life.

So.

CC is a KK subsidiary.
Heth is an outlaw in all KK territories.
Outlaws have no standing as citizens of the state.
Ergo : While upon that station, Heth is not a legal citizen of the State.

Am I missing anything important here?

The station is far, far too small to contain his reported Armada is it not?

Lord Heth does remain hero of the Caldari people. He is also fully supported by me, and with Diana Kim, I will be stationed at the warehouse and will respond to any aggression against him. I will give my life if necessary.

And who might you be, other than a person who shares a suspiciously similar lingual syntax with Diana Kim - "does remain hero of the Caldari people," "is also fully supported by me?"

I'd suggest expecting the worst instead of jumping on the 'hey guys, it's not that bad, right?' bandwagon.

So.

CC is a KK subsidiary.
Heth is an outlaw in all KK territories.
Outlaws have no standing as citizens of the state.
Ergo : While upon that station, Heth is not a legal citizen of the State.

Am I missing anything important here?

Well said.

Regardless, with the number of capsuleer ships on-site, 100 ships of any size undocking at once would be an overpowering force. Caldari Navy dreadnoughts might not be able to arrive in time. Thankfully we would most likely get reports of Heth's forces making a move to leave the station long before they made their way to the docks. That should give enough time for reinforcements to arrive.

Pilots, news from Haatomo;

The Provists attempted a breakout from the Caldari Construction stations. Several Provist capital ships were destroyed. The remainder have been seized in their hangars. Heth remains at large, possibly on-board the Raven piloted by Tolen Kirakachi. Locators identify him in Otsasai, and freelance pursuit is in progress; no idea whether he'll be there when the pilots arrive. Caldari Navy and CONCORD are considering the Haatomo situation secure, and aren't pursuing.