EVE Search - Situation in Haatomo

All Channels

Intergalactic Summit

Situation in Haatomo

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Amann Karris Karris Security Consulting 13	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:01:00 - [181] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: So. CC is a KK subsidiary. Heth is an outlaw in all KK territories. Outlaws have no standing as citizens of the state. Ergo : While upon that station, Heth is not a legal citizen of the State. Am I missing anything important here? I like it, tongue-in-cheek as it is. One additional consideration. The second he leaves the State things change considerably. DED jurisdiction kicks in, and a lot more resources can be put into apprehending him. Unless another signatory member of CONCORD grants asylum his best bet is to stay where he is. On the other hand: seeing as how he is currently locked down, all the Caldari have to do is wait him out. The ships he has at his disposal are a cause for concern, and if his forces are able to launch simultaneously, I'm fairly certain he could become a serious threat to both the State and the Federation at the very least. DED presence during the initial deployment of security forces shows that both the State and CONCORD are prepared for this potential outcome. DED also has extensive experience with these types of hostage/standoff situations. Capsuleer basic training even includes a quick demonstration of how capsuleers can assist in such operations, though it is possible that neither the Caldari Navy nor DED personnel will require (or ask) for capsuleer assistance.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 21415	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:28:00 - [182] - Quote I am suspecting that the Outlaw does not have such claimed vessels. A cursory glance at his chosen refuge indicates a single Phoenix class Dreadnought protruding from the station. The station is far, far too small to contain his reported Armada is it not? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 206	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:40:00 - [183] - Quote Kirjava wrote: The station is far, far too small to contain his reported Armada is it not? At a vague glance, yes. But then again, have you seen the amount of ships the Caldari Navy station in Jita can hold, at the same time? Looks can be decieving. I'd suggest expecting the worst instead of jumping on the 'hey guys, it's not that bad, right?' bandwagon. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation recruitment open.
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 2999	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:46:00 - [184] - Quote Frenjo Borkstar wrote: Lord Heth does remain hero of the Caldari people. He is also fully supported by me, and with Diana Kim, I will be stationed at the warehouse and will respond to any aggression against him. I will give my life if necessary. And who mgiht you be, other than a person who shares a suspiciously similar lingual syntax with Diana Kim - "does remain hero of the Caldari people," "is also fully supported by me?" Mane 614
Cipher7 Colelie Victims Relief Fund 90	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:05:00 - [185] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Frenjo Borkstar wrote: Lord Heth does remain hero of the Caldari people. He is also fully supported by me, and with Diana Kim, I will be stationed at the warehouse and will respond to any aggression against him. I will give my life if necessary. And who might you be, other than a person who shares a suspiciously similar lingual syntax with Diana Kim - "does remain hero of the Caldari people," "is also fully supported by me?" He might be himself I dunno, just a guess.
Amann Karris Karris Security Consulting 14	Posted - 2013.06.18 16:24:00 - [186] - Quote Leopold Caine wrote: I'd suggest expecting the worst instead of jumping on the 'hey guys, it's not that bad, right?' bandwagon. Well said. Regardless, with the number of capsuleer ships on-site, 100 ships of any size undocking at once would be an overpowering force. Caldari Navy dreadnoughts might not be able to arrive in time. Thankfully we would most likely get reports of Heth's forces making a move to leave the station long before they made their way to the docks. That should give enough time for reinforcements to arrive.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 183	Posted - 2013.06.18 17:07:00 - [187] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: So. CC is a KK subsidiary. Heth is an outlaw in all KK territories. Outlaws have no standing as citizens of the state. Ergo : While upon that station, Heth is not a legal citizen of the State. Am I missing anything important here? This is not entirely correct, but close enough for practical matters.
Xindi Kraid The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est 543	Posted - 2013.06.18 17:32:00 - [188] - Quote Amann Karris wrote: Leopold Caine wrote: I'd suggest expecting the worst instead of jumping on the 'hey guys, it's not that bad, right?' bandwagon. Well said. Regardless, with the number of capsuleer ships on-site, 100 ships of any size undocking at once would be an overpowering force. Caldari Navy dreadnoughts might not be able to arrive in time. Thankfully we would most likely get reports of Heth's forces making a move to leave the station long before they made their way to the docks. That should give enough time for reinforcements to arrive. Indeed, remember that Heth and his Dragonaurs have sealed themselves in and security forces say they have them 'contained'. That means first Heth's group has to remove their barricades then fight up a number of decks to the docking area just to get to their ships. That should give some warning before a launch.
Derin Phobos Sky Fighters Mass Overload 12	Posted - 2013.06.18 17:35:00 - [189] - Quote At this point, I wonder if giving Heth more time to consider his predicament and come up with a plan to maximize damage to everything around him is wise. I can understand the potential hostage situation, but I do not see a prolonged seige ending well either.
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 569	Posted - 2013.06.18 20:53:00 - [190] - Quote Pilots, news from Haatomo; The Provists attempted a breakout from the Caldari Construction stations. Several Provist capital ships were destroyed. The remainder have been seized in their hangars. Heth remains at large, possibly on-board the Raven piloted by Tolen Kirakachi. Locators identify him in Otsasai, and freelance pursuit is in progress; no idea whether he'll be there when the pilots arrive. Caldari Navy and CONCORD are considering the Haatomo situation secure, and aren't pursuing.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 1925	Posted - 2013.06.18 20:59:00 - [191] - Quote Aside from the Raven, what else got out? -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 184	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:03:00 - [192] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots, news from Haatomo; The Provists attempted a breakout from the Caldari Construction stations. Several Provist capital ships were destroyed. The remainder have been seized in their hangars. Heth remains at large, possibly on-board the Raven piloted by Tolen Kirakachi. Locators identify him in Otsasai, and freelance pursuit is in progress; no idea whether he'll be there when the pilots arrive. Caldari Navy and CONCORD are considering the Haatomo situation secure, and aren't pursuing. Sloppy and unfortunate. Hopefully the remaining criminal ships will be stopped and destroyed.
Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 1562	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:21:00 - [193] - Quote Not all enemy successes are a result of friendly failures, Svetlana. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
DutchGunner Emphebion Emperium 13	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:37:00 - [194] - Quote Miss Scarlet, Capsuleer forces were unable to prevent the single Dragonaur pilot to escape, due to the CONCORD rules of engagement. Initial ships scan would suggest that the raven was heavily tanked, so to engage would only result in the present capsuleers ships to be destroyed by CONCORD forces, operating under the Yulai convention. it is unfortunate, but the overall response by both Navy forces and capsuleers was admirable and efficient. DutchGunner, CONCORD Loyalist
Saana Nupuunen Aseyakone 6	Posted - 2013.06.18 21:43:00 - [195] - Quote I can confirm that my IFF did not register Tolen Kirakachi's Raven as weapons-free as he undocked. One may speculate that if there had been interceptors to follow him into lowsec it might have been possible to catch him, but with no intelligence beforehand that would be at best difficult to accomplish. At least the station is now secure. Hopefully the Provists did not run with hostages on board that battleship and innocent bystanders were not hurt in the assault.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 184	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:01:00 - [196] - Quote In that case, it is another case of blatant overreach on the part of CONCORD. Protecting a terrorist and a man which they have acknowledged is a threat to the peace? Disgusting.
DutchGunner Emphebion Emperium 15	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:09:00 - [197] - Quote Miss Scarlet, Once again you are mistaken. This matter has been deemed as a internal affair of the Caldari State. As such, CONCORD has done what it should do and enforce the Yulai convention. This operation was under full supervision of the Caldari Navy, which was acting on orders from the CEP. The Strike Commander from the Caldari Navy has done an admirable job on containing the situation as much as possible. The fact that only one ship managed to slip through says enough. Both on the station and outside there were several battles raging. To keep a good view on what's happening and what needs to be done is extremely hard. Only 7 capital class ships managed to be undocked and none of those escaped and the siege and hostage situation has been ended and Caldari Prime has not come under siege or threat.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 188	Posted - 2013.06.18 22:52:00 - [198] - Quote So CONCORD deems it an internal affair, but won't let capsuleers intercept a spacecraft carrying individuals known to be criminals and terrorists? How very..."convenient." Heth was a man wanted by the Caldari State (and now evidently CONCORD), but despite their rather impressive powers they couldn't figure out how to stop a battleship? If this isn't a sign that CONCORD is rotten to the core, I don't know what is.
Brandi Wiseman Den Sorte Loge 52	Posted - 2013.06.18 23:02:00 - [199] - Quote I agree. Concord's rules of engagement allowed a dangerous terrorist to escape tonight. To cap it all, a DED ship turned up to interfere yet again in internal State politics, demanding updates from the Caldari Navy of all people. As a law enforcement body, they leave much to be desired. Fly Caldari!
DutchGunner Emphebion Emperium 20	Posted - 2013.06.19 05:43:00 - [200] - Quote Miss Scarlet you keep being wrong on this situation. At the start of the siege, a representative from the DED came to check on what was going on and immediately got told by the Caldari Navy it was a Caldari State internal affair. This got confirmed by the representative. Even in the aftermath of the ending of the siege, the Caldari Navy made it very clear that this was still a internal affair. If you must point and blame someone, you would have to look to the CEP and/or Caldari Navy. They were in charge and they did not make the preparations to make sure none of the attackers of the station could escape. While CONCORD and the Yulai convention is getting a lot of hatred, it did allow for over a century of peace between the empires and made it possible for the Capsuleers to become who and what they are. The Yulai convention is there to make sure that there are still regulations in the EvE Universe and there are plenty of means to enforce it. I can't imagine how bad things would be if it wasn't so. Miss Wiseman, the DED wanted updates as the siege was ended. With the updates, it put it assets into motion to help locating the fugutive. As a law enforcement body, you need to know what is happening in order to be able to do your job. The way of communicating could be better, but it is still doing it's best to perform it's duty and it's not faltering.
Brandi Wiseman Den Sorte Loge 59	Posted - 2013.06.19 17:29:00 - [201] - Quote The simple question is this: Did Concord's rules of engagement contribute to Tibus Heth's ability to elude custody in the situation at Haatomo? I think the simple answer is yes. That is unsatisfactory. Fly Caldari!
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 3024	Posted - 2013.06.20 07:46:00 - [202] - Quote I would point out that we don't actually know whether or not Heth was even on that ship. The Templis Dragonaurs are craven cowards at heart. It's perfectly possible the guy who got away was just fleeing for his life. Unfortunately, like with a lot of things in New Eden, we'll just have to wait and see. Mane 614

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.